Porting Xenia probably sealed the deal, it was directly competing with Microsoft Store.

@@OneLastScholar thats my guess too. :/ damn. I really wanted to see Switch and PS3 on my Series S

​@@applehazeva2739 you can still pay like twenty dollars for dev mode. Or does series S not have that?

still need to spend $20 to get access to developer mode. On X or S

​@@OneLastScholar They said they had legal issues with Nintendo. So its Nintendos fault.

Look at it this way. If this was Sony or Nintendo your account would be banned, so compared to those two Microsoft is still the good guy here.

​@@DoritosBurger So true, Nintendont and $ony are the worst gaming company and the most overrated too!!

pay 20 bucks and youll be fine

​@@DoritosBurger Does sony block Playstation emulators on xbox?? Cmon man

@Shaggy Rogers IKR?!

My console was set to "Always On" but hadn't been used in ~ a week since I got a much better gaming laptop. I unplugged my router, forgot my network connection and set offline. Lo and behold my Retail Mode emulators all still work. It is funny they mentiom part of the reason was they "require permissions beyond normal app usage which could be considered a security concern". It is like they accidentally showed their cards and could be potentially exploited by the few consoles that still have access like mine.

Eh we’ll see. Since it’s still available through Dev mode I think most folks are happy to pay the $20

*Motivated*

@@GreenLeefMusic I'm not convinced that was a real concern. "Requires permissions beyond normal app usage" .. like what? The only reasonable answer I can come up with is how emulators essentially require external file I/O, through USB or network protocols. The fact that this was ever permitted at all means that the Xbox team have pretty high confidence that their fortress is well secured. That does not bode well for the opposition party. Good luck, hackers. I always like to see every console busted wide open, because the further we go, the more they tighten the screws, and the less likely there will be any ability to enjoy this stuff 15+ years from now.

@@nickwallette6201 Yeah that part is complete bullshit. These system are so locked down that there's no way an app can simply "require permissions beyond normal app usage" without it being fully supported and in-spec. And the idea of delisting the apps instead of patching the vulnerabilities is laughable.

This is the very reason I still buy physical copies of games.

@@amnril The problem is that most of the physical games are just a pathetic shell and you still need to go and download the "real" game... but yeah - I still buy them...

@@RetroTechCorner Yes, sadly that is a problem for many games (not all of course) but tbh, I’d rather that than digital in many cases. I often pick up GOTY editions as they usually have all updates and DLC included.

And you let it happen 😊

You will own nothing and be happy. Is anyone surprised?

They've done it before... on PC. ElDewrito in 2018... A defender definition update marked the exe as a virus.

If the concern is that MS has blocked this specific app, then I do agree with MS in the approach for this instance. Malware is a concern because it becomes MS’s problem to resolve because of the carelessness of the consumer. If the concern is that MS may block any app ad-hoc then yes you may worry but that is a worry for an event that hasn’t happened.

@n n Rather just not buy a device I don't own.

Sorry but why is this somehow not expected and couldn't be used in an appropriate way? Most if not all apps anywhere check for updates on startup for ease of use, hence they connect to official servers at least momentarily. Complain about that all you want, but keeping apps *connected to your official servers* safe, legal, and stable is obviously necessary.

@@mateostenberg and this is why it's pretty much useless when using an Xbox offline because of this practice it's shady as fk to kill an app people already have downloaded

Get Safe Exit, keeps all your stuff intact

im not paying for that mode just to use emulators we need a hacker community around this series of consoles to show microshaft their shit isnt secure

@@billyhatcher643 k

@@billyhatcher643 I'll wire you the $19 if it gets you to shutup about it.

​@@billyhatcher643skill issue

I don’t even get how dev mode emulation worked for so long, it was too dangerous for ms to have it allowed playing games that are currently available in the Microsoft store and not only SNES era games. At least anyone that wants to play can do on dev mode.

after you get dev mode, is the process of getting the emulators and games basically the same?

