I had a feeling using Retail Mode for emulation was flying a bit too close to the sun, but its still sad to see it not supported any more.
@OneLastScholar Жыл бұрын
Porting Xenia probably sealed the deal, it was directly competing with Microsoft Store.
@applehazeva2739 Жыл бұрын
@@OneLastScholar thats my guess too. :/ damn. I really wanted to see Switch and PS3 on my Series S
@namename2040 Жыл бұрын
@@applehazeva2739 you can still pay like twenty dollars for dev mode. Or does series S not have that?
@coleas2 Жыл бұрын
still need to spend $20 to get access to developer mode. On X or S
@albrechtherholdt5140 Жыл бұрын
@@OneLastScholar They said they had legal issues with Nintendo. So its Nintendos fault.
@TiJayFLY Жыл бұрын
6:26 This is what bothered me too. Delisting from stores is fine, but disabling existing apps on a user's machine is not cool.
@DoritosBurger Жыл бұрын
Look at it this way. If this was Sony or Nintendo your account would be banned, so compared to those two Microsoft is still the good guy here.
@runninginthe90s75 Жыл бұрын
@@DoritosBurger So true, Nintendont and $ony are the worst gaming company and the most overrated too!!
@punishedhek7495 Жыл бұрын
pay 20 bucks and youll be fine
@reactking7093 Жыл бұрын
@@DoritosBurger Does sony block Playstation emulators on xbox?? Cmon man
@applehazeva2739 Жыл бұрын
@Shaggy Rogers IKR?!
@123Dargor Жыл бұрын
You really don't want to motivate hackers to go after your console. From what I've see, when it comes to piracy, the harder someone makes it, the more motivated pirates are.
@GreenLeefMusic Жыл бұрын
My console was set to "Always On" but hadn't been used in ~ a week since I got a much better gaming laptop. I unplugged my router, forgot my network connection and set offline. Lo and behold my Retail Mode emulators all still work. It is funny they mentiom part of the reason was they "require permissions beyond normal app usage which could be considered a security concern". It is like they accidentally showed their cards and could be potentially exploited by the few consoles that still have access like mine.
@ytm23ak Жыл бұрын
Eh we’ll see. Since it’s still available through Dev mode I think most folks are happy to pay the $20
@bustergundo516 Жыл бұрын
*Motivated*
@nickwallette6201 Жыл бұрын
@@GreenLeefMusic I'm not convinced that was a real concern. "Requires permissions beyond normal app usage" .. like what? The only reasonable answer I can come up with is how emulators essentially require external file I/O, through USB or network protocols. The fact that this was ever permitted at all means that the Xbox team have pretty high confidence that their fortress is well secured. That does not bode well for the opposition party. Good luck, hackers. I always like to see every console busted wide open, because the further we go, the more they tighten the screws, and the less likely there will be any ability to enjoy this stuff 15+ years from now.
@rx1834 Жыл бұрын
@@nickwallette6201 Yeah that part is complete bullshit. These system are so locked down that there's no way an app can simply "require permissions beyond normal app usage" without it being fully supported and in-spec. And the idea of delisting the apps instead of patching the vulnerabilities is laughable.
@RetroTechCorner Жыл бұрын
The real problem here is that MS can effectively disable any game/application you have on your system. Slowly but surely they pretty much killed physical ownership and now they can kill "digital ownership" as they wish. It's game over for game preservation, collecting etc. Sad.
@amnril Жыл бұрын
This is the very reason I still buy physical copies of games.
@RetroTechCorner Жыл бұрын
@@amnril The problem is that most of the physical games are just a pathetic shell and you still need to go and download the "real" game... but yeah - I still buy them...
@amnril Жыл бұрын
@@RetroTechCorner Yes, sadly that is a problem for many games (not all of course) but tbh, I’d rather that than digital in many cases. I often pick up GOTY editions as they usually have all updates and DLC included.
@Bobo-ox7fj Жыл бұрын
And you let it happen 😊
@mazyata9958 Жыл бұрын
You will own nothing and be happy. Is anyone surprised?
@stealfromwork Жыл бұрын
I agree that MS being able to block already installed applications this way is concerning. Might even be the real headline here.
@bryceh4439 Жыл бұрын
They've done it before... on PC. ElDewrito in 2018... A defender definition update marked the exe as a virus.
@o0Donuts0o Жыл бұрын
If the concern is that MS has blocked this specific app, then I do agree with MS in the approach for this instance. Malware is a concern because it becomes MS’s problem to resolve because of the carelessness of the consumer. If the concern is that MS may block any app ad-hoc then yes you may worry but that is a worry for an event that hasn’t happened.
@Ephicx Жыл бұрын
@n n Rather just not buy a device I don't own.
@mateostenberg Жыл бұрын
Sorry but why is this somehow not expected and couldn't be used in an appropriate way? Most if not all apps anywhere check for updates on startup for ease of use, hence they connect to official servers at least momentarily. Complain about that all you want, but keeping apps *connected to your official servers* safe, legal, and stable is obviously necessary.
@Playerz714 Жыл бұрын
@@mateostenberg and this is why it's pretty much useless when using an Xbox offline because of this practice it's shady as fk to kill an app people already have downloaded
@nebiyumeseret Жыл бұрын
The only annoying thing about dev mode is the default settings that asks you if you want to delete all of your files when exiting. Other than that, I started using it for about 2 weeks now and have been loving it. Still unfortunate this has happened but makes sense.
@ssj99gohanisthebest48 Жыл бұрын
Get Safe Exit, keeps all your stuff intact
@billyhatcher643 Жыл бұрын
im not paying for that mode just to use emulators we need a hacker community around this series of consoles to show microshaft their shit isnt secure
@fmccloud Жыл бұрын
@@billyhatcher643 k
@niallmcardle7 Жыл бұрын
@@billyhatcher643 I'll wire you the $19 if it gets you to shutup about it.
@JohnGatsbyThe3rd Жыл бұрын
@@billyhatcher643skill issue
@DammitJeff Жыл бұрын
This is why I never advocated for retail mode when it comes to emulators! While it's very clear cut from MS's side that Dev mode is free rein, Retail mode has never had that same promise, so this was inevitable from the beginning. Still totally worth it to install Dev mode though! I still transition between modes pretty seamlessly.
@demontferrat Жыл бұрын
I don’t even get how dev mode emulation worked for so long, it was too dangerous for ms to have it allowed playing games that are currently available in the Microsoft store and not only SNES era games. At least anyone that wants to play can do on dev mode.
@Jollofmuncher2000 Жыл бұрын
after you get dev mode, is the process of getting the emulators and games basically the same?
@NickJR528 Жыл бұрын
@@Jollofmuncher2000 Yeah, but with some extra steps
@umamifan Жыл бұрын
Exactly. People knew better than this. Dudes who were using dev mode beforehand didn't need all of this negative attention from MS due to people doing dumb stuff like uploading to retail mode nonstop even when the apps would get removed time and time again. Did the retail mode uploaders expect MS to not care when they uploaded Xenia onto their own store??? People can't be arsed to do things right and just use dev mode, which MS never cared about??? I can't even believe that retail mode users are acting like they're entitled to use retail mode for emu when they were never even allowed to have those apps uploaded there in the first place!
