How many of those ram slots are filled? And what ram manufacturer have you gone with for that 3200mhz ram? Would be interested to know timings at 3000mhz and 3200mhz.

@podcasting68 the definitely depends on how you use your computer. If you're looking for something with better multi-core performance. The E5 1650 V3 is a fantastic option. The day-to-day usability of the computer would also feel a little bit more snappy. And for the cost of an E5 1650 V3 it's a good option.

@podcasting68 depends on the game. The 1630 has higher clock speeds than the 1650. But most modern titles take advantage of six cores. So depending on the game it should run better on the 1650 over the 1630. But if you're really going for gaming performance I would recommend going up to the 1650v4. It's got slightly better single-core performance and a higher clock speed out of the box

@podcasting68 but honestly any of those three chips would be pretty decent for gaming. I have an overclocked 1650v 3 in my system. On an MSI motherboard I have that water cooled and overclocked up to 4.7 gigahertz. The thing is stupid fast.

At 4.7GHz your Xeon probably runs alongside Ryzen 3600s all day in performance!

Make sure you install the Intel TBT 3.0 driver if it won't clock up to 4GHz single core! I feel your pain. I used a 2660v3 for a long time, and its ten cores were great for many things...but in gaming it often came up short. Enjoy the new Xeon!

​@@doesitgame Couldn't get Intel Turbo Boost 3.0 to install, it kept saying I have an unsupported CPU. Do you have a tutorial video?

Not at the moment. Head to the Dell website and go to the product support page for the Precision Tower 5810 (the same system I used for this). Under the downloads they have a version of the Intel TBT 3.0 driver that works with v4 Xeons; it's not Dell-specific so it should solve your issue.

Where did you buy, bro?

@@thanhnguyentien3408 Ebay

Have to agree that these older Xeons, even as far back as like Sandy and Ivy Bridge, are going to become the real value play in shoestring-budget gaming specifically because of the way games are becoming parallelized.

Windows 11 says no

Win11 can be backdoored onto systems with these older chips, but it's pretty weak that they aren't officially usable and the ability to use them in *any* capacity could be patched out of Win11 with any update.

@@doesitgame sure, but question is how long will this be possible and whats with future big updates like 23h2 which require hacking again. And yes very dissapointing, they even killed windows 11 x86.

@doesitgame I'm sure it's only for monetary reasons, always is. Also if Windows really wants to lock down their OS further, I might just have to go Linux and use a Windows compatibility layer for games that don't natively run on it.

It's a monster CPU for the price, especially with quad channel RAM! Make sure you install the Intel Turbo Boost 3.0 driver for it, and then toggle the settings as necessary. I don't have it in front of me, but I think you want to toggle on "Foreground App Has Priority" or thereabouts for maximum performance in most games.

@@doesitgame I enabled turbo boost and able to get to 3.8 GHz. Quad channel ram 2400. This cpu is a beast, a great buy imo. I was using an e3-1240v2 so upgrading to ddr4, and 6 cores and 2 million more transistors is a great performance upgrade. Thanks for the video.

Just ordered an hp z440 for $220 with a 1650v4, 32gb ram, 512GB SSD and 700watt psu. I'm going toss my rx 6650xt in it and retire my old trusty i5 2500k system.

@@scupking you are going to love the change major upgrade

@@vipcesh Awesome! I can't wait. Crazy that I got it for $220. Any tips I should know about the z440 and 1650v4?

now you need a Z motherboard to be able to OC and guess how much is a used Z board instead of a "new" chinese x99 mobo? and v4 xeons cant be oc'd - Bruh i dont know i7 6900k is an x99 cpu too i thought it was an LGA1151 cpu mb

I actually did throw it on a proper X99 board and OC’d it - it struggled to do more than 4.2GHz, and wouldn’t hold RAM speeds over 2800MT/s. And while it was better than here, it got pretty well demolished by a less expensive Erying ES setup; there are also 10600KF or Ryzen 5000 combos that are, for most of the world, similarly priced to X99 + 6900K and will also run laps around it. So while it got better, it still isn’t a great value proposition in 2024. Especially when the 5960X is like 1/3 the price on the same platform and can usually be OC’d to or past the 6900K.