​@@Jollofmuncher2000 Yeah, but with some extra steps

Exactly. People knew better than this. Dudes who were using dev mode beforehand didn't need all of this negative attention from MS due to people doing dumb stuff like uploading to retail mode nonstop even when the apps would get removed time and time again. Did the retail mode uploaders expect MS to not care when they uploaded Xenia onto their own store??? People can't be arsed to do things right and just use dev mode, which MS never cared about??? I can't even believe that retail mode users are acting like they're entitled to use retail mode for emu when they were never even allowed to have those apps uploaded there in the first place!

Dev Mode will be next. They won’t allow Xenia to be installed via dev mode and since they took down everything to take down Xenia…

hope so. i was planning on doing this on my series s

​@@thomsonsalimon4129Still can just gotta buy the 20 for dev mode

They will it always happens in time

You guys don't seem to really understand what happened this time.

@@Richiefreshhh You wanna enlighten us?

From U.S. V. MICROSOFT 2001: COURT'S FINDINGS OF FACT "411. Many of the tactics that Microsoft has employed have also harmed consumers indirectly by unjustifiably distorting competition. The actions that Microsoft took against Navigator hobbled a form of innovation that had shown the potential to depress the applications barrier to entry sufficiently to enable other firms to compete effectively against Microsoft in the market for Intel-compatible PC operating systems. That competition would have conduced to consumer choice and nurtured innovation. The campaign against Navigator also retarded widespread acceptance of Sun's Java implementation. This campaign, together with actions that Microsoft took with the sole purpose of making it difficult for developers to write Java applications with technologies that would allow them to be ported between Windows and other platforms, impeded another form of innovation that bore the potential to diminish the applications barrier to entry. There is insufficient evidence to find that, absent Microsoft's actions, Navigator and Java already would have ignited genuine competition in the market for Intel-compatible PC operating systems. It is clear, however, that Microsoft has retarded, and perhaps altogether extinguished, the process by which these two middleware technologies could have facilitated the introduction of competition into an important market. 412. Most harmful of all is the message that Microsoft's actions have conveyed to every enterprise with the potential to innovate in the computer industry. Through its conduct toward Netscape, IBM, Compaq, Intel, and others, Microsoft has demonstrated that it will use its prodigious market power and immense profits to harm any firm that insists on pursuing initiatives that could intensify competition against one of Microsoft's core products. Microsoft's past success in hurting such companies and stifling innovation deters investment in technologies and businesses that exhibit the potential to threaten Microsoft. The ultimate result is that some innovations that would truly benefit consumers never occur for the sole reason that they do not coincide with Microsoft's self-interest."

That person is not actually an official Xbox rep speaking on behalf of MS - they are a QA person. we don't even know if they are correct as to the reason. A real PR statement isn't going to name companies.

One thing i could say to Nintendo is f*ck Nintendo and Nintendrone who defend this company for doing shitty business which forced Microsoft to shutdown emulator!! Nintendo and PS are the worst gaming company ever exists, the most overrated too !!!

The Nintendo thing was recently debunked, they removed them as a result of their policies stating that any software that emulates a system isn't allowed

@@jasonmartinez5116 debunked, or putting out fire?

I thought it would happen eventually, but i also had this feeling about the series S... mostly judging from what we've seen in the past. I thought that, eventually, there's going to be a *lot* of used series S out there, and they'll be cheap. And maybe, people are actually going to start really *wanting* these things because of a mod of some kind. Use as like a pc or emulation machine or something. That was one of my early predictions anyway. But it's hard to say, since things aren't all like they were in the past. Although there's some highly intelligent and talented people out there who do make amazing things happen despite the odds.

hahahahahahahah i had a feeling you would cry about boy get at me noob

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha you are noob

@@lordsosa9383 cope harder. Maybe your mom will buy you something nice if you keep doing your homework, then you won't need to fail at trolling like this anymore

@@derealized797 im no troll im the biggest baddest boy in the world boy so you better watch your mouth

