you won't see it, we are friends in real life. I'm not attacking Glen at all here, just offering a more cost effective option to the same problem

@@belligerentamateur I know. It's tongue in cheek. I've learned a lot from him in my own search for tone.

Glenn is a dork.

​@@belligerentamateur Not an attack, but a heavily passionate debate would be fun to hear.

@@beefnacos6258 and a Giant nerd, so he uses Scientific Method while testing shit in his Evangelion Cosplay outfit 😅 Kyle is right about the cost- benefit ratio, buy a cheap cab if need be, but just trade it in or sell it and save for a nice cab already loaded with Higher quality speakers.

This 100%

💩 Thank you for saying what I was gonna say! They are discussing 2 entirely different issues. One is about bang for the buck monetarily and Glen is talking bang for the buck tonally. Art vs commerce. And if your tone is trash (or you just not happy with it) then you will end up having to spend money, Glens trying to get you to spend less over all by not chasing tone wood, pups, amp styles when that doesn't offer much in the way of tonal changes

100% right, he is talking about money and Glen is talking about tone. Most of us don't buy gear with resale in mind, if I buy a guitar or amp it's because I want to keep it.... If I sell it it's because I really did not like it or am super strapped for cash.... I still have my first electric guitar I bought about 30 years ago.... Swapping speakers is like modifying a car...you'll never get the money back...but you might love it more....

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I'd say it's not even a tone vs. value argument. I don't think Kyle came even close to saying that some speakers don't sound better than others, rather that you're better off money-wise just buying a better cabinet than replacing speakers in a cheap cabinet, especially as the number of speakers in the cabinet increases. Now, there's a case to be made for something like buying a stereo 4x12 and putting 4 different speakers in it for more recording options, but that's very much an edge case. Most guys buying speaker cabinets aren't doing hardcore home recording.

im 18 seconds into this video and i 100% agree with you

This. I use small lunchbox amp heads, exclusively, and as such have a single 4x12 that I mainly only use for recording. Otherwise, I have a few different open back and closed back 1x12's that I bought as empty unloaded cabs. I know the tones I generally go for, so I know which speakers have that general sound - Seismic Audio Quake12, Celestion G12H-100/G12K-100/Hempback, Mojotone Greyhound, Eminence Swamp Thang/Cannabis Rex/Guit-Fiddle, so basically all the dark speakers with a rounded off top end, because I go for extremely bright, mid forward tones, or else Swedish chainsaw. Speakers like that just balance these tones well. I have had the same 3 or 4 favorite overall amp voicings for YEARS (Orange OR/Rocker/Terror/'Verb, 6534+/EVH 5150 III EL34, Peavey XXX/6505+/Invective, Blackstar HT, Laney Ironheart, and vintage Marshall - JTM45, Plexi Superlead, Origin, or JCM800 - with chainsaw tones). The only other amp that's interesting to me outside of my usual suspects might be a Hughes & Kettner Triamp, or a Victory Kracken, because they do multiple tones from my tried and true preferences. My convoluted explanation has the following point: If you know what sound you like, and have a plan - which it's clear you do - then keep doing what you know works for you.

It’s also fun trying out different speakers in a small combo. Much cheaper than trying out different amps and can be as fun as trying out different pedals

@@honkytonkinson9787 using 1x12 and 2x12 cabs with cheap amp heads lets you do both

I have been using two 1x12 Krank cabs for years. I have Eminence Texas Heat 16Ω speakers in them that I use with an Orange OR15, Vox MV50, Peavey Bandit and an Orange 35RT.

I do the same. I use heads and I have a couple of different cabs with differing dimensions loaded with different speakers. I keep the original speakers even if they are crappy and put them back in if I sell the cab. If I decide my good speakers don't suit the next cab, I either start swapping speakers from the other cabs or I trade my good speakers for something else if they don't get me desirable results.

I love this! If you got exactly the cab you wanted, I don't see why you'd want to sell it on. I've got an Eminence speaker waiting for me to build a cab for it.

I have nothing but small branded cabs and unloaded cabs I put speakers into myself, as well.

What is the tone improvement on a behringer 4x12 v30 cab and an English ir Mesa cab usually going to be? I put 2 v30s with the 2 stock fender cheapo speakers I n a beat up cheapo fender cab and for death metal detuned he loves the setup. He uses solid state behringer bass guitar Amps and an MXR fullbore Distortion and he seems to like it.

Or even a rackmount 31 band graphic patched into the effects loop.

Mmmm, true but it doesn’t solve all of it. Different speakers FEEL different too. Some speakers feel kind of soapy, like V30s while T-75s feel very immediate and snappy. An EQ isn’t gonna do that. There’s other characteristics too, but I’m not gonna get into it

I wish there were more parametric eq pedals like the empress one.