For most gaming scenarios it’d be a sizable upgrade to go to the 1650 v4. It does give up some L3 cache, but with the way the CPU is designed you’ll really never notice.

Massively defeats the value proposition, though. A Dell or HP full system with 1650v4, RAM, PSU, cooler, and chassis fans can be had for like $150. In contrast, even a midrange secondhand board worth trying to overclock on will run you over $100. Plus $120+ for the CPU and you've already exceeded the cost of not only a repurposed workstation, but also an Erying Tiger Lake i9 combo that will toast a 4.5GHz 6900K.

@@doesitgame some of the AliExpress x99 boards can overclock, and can be had for $60-75 when they're on sale

Both positions have merrit

@@doesitgame I think at having it in to see how much difference it could make and if it is worth looking for a retail board instead of an OEM system. Even if the result is that it isn't worth it.

Check the recent uploads. I bought a retail board, OC'd it, and ran it against a much cheaper combo available new.

That is an absolute monster value combo.

You could go with a HP Z440 workstation. Comes with case, motherboard, heatsink, powersupply, etc. for about $130. This is my current go-to budget system. Pair it with E5-1650v4 or if you want more cores E5-2690v4 or E5-2697v4.

Z440s or Dell T5810s are awesome systems at their current pricing. As is one I've got queued up for a "console killer" video coming soon!

@@doesitgame Someone just swiped a job lot of T5810s on eBay that I was bidding on. They paid £110 ($140) per system. Not a total bargain but still a pretty monster deal.

2400mhz ram @@doesitgame

You are 100% correct for users who have retail X99 boards. I probably should've made it clearer that this comparison was ONLY for the specific case of trying to maximize value by using a secondhand workstation. In North America (where I'm recording) a secondhand retail X99 board costs as much by itself as a decent X99/C612 workstation from HP or Dell. In fact, at the time of writing, an HP Z440 can be had with a 1650v4 and 32GB of RAM for just a little bit more than the price of a bare 6900K. The v3 Xeons are also amazing chips, and I'll have a (stock clock) video up about some of them for a $20 CPU series I'm cutting together right now!

​@@doesitgame oh well that's another history the price of a decent board X99 is, in fact, expensive, so yeah, unless you have the board already and you are looking for a cpu or you grab a board at a decent price, the xeon will be a better value I guess, but you also have the advantage of more pcie lanes, much more features (USB ports, better VRM cooling, etc) better board overall, so I guess it depends on the needs and the goal, but the value that a 6900K or 5960x provided if you overclock the hell out of it and pair it with a good bdie kit, it's insane. thanks for the channel you got a new subscriber ;)

@@doesitgame im putting a 1650v4 in a z640. thank you for this video.

​@@doesitgameI have a z440 with those exact specs 😂

@@Ramble1234 It is! Depends on the air cooler and how much you like ramping the fans. 4.2 shouldn’t be any issue with even a midrange cooler; I got a (less efficient) 1650v2 to 4.2 all-core on a Dell Precision factory cooler lol

@@doesitgame sickk. That is some high frequency for such an old CPU. I looked up benchmarks on cpu-z, and apparently it has similar single core performance to an i5-10400? Probably more with an OC. Idk how true this is, but that's insane.

Please dont

It'll depend somewhat on the game, largely because each one has a different amount of L3 cache. In games that aren't as cache dependent the 1650v4 and 1660v4 outpace the 2667v4 because the former have higher per-core clocks; in games that really hit the cache, the 25MB on the 2667v4 can put it ahead of the 1660v4 (20MB) and 1650v4 (15MB). If I were buying one right now I'd just pick the 1660v4 and call it a day. It's the middle of the road for clocks and cache.

which one for pubg@@doesitgame

This is the way. Or just 5960X now that those are cheap.

​@@doesitgameI scored a 1650v3 for $8

@Ramble1234 that’s awesome! How’s it working out?

@@doesitgame I OCed it to 4.2ghz and the ram to 2999mhz on a gigabyte x99 board!