Agreed. It would’ve been nice if they just cut off UWP apps like that while letting us who had them installed before the ban to still use them. Like that’s how it is when phone apps get removed from the play stores and they still work until a major OS overhaul update makes them useless

@@BallisticGhast6 Actually, that last part isn't 100% true, Apple and Google _absolutely_ have the capability to remotely delete specific apps (or versions of apps) from your device, sideloaded or not, jailbroken/rooted or not. Google's version is called Play Protect (idk the name for the apple equivalent), and it's basically a blocklist of APKs that, supposedly, are "deemed to be malicious" and are automatically deleted on sight from the client device, without warning to the user. They did this to kill any remaining installs of Google Play Music after people found and began distributing a pre-killswitch version of the APK, and if a nationwide TikTok ban comes to pass, Google (and Apple) will almost surely be ordered to add that app to their blocklists as well, to forcibly remove them from client devices (because merely removing it from the app store isn't gonna stop anyone, nor will DNS blackholing, etc)...

"In the enterprise space, you can use things indefinitely with many hardware ir software packages, but if you don’t pay for support, you don’t get updates or vendor help. That’s fine. You literally get what you pay for and it’s yours." Oh don't worry, that's changing too. Especially with SaaS. People need to stop choosing convenience over rights, or else we're going to have neither. Digital-only consoles should sit on the shelf and collect massive layers of dust. This is important, and it's almost too late.

Lol why all the doom and gloom? Nintendo/Sony and Microsoft can't do anything with emulators. Emulators are legal. Pirating roms is not. Nintendo can't do a thing about dolphin coming to steam. They have lost so many court cases and will continue to do so. As long as they don't provide ways to circumvent the need for bios or keys you'll be able to use your favorite emulators.

Nintendo would not have won any lawsuit with Microsoft pertaining to this issue. Microsoft just caved since it also helps Microsoft to remove these emulators (think xenia cutting into profits, and the read/write permission debacle)

The steam deck is marketed as an alternative to windows gaming. If valve removed emulation from the steam deck everyone would just install windows, and steam os would die. Emulation has been driving the sales of the steam deck since launch basically. And then you have all of the chinese companies releasing small handheld emulation devices. If nintendo wants a fight they're going to have to fight everybody. My guess this is an independent decision by microsoft, and has little or nothing to do with nintendo.

@@ransacked they keep with that bullshits. they don't know. they should stop writing bullshits about this thread

@@FriedEgg101 wtf you saying? another bullshit. steam deck is not just emulation and every emulator runs on Linux. you keep saying bullshits.

The Stockholm Syndrome is strong. People calling _the freedom to run own programs_ (on the hardware you bought) a "loophole".

but at the same time they're dictating what someone can do with a piece of hardware they paid for...

​@@someguy4957its sad that this standard is seen as unachievable and "too good to be true" today

@@someguy4957 you can still run emulators as long as you go dev mode. They are basically limiting what you can do on retail mode and if you were at risk of legal processes from Nintendo or sad devs that see their games(from Xbox OG era) being emulated for free instead of purchased through the store, you’d do the same. You can still do whatever you want with your hardware as long as it’s not in retail mode, you can do way more than you can do on a switch or a PS5.

​@@demontferrat There's nothing illicit or illegal about using an emulator, that lawsuit would never stick. If Microsoft thinks that emulating is illegal then they would have blocked emulators in dev mode as well, it isn't like a game dev who was upset about emulation is suddenly going to be ok with it because you have to pay MS $20 for a dev mode license.

That's a cope.

MS doesn't care that much about their customers to do it.

Apparently RetroArch is listed in the command-line Winget store.

It gets tricky with game licenses. It would be legal if you have the original disc. However, that can get complicated quickly

They are looking into it!

@@Imseeking The message seemed to suggest they'd only approve specific apps specifically licensed by game or platform developers.

It was originally dev mode only for years but they had added a way to install apps which arent in the store in retail mode but now there blocking it

I thought they restricted consumer access to dev mode in the past couple years. Am I wrong?