@avae5343 Жыл бұрын
Dev Mode will be next. They won’t allow Xenia to be installed via dev mode and since they took down everything to take down Xenia…
@alex.starostin Жыл бұрын
I have a feeling emulators will be back on retail pretty soon in one way or another
@thomsonsalimon4129 Жыл бұрын
hope so. i was planning on doing this on my series s
@brandonsharp1495 Жыл бұрын
@@thomsonsalimon4129Still can just gotta buy the 20 for dev mode
@jaymoore6880 Жыл бұрын
They will it always happens in time
@Richiefreshhh Жыл бұрын
You guys don't seem to really understand what happened this time.
@Zansekai Жыл бұрын
@@Richiefreshhh You wanna enlighten us?
@sIosha Жыл бұрын
Wow they actually called out Nintendo. I was expecting the typical non-answer.
@crisnmaryfam7344 Жыл бұрын
From U.S. V. MICROSOFT 2001: COURT'S FINDINGS OF FACT "411. Many of the tactics that Microsoft has employed have also harmed consumers indirectly by unjustifiably distorting competition. The actions that Microsoft took against Navigator hobbled a form of innovation that had shown the potential to depress the applications barrier to entry sufficiently to enable other firms to compete effectively against Microsoft in the market for Intel-compatible PC operating systems. That competition would have conduced to consumer choice and nurtured innovation. The campaign against Navigator also retarded widespread acceptance of Sun's Java implementation. This campaign, together with actions that Microsoft took with the sole purpose of making it difficult for developers to write Java applications with technologies that would allow them to be ported between Windows and other platforms, impeded another form of innovation that bore the potential to diminish the applications barrier to entry. There is insufficient evidence to find that, absent Microsoft's actions, Navigator and Java already would have ignited genuine competition in the market for Intel-compatible PC operating systems. It is clear, however, that Microsoft has retarded, and perhaps altogether extinguished, the process by which these two middleware technologies could have facilitated the introduction of competition into an important market. 412. Most harmful of all is the message that Microsoft's actions have conveyed to every enterprise with the potential to innovate in the computer industry. Through its conduct toward Netscape, IBM, Compaq, Intel, and others, Microsoft has demonstrated that it will use its prodigious market power and immense profits to harm any firm that insists on pursuing initiatives that could intensify competition against one of Microsoft's core products. Microsoft's past success in hurting such companies and stifling innovation deters investment in technologies and businesses that exhibit the potential to threaten Microsoft. The ultimate result is that some innovations that would truly benefit consumers never occur for the sole reason that they do not coincide with Microsoft's self-interest."
@purelogarithm Жыл бұрын
That person is not actually an official Xbox rep speaking on behalf of MS - they are a QA person. we don't even know if they are correct as to the reason. A real PR statement isn't going to name companies.
@runninginthe90s75 Жыл бұрын
One thing i could say to Nintendo is f*ck Nintendo and Nintendrone who defend this company for doing shitty business which forced Microsoft to shutdown emulator!! Nintendo and PS are the worst gaming company ever exists, the most overrated too !!!
@jasonmartinez5116 Жыл бұрын
The Nintendo thing was recently debunked, they removed them as a result of their policies stating that any software that emulates a system isn't allowed
@Dracossaint Жыл бұрын
@@jasonmartinez5116 debunked, or putting out fire?
@startedtech Жыл бұрын
I had a feeling this was going to happen ever since it was first possible. Just seemed inevitable
@derealized797 Жыл бұрын
I thought it would happen eventually, but i also had this feeling about the series S... mostly judging from what we've seen in the past. I thought that, eventually, there's going to be a *lot* of used series S out there, and they'll be cheap. And maybe, people are actually going to start really *wanting* these things because of a mod of some kind. Use as like a pc or emulation machine or something. That was one of my early predictions anyway. But it's hard to say, since things aren't all like they were in the past. Although there's some highly intelligent and talented people out there who do make amazing things happen despite the odds.
@lordsosa9383 Жыл бұрын
hahahahahahahah i had a feeling you would cry about boy get at me noob
@lordsosa9383 Жыл бұрын
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha you are noob
@derealized797 Жыл бұрын
@@lordsosa9383 cope harder. Maybe your mom will buy you something nice if you keep doing your homework, then you won't need to fail at trolling like this anymore
@lordsosa9383 Жыл бұрын
@@derealized797 im no troll im the biggest baddest boy in the world boy so you better watch your mouth
@andocobo Жыл бұрын
Blocking apps which breach their ToS and removing games just because they’re old or whatever are two VERY different issues
@BallisticGhast6 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. It would’ve been nice if they just cut off UWP apps like that while letting us who had them installed before the ban to still use them. Like that’s how it is when phone apps get removed from the play stores and they still work until a major OS overhaul update makes them useless
@WackoMcGoose Жыл бұрын
@@BallisticGhast6 Actually, that last part isn't 100% true, Apple and Google _absolutely_ have the capability to remotely delete specific apps (or versions of apps) from your device, sideloaded or not, jailbroken/rooted or not. Google's version is called Play Protect (idk the name for the apple equivalent), and it's basically a blocklist of APKs that, supposedly, are "deemed to be malicious" and are automatically deleted on sight from the client device, without warning to the user. They did this to kill any remaining installs of Google Play Music after people found and began distributing a pre-killswitch version of the APK, and if a nationwide TikTok ban comes to pass, Google (and Apple) will almost surely be ordered to add that app to their blocklists as well, to forcibly remove them from client devices (because merely removing it from the app store isn't gonna stop anyone, nor will DNS blackholing, etc)...
@paulbrooks4395 Жыл бұрын
We so often come back to the problem of ownership in digital media. Anything that has an online-required component-even if the totality of the code is on the machine-can be blocked, deleted, or banned from your system. This is beyond absurd. In the enterprise space, you can use things indefinitely with many hardware ir software packages, but if you don’t pay for support, you don’t get updates or vendor help. That’s fine. You literally get what you pay for and it’s yours. Too many companies have put retail products behind license server logins on run. Single player games that run the AI and store player data server-side only are just galling. The situation just plain sucks for anyone who travels, or has any issues with local networking/services. It makes what would be a good game experience either bad or impossible. And this all sidesteps issues of rights ending, companies going out of business, and planned obsolescence.
@nickwallette6201 Жыл бұрын
"In the enterprise space, you can use things indefinitely with many hardware ir software packages, but if you don’t pay for support, you don’t get updates or vendor help. That’s fine. You literally get what you pay for and it’s yours." Oh don't worry, that's changing too. Especially with SaaS. People need to stop choosing convenience over rights, or else we're going to have neither. Digital-only consoles should sit on the shelf and collect massive layers of dust. This is important, and it's almost too late.
