Wow really impressed with the commentary mentioning Seth in Bron’s entrance really cool.
@wozthescott2804 Жыл бұрын
Same
@MrCreepyBoss Жыл бұрын
Really wish we got a new Curb Stomp animation.
@tylercloutier4874 Жыл бұрын
we got a new animation for the forearm to the back of the head but unfortunately no new curb stomp, wish we would’ve got a new animation for the F-5 aswell but who know it might come with the Lesnar from the retro pack
@IASP17 Жыл бұрын
@@tylercloutier4874 yeah I want a new F5 animation too. faster one.
@infinite-sadness Жыл бұрын
@@IASP17 i want a new version of the release F-5 from the ps2 games
@stevobangz Жыл бұрын
My thing is; this year is about John Cena yet we’re not getting a new attitude adjustment animation
@tylercloutier4874 Жыл бұрын
@@IASP17 Yeah and keep in mind, we’re also getting a 2014 Lesnar too so never know
@srihariharan2331 Жыл бұрын
At 4:16 there a child popping in the audience for no reason 😂above the raw logo
@geomarloduran1370 Жыл бұрын
That new turnbuckle curb stomp looks beautiful
@DoggyDisk Жыл бұрын
It’s funny how getting straight up out of a pin after a finish was a big bug in 2k20 and now it’s a feature.
@shweeniemccocko2177 Жыл бұрын
It’s a beta game. And you can adjust that in sliders
@battousaithekingslayer9913 Жыл бұрын
@@shweeniemccocko2177excuses bruh, this damn near the full game quit meat riding
@shweeniemccocko2177 Жыл бұрын
@@battousaithekingslayer9913 Dude, sliders
@ILoveMyBeard001 Жыл бұрын
@@shweeniemccocko2177 which slider can do that ?
@shweeniemccocko2177 Жыл бұрын
@@ILoveMyBeard001 Recovery I think
@thegamingbastard3058 Жыл бұрын
Could've done much more in 1 year of development tbh
@shweeniemccocko2177 Жыл бұрын
They did. They only added a few things to the gameplay, but outside of gameplay there’s a lot of things different from 22
@thegamingbastard3058 Жыл бұрын
@@shweeniemccocko2177 it's 2k22 with wargames and a couple of new wrestlers
@shweeniemccocko2177 Жыл бұрын
@@thegamingbastard3058 It you truly think that, you’re either blind or ignorant
@thegamingbastard3058 Жыл бұрын
@@shweeniemccocko2177 thanks mate
@capcha818 Жыл бұрын
I like the curb stomp Rollins does from off the middle rope. It looks awesome. I know 2k didn't add a new animation for Seth Rollins curb stomp, but I still think it looks sick when he does it off the middle rope onto the opponents head.
@toomuchsauce2841 Жыл бұрын
@@blythe1599 bro cant read
@thexboxcriminal360 Жыл бұрын
@@blythe1599 wwe2k23
@polishingplatinums Жыл бұрын
@@toomuchsauce2841 LMFAO fr
@ComXDude Жыл бұрын
It may not be a new animation, but at least they retimed it this year; it was one of the worst-looking keyframe animations in 2k20 (and that's saying a lot), and they didn't really fix it in 2k22.
@KartiMarti Жыл бұрын
It’s one of the irreversible moves people use online too 😂
@ratedrgamer1480 Жыл бұрын
We need a new reversal for that Seth Rollins curb stomp 😢 Everybody can’t just be hiting the RKO
@KM-lc6hj Жыл бұрын
I remember It used to be on omg for Randy Orton only
@ratedrgamer1480 Жыл бұрын
@@KM-lc6hj yeah 👍
@ratedrgamer1480 Жыл бұрын
@@KM-lc6hj and they should add a new Seth Rollins curb stomp so we can’t stop using that one I really hate that move I’m glad they added Roman reigns updated finisher the corner spear
@2shea671 Жыл бұрын
Yeah they need a corner curb stomp where he holds the ropes and a running one that you could do like a charge finisher where they get up into position for you to hit it but at the same time it could be hit from any angle or part of the ring so you don’t always have to do a generic walk to the side of your opponents body
@ratedrgamer1480 Жыл бұрын
@@2shea671 THANK YOU I’m glad you know it 👍
@Fkgucci Жыл бұрын
It literally the same game 😭
@gtaemw2384 Жыл бұрын
Game looks smoother animations looking nicer
@EXDiamondDogs Жыл бұрын
Nothing major but, I do wish we have the opponent in the ring during the winning celebration.