​@@MMOchAForPrez no. That was just an error on their side. Dev mode is still available afaik (,I don't use it since I got my Steam Deck lol)

@MMOchAForPrez I think it was just a mistake that they disabled some peoples dev mode access they renabled there access once they realised the mistake

Dev mode requires more setup that the retail mode but once you understand it it's pretty easy

I could care less that Microsoft patched this. I only ever used Developer Mode.

Xbox can't be modded past the 360. Hackers rely on software exploits, but since the vast majority of Ones and Series are kept updated this route can't happen.

It's already easy to circumvent. Pay a small fee and run your console in dev mode.

@@solidsnake6405 not really I have a Mod Chip in my OG Xbox. You can bypass hardware and if it’s dependent on that hardware you can bypass a specific part of that hardware.

Anything Microsoft does is easy to circumvent. Windows 11 system requirements anyone?

And How!

Nah, dev mode is still a thing

MVG and your empty threats 🤣🤣 If you can’t afford $20, you have bigger problems than hacking a console

Right. Why even try emulating on garden-walled platforms? Play on open platforms like the PC. No one can block that.

If it involves games that aren't being sold, I can say yes, but there are people out there jail breaking switches to run anything or ps4s/ps5s... and yet you act like a company doesn't have a right to stop it

@@Krushak8888 Nintendo workers aren't going to struggle to put food on the table because I'm emulating Paper Mario TTYD from 2004.

@@dewottmaster7720 Greedy pigs.

Until they pressure Microsoft to mandate SmartScreen on every Windows install and block emulators there too. At that point, the only option will be Linux.

Anything, that's what you get when you buy a console. Rental hardware and software.

As long as you set your Xbox offline open each game whilst online set offline then open each game again offline you will not loose access to your games. If hacks arrive you can safely enter Microsoft network risk free. My Xbox series x has been offline since Nov 2021 I get a few errors but they should go away once hacks are released and Microsoft is blocked by DNS and spoofing. And a fatal crash interceptor. Let’s hope!

Settings: set Xbox as HOME xbox.

Highlight: I get a few errors but they should go away once hacks are released

The dreaded DRM errors. I should’ve wrote them down... I’m sure you can find them if you need to. Anyways let’s hope that fixes ALL those errors!

@n n look at the previous sht nintendo has done (or attempted to do and failed miserably) and tell me with a straight face that it isn't karen levels of crazy to want to copyright strike tens of thousands of YT channels for having uploaded any content from a nintendo console in video form. and that's just ONE thing they tried to do to stick a giant middle finger into everyones face

@n n you don't seem to be getting what i was referencing. in the early-ish days of YT, nintendo tried to send mass takedowns and copyright strikes to *any* channel that had uploaded *any* nintendo game, or anything related to it (music, pixel art, old tv ads etc). I'm not talking about YT channels linking downloads or anything, and this isn't just a theoretical tool, they did actually do this crap, and then had to backpedal when half of YT and the press revolted

Emulators are legal in the US, and in several other countries, there's no debate on this. Roms and bios must be provided by the user, as they are still copyrighted

I think it's more an issue with licensing any copyrighted assets rather than the legality of emulation itself

yeah we all know they will never make a "legal" emulator where you just have to supply an illegal bios ... not happening

Could mean more emulation sites getting taken down if that happens?

If microsoft is going to make their "own" nintendo and sony console emulators with resolution tweaks etc, they could really get in trouble. I mean with this the other companies could sue them for making a way to play their older games, but with better resolution and performance. The other companies' could be planning to re-release these older games on their systems and thus microsoft is bringing their future sells down. Even if it's the users who are providing their "own" games, this will still look bad for microsoft. IF microsoft would win the case, it means that sony and nintendo could as well make their "own" emulators and thus people could just play every systems games on every system. That could set back microsofts plans to have gamepass on other consoles too. Why even have a gamepass if you can already play most of the games for free. Why even buy the switch online if you can play every retro game on every system already, why buy the PS plus higher tiers when you can play every retro game on every console... FOR FREE. I really dont see a future where this is going to happen.

just buy a pc, its the God of Emulation.

yeah same.. Finding out after the effect. Nintendo threatened to sue with also mentioning it will allow hacking to find weaknesses in the system for an open hack. Of course they were going to fold.