@JoshF848 Жыл бұрын
I can't lie, I suspected this would happen when the standalone Dolphin and the PS2 emulator were released. it was so good, and also so easy that I wondered how long MS would allow it. I have the same concern with Dolphin coming to Steam - if emulation gets too big, too easy and too widespread, that's what's going to motivate the likes of Nintendo to step up their efforts to shut it down entirely. It almost needs to stay inconvenient enough that only enthusiasts will bother with it.
@ransacked Жыл бұрын
Lol why all the doom and gloom? Nintendo/Sony and Microsoft can't do anything with emulators. Emulators are legal. Pirating roms is not. Nintendo can't do a thing about dolphin coming to steam. They have lost so many court cases and will continue to do so. As long as they don't provide ways to circumvent the need for bios or keys you'll be able to use your favorite emulators.
@M_CFV Жыл бұрын
Nintendo would not have won any lawsuit with Microsoft pertaining to this issue. Microsoft just caved since it also helps Microsoft to remove these emulators (think xenia cutting into profits, and the read/write permission debacle)
@FriedEgg101 Жыл бұрын
The steam deck is marketed as an alternative to windows gaming. If valve removed emulation from the steam deck everyone would just install windows, and steam os would die. Emulation has been driving the sales of the steam deck since launch basically. And then you have all of the chinese companies releasing small handheld emulation devices. If nintendo wants a fight they're going to have to fight everybody. My guess this is an independent decision by microsoft, and has little or nothing to do with nintendo.
@sixdroid Жыл бұрын
@@ransacked they keep with that bullshits. they don't know. they should stop writing bullshits about this thread
@sixdroid Жыл бұрын
@@FriedEgg101 wtf you saying? another bullshit. steam deck is not just emulation and every emulator runs on Linux. you keep saying bullshits.
@RacerX- Жыл бұрын
As you said, this was inevitable. EMU devs found a loophole and exploited it. Did anyone really think that MS was not going to plug the loophole? It's a shame but totally expected.
@VADemon Жыл бұрын
The Stockholm Syndrome is strong. People calling _the freedom to run own programs_ (on the hardware you bought) a "loophole".
@someguy4957 Жыл бұрын
but at the same time they're dictating what someone can do with a piece of hardware they paid for...
@hansennoah1 Жыл бұрын
@@someguy4957its sad that this standard is seen as unachievable and "too good to be true" today
@demontferrat Жыл бұрын
@@someguy4957 you can still run emulators as long as you go dev mode. They are basically limiting what you can do on retail mode and if you were at risk of legal processes from Nintendo or sad devs that see their games(from Xbox OG era) being emulated for free instead of purchased through the store, you’d do the same. You can still do whatever you want with your hardware as long as it’s not in retail mode, you can do way more than you can do on a switch or a PS5.
@VeProducctions Жыл бұрын
@@demontferrat There's nothing illicit or illegal about using an emulator, that lawsuit would never stick. If Microsoft thinks that emulating is illegal then they would have blocked emulators in dev mode as well, it isn't like a game dev who was upset about emulation is suddenly going to be ok with it because you have to pay MS $20 for a dev mode license.
@retrogamer64007 Жыл бұрын
When Xenia was added that crossed the line. Microsoft got aggressive because it’s own console was being emulated
@SYS_Alberto Жыл бұрын
That's a cope.
@systemmonitor5295 Жыл бұрын
With Dolphin coming to Steam, what if Microsoft starts listing emulators in their Microsoft Store as standalone apps?
@funfact6880 Жыл бұрын
MS doesn't care that much about their customers to do it.
@soundspark Жыл бұрын
Apparently RetroArch is listed in the command-line Winget store.
@JoeStuffzAlt Жыл бұрын
It gets tricky with game licenses. It would be legal if you have the original disc. However, that can get complicated quickly
@Imseeking Жыл бұрын
They are looking into it!
@soundspark Жыл бұрын
@@Imseeking The message seemed to suggest they'd only approve specific apps specifically licensed by game or platform developers.
@armstrong1990 Жыл бұрын
I had thought Dev mode was the only way to utilize homebrew emulators. I haven't looked into dev mode on my Xbox One X but may start looking into that soon!
@sbrader97 Жыл бұрын
It was originally dev mode only for years but they had added a way to install apps which arent in the store in retail mode but now there blocking it
@MMOchAForPrez Жыл бұрын
I thought they restricted consumer access to dev mode in the past couple years. Am I wrong?
@TheMahayanist Жыл бұрын
@@MMOchAForPrez no. That was just an error on their side. Dev mode is still available afaik (,I don't use it since I got my Steam Deck lol)
@sbrader97 Жыл бұрын
@MMOchAForPrez I think it was just a mistake that they disabled some peoples dev mode access they renabled there access once they realised the mistake
@coleas2 Жыл бұрын
Dev mode requires more setup that the retail mode but once you understand it it's pretty easy
@sylvoen Жыл бұрын
this kinda stuff is why i wish xbox had a bigger modding\hacking scene. i assure you, knowing microsoft, whatever measures they put in place to block emulators from launching are ridiculously easy to circumvent if you put enough time and effort into it.
@Cracko298 Жыл бұрын
I could care less that Microsoft patched this. I only ever used Developer Mode.
@solidsnake6405 Жыл бұрын
Xbox can't be modded past the 360. Hackers rely on software exploits, but since the vast majority of Ones and Series are kept updated this route can't happen.
@BlackBirdNL Жыл бұрын
It's already easy to circumvent. Pay a small fee and run your console in dev mode.
@lostdeath4202 Жыл бұрын
@@solidsnake6405 not really I have a Mod Chip in my OG Xbox. You can bypass hardware and if it’s dependent on that hardware you can bypass a specific part of that hardware.
@RandomGuy37 Жыл бұрын
Anything Microsoft does is easy to circumvent. Windows 11 system requirements anyone?
@StudiosUntold Жыл бұрын
Tips from someone that uses Dev Mode with zero issues: 1. Use Safe Exit to leave Dev Mode. Everytime. 2. Never use the internal storage for your side loaded apps 3. Use a USB 3.0 drive. I have a 128GB drive and it has more than enough space for all of my games and files 4. Go to settings and change your default menu to Retail Mode. This will make your Xbox have the normal home screen when you go into Dev Mode instead of the Dev Home.
@shidoengie9503 Жыл бұрын
Welp here starts the cat and mouse game of homebrew....
@EvilishDem0nic8732WhatItDo Жыл бұрын
And How!
@Harmonic14 Жыл бұрын
Nah, dev mode is still a thing
@le4-677 Жыл бұрын
MVG and your empty threats 🤣🤣 If you can’t afford $20, you have bigger problems than hacking a console
@dewottmaster7720 Жыл бұрын
It's always Nintendo that pulls the plug on people having good fun, that's why I stick to Dolphin on the PC since then, Nintendo can't do a thing but cry as they kiss my ass.
@joesterling4299 Жыл бұрын
Right. Why even try emulating on garden-walled platforms? Play on open platforms like the PC. No one can block that.