@lorenzopastorelli1114 Жыл бұрын
Naw, that would make breakouts so much harder!
@martinmartinez3860 Жыл бұрын
@@lorenzopastorelli1114 how would that make breakouts harder? And even if it did, so what?
@CatchAbreak01 Жыл бұрын
@@lorenzopastorelli1114bro what 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
@ozzievamp Жыл бұрын
Just wondering if there is any improvement to the bleeding in the game?
@DAMColten Жыл бұрын
Loved that commentary was talking about Seth Rollins during Bron Breakker’s entrance. Not sure why Breakker’s theme played but Rollins’ did not
@TylerJosephSmith Жыл бұрын
We NEED a new Stomp animation.
@josephbirwari9007 Жыл бұрын
Corner curb stomp animation would be great
@dr.loomis4221 Жыл бұрын
You want effort put into the development of this videogame? Yea, they don't do that at 2K
@josephbirwari9007 Жыл бұрын
@@dr.loomis4221 unfortunately they don’t, they will probably add that next year so people can still buy the game
@user-fp1vy6vy9w Жыл бұрын
@@josephbirwari9007 Yep because of they lazy
@brandonrice1124 Жыл бұрын
@@dr.loomis4221 Yep copy and paste every year bianca still has that lame K.O.D too.I want hand drawn animations back the times when you did a finisher it looked like a death sentence the good ol'days of HCTP or SSYM I would just like a remaster of those games would be great.
@EliteEasyE Жыл бұрын
Canned stalling vertical suplexes don't impress me I prefer it AKI Style
@IXSymbioticxTrevXI2019 Жыл бұрын
That curb stomp from the second turnbuckle was sick !
@AGT-WrestlingGames Жыл бұрын
Sick since 2k20 dlc pack
@WrestlingIsReal649 Жыл бұрын
Curb stomp form the middle rope looks fire 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@sergioperez09 Жыл бұрын
I used it as his finisher for 2k22
@THEREALTJP Жыл бұрын
I wonder if the draft returns for Universe Mode
@coreydx8602 Жыл бұрын
I hope they fixed after match replays
@EliteEasyE Жыл бұрын
Damn his singlet straps look good they're not painted on
@luciousecarter8550 Жыл бұрын
The same commentary for Rollins in 2k22? "oh no"!!! SMH
@NakamuraVs Жыл бұрын
I don't really see any difference from the last part (2k22) of this game .
@TheSUPERWIND2023 Жыл бұрын
Again, why is there frame drops during the camera angle cuts?
@tsnhd Жыл бұрын
Rollins entrance motion kinda sucks it feels too slow and robotic. Rollins is way more energetic
@mattlee8649 Жыл бұрын
Its just the same ish from last year but with minor tweaks
@connergaskell1909 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait play as bron
@theallfather5745 Жыл бұрын
Hope they take out the instant recovery no sell bullshit.
@shweeniemccocko2177 Жыл бұрын
Bro just don’t use it
@JJMILL50 Жыл бұрын
They need a new stomp for Rollins. His current one is so bad he never jumps that high.
@kadharefinley224 Жыл бұрын
I know it’s not new but I absolutely love the corner Curb Stomp it’s super brutal 🔥
@joeri0409 Жыл бұрын
Still should add a new Curb Stomp🔥
@ChrisMS0815 Жыл бұрын
Looks like it got reanimated too, it looks better than before.
@rehanahmed6460 Жыл бұрын
BRON BREAKKER LOOKS REALLY GOOD 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@ronthaflippa7830 Жыл бұрын
7:17 ay 2k wtf is that how did buddy get back up like he never got hit with a finisher
@Novakk2 Жыл бұрын
+1
@hypn0298 Жыл бұрын
Ikr one of the few things the post-2K14 games did right about the gameplay is now gone again
@resilience89 Жыл бұрын
Not only that. A fighter misses a super high risk dive from the top of the cage and just pops back up like, very unrealistic yet they say they are focusing on realistic...scam
@dannyniland2927 Жыл бұрын
Just the same stuff from last year. I'll stick to 2k22 till 23 is on sale. Its not blown me away like last year. From what I've seen 2k23 is just a update.