You were properly misguided, otherwise you may have tried it in retail mode like the other dummies

Same. Surprised they were available through their legit store.

he even made a video

@@crystalwater505 Sadly Google don`t face Nintendo FINES and thier apps that can steam movies for FREE you will see many PS1 to PPSSPP emulators which may emulator DS GAMES

Dev mode is next, they’re not gonna let you sideload Xenia and play pirated 360 games. Patching that out in dev mode is taking longer hence it’s fine right now.

​@@avae5343 so basically just dont update, or roll back if possible? I don't know adam from eve here, but isn't this a story as old as time?

@@davidhalper6447 Did you buy your series s as an emulation box?

@@avae5343 are you stupid? an azure dev literally said they not going to touch dev mode, also if they block that, they'll just make differently signatured program since dev mode allows you to run any UWP custom apps.

why did they not block developer mode on Xbox consoles but blocked retail mode for emulators.

Imagine relying on Xbox for emulators. Geez, it literally requires an internet connection. They can lock you out at any time.

@@mpowerness92 imagine clowning on people for enjoying their system of choice. Geez.

Geez

Nintendo what? they cannot stop emulators. stop with that bullshits.

Imagine blaming Nintendo for this and not Microsoft, the friendliest trillion dollar company in the world

That's because they have other means of getting their information whether for paying or personal since they let their governments do it to them.

Super Wii U: will never happen Me: purchased a Wii U dev kit v4 unreleased 3gb ram ntsc-j 320gb internal HDD complete w/PC software disk, I have hopes of breaking into much of the hardware.

Me too! So it’s not a big deal apparently? Because from what I remember getting Dev mode is easy and under $30? I never heard of stock xbox playing emulators

@@brokenhero6828 like, I remember MVG doing a video specifically on emulation on the Xbox Series, and I swear he said you have to switch to Developer Mode. I'm so confused these days.

@@ProjectDv2 Bro same! LOL. Are you into tech in general? Ryzen 7040 cpus coming out promising 30 hours of video playback battery life on laptops.. seems a little too good to be true.

@@brokenhero6828 I am, but I only keep up with computer component tech when I'm ready to upgrade. It's too exhausting for me to follow it all, all of the time. But I'm with you, that seems dubious, and they *always* lie about specs like this. That's probably the absolute maximum possible battery life after turning literally everything imaginable down to the lowest possible settings. In other words, not a fucking realistic stat and basically utterly useless to the average person.

Really? I feel like it's become more accepted recently. Mostly people feeling it's justified when you can't buy the old games anymore.

Recent times? It has been a dirty word since at least the 90s. Listed as illegal hacking topics on forums and chat channels along with warez, trainers and MP3s Remember how MP3s were inherently illegal and that there is no legitimate/legal way to have one? x3 x3 x3 Though, in that list dirty 1337zors haxxors topicz (rules require that be spelled with far too many zs, xs and numbers for letters--to appease the dark gods of the 1990s) the place of MP3s has been taken up with "Torrents" (despite it not being spelled Torrentz... or xX_69Torrentz420_Xx). The council of 1337 topics is still filled... er... I mean "fillz0r3dz j0 j0 j0"

@@lpnp9477 accepted by the average person yes... But the companies still don't see the value. They would rather sit on an intellectual property for 4 decades and do nothing with it, than let enthusiasts and fans enjoy it and keep the memories alive.

Emulation has been a dirty word for about 25 years, bro

@@rennmaxbeta That's true. It still sucks though

That's what happens when you rent a console from Microsoft.

This is more than that, theyve always removed the emulators from the stores. This is blocking people from using the apps they downloaded months ago. Also, emulators aren't "nintendo properties". No nintendo properties were uploaded except arguably AM2R with its assets, which surprisingly, AM2R still launches.