@Krushak8888 Жыл бұрын
If it involves games that aren't being sold, I can say yes, but there are people out there jail breaking switches to run anything or ps4s/ps5s... and yet you act like a company doesn't have a right to stop it
@dewottmaster7720 Жыл бұрын
@@Krushak8888 Nintendo workers aren't going to struggle to put food on the table because I'm emulating Paper Mario TTYD from 2004.
@Theraider-ki6ez Жыл бұрын
@@dewottmaster7720 Greedy pigs.
@tgheretford Жыл бұрын
Until they pressure Microsoft to mandate SmartScreen on every Windows install and block emulators there too. At that point, the only option will be Linux.
@lezlienewlands1337 Жыл бұрын
This power to block installed apps is concerning. What happens if the Microsoft backend gets hacked, or a rogue employee with access just decides to block whatever they want?
@funfact6880 Жыл бұрын
Anything, that's what you get when you buy a console. Rental hardware and software.
@michealfunickrr3717 Жыл бұрын
As long as you set your Xbox offline open each game whilst online set offline then open each game again offline you will not loose access to your games. If hacks arrive you can safely enter Microsoft network risk free. My Xbox series x has been offline since Nov 2021 I get a few errors but they should go away once hacks are released and Microsoft is blocked by DNS and spoofing. And a fatal crash interceptor. Let’s hope!
@michealfunickrr3717 Жыл бұрын
Settings: set Xbox as HOME xbox.
@michealfunickrr3717 Жыл бұрын
Highlight: I get a few errors but they should go away once hacks are released
@michealfunickrr3717 Жыл бұрын
The dreaded DRM errors. I should’ve wrote them down... I’m sure you can find them if you need to. Anyways let’s hope that fixes ALL those errors!
@MissFoxification Жыл бұрын
In other words MS got a letter from Ninty's legal team.
@GrigorEftimov Жыл бұрын
Nintendo is literally the Karen of videogames.
@Knaeckebrotsaege Жыл бұрын
@n n look at the previous sht nintendo has done (or attempted to do and failed miserably) and tell me with a straight face that it isn't karen levels of crazy to want to copyright strike tens of thousands of YT channels for having uploaded any content from a nintendo console in video form. and that's just ONE thing they tried to do to stick a giant middle finger into everyones face
@Knaeckebrotsaege Жыл бұрын
@n n you don't seem to be getting what i was referencing. in the early-ish days of YT, nintendo tried to send mass takedowns and copyright strikes to *any* channel that had uploaded *any* nintendo game, or anything related to it (music, pixel art, old tv ads etc). I'm not talking about YT channels linking downloads or anything, and this isn't just a theoretical tool, they did actually do this crap, and then had to backpedal when half of YT and the press revolted
@V1CT1MIZED Жыл бұрын
An azure dev said Microsoft wants to add emulators officially. They just need to figure the legality of it all. Edit: this is mentioned in the video
@mmpsp693 Жыл бұрын
Emulators are legal in the US, and in several other countries, there's no debate on this. Roms and bios must be provided by the user, as they are still copyrighted
@erxer1 Жыл бұрын
I think it's more an issue with licensing any copyrighted assets rather than the legality of emulation itself
@KevKlopper Жыл бұрын
yeah we all know they will never make a "legal" emulator where you just have to supply an illegal bios ... not happening
@GrandmaSledgehammer Жыл бұрын
Could mean more emulation sites getting taken down if that happens?
@Finnishmanni Жыл бұрын
If microsoft is going to make their "own" nintendo and sony console emulators with resolution tweaks etc, they could really get in trouble. I mean with this the other companies could sue them for making a way to play their older games, but with better resolution and performance. The other companies' could be planning to re-release these older games on their systems and thus microsoft is bringing their future sells down. Even if it's the users who are providing their "own" games, this will still look bad for microsoft. IF microsoft would win the case, it means that sony and nintendo could as well make their "own" emulators and thus people could just play every systems games on every system. That could set back microsofts plans to have gamepass on other consoles too. Why even have a gamepass if you can already play most of the games for free. Why even buy the switch online if you can play every retro game on every system already, why buy the PS plus higher tiers when you can play every retro game on every console... FOR FREE. I really dont see a future where this is going to happen.
@raphaeltoast Жыл бұрын
"In the future, you'll own nothing and enjoy it"
@Beyondfreshken Жыл бұрын
It was only a matter of time feel bad for all the people who bought this console just for emulation purposes and now they have nothing of value to do with it
@xFierceDeityx-wx5nh Жыл бұрын
just buy a pc, its the God of Emulation.
@singletona082 Жыл бұрын
I didn't realize emulators were in retail mode i thought it was always in dev mode.
@kitemett Жыл бұрын
yeah same.. Finding out after the effect. Nintendo threatened to sue with also mentioning it will allow hacking to find weaknesses in the system for an open hack. Of course they were going to fold.
@le4-677 Жыл бұрын
You were properly misguided, otherwise you may have tried it in retail mode like the other dummies
@crystalwater505 Жыл бұрын
Same. Surprised they were available through their legit store.
@sixdroid Жыл бұрын
he even made a video
@Stormlywing Жыл бұрын
@@crystalwater505 Sadly Google don`t face Nintendo FINES and thier apps that can steam movies for FREE you will see many PS1 to PPSSPP emulators which may emulator DS GAMES
@MisterAlexEsquire Жыл бұрын
I switched from Dev Mode to Retail when the whole "whitelist" thing went away in favor of just Discord notifications. I don't like the dual-boot rebooting (as I do have a few XB games), and I also found it challenging to update my Dev Mode apps. Additionally, I did have a couple of accidental wipes of my Dev Mode partition... which is easier to do than I'd like and which is a non-issue in Retail Mode. But oh, well. It's kind of a moot comparison at this point. I'll have to set up Dev Mode again from scratch if I want to run my emulators.
@flaking305 Жыл бұрын
This is why I always prefer to buy the disc of a game
@Mospen Жыл бұрын
This change is not surprising but I'm glad it appears Dev Mode will remain available to utilize for emulators going into the future. Licensing and business relationships are tricky things to maintain and I totally see why Microsoft enacted this policy change. Great video and thoughts MVG!
@avae5343 Жыл бұрын
Dev mode is next, they’re not gonna let you sideload Xenia and play pirated 360 games. Patching that out in dev mode is taking longer hence it’s fine right now.
@davidhalper6447 Жыл бұрын
@@avae5343 so basically just dont update, or roll back if possible? I don't know adam from eve here, but isn't this a story as old as time?
@avae5343 Жыл бұрын
@@davidhalper6447 Did you buy your series s as an emulation box?
@tristanraine Жыл бұрын
@@avae5343 are you stupid? an azure dev literally said they not going to touch dev mode, also if they block that, they'll just make differently signatured program since dev mode allows you to run any UWP custom apps.
@supersaiyaman11589 Жыл бұрын
why did they not block developer mode on Xbox consoles but blocked retail mode for emulators.