Ha funny you should mention the Broadwell OC ceiling -- I just revisited the 6900K to discuss it being a waste of money even when overclocked, and hours of tweaking settings still failed to get it over 4.2GHz all core. Or 2800MT/s on the RAM. No amount of changing RAM kits, or coolers, or voltages, multipliers, bclk...nothing would get more out. The whole point of this video was supposed to be that the best way to use Broadwell for some budget gaming is to grab one of the fast and cheap (now even cheaper!) Xeons, toss it in an old workstation, and be off to the races...and it looks like we're kind of on the same page there! Then the video took off, lots of comments shouted at me "bUt TeH oVeRcLoCkz!" so I followed up; my conclusion remains the same. Broadwell gaming is best served in old, cheap workstations or not at all, and trying to buy into it as a serious OCing platform these days is money better used on newer hardware! I maaaay have been planning to beat the dead horse with a 5960X showcase vs the 6900K lol

Working on pt.1 of a $20 CPU series, but I'll try to sneak that in!

I can confirm i have 1650 v4 paired with rx 5700 xt and 32 ddr4 2133 and ssd 700w psu and it can run any game no probleme 1080p or 1440p

You absolutely can...on retail boards. This channel is almost solely about getting maximum value in gaming hardware, and in the case of Haswell/Broadwell (i.e. X99) by *far* the most value is extracted by dropping the top tier CPUs into secondhand workstations rather than by doing a DIY build with a retail board -- a complete Broadwell workstation like a T5810 or Z440 can be had for about the price of an Asus Rampage X99 board -- which means that things like XMP and CPU overclocking will almost never be officially supported. It's a tradeoff, for sure, but if you're on a tight budget the $250 full system beats the $230 mobo-and-CPU combo only. If you have a retail X99 board already, have at it. But if you don't have the board already, don't go out of your way to buy a 6900K; it's a CPU that doesn't make a ton of sense on a workstation (as in this video) and makes even less sense to do a full custom build around these days if you don't already have the platform to start. There's an upcoming video on exactly that last point. Side note: There's a Short posted where the 6900K was retested with 2400MT/s ECC RDIMMs and it does see a performance uplift. And yes, it boots ECC memory, because it's literally just a facelifted 1660v4.

No idea 🤷‍♂️

On a retail board, sure, but those are still $100-350, at which point you're in the realm of newer, faster combinations as well. They are certainly great Xeons, though, as long as you can find a suitable value proposition for them. For a workstation conversion, the value proposition is better, but overclocking comes down to XTU support then, and it's hit or miss. V4 Xeons also have native 2400MT/s memory support while V3 only natively supports 2133.

@@doesitgame Yeah, I get that. I upgraded from 5820k to 1680 v3 recently and that an easy choice. I was running the 5820k at 4.4Ghz and I was able to get the 1680 v3 to 4.3 no problem. I tried 4.4 on the 1680 but it wasn't stable, ran too hot. I'm running air with a noctua D15 and Asrock x99 Taichi MB. I had no problem running the RAM at 2400. I didn't even have to change anything after the swap from the 5820K.

Definitely. If you look at even just Passmark scores, the i7-3770 scores a little over 2000pts on average in single thread, and a shade under 6400pts in multi thread; the 1650v4 scores just under 2400pts single thread, and almost 11500 for multi thread. Plus the enormous bump in L3 cache and the advantage of four memory channels should see any of these Broadwell Xeons handily improve on a 3770.

@@doesitgame Thank you for answering, very much appreciated! If I can find a good deal on a suitable motherboard I think I‘m gonna go for this solution. Left a sub by the way… Very interesting content!

​@@contac_optics6257if you have a overclocking board and a 3770 you can oc it to arround 4.1ghz to 4.3ghz

Add a ram oc to that and you will get a significant boost in performance

1660v4 wouldn't be worth it in your case, unless the games you're playing specifically use >6 cores. The 1680v4 might be worth a look, though. The Xeons will work at 3200MT/s as long as your board and DIMMs can stably handle it. My ASRock X99WS is unstable at anything over 2800MT/s.