@@M_CFV indeed so, but Nintendo are pretty infamous for legal action (actual or threatened), not to mention lobbying for laws, to protect their properties against a multitude of entities who may or may not deserve such action. I can imagine that this is just collateral. Anyway, just my uninformed opinion. Could of course be completely off the mark.

Even if it’s not Nintendo property, they might be a little upset seeing Mario 64 being played on Xbox so to get the deal signed with Nintendo they got to block emulators. Microsoft can say that the emulators on retail mode breaking tos are banned and everything in dev mode is fine cause they have no say in what files developer’s download in a walled of sandbox

wtf you saying? it's Nintendo business to have cod running on switch. they earn from that, more then Microsoft. you can't say they said to Microsoft to remove something to have cod running on switch? what? they earn from that more then Microsoft

@@magicjack4076 bullshits. Mario 64 runs from years in every emulators. they cannot do anything about the emulator. it's legal. stop with that bullshit. emulators are legal.

Bro, people were emulating 360 games. Of course Xbox had to shut it down. And this “app” they blacklisted couldn’t even be accessed by normal means. It was never approved of in the first place.

It's this kind of thing that drove me away from consoles. Nothing is yours, everything is transient, you will play the newest thing only and like it!

@@lpnp9477 PC doesn’t even have physical copies. In the unlikely event that steam shuts down, everything goes down with it.

@@TheOneToKeepYouWaiting Piracy is the only way to ensure preservation for both consoles and pcs unfortunately.

​@@TheOneToKeepYouWaiting PC does have physical copies. People are just less likely to go out and get them when they can just download it, though.

The thing is, I don't see why this is really a issue. The benefit is, you don't get cheaters on Xbox. And this is a big one. It's bigger for me than the ability for Microsoft to block any app. BTW, this is not new and Microsoft already said that this is the case on Xbox one.

@@MikeLeitner this has nothing to do with cheaters what are you on about mate?

@@kazikoFPV it def has. Disallowing unauthorized code to run is a big one, how Xbox is running games is basically the reason they can block emulators afterwards and it’s the same how they could block exploits. The signing of the game, and it’s running meta data is stored only online and you need to be online with a offline Xbox for some time in 30 days I think, cause of expiring keys. As said Microsoft explained it in a 1h or longer video, how Xbox security architecture works, the by product is just the result of this and already worked since Xbox one days.

You can still emulate in dev mode

nope just tried it it gives an error

I wouldn't call it a crushing blow when there's dozens of other options for emulation other just using an Xbox.

Maybe if your console was and remains in offline mode before they blocked it, possibly

Not a crushing blow at all

@@jspantonio8807 Yeah I personally don't care about emulation on Xbox. The option for dev mode is still there for now, atleast

I mean they did before, so they can do it again.

Until Microsoft starts disabling and limiting what you can run in dev mode, like what Sony did with PS3 Linux. At this point the Series X is pointless as an "emulation" station, it's less complicated to go with a PC setup and more reliable, you won't have to worry about programs disabled and removed silently and without warning like on the Xbox. Plus you don't have to deal with the god awful UI that is Xbox One Metro

🤣🤣🤣🤣

The current gaming market suuuuucks at the moment. Atleast give us the chance to experience the older libraries properly. Emulation is preservation. (I apologize for previously wording this comment terribly, as I read the original poster's comment initially wrong.)

​@@ThunderTHR what??

@@ThunderTHR What is PCSX2 then? And i know you use that, you used it for a video before. Also, Emulation enhances the experience of playing a game flat-out, compared to what (for example) Nintendo offers with their spit into your face 50€ a year subscription plan (which is dumb because why would you pay that for terrible online + games you were able to buy outright before vs. something like Xbox Live Gold)

@@ThunderTHR why because you want people to pay for games that’s not being sold 😢

Imagine that, emulation becomes insanely popular when the AAA space continues to stagnate.