@Punisher6791 Жыл бұрын
Thank Nintendo and their bloodthirsty Lawyers.
@mpowerness92 Жыл бұрын
Imagine relying on Xbox for emulators. Geez, it literally requires an internet connection. They can lock you out at any time.
@Yuuri066 Жыл бұрын
@@mpowerness92 imagine clowning on people for enjoying their system of choice. Geez.
@RetroChiZ Жыл бұрын
Geez
@sixdroid Жыл бұрын
Nintendo what? they cannot stop emulators. stop with that bullshits.
@toadsage Жыл бұрын
Imagine blaming Nintendo for this and not Microsoft, the friendliest trillion dollar company in the world
@mistermars9534 Жыл бұрын
I'd be perfectly fine with paying 20 bucks for dev mode if it wasn't for the credit card requirement. Barely anyone in Europe uses a credit card.
@dubjubs7 ай бұрын
That's because they have other means of getting their information whether for paying or personal since they let their governments do it to them.
@shirakani Жыл бұрын
I'd just sell the stupid xbox citing 'it violates my ownership policy' and get a PC instead. Not like there's anything worth playing on xbox that isn't on PC.
@rustyshackleford5166 Жыл бұрын
Titanic: Unsinkable ship PS3: unhackable console Me: when will we learn?
@michealfunickrr3717 Жыл бұрын
Super Wii U: will never happen Me: purchased a Wii U dev kit v4 unreleased 3gb ram ntsc-j 320gb internal HDD complete w/PC software disk, I have hopes of breaking into much of the hardware.
@ProjectDv2 Жыл бұрын
NGL, I've been under the impression this whole time that you need to be in developer mode to run emulators. This is literally the first I've heard that it could be done in retail mode.
@brokenhero6828 Жыл бұрын
Me too! So it’s not a big deal apparently? Because from what I remember getting Dev mode is easy and under $30? I never heard of stock xbox playing emulators
@ProjectDv2 Жыл бұрын
@@brokenhero6828 like, I remember MVG doing a video specifically on emulation on the Xbox Series, and I swear he said you have to switch to Developer Mode. I'm so confused these days.
@brokenhero6828 Жыл бұрын
@@ProjectDv2 Bro same! LOL. Are you into tech in general? Ryzen 7040 cpus coming out promising 30 hours of video playback battery life on laptops.. seems a little too good to be true.
@ProjectDv2 Жыл бұрын
@@brokenhero6828 I am, but I only keep up with computer component tech when I'm ready to upgrade. It's too exhausting for me to follow it all, all of the time. But I'm with you, that seems dubious, and they *always* lie about specs like this. That's probably the absolute maximum possible battery life after turning literally everything imaginable down to the lowest possible settings. In other words, not a fucking realistic stat and basically utterly useless to the average person.
@gregoryrousseau5155 Жыл бұрын
A bit sad how "emulation" has become a dirty word in recent times. These older systems are so valuable for research, inspiration and education. Not to mention the archival aspect, as many of these games (roms) and systems are no longer available in any legitimate way.
@lpnp9477 Жыл бұрын
Really? I feel like it's become more accepted recently. Mostly people feeling it's justified when you can't buy the old games anymore.
@NimhLabs Жыл бұрын
Recent times? It has been a dirty word since at least the 90s. Listed as illegal hacking topics on forums and chat channels along with warez, trainers and MP3s Remember how MP3s were inherently illegal and that there is no legitimate/legal way to have one? x3 x3 x3 Though, in that list dirty 1337zors haxxors topicz (rules require that be spelled with far too many zs, xs and numbers for letters--to appease the dark gods of the 1990s) the place of MP3s has been taken up with "Torrents" (despite it not being spelled Torrentz... or xX_69Torrentz420_Xx). The council of 1337 topics is still filled... er... I mean "fillz0r3dz j0 j0 j0"
@gregoryrousseau5155 Жыл бұрын
@@lpnp9477 accepted by the average person yes... But the companies still don't see the value. They would rather sit on an intellectual property for 4 decades and do nothing with it, than let enthusiasts and fans enjoy it and keep the memories alive.
@rennmaxbeta Жыл бұрын
Emulation has been a dirty word for about 25 years, bro
@gregoryrousseau5155 Жыл бұрын
@@rennmaxbeta That's true. It still sucks though
@bpcgos Жыл бұрын
What concern me is how easy they can revoke that apps from your machine without hesitation
@funfact6880 Жыл бұрын
That's what happens when you rent a console from Microsoft.
@TekMerc Жыл бұрын
I would imagine that part of their agreement with Nintendo to get them to support their Activision acquisition included them removing *edit* the ability to emulate */edit* Nintendo properties from their store.
@M_CFV Жыл бұрын
This is more than that, theyve always removed the emulators from the stores. This is blocking people from using the apps they downloaded months ago. Also, emulators aren't "nintendo properties". No nintendo properties were uploaded except arguably AM2R with its assets, which surprisingly, AM2R still launches.
@TekMerc Жыл бұрын
@@M_CFV indeed so, but Nintendo are pretty infamous for legal action (actual or threatened), not to mention lobbying for laws, to protect their properties against a multitude of entities who may or may not deserve such action. I can imagine that this is just collateral. Anyway, just my uninformed opinion. Could of course be completely off the mark.
@magicjack4076 Жыл бұрын
Even if it’s not Nintendo property, they might be a little upset seeing Mario 64 being played on Xbox so to get the deal signed with Nintendo they got to block emulators. Microsoft can say that the emulators on retail mode breaking tos are banned and everything in dev mode is fine cause they have no say in what files developer’s download in a walled of sandbox
@sixdroid Жыл бұрын
wtf you saying? it's Nintendo business to have cod running on switch. they earn from that, more then Microsoft. you can't say they said to Microsoft to remove something to have cod running on switch? what? they earn from that more then Microsoft
@sixdroid Жыл бұрын
@@magicjack4076 bullshits. Mario 64 runs from years in every emulators. they cannot do anything about the emulator. it's legal. stop with that bullshit. emulators are legal.
@huldu Жыл бұрын
It's very sad to see things like this happen but more about what you said about them blacklisting things whenever they see fit and there is little you can do about it. Just one of those things I really dislike about live services.
@Just_normal_youtube_channel Жыл бұрын
Bro, people were emulating 360 games. Of course Xbox had to shut it down. And this “app” they blacklisted couldn’t even be accessed by normal means. It was never approved of in the first place.
@lpnp9477 Жыл бұрын
It's this kind of thing that drove me away from consoles. Nothing is yours, everything is transient, you will play the newest thing only and like it!
@TheOneToKeepYouWaiting Жыл бұрын
@@lpnp9477 PC doesn’t even have physical copies. In the unlikely event that steam shuts down, everything goes down with it.
@RiasatSalminSami Жыл бұрын
@@TheOneToKeepYouWaiting Piracy is the only way to ensure preservation for both consoles and pcs unfortunately.
@user-wj6jh1cd5n Жыл бұрын
@@TheOneToKeepYouWaiting PC does have physical copies. People are just less likely to go out and get them when they can just download it, though.