@OneWingedCage Жыл бұрын
Did they get rid of match rating?
@NothingButLol Жыл бұрын
Why does it play Bron's theme but not Seth's??
@lukasg2786 Жыл бұрын
They gotta fix those 30fps cutscenes and moves
@domenicolongobardi9300 Жыл бұрын
Good Stomp
@heelgill Жыл бұрын
6:33 Wow.
@heelgill Жыл бұрын
Why does it seem like gameplay is more flexible now? Not sure if that's a combo or something, but the way Bron Breakker flopped and kinda ragdoll puzzled me .
@ronthaflippa7830 Жыл бұрын
@@heelgill you know that animation is in 2k22 right?
@heelgill Жыл бұрын
@@ronthaflippa7830 I never played WWE 2K22, so go figure, haha.
@mawarofficial7 Жыл бұрын
nice
@danielcahill1742 Жыл бұрын
Bron Breakker looks small as hell.
@48hourrecordsteam45 Жыл бұрын
That’s does not sound like a crowd.!! It sounds like 10 people in a room with a tv playing on the background
@GTCrunch Жыл бұрын
Idk, kinda looks like the same game but with the stuff they missed last year. Kinda worried things are gonna go back to status quo. I mean... can we seriously get different pin animations? Depending on the superstar or weight? Can we have a little more fluid motions? The simulation style of game play is starting to look robotic.
@jaytremendez4551 Жыл бұрын
It’s 2K. Don’t ever get your hopes up with them
@battousaithekingslayer9913 Жыл бұрын
Since they restarted, its going to be like this for years. Best bet is to get the game every two years because a yearly release is trash
@thtboyjosh_ Жыл бұрын
Why do y’all keep saying this .like what else is it suppose to look like ?
@filmgeekstudios4393 Жыл бұрын
I saw new pins in this very match, they made the animations way smoother than last year, I don't get what you're wanting.
@Omar-259 Жыл бұрын
This will be the last 2k game for old gen that's the reason why it don't look much different
@frankejk Жыл бұрын
UI-wide i think splittting the finisher bar into 3 was a bad choice as it just looks worse and slower, also i'd have preferred if the stamina bar was at the bottom with the rest
@lowkybeatz8013 Жыл бұрын
They need to work on referee movement, it’s ridiculous like a statue standing most of the time.
@kayskreed Жыл бұрын
I liked the gameplay in 2K19 the most. It wasn't perfect, but fine enough. I wished they used their time to actually overhaul other modes, bring back create a story and interactive backstages, missing match types, more creation slots, etc. It is what it is.
@EliteEasyE Жыл бұрын
I thought it was a little slow and over contrived at times. Sped up with a little more freedom would be better. It's a game, it should feel like one.
@angelserrano9049 Жыл бұрын
They heard us say we wanted wargames, they heard us say we wanted universe mode to be run from a different engine. They heard us say we want double championship entrances, they heard us say we wanted advanced entrances, they said they upgraded every mode, we now have fatigue behavior to make it feel more sim, we got Brian Williams back in development, etc. and they still haven’t even told us everything yet. So far so good 👍🏼👍🏼🔥🔥
@battousaithekingslayer9913 Жыл бұрын
@@angelserrano9049half the shit you named was in 2019 so its not a flex when you state them. Only thing new is war games
@cerebralabulkasem9881 Жыл бұрын
@@angelserrano9049 Exactly, thank you, I swear to god ppl are bloody ungrateful
@angelserrano9049 Жыл бұрын
@@battousaithekingslayer9913 I know some of it was already there, but the point is that it’s returning with other new aspects…. you guys cry about the same shit every year and still buy it and still play it while being angry at the world😂 just don’t buy it then…it’s that simple.