Yeah, they chose to protect their IP. They're very serious about that, and for good legal reasons. The real surprise is that emulators were allowed on Xbox retail mode all this time. I had no idea. Seems unprecedented to me. It was only a matter of time before they went away. If it hadn't been Nintendo, it would have been someone else (e.g., Sony).

As usual.

It can be blamed on Sony too

as per effing usual. Starting to really hate that clownshow of a company (remember when they tried to take down what felt like half of YT because it had _any_ content from them in it?)

@Wild And that won't happen because Rare is owned by Microsoft

My question too. I'm very hesitant to get dev mode incase they pull this shit again

What do you do about PC games? GOG doesn’t have the biggest or best library.

Well said. This is why I only buy digital through PC. Seam, GOG have been around forever while on the closed platform it's up to the console creators to shut the store down whenever they see fit and they have no competing digital front.

That's why I will never buy an Xbox console ever again and I own the classic Xbox and the 360. I got a PS4, used it well and now it's just jailbroken so that I never lose my games, physical or digital. I can even backup (and edit) my saves without PS Plus. This is good to preserve on disc pre order content or bypass the grind in more monetized games. And as it has been mentioned, buying digitally on PC is fine. I own some delisted games from years ago on Steam and they're still playable. Even if they weren't somehow, there are other ways ^^

Honestly? I'd be more comfortable with PC games but I don't honestly play many.

Microsoft and Nintendo have a partnership and that really is the only reason. Microsoft wants their good relations with Nintendo to stand.

Did you watch this video, it was stated in this one, talk about trying to be heard in a echo chamber.

@@crystalwater505 This only means goodbye to COD deals on Nintendrone console because ShitTendo ruined their relation with Microsoft by pulling this BS move.

Microsoft don’t care about that. They only started to pretend to care when Xenia was ported.

You still can through dev mode.

@@ShawFujikawa how? I tried doing that last year and the Microsoft website would direct me to something different than the tutorials I watched. I had to settle for retail mode

@n n - Seriously Dude..... Probably NOTHING FOR YOU to play. The other Millions of gamers, however, would disagree with you on that subject.

​@Jago Six Literally nothing on Xbox that interests me other than Forza which I can play on PC. The only reason I bought a Series X was for the emulation.

@@nn-dv3uf Than use Geforce now on PlayStation Oh wait none of them support it due to is may lead to Exploits like Exploits that allow xbox to play PC GAMES which is 2X the PS5 Power May not be an Exploit but is better than paying $100 for dev mode No dev mode required just their browser

No way is that the real Yu from Persona 4 Golden? 😳

Nothing. If they lose the legal battle for this they have to take it away as well, and they always can do it themselves. Nothing on Xbox is granted because it’s always online.

After this, it would be a stupid idea to only buy it for emulation. Future update will just remove Dev Mode or only “authorised” users can use it after paying $100 a year.

@@svenabend360 if they remove my dev mode i will sue them

Nothing, they basically “allow “ us to use dev mode as long as they see fit. Just like Linux on ps3, it might get removed with a simple software update.

with all due respect, arent physical media games nowadays like simply keys that download and launch an App Image? Like, MW2 on Disc is simply 2 MB and cant be installed locally without Internet

@@applehazeva2739 Yes and no. It depends on the game and the manufacturer. I don't trust CoD, nor do I follow them so I wouldn't be surprised if they ship half baked nonsense on a disk. Older gen games like Xbox 360 games on Xbox One, you are correct. it's used as a sort of validation key which prompts the download of the assets into an emulator of sorts MVG has a much better explanation, I'm just simplifying it for the sake of brevity. Regardless, games like God Of War Ragnarok or other newer titles have the core game on the disk itself and rely on updates to patch and so forth, but it is far from a simple "key". It's a complex topic and I would need to buckle down and do more research on it, but that is how I understand the basics of it right now. I hope that clears things up a little!

An offline xbox Series X/S is the dumbest thing ever actually

Not feasible for people who also play normal Xbox games on their console...

I get a different error code

I have a ps5 anyway. Xbox can stay offline i ain't fussed about online.