@Scerttle Жыл бұрын
This behaviour from Microsoft is a big blow to consumer confidence in digital storefronts on consoles, especially when observed alongside Nintendo shutting down the 3DS/WiiU shops, IMO.
@MikeLeitner Жыл бұрын
The thing is, I don't see why this is really a issue. The benefit is, you don't get cheaters on Xbox. And this is a big one. It's bigger for me than the ability for Microsoft to block any app. BTW, this is not new and Microsoft already said that this is the case on Xbox one.
@kazikoFPV Жыл бұрын
@@MikeLeitner this has nothing to do with cheaters what are you on about mate?
@MikeLeitner Жыл бұрын
@@kazikoFPV it def has. Disallowing unauthorized code to run is a big one, how Xbox is running games is basically the reason they can block emulators afterwards and it’s the same how they could block exploits. The signing of the game, and it’s running meta data is stored only online and you need to be online with a offline Xbox for some time in 30 days I think, cause of expiring keys. As said Microsoft explained it in a 1h or longer video, how Xbox security architecture works, the by product is just the result of this and already worked since Xbox one days.
@John-oe6pp Жыл бұрын
$20 for legal emulation is a small price to pay
@skootdiggity1301 Жыл бұрын
Dev mode sucks. I'd rather just use Launchbox and Bigbox if I can't emulate in retail mode.
@MarcusBeebe Жыл бұрын
Why did this change, one word "Nintendo"
@matt92hun Жыл бұрын
Daily reminder that companies are not your friends.
@Xanduur Жыл бұрын
Yep. Once this happened, I sold my Xbox Series X and bought a Steam Deck for emulation. My PS5 and Switch are more than enough.
@awood2226 Жыл бұрын
You can still emulate in dev mode
@SRC267 Жыл бұрын
See you later emulator
@DawnOfTheOzz Жыл бұрын
I mean, at least Dev Mode is still viable for modding but this is still a crushing blow for emulation. But I have to ask (and it may sound like a dumb question), could you still use Xenia or Dolphin in Retail Mode if you run your Series X or S without an internet connection to bypass them getting blocked or is that a no go?
@awaisgill3680 Жыл бұрын
nope just tried it it gives an error
@eddiew.4650 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call it a crushing blow when there's dozens of other options for emulation other just using an Xbox.
@SuperHitman55 Жыл бұрын
Maybe if your console was and remains in offline mode before they blocked it, possibly
@jspantonio8807 Жыл бұрын
Not a crushing blow at all
@SuperHitman55 Жыл бұрын
@@jspantonio8807 Yeah I personally don't care about emulation on Xbox. The option for dev mode is still there for now, atleast
@Deadguy2322forreal Жыл бұрын
Classy of MS to not do anything about emulators until Xenia got released on the system.
@thecastiel69 Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile Steam is adding more emulators(Dolphin recently)
@rorychivers8769 Жыл бұрын
This is what will forever separate consoles from PC's . The idea that anyone has final word over what kind of software you can run or develop on your PC is laughable, it directly contradicts the basic principle of the system, but in the console world, it's the just the norm and is accepted.
@Valery0p5 Жыл бұрын
Last time Sony removed Linux from the ps3 its security got completely destroyed...
@stapuft Жыл бұрын
emulation is not only LEGAL but its a generally GOOD THING.
@versacebroccoli7238 Жыл бұрын
Why would you trust Microsoft to not just disable dev mode in the future? It seems like custom firmware is the real path forward.
@GenGamesUniverse Жыл бұрын
I mean they did before, so they can do it again.
@EmperorMAR Жыл бұрын
I started in dev mode and then moved to retail when the apps were up. It was nice to jump quickly between emulators and series games but I'm glad to still have the power of the box in dev mode
@jst_TV Жыл бұрын
Until Microsoft starts disabling and limiting what you can run in dev mode, like what Sony did with PS3 Linux. At this point the Series X is pointless as an "emulation" station, it's less complicated to go with a PC setup and more reliable, you won't have to worry about programs disabled and removed silently and without warning like on the Xbox. Plus you don't have to deal with the god awful UI that is Xbox One Metro
@CheapBastard1988 Жыл бұрын
This kind of BS is why I no longer bother with consoles.
@danboid Жыл бұрын
Its things like this that validate my long-standing decision to only run Linux and open source software.
@jspantonio8807 Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Ayo090 Жыл бұрын
the gaming industry is going ham on emulation rightnow.
@ThunderTHR Жыл бұрын
The current gaming market suuuuucks at the moment. Atleast give us the chance to experience the older libraries properly. Emulation is preservation. (I apologize for previously wording this comment terribly, as I read the original poster's comment initially wrong.)
@DuckAlertBeats Жыл бұрын
@@ThunderTHR what??
@sechscomic73130 Жыл бұрын
@@ThunderTHR What is PCSX2 then? And i know you use that, you used it for a video before. Also, Emulation enhances the experience of playing a game flat-out, compared to what (for example) Nintendo offers with their spit into your face 50€ a year subscription plan (which is dumb because why would you pay that for terrible online + games you were able to buy outright before vs. something like Xbox Live Gold)
@MalikATL Жыл бұрын
@@ThunderTHR why because you want people to pay for games that’s not being sold 😢
@winlover37 Жыл бұрын
Imagine that, emulation becomes insanely popular when the AAA space continues to stagnate.
@MetallicBlade Жыл бұрын
Have people already forgotten to what Sony did to the PS3 with its advertised 'OtherOS' feature? They removed it permanently after a certain firmware version. These companies never cared about keeping their legacy titles alive and accessible. All three are guilty of these BS tactics. Don't even give them an inch of trust. They will eventually betray you by a mile.
@madcat4563 Жыл бұрын
I always expected something to happen, but yeah, It's sad. Not that I used it much, but it sucks losing the ability to do so.
@davidlandrum Жыл бұрын
So, it’s Nintendo’s fault. 🤨
@joesterling4299 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, they chose to protect their IP. They're very serious about that, and for good legal reasons. The real surprise is that emulators were allowed on Xbox retail mode all this time. I had no idea. Seems unprecedented to me. It was only a matter of time before they went away. If it hadn't been Nintendo, it would have been someone else (e.g., Sony).
@vidarCRC Жыл бұрын
As usual.
@jasonmartinez5116 Жыл бұрын
It can be blamed on Sony too
@Knaeckebrotsaege Жыл бұрын
as per effing usual. Starting to really hate that clownshow of a company (remember when they tried to take down what felt like half of YT because it had _any_ content from them in it?)
@jasonmartinez5116 Жыл бұрын
@Wild And that won't happen because Rare is owned by Microsoft
@jessragan6714 Жыл бұрын
I'd tell you what I think, but this is a G-rated KZfaq page... The $200,000 question is this: can dev mode also be revoked or restricted? I'm not paying twenty dollars for a week of emulation and an angry note from Microsoft wondering why I'm screwing around with RetroArch and not actually developing software.