It will boost slower. Even on single core load only up to 2.6 GHz and on 6 core load to 3.1 GHz All these cores won't help if the game doesn't use them. So it's not about too many cores, but about having them slower.

E5-2696 v3 is a great all rounder imo

So since we are all here talking about it. Which one of these Xeons is best for gaming you guys think? I've installed a few 2650 and 2670 in a few builds. Since I'm a miner I'm partial to the 2699, as for gaming rigs, I'm thinking something with a high clock, and around 8-10 cores.

That's a great question! I can't say for certain (yet), but it's very likely. There's a short up here on the channel where the 6900K gets retested with 2400MHz RDIMMs -- surprise, it boots ECC registered memory! -- and the performance uplift is impressive, showing just how sensitive X99 is to memory bandwidth.

@@doesitgame do you mean that the problem is from the ram ??not the processor?

Sorry for the confusing answer -- I think it is very likely because of the RAM configuration. X99 needs multiple memory channels to work best, especially with the higher core count i7s and Xeons.

Get 3 other 16 gb Stick and run them in quadro channel for a massive 1% low increase

Sadly, no. The Ryzen 5000 series pretty well walks all over these Broadwell chips.

Turbo mod unfortunately doesn't work on any C612 chipset (enterprise counterpart to X99) workstation I've seen to date, although that seems to be more to BIOS lockdown than the chipset. On a cheap AliExpress board that's probably fun, though!

@@doesitgame pretty sure miyconst did a video about a tool that lets you do it on any chipset. i could be wrong though. thanks for the response. always cool to see folks reading their comments.

I will have to check this out! Thanks for the heads up!

@@doesitgame it is called the s3turbotool. and it lets you modify any bios. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f9mXdbRhv7PciY0.html

@@doesitgame kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f9mXdbRhv7PciY0.html

The v4 CPUs *really* want at least 2400MHz RAM, but even so there will be games (Valorant, Doom 64, CSGO before it went down) that won’t fully utilize the 5700XT. What specific games are you having issues with?

@@doesitgame cs2 cyberpunk and few others

I make essentially the same case in the followup video to this. Posted it a month ago. For the price of a 6900K and (used) retail X99 board you can get a 10600KF and Z390, or B550 and 5600X, or an 11900H ES, or any of a dozen other board and chip combos that shred the 6900K. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j8x2Z66Kp5vVnWQ.html

On a retail X99 board, you can overclock them to 2400MHz or higher. If you're using a workstation like a Z440 or T5810, you will need 2400MHz ECC RDIMMs to get 2400MHz.

I cant overlcok on chinese board right@@doesitgame

Depends on the games you play. Most e-sports titles probably won't see a huge uplift in average FPS, but your 1% lows will get better; titles like BeamNG or The Finals, things with lots of physics calculations needed, will see significant gains.

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windows 10 is till good for everthing

Sure do! Any retail X99 board for sure, though it may require a BIOS update for full Broadwell support. Most Chinese X99 motherboards off AliExpress expressly support it as well, though you'll want to get one with actively cooled VRMs. And the boards from the Dell Precision T5810 (proprietary) and HP Z440 (modified ATX, pseudo-proprietary) will also support it with relevant BIOS updates.

That would be a huge upgrade! RAM depends on the board. If you have a board that supports memory overclocking, a 4x8GB kit of something like Ballistix 3200CL14 would be fantastic. If your board doesn't support memory overclocking, save a heap of money and get like a 4x8GB (or 4x16GB to flex) kit of Samsung 2400 RDIMMs.

@@doesitgame Ordered a z440 for $220. Comes with 1650v4, 32gb ram, 700 watt psu and 512gb ssd! I will put my current Rx 6650 xt in it and 2 more ssds!

Great machine! Those also support PCIe bifurcation, so you can use like an Asus Hyper M.2 and use 4 M.2 NVMe drives on a single PCIe x16 slot. With software RAID you can get them to read over 5.5GB/s even though the slot is only PCIe 3.0.