@BillFinger27 Жыл бұрын
I wish we can have that four-choice feature at the start of an SvR game I played before (I cannot recall) 1. Do nothing (the 2K way) 2. Staredown (press a quicktime-button to surprise punch your opponent; the opponent will take a back bump.) 3. Test of Strength (ala Hulk Hogan vs Ultimate Warrior in Wrestlemania VI) 4. Lock Up (Not sure if this is the 4th one, but it is kinda like Chain Wrestling)
@shweeniemccocko2177 Жыл бұрын
That’d be sick
@martinmartinez3860 Жыл бұрын
yeah wish man
@mitchumman8000 Жыл бұрын
I love the way it looks. I wish they sold moves though. I prefer a sim. Not an arcade style match where it looks like aew. All moves, no selling, pop up after brutal finishers then suddenly end.
@shweeniemccocko2177 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but thankfully you can apparently change stuff like that with the sliders this year.
@Colt__the__Bolt Жыл бұрын
My biggest complaint about 2k22 is the controls they should have kept the controls from 2k19 or even 2k20 nothing was wrong with them there were things that needed to change but not the controls if they don't revert back to the old controls and get rid of the combos and block features then i probably won't buy it we don't need combos or blocks in a Wrestling game if you want that in a game go play some of the popular side scroll fighting games leave the wrestling games alone. The speed of the game is fine and unlimited reversals that's great and i would enjoy the game more if the controls get changed back and probabaly change the pin style back to the B button it's awkward having to use the Joystick to Pin someone. If they combined the Graphics and modes of 2k22 and the detailed features of 2k19 with there control scheme i think it would be the best wrestling 2k game I'm hoping 2k23 might be it.
@jgonzaga23 Жыл бұрын
Pretty much same as 2k22 except the war games addition.
@animal1nstinct394 Жыл бұрын
Bron Breakker looks incredible. Can we see Jinder?
@Sammy.Bear.King1234 Жыл бұрын
Love the graphics for Seth and bron amazing match. Thanks for showing us this match. Smacktalks
@Mr.Black2000 Жыл бұрын
Looks good apart from the fact that when they kick out of a pin straight after a finisher they stand right up again straight away
@NothingButLol Жыл бұрын
U can change that in each character's settings with sliders
@hypn0298 Жыл бұрын
@@NothingButLol by default though NOBODY should be getting up after that.
@QuenTeHein Жыл бұрын
@@hypn0298 yeah, it's so lazy you need to edit something that producers have to do
@Red_dead_Redemption_4_Life Жыл бұрын
@@NothingButLol how to do that
@EternallyEve Жыл бұрын
@@Red_dead_Redemption_4_Life The game isn't even out yet
@IASP17 Жыл бұрын
did they finally fix how those belts fit on wrestlers? that one looks tight on Bron. not floating around him.
@boefromn.f.l.204 Жыл бұрын
Yea I noticed that too. I think they did.
@IASP17 Жыл бұрын
@@boefromn.f.l.204 lets fn hope so. that should have never been a problem in the first place.
@russports99 Жыл бұрын
I think it’s because he have a championship entrance animation, aka you see him grabbing the belt and all of that..
@tylercloutier4874 Жыл бұрын
I really hope we get Special Guest Referee next year
@DaRealestNig Жыл бұрын
And I Quit Match
@cjbrown8683 Жыл бұрын
They say it in the game
@thexboxcriminal360 Жыл бұрын
@@DaRealestNig That could be next year that can be next year they said in the interview it could be a possible chance but it Hass to be next year not this year but next year
@dr.loomis4221 Жыл бұрын
@@thexboxcriminal360 So next year? Not this year? They might do it next year? but not this year? Most likely next year?
@khyhhg8206 Жыл бұрын
@@cjbrown8683 you lying
@rondariusjohnson3037 Жыл бұрын
I don’t see the grade hud so I’m guessing that’s either off or maybe it’s because it’s just a regular exhibition match that it is not showing. If it’s not in this game, I’m so happy about that.
@slipknuts Жыл бұрын
I fucking hated that grade hud.
@rondariusjohnson3037 Жыл бұрын
@@slipknuts same!!!!
@animal1nstinct394 Жыл бұрын
And the ugly stunned meter needs to go or atleast don't show it for all players just you
@slipknuts Жыл бұрын
@@animal1nstinct394 yeah man, I got used to playing with the hud all off. way more immersive.
@animal1nstinct394 Жыл бұрын
@scuba steve they don't allow you to remove it online in 2k22 Hopefully it's not going to be like that now
@fnafvsjaws6the6thonewrestl93 Жыл бұрын
Why is some of Seth's commentary the same as it was in 2K22?