@@Rowe4900candymachine I own the their latest Deluxe Para EQ, it's independent gain controls are nice. Source Audio EQ2 Programmable EQ Pedal is ideal for multiple presets though. My fuzz, dist., and HM2 pedals each get their own EQ. Very handy, especially live.

@@user-jq4fz6co8b 100% agree that it will not solve it all, they go a long way though.🤘🤘

I saw a friedman with V30s for 500$. And a bogner 2x12 with v30s for $400. I kinda want the bogner cab just to run amps thru

I think that was the budget cab made to sell at Guitar Center around 1994. I had 2 of em, got em in 1994 at guitar center new for $320 ($299 ea + tax) with tax each. said "list $699" which was bs,lol. I was a teen and liked em but other people say theyre cheap trash. Id LOVE to get my hands on one again to see how I feel now after playing for 33 yrs.

How different is it than the Carvin. I've got a Legacy 412 and it's great

nice

Congrats man.

Nice. But you can get good casters from Home Depot way cheaper than that.

@@theophany1770 Pretty different....but not in a bad way. I have a Legacy 4x12 cab and an Engl 4x12 and I like them both in their own way. The Engl cab is a bit tighter and focused and slightly darker to my ears and the Legacy is more...IDK...in your face. Both have V30s and both built well!

that's great deal wow

Vertical HESU 212 with daemon speakers for $380. Almost new. 😎

A G10 Greenback G10 Creamback or G10 vintage which is a 10 inch vintage 30 . I like the G10 Creamback and G10 vintage the best of the 3 . The G10 Greenback may be too bright with the DSl 5 for some . It's a more expensive option but using a closed back 1 by 12 or 2 by 12 is the better option. The 1 by 12 is fhe most Practical . The issue I had with just using the internal speaker was achieving a balanced tone especially in the low end . With the deep switch engaged there was too much bass and the amp sounded dark dull and boxy . I had to roll the bass completely off and Set the treble at 7 to make it somewhat workable but it was Still too dark and boxy. Any higher than 7 on the treble pot and it got too fizzy. With the deep switch disengaged there was not near enough low end with too much upper mid focus .The tone lacked depth and was rather thin and narrow sounding .It was rather shrill sounding as well . Not really harsh but definitely shrill or tinny . The low end I needed Sat between the 2 . Trying different 10 inch speakers didn't solve it either but did improve the balance to some extent but eventually I started learning about Combo tone VS head/extension cab tone . Closed back VS open back tone and 10 inch VS 12 inch speakers I decided to try using my Combo amps like heads and started experimenting with different cabs as well as speakers I quickly figured out that a closed back cab with a 12 inch speaker was the way to Go. A 1 by 12 closed with a G12 speaker gives a bottun end that sits right in between the deep switch on the deep switch off and makes the lose that boxy tone that afflicts many combos . The DSL 5CR has sounded great with every 12 inch speaker I have tried with . It seems to sound better with G12H speakers than it does with G12M speakers although it does sound great with the G12M Greenbacks and G12M Creambacks but for my tastes the DSL 5CR sounds just a bit better with heavy Maget speakers The V30 pairs well with it and while not considered a G12H it does have a heavy magnet . My personal favorite with the 5CR is the Celestion Heritage G12H30 75hz . I have it in an EVH 1 by 12 . I Replaced the stock G12H Anniversary with the heritage version due to the Anni being a bit too stiff and raspy. It still sounded great with the DSL 5Cr but wasn't my favorite and I didn't like it at all with my other Amps. The Heritage H30 sounds much better . Nice smooth upper mids and Smokey sounding lows . Very 1969/70 Zeppelin sounding . Very much a Zeppelin 2 type of sound . The G12H30 55Hz is another great pairing with the 5CR very open top end with a slight scoop in the upper mids and a spike in the low mids with a firm but slightly Squishy low end . Great for Hard rock riffing. The Creamback H also sounds Great with the 5CR . A good all around balanced tone .

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I could maybe sell something for a profit, but I have only ever given away bits, and just because someone else needed it, not to dispose. I did buy an overdrive once that I didn't want to keep. Once.

Try combining pairs of hempback and evh celestions if you're looking for metal. replace the evh's with cream backs if you want a warmer tone. Speakers matter more than anything else in achieving the tones we all strive for no matter the genre.

That's easily the worst speaker in Celestion's lineup behind the Rocket 50.

its what i use right now its pretty cool

Got mine from Guitar Center for $200. They didn't even bat an eye when I showed up to the store to pick it up with my electric screwdriver to pull off the back to make sure someone didn't rob the speakers out of it, lol. I was so close to pulling the trigger on a Harley Benton 2x12 when I saw that. It was cheaper and a 4x12. Win/win, haha.