@ogolow570 Жыл бұрын
My question too. I'm very hesitant to get dev mode incase they pull this shit again
@Qualjyn Жыл бұрын
I wish some members of the community would be more responsible in the way they talk about features like this. Too many people (whether out of honest ignorance, Xbox fanboyism, or sensationalist clickbaiting) promote features like this without providing the caveat that they can be restricted or taken away by Microsoft. Thank you MVG for always striving to be honest, unbiased, and well informed when you talk about topics like this.
@rpavlik1 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I don't trust any digital purchases on a closed platform, even though it is a little annoying to have to swap cartridges. They can still steal your purchase if they want to (see the way Blu-Ray discs work, with an updated ban list on each release) but it's a little bit harder at least. (Yeah licensed not sold bla bla bla. I could buy used SNES cartridges. I can sell used books. Etc...)
@chronology556 Жыл бұрын
What do you do about PC games? GOG doesn’t have the biggest or best library.
@crystalwater505 Жыл бұрын
Well said. This is why I only buy digital through PC. Seam, GOG have been around forever while on the closed platform it's up to the console creators to shut the store down whenever they see fit and they have no competing digital front.
@Manic_Panic Жыл бұрын
That's why I will never buy an Xbox console ever again and I own the classic Xbox and the 360. I got a PS4, used it well and now it's just jailbroken so that I never lose my games, physical or digital. I can even backup (and edit) my saves without PS Plus. This is good to preserve on disc pre order content or bypass the grind in more monetized games. And as it has been mentioned, buying digitally on PC is fine. I own some delisted games from years ago on Steam and they're still playable. Even if they weren't somehow, there are other ways ^^
@rpavlik1 Жыл бұрын
Honestly? I'd be more comfortable with PC games but I don't honestly play many.
@mrsev765 Жыл бұрын
Nintendo forces Microsoft to close access to emulators, MrSujano has a video up, has emails from microsoft saying they had to do it because of legal action from Nintendo & that Microsoft are looking for ways to get "legal" emulation back on xbox.
@crystalwater505 Жыл бұрын
Microsoft and Nintendo have a partnership and that really is the only reason. Microsoft wants their good relations with Nintendo to stand.
@Theraider-ki6ez Жыл бұрын
Did you watch this video, it was stated in this one, talk about trying to be heard in a echo chamber.
@runninginthe90s75 Жыл бұрын
@@crystalwater505 This only means goodbye to COD deals on Nintendrone console because ShitTendo ruined their relation with Microsoft by pulling this BS move.
@ratix98 Жыл бұрын
I literally picked up the Xbox x like last month because dos peaked my interest as something else i can do on the system. Now I have to pay a one time fee to do that? What a slap to the face! I was disappointed when Sony removed other os from the ps3 and now I'm disappointed again with Microsoft but not as much since they pretty much closed the gate.
@Mastersaifer Жыл бұрын
sure is funny how Phil Spencer went on and on about the importance of emulation for games preservation, and he got heaps of praise for saying the right thing (again), but when push came to shove as soon as they got challenged on it, they backed off and threw us under the bus... Thanks, Microsoft!
@flamingscar5263 Жыл бұрын
I expected to see this, MS is probably worried about applications that try to exploit the consoles OS, I personally haven't seen any but there would have been nothing stopping this if an exploit was found There's a reason dev mode is so restrictive, unfortunate this is happening but entirely expected by me
@avae5343 Жыл бұрын
Microsoft don’t care about that. They only started to pretend to care when Xenia was ported.
@sneakingelephant Жыл бұрын
That ps3 comment is key. I remember how blazingly fast people got the ps3 hacked after Sony closed down the systems otherOS
@hmm_norah Жыл бұрын
The days of wanting emulators on everything is fast fading in my opinion. I don't really care to be able to emulate on a given console when I have a PC that can stream the game anywhere in my house. The performance is far better and you don't have to hope that someone ports something to your specific device or keep your console offline/cfw solution and worry about being banned because PC is always the primary platform. That doesn't mean I am happy to see this go, but I doubt that we'll see the Xbox Series be jailbroken because of this, the alternatives are plenty. Contemporary example: You could hack your Switch to emulate games, sure... but the community tools for emulation on the Steam Deck are far more seamless. I use my Switch as an Android TV device though because interfaces that support a TV remote with decent user experience still aren't there for PC to say, watch KZfaq or Twitch. What we should be asking for in order to have true ownership of our hardware is the ability to run whatever OS we like, but that will never happen of course, so I get that being able to run emulators from the Microsoft Store is the concession that we're at. Something like Moonlight on the retail store would be great, and maybe it already is? I don't have an Xbox.
@StarsTeamMember Жыл бұрын
You guys can blame nintendo for this shit they've always been mad about emulation and probably got mad about dolphin on xbox
@kaschtelator Жыл бұрын
Emulation would have been the only reason for me to buy one of the consoles.
@ShawFujikawa Жыл бұрын
You still can through dev mode.
@Andrew12105 Жыл бұрын
@@ShawFujikawa how? I tried doing that last year and the Microsoft website would direct me to something different than the tutorials I watched. I had to settle for retail mode
@Jagosix Жыл бұрын
@n n - Seriously Dude..... Probably NOTHING FOR YOU to play. The other Millions of gamers, however, would disagree with you on that subject.
@B33FY2011 Жыл бұрын
@Jago Six Literally nothing on Xbox that interests me other than Forza which I can play on PC. The only reason I bought a Series X was for the emulation.
@Stormlywing Жыл бұрын
@@nn-dv3uf Than use Geforce now on PlayStation Oh wait none of them support it due to is may lead to Exploits like Exploits that allow xbox to play PC GAMES which is 2X the PS5 Power May not be an Exploit but is better than paying $100 for dev mode No dev mode required just their browser
@smudgey5000 Жыл бұрын
I was considering getting an extra Xbox as a emulation machine but what's stopping MS from doing this for dev mode as well?
@livingbox5654 Жыл бұрын
No way is that the real Yu from Persona 4 Golden? 😳
@ThomasVvV Жыл бұрын
Nothing. If they lose the legal battle for this they have to take it away as well, and they always can do it themselves. Nothing on Xbox is granted because it’s always online.
@svenabend360 Жыл бұрын
After this, it would be a stupid idea to only buy it for emulation. Future update will just remove Dev Mode or only “authorised” users can use it after paying $100 a year.
@CrossUnity Жыл бұрын
@@svenabend360 if they remove my dev mode i will sue them
@jorelplay8738 Жыл бұрын
Nothing, they basically “allow “ us to use dev mode as long as they see fit. Just like Linux on ps3, it might get removed with a simple software update.
@Cain532. Жыл бұрын
Your concerns with DRM are the exact reason why I prefer physical copies of both hardware and games.