@@doesitgame That’s fantastic! Dose that second PCIe share lanes with the other PCIe x16. I wouldn’t want it to take away performance from my gpu. Also can I boot from the m.2? I have heard some people say they have issues booting from them. I also thought for some reason the hp - z turbo drive was the only adapter supported.

It's the only one officially supported, but both Asus and EZ-DIY risers work just fine. It will boot NVMe drives off a riser just fine as long as you're using the UEFI boot selection in the BIOS. The Z400 and Z420 don't support it (without help from Clover) but the Z440 natively does.

Awesome thank you!

I actually do know! I had to deal with the same issue before making my follow-up to this video! Haswell and Broadwell got a Microsoft-issued patch to prevent one of the hardware exploits from working, but it also prevents the chips from clocking up all the way. The remedy is to rename the DLL patch in your system32 folder to disable it. I'll see if I can find a video walkthrough and link to it.

@@doesitgame Thank you very much

@@Cybernet.channelTry this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y9ijmJuX1N7YlZc.htmlsi=2pV1bFwTg8aFt7Zd

Thanks for the help@@doesitgame

you can use throttle stop to overclock it

Or XTU. But it needs to be a specific version of XTU; the exact version is listed in the description or comments of my (very old, very bad) overclocking Dell Precision video.

And no, I wouldn’t replace a 1680v3. As @amdintelxsniperx says, just OC it. The IPC difference between Haswell (v3) and Broadwell (v4) is small enough that a slight OC covers the gap and then some; the only advantage v4 would have is memory bandwidth, as it supports 2400MT/s instead of 2133.

@@doesitgame as far as ive been able to test i can never get xtu to work on these workstations

XTU 7.4.1.3 is IIRC the last version to support the v2/v3 Xeons And even then there’s some BIOS limits and Intel DLL chicanery - as a result of the Plundervolt exploit - put in place to make it more difficult than it should be.

Oooh that's a tough call, and depends heavily on what you had for board and RAM vs what you got for board and RAM. If you had the 1680v2 in a Dell or AliExpress X79 machine and were limited to (mostly) stock clocks and DDR3-1866, the 1650v4 will be a sizable upgrade in most respects. If, instead, you had like an Asus Rampage X79 and were running the 1680v2 at 4.5GHz all core, with DDR3-2133 or -2400, then the 1650v4 may often be a move sideways rather than up. ...unless you got an X99 board like the ASRock X99-WS, which supports both bclk overclocking of ALL chips *and* sports Multicore Enhancement. In that case you can run the 1650v4 at like 105-110 bclk, with quad channel DDR4-3200CL16, and it will wipe the floor with an overclocked 1680v2 in most cases. I say "most" because even though the 1650v4 has an advantage in IPC and instruction sets and memory bandwidth, the 1680v2 still has 67% more L3 cache, and that party trick of the Ivy Bridge Xeon occasionally shows up in games.

@doesitgame thanks for the response! I thought all V4 Xeons were locked. You're telling me this specific board will allow even the V4 Xeon's to overclock?

All v4 Xeons are locked, correct. But Multicore Enhancement overrides the per-core multipliers to run the CPU at full clock all the time, and bclk (base clock) overclocking lets even multiplier locked chips overclock the same way X58 did. Changing the bclk from 100 to 105 gets you a 5% overclock on *everything*, not just the CPU frequency but also your cache, RAM, and PCIe speeds as well. Naturally stability issues pop up sooner than with multiplier OC, but you can often get the same performance at lower nominal clock speeds. Officially bclk overclocking ended with Westmere-EP, but some board partners like Asus and ASRock extended it through X79 and X99 on a small number of their boards. Conveniently, I just got an X99-WS and have it hooked up to the capture card right now! Have to revisit the 6900K lol

Technically, yes, if you're very skilled. The IHS is soldered, though, so it is *extremely* risky.

That's a great question, and one I'll try to answer in a video I've got in the works right now.

@@doesitgame thank you very much , because i gonna buy 1 e5 1650 v4 to play valorant and csgo or some esport games 😄😄

2689 v4 is a very close stand-in. 10c/20t w/ 3.1GHz base and 3.8GHz turbo (vs. 3.0/4.0) QS models are ~$50, production ones are ~$150.