@@juiceDpunk983 my ps5 is offline. Waiting for an hypervisor exploit that will never exist.

Real reason is to monetise that 20 dollar fee *Microsoft rubs hands*

No, real reason is that Microsoft just made an agreement with Big N to bring games to the Switch and need to get through the ABK buyout. This is to keep on the correct side of the regulators and keep new partners happy.

​@@Nobbie248Microsoft is worth more than $2070 billion, but yeh, they're wringing their hands over a few one-off $20 fees.

@@PoutingTrevor ok ok relax guys. Would be pretty funny if true though 🤣

Don`t even care to take down Google emulators Which Holds all the emulators for DS and PS1 games

its why i never even bothered to buy anymore consoles xD

Ironically security reasons are why the ps3 had its Linux stuff disabled and we all know how that turned out. This probably isn't that major of a motivator for modders to try to find ways to mod the system yet but I guess time will tell.

@@erxer1 that the party line a major companies use, and after storm that happened at PS when they got hacked game consoles company don't want to take chances again

yeah this might complicate things. the good news for me is VVVVVV & Sonic Time Twisted on my xbox is not impacted by its effects but the bad news is the rest of the emulators is impacted. so i guess it's back to NESBOX again. not to mention the Tnavigator (the Retrix clone) which apparently still works. (The game database update was broken & I only get to import games manually.)

Surprise surprise that the "you can run emulators" info got out when the Xbox Series were slumping in sales and needed a pick-me-up for the holiday season, but as soon as the price cuts end and quarterly reports wrap up, then Microsoft disables this functionality 😂 MVG and his community took the bait hook line and sinker, were played like a fiddle

Sonic 1 SMS and Sonic 2 SMS still work. Same with AM2R

Did you even watch the video? Nintendo got name dropped for blocking it.

Console owners are whipped enough that they will find excuses to like being abused by microsoft, sony or nintendo. There's no saving slaves who are willing.

Yea yea yea pirating old asss games is hostility towards consumers. No one buys an Xbox to emulate games.

@@georgie9303 And that changes my comment how? Nintendo is known for its hostility.

Blame Nintendo

Yes if those still worked I wouldn't have been this upset but now I can't even put custom mods, textures, skins on minecraft which you could do for free on android and pc =/

very true...

no. its supposed to be FREE.

and think if Xbox series X able to play PS3 games old games support for XBOX

Personally I don't think it should. Just because the user installed it doesn't mean they're entitled to have access to it. The entire point is that it was acquired through a source (MS store) that had deleted it due to violations of the terms. So ofc it would make sense to extend it to the apps as well, since they would be running term breaking apps from retail mode otherwise. And downloading something isn't owning the product either. People should've just stuck with dev mode from the beginning instead of doing this over and over with retail mode and then getting into a fit when MS shuts down the retail nonsense completely. People knew better but still tried it anyways. Dev mode users don't need all of this attention due to the shit dudes would pull with the retail mode stuff. I mean seriously, did they not expect MS to care about the fact that they were putting Xenia onto the MS store? Like, come ON now... People know better than this.

@@umamifan So they’re gonna take down emulators in dev mode. They’re not going to allow you to install Xenia in dev mode..

@@avae5343 I’m not sure, but at the end of the day, emulation on the Xbox was never officially given the green light. It’s always just been “tolerated” by Microsoft. That can easily change though, since people are getting more and more ballsy and trying to use stuff such as Xenia which would now be competing with Microsoft for games that they already have available via backwards compatibility. I know there are certain perks to using Xenia, but at the same time it will also be understandable if Microsoft shuts it down due to creating a direct competitor in the emulation space on their own console…

@@umamifan Retroarch retail was on there for a long time. 8 weeks after Xenia was ported they pulled the plug on everything. Same will happen in dev mode. They’ll update the OS to prevent any emulation apps in dev mode.

@@avae5343 it is possible. What I fear is if someone were to hypothetically put something like a switch emu on there. It would cause Nintendo to tell Microsoft to shut it down asap. People are getting way too cocky with this