@LEGION_0726 Жыл бұрын
They don’t have the light up curtain in the background of the stage😢
@thexboxcriminal360 Жыл бұрын
What that 🤔
@Glau-T-900 Жыл бұрын
They were to lazy to add it 🤦♂️
@hypn0298 Жыл бұрын
7:18, that is soooo stupid you shouldn’t be getting up so fast after kicking out of a finisher
@alexfarrell3250 Жыл бұрын
Gameplay is essentially the same as last year's game. I thought it was funny Bron basically no sold the stomp.
@hypn0298 Жыл бұрын
And Seth got up immediately after kicking out of Bron’s finisher. 7:18
@Nomad416 Жыл бұрын
That stalling suplex that Bron used was a move cut from 2K22. Hope that means more cut moves are added back.
@WeBarelySober Жыл бұрын
The Lashley one where he walks in a circle before dropping them? That was already in 22. Its Stalling Suplex 2 that was cut I believe.
@vicplaza6485 Жыл бұрын
Look the same last year guarantee tag team match are going to be broken That why there no tag team game play
@stevemorris3866 Жыл бұрын
I didn't even hear Seth's music, all I heard was the crowd boo him and the commentators, and I was really hoping FINALLY they would incorporate the champion that wins the match actually celebrate with his title in a non title match, but once again doesn't happen, and at this point I don't think it ever will, I'm not sure how to request to them for things like this
@thechosenj163 Жыл бұрын
Why Seth Rollins music wasn’t playing
@CryNoM0 Жыл бұрын
Copyright
@thechosenj163 Жыл бұрын
Oh ok I thought so
@thechosenj163 Жыл бұрын
Are you ready for this game
@Domepeezy Жыл бұрын
Why is his name not Bron steiner?
@datjacksonguy1224 Жыл бұрын
✋1…✋2…. Saxton: I can’t believe the ref didn’t even get to 1. Like what?!?! I’ll let it slide because the game isn’t out yet but if that’s in there after release 🤦♂️.
@riosmith8548 Жыл бұрын
Corey is the only one who sounds like hes actually watching a match and not reading a script
@Andre-ol6iu Жыл бұрын
can you confirm if oblivion is set as her finisher this year
@skyfrederick6243 Жыл бұрын
I swear Seth had different commentary the first time they released his entrance a couple weeks ago
@ILoveMyBeard001 Жыл бұрын
i tink they have 2 or 3 different commentarys for some entrances
@bigrelly2001 Жыл бұрын
Same O b.s
@adampizarro2954 Жыл бұрын
That stomp was brutal
@teamshades9022 Жыл бұрын
I wish someone would do bron breakkers signature no one has done it yet
@thexboxcriminal360 Жыл бұрын
I 100% like to kick out it almost looks like the kick out of WWE Snackdown Vs Raw 2010 that reminds me of the kick out and to be honest that’s what they got it from🤓🤔
@Megastar_Tye Жыл бұрын
Get ready for lag switch for online
@z0m813 Жыл бұрын
Why does Bron breakker look like a cruiserweight
@anthonywrasslin Жыл бұрын
I mean, he is kinda short 😅 he is not like his uncle Scott Steiner
@mattlee8649 Жыл бұрын
@@anthonywrasslin even though he’s short hes still supposed to be thicker and have more mass than seth…. But instead he looks thinner than seth.
@anthonywrasslin Жыл бұрын
@@mattlee8649 yea the muscle mass in Bron's model is abit off, gotta agree there
@z0m813 Жыл бұрын
@@anthonywrasslin Bron is 6'0" 230 LBS and Seth is 6'1" 205 LBS Bron should still be bigger in width.
@josephlouis4335 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I wish they update curved stomp for Seth Rollins make it be a pin combination
@cantgetrights6731 Жыл бұрын
Does Bron Breakker’s model look small or is it just me?
@taboy1232 Жыл бұрын
I have a question, how do you do the turnbuckle stomp? Is it a finisher?