@@doesitgame Cool thanks.

@@doesitgame Just bought one QS off Ebay lol. Does QS have any obvious flaw like the 12th gen which completely cut off PCIE x16?

Not that I know of, but it's been years since I used a Broadwell QS. It *should* be fully functional.

Not officially, no, but it has been reported working on several workstations (notably Dell) after a firmware update that made them TPM 2.0 compliant. Users who have installed Win11 have had it running fine for over a year on Broadwell CPUs, but your mileage may vary.

1660v4 for almost all games. Not many games can use the extra cores of 2696v3.

Cancelled my order of 2696v3 on AliExpress 😢 when refund comes will buy 1660v4 now ❤

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​@@doesitgamefor some reason i didnt get a notification for this reply. But yea i get it motherboards for x99 are awful value.

Not on AliExpress ​@@BonusCrook

The 1660v4 makes for some high-margin flips.

I have some v4 Xeons coming up as part of the continuation of a $20 CPU series but hadn't planned on doing anything with the 2690v4 specifically. Might be able to work one in somewhere but no guarantees.

​@@doesitgameThx. What processor do you advise as an upgrade to 5820k? 2690v4, 2667v4, 5960x ? Or some other processor?

There are other videos on this channel... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j8x2Z66Kp5vVnWQ.html And no, it reinforced my belief that the 6900K is an idiotic buy today.

@@doesitgame Yes, I agree not to buy any more x99/x299 stuffs nowadays. There are plenty alternatives better and cheaper. I realized even the best chip from that age runs at 5GHz, it will still loose to a Ryzen 3700x. I have already gotten rid of my most old intel stuff. I was surprised they still sales at good prices.

For gaming? The 1650v4 is well worth the ~$15 extra over the 2670 v3.

I already have system with 2670 in it@@doesitgame

At 4K the RTX 3090 is probably holding back the 6900K.

Depends on your board and cooler. With a good X99 retail board like an Asus Rampage, the 1680v3 can be overclocked past the 1660v4...IF you can keep it cool. The Haswell (v3) Xeons generate a ton of heat when you're pushing them to 4.4GHz or higher. If you're doing it on a budget and putting it into a workstation, like a Dell Precision or HP Z440, just get the 1660v4.

@@doesitgame exactly i was thinking z440 maybe p520 with w-2133 still confused about this cancelled my plan for 2696v3

Probably a waste of time. $10-20 more than the 1660v4, same base clock, lower turbo clock, same 8x32KB/8x256KB L1/L2 cache, and only 5MB more L3 cache. Maybe it'll get looked at if prices fall below $40USD.

Not at 1080 lowest. I think you underestimate the 5700XT; The only times the GPU utilization crept over 90% were in Apex -- where there's a 300fps cap in the engine anyway -- and Horizon Zero Dawn. Coincidentally, those were the titles where the 6900K came within margin of error of the other two. Fortnite sat around 70% utilization, however, and Borderlands 3 was in the mid 60s. CSGO was even less. I might retest the 1660v4 with a 6700XT or 6800 in the future just to validate the numbers, but I seriously doubt the results change meaningfully in any way. It's entirely a memory bandwidth issue for the 6900K here. There was a follow-up short posted, after finding an ancient Reddit post pointing out that the 6900K is so much a Xeon at heart that it boots RDIMMs, and when doing that with 2400MT/s Samsung ECC modules the improved bandwidth puts it atop the performance stack.

Was a cpu bottleneck ( in fort and csgo)

Exactly. At lowest settings the 5700XT easily outpaces what these Broadwell chips can do. I still have the 6700XT but am waiting on a replacement X99 board to be able to validate these results with a more powerful GPU but I’ll be amazed it they change by more than a percent in any direction.

for ps3 emulation youre far better getting a 11th/12th gen i3, haswell cpus lack the avx512 extension that makes the emulator run at good speeds. for emulating switch and below theyre more than capable enough

@@completelyretarded why buying cheap cpus when i can just get more money and buy a last gen cpu. thanks for the tip.