Was? Still is.... when you come across one! lol

I had one of those from the first batch. The head was sold after six months lol but the cab was used with a bogner/line6 head and then a bogner uberschall

built way more sturdy than a Marshall too@@travisspaulding2222

Help me find it?

Egnater cabs are very well built and usually come with nicely paired celestions or Egnater branded such as Elite-80 (tweaked Classic Lead 80). I'd grab it in a heartbeat but I suppose people don't know anything othet than Mesa and Marshall

@@phantomflame0658 I have the Tourmaster 2x12 combo with partially open back and the tweaked bass response but they are Celestians. I want to harvest them but am selling the amp, I already have a lighter pedal platform amp but its too low gain and need the money

​@@phantomflame0658picked up an egnater 1x12 with a g12 heritage for less than the speaker would cost new, put an ev 12l in it and it sounds great, and put the g12 in a crate tube amp and that was a nice upgrade too

The speakers matter more than anything else ... change them

They do sell empty cabs, they just usually call them "unloaded".

Only in the US...

@@dan_kay and everywhere else can still do a taxi or a ride share...

I haven't done this for a guitar cab, but definitely rented a truck from Home Depot and Lowes for an hour to get appliances, furniture, etc.

or just maybe think about having a car before you buy some more guitar stuff. maybe get off of moms couch and cut down on the edibles.

​@@richardclark. Not everyone has a car that can fit a 4x12 megamind

I think I saw one comparing a Marshall against a Mesa and the Marshall basically fell apart. But I don’t know what model. 1960A or the Mg series

what's true? nowhere in the video did I say changing your speakers won't change your tone. also, his comment reads like a Glenn Fricker Stan. I promise I'm not trying to insult you, but I would work on completing your thoughts a little bit more so that you don't come off as parroting someone else's exact words

@@belligerentamateurwell , wasn’t expecting that

Did you even watch the video?? Yea what's true? He basically said don't upgrade cheap/crappy cabinet. Instead get a good second hand cabinet, perhaps from guitar center. The reasoning is that firstly new speakers are expensive. Then you devaluate the speakers by using them and putting in the cheap cabinet. After that you may not even get the tone you want. So if you get a good second hand cab with good speakers in there already there's much higher chance you get great sound. And you can resell them without a big down in money if you don't like the sound.

I don't think you understood the point I was trying to make

Gotcha!

@@Jstall7543 If you like the way it sounds and plan on keeping it, rock out with it my dude. Nothing wrong with that. I have a cheaper end guitar that I slapped some new hardware on just because it's my baby and has sentimental value/I wanted to give her some extra bite. This dude would say "It's not cost effective...you could have gotten a better guitar for the same price you put into your cheaper one." Which is true, but that ain't the reason I did it. For you having a matching cab but wanting to upgrade/change the sound? It totally makes sense to me why you would want to keep that cab but upgrade the speaker.

Creambacks and friedman would go well together. I have a celestion alnico cream with a marshall sv20h and it's great. Maybe just hold onto your 70/80 they are horrible but no one will buy em but you can put them back in if you sell your cab in the future

True story the origin cabs are mdf with a birch baffle. You could buy a used cab with cream backs for cheaper than new cream backs. That's his point.

The Iconic has even worse PCB layout and build quality than any older 5150 or 6505, which were not good to begin with. I would suggest getting an Engl instead. Much better-built and more affordable, especially used.

Grab a 6505+ combo ... same circuitry as the 5150 for way less $$. Then ... change the speaker!

but just look for a good used cab. don’t bother with cosmetics if you want a good sound. my cab has dings and scratches, my amp too. my cab has some weird stain that i don’t know where it comes from and i actually don’t even want to know. but it sounds killer and i saved like SO much money

maybe you could loan me one to try? kind of an Eminence Front.

Put a set of Mojotone BV 30V's in there... You will be very happy with the result.

I use a sd-1 and a warm audio centavo(klon clone)with mine. Both are most excellent choices but you cant go wrong with the basic sd-1 or the waza sd-1

@@BattleDroid134 does the warm audio centavo have any internal trim pots or dip switches?

@@crock2434 nope the “Mod” switch is on the back between the jacks and you can take off the base plate,flip it over and put the Velcro on it for your board as well and then if you want to use it separate like in the studio you just flip the back plate over and have the feet. I do this when I am recording into my daw and using my plugins so I can go direct to the hi-z input when I don’t need the whole board excellent pedal.

Word to the wise experiment with the centavo cause the “magic”happens when the gain is past noon as that’s when the “secret diodes” lol kicks in. But gain all the way down volume up is still the classic way to use it.

@@BattleDroid134 awesome + chef's kiss + information

No sir, they are run of the mill chinese production V30s

completely irrelevant to the video topic.

those cabs are an excellent deal and actually well made. they are the only thing i would buy from hardly bent one.