@XGamerFPS2164 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@anthonywrasslin Жыл бұрын
The move is called Springboard Blackout and it was also in WWE 2k22
@kennylindsay268 Жыл бұрын
@@anthonywrasslin and 20
@ArtKing187 Жыл бұрын
Where’s his music and I noticed they aren’t singing his song
@kevincorrea6318 Жыл бұрын
Copyright
@capcha818 Жыл бұрын
Bron Breakker's finisher looks really good in this game. Even though his finisher should be switched over to his signature, and then the spear as his finisher. Not sure why 2k didn't add the spear as his finisher. Because that's his finisher on NXT.
@XGamerFPS2164 Жыл бұрын
Are you saying that the move that is his finisher in the game is supposed to be his signature? Or are you saying that in real life he should switch it to his signature and use the spear as his default finisher instead?
@animal1nstinct394 Жыл бұрын
The spear isn't his finisher. It's a signature. His finishers are a press slam and the Steiner Recliner. The spear has never been his finisher despite him winning a few matches with it.
@anthonywrasslin Жыл бұрын
During his first half of his NXT career the Military Press into a Powerslam has been his finisher
@ILoveMyBeard001 Жыл бұрын
its not like you can change moves in the game :D
@capcha818 Жыл бұрын
@@animal1nstinct394 Sorry, you are totally right, the spear is his signature while the press slam is his finisher. I was tripping.
@hunterjg777 Жыл бұрын
Looks a bit cartoony in terms of colours. Notice the aliasing too and the 30FPS action camera? 22 looked good but it's a shame they didn't improve the graphics any.
@Albert_YTC Жыл бұрын
Everyone: wow middle rope curb stomp is so cool Me who has had it as his finisher for the past 2 games: 😏
@chrisscott5561 Жыл бұрын
This game has just been getting the Madden treatment for years now. Give me a simple system and more arcade type effects like HCTP over this shit.
@resilience89 Жыл бұрын
Serious cow dung in the name of a game
@Lefuhq3 Жыл бұрын
Now all I need is a corner trouble in paradise, Xavier woods actual finisher, and a better rko.
@nzuzovilakazi901 Жыл бұрын
Isn't Xavier's finisher though? Backwoods?
@JTsavage7577 Жыл бұрын
Are we getting a moves list anytime soon?
@schwiftywizard Жыл бұрын
Creators normally post them the day the game comes out. It’ll be released on March 13th, probably.
@zolphdiggler69 Жыл бұрын
This game is literally a duplicate .. should just drop updates instead of a whole new game
@devinsantiago5357 Жыл бұрын
i think thursday will be legends and free agents of 2k23
@sexystatikk2445 Жыл бұрын
why do the graphics look washed out compared to 2k22? like I really hope this isint the final build of the games graphics Jesus
@walterjohnson1740 Жыл бұрын
I finally seen the new stamina effects being shown when seth roll out the ring and began to walk you could see him lean over while walking
@annualsalt4326 Жыл бұрын
Man, that was awesome
@shweeniemccocko2177 Жыл бұрын
Wait until the games actually out and then y’all can shit on it. Right now we’re still in the stages where we’re getting new info almost every day.
@MonkeBoi66 Жыл бұрын
Seth doesn’t have music? Or it’s just not added yet
@doruionutminea5163 Жыл бұрын
Best game wwe
@Stefan_86 Жыл бұрын
Bron Breakker is to small or is he smaller than Rollins?
@cornnellify Жыл бұрын
Is the combo BS back? That ruined a beautiful game last year
@shweeniemccocko2177 Жыл бұрын
How?
@osujimelville7031 Жыл бұрын
Do commentary is exactly the same
@expert-motive7113 Жыл бұрын
this is not wwe2k23 its 2k22 with mods i think
@michaelfitzgerald5774 Жыл бұрын
Not really impressed yet by the game
@thegongasslayer08 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for This vídeo
@onyxmiller6954 Жыл бұрын
Im not even gone complain because nba 2k do the same to with models they lazy
@malakai.black90 Жыл бұрын
It would be nice to see something on universe mode and myGM as both were poor last year. For now, it just feels like an update to WWE 2K22 and I don't think I'm buying it right away
@thexboxcriminal360 Жыл бұрын
Well universe mode is finally’s going to have sex with WWE
@hypn0298 Жыл бұрын
True, and this is honestly a step back in some ways. Look at 7:18 he got up immediately after kicking out of the finisher