@applehazeva2739 Жыл бұрын
with all due respect, arent physical media games nowadays like simply keys that download and launch an App Image? Like, MW2 on Disc is simply 2 MB and cant be installed locally without Internet
@Cain532. Жыл бұрын
@@applehazeva2739 Yes and no. It depends on the game and the manufacturer. I don't trust CoD, nor do I follow them so I wouldn't be surprised if they ship half baked nonsense on a disk. Older gen games like Xbox 360 games on Xbox One, you are correct. it's used as a sort of validation key which prompts the download of the assets into an emulator of sorts MVG has a much better explanation, I'm just simplifying it for the sake of brevity. Regardless, games like God Of War Ragnarok or other newer titles have the core game on the disk itself and rely on updates to patch and so forth, but it is far from a simple "key". It's a complex topic and I would need to buckle down and do more research on it, but that is how I understand the basics of it right now. I hope that clears things up a little!
@ryutenmen Жыл бұрын
And this boys and girls is what online dependency means - no freedom.
@juiceDpunk983 Жыл бұрын
Stay offline if it still works.
@ByeWorld Жыл бұрын
An offline xbox Series X/S is the dumbest thing ever actually
@skolastic9 Жыл бұрын
Not feasible for people who also play normal Xbox games on their console...
@a3705872 Жыл бұрын
I get a different error code
@juiceDpunk983 Жыл бұрын
I have a ps5 anyway. Xbox can stay offline i ain't fussed about online.
@jonathaningram8157 Жыл бұрын
@@juiceDpunk983 my ps5 is offline. Waiting for an hypervisor exploit that will never exist.
@alienfish8521 Жыл бұрын
A few years from now.... mistakes were made.
@kitemett Жыл бұрын
With Nintendo threatening to sue with also mentioning it will allow hacking to find weaknesses in the system for an open hack. Of course they were going to fold.
@Nobbie248 Жыл бұрын
Real reason is to monetise that 20 dollar fee *Microsoft rubs hands*
@SprockX2 Жыл бұрын
No, real reason is that Microsoft just made an agreement with Big N to bring games to the Switch and need to get through the ABK buyout. This is to keep on the correct side of the regulators and keep new partners happy.
@PoutingTrevor Жыл бұрын
@@Nobbie248Microsoft is worth more than $2070 billion, but yeh, they're wringing their hands over a few one-off $20 fees.
@Nobbie248 Жыл бұрын
@@PoutingTrevor ok ok relax guys. Would be pretty funny if true though 🤣
@Stormlywing Жыл бұрын
Don`t even care to take down Google emulators Which Holds all the emulators for DS and PS1 games
@HypnoGenX Жыл бұрын
Being able to take away existing functionality on a device you paid for is precisely why I haven't bothered with consoles since the Wii.
@francisyorkmorgan1341 Жыл бұрын
If only Nintendo allowed us to replay Gamecube/Wii games on their modern consoles.
@Yokimari Жыл бұрын
I had a feeling this was coming... it's why I never bothered with retail mode.. :(
@xFierceDeityx-wx5nh Жыл бұрын
its why i never even bothered to buy anymore consoles xD
@shotgun1995hot Жыл бұрын
I get why they did it. So it's like this if you sideload your emulator or app and if that emulator or app has malicious code inside and since this getting sign by Microsoft server it can pretty much make a backdoor for the attacker. And since the developer mod is like close off from the app Store any emulator,app or game is just on that device
@erxer1 Жыл бұрын
Ironically security reasons are why the ps3 had its Linux stuff disabled and we all know how that turned out. This probably isn't that major of a motivator for modders to try to find ways to mod the system yet but I guess time will tell.
@shotgun1995hot Жыл бұрын
@@erxer1 that the party line a major companies use, and after storm that happened at PS when they got hacked game consoles company don't want to take chances again
@AbdelkaderSokkah Жыл бұрын
yeah this might complicate things. the good news for me is VVVVVV & Sonic Time Twisted on my xbox is not impacted by its effects but the bad news is the rest of the emulators is impacted. so i guess it's back to NESBOX again. not to mention the Tnavigator (the Retrix clone) which apparently still works. (The game database update was broken & I only get to import games manually.)
@mr.awesomesauce8412 Жыл бұрын
I was considering getting an Xbox series s as an emulation box but I don't know anymore
@therealpathynes Жыл бұрын
I think whats interesting is microsoft has always toed the line of copyright issues like when they made mkv available on media player. I think the issue is here that they knew about the emulation issue, so if nintendo can prove in court that microsoft knew and didnt do anything theyre liable. If they take action like here they can say we did what we could, they have plausible deniability. They didnt completely remove functionality though. Ill give them that.
@williamscsharpwalkthroughs4316 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating, been watching some of your emulation documentaries so the timing here is interesting. Personally I've been quite surprised yet impressed that UWP emulators were being built and were running on Xbox, given the sand-box nature of the platform. Although, with the support and accessibility of UWP, it makes sense as an attractive platform that more or less natively supports all modern Windows devices from Windows 8 onwards.
@WeskerBioHazard Жыл бұрын
my Emulators still work on Xbox One i didnt update my console since february
@fabianramirez3222 Жыл бұрын
It was a security loophole indeed MS would patch sooner or later. As they took long to do it and probably did it pushed by Nintendo demands in exchange for their approval on Activision acquisition by MS it resulted in a big surprise to the community. I totally saw that coming, however, didn't imagine when.
@jst_TV Жыл бұрын
Surprise surprise that the "you can run emulators" info got out when the Xbox Series were slumping in sales and needed a pick-me-up for the holiday season, but as soon as the price cuts end and quarterly reports wrap up, then Microsoft disables this functionality 😂 MVG and his community took the bait hook line and sinker, were played like a fiddle
@RetroZwierz Жыл бұрын
Most of the 'private' software running on retail mode like OpenLara, Sonic (1,2,3), Heart of Darkness, FTP servers has also been banned. At least VVVVVV is still working 😁
@GenGamesUniverse Жыл бұрын
Sonic 1 SMS and Sonic 2 SMS still work. Same with AM2R
@Ipsissimus Жыл бұрын
That's great. I love it when companies show incredible hostility towards customers. Makes for excellent internet drama. And funniest of all, people still give them money xD
@georgie9303 Жыл бұрын
Did you even watch the video? Nintendo got name dropped for blocking it.
@ginx2666 Жыл бұрын
Console owners are whipped enough that they will find excuses to like being abused by microsoft, sony or nintendo. There's no saving slaves who are willing.
@168original7 Жыл бұрын
Yea yea yea pirating old asss games is hostility towards consumers. No one buys an Xbox to emulate games.
@Ipsissimus Жыл бұрын
@@georgie9303 And that changes my comment how? Nintendo is known for its hostility.
@Mojave05555 Жыл бұрын
Blame Nintendo
@_Paul_N Жыл бұрын
How dare you try to actually have fun on a console that already has no games!!!! 🤣💀
@fazboisproductionsfan Жыл бұрын
What bothers me most is that the file explorer and ftp apps don't work anymore.
@zZFlaviusBoss Жыл бұрын
Yes if those still worked I wouldn't have been this upset but now I can't even put custom mods, textures, skins on minecraft which you could do for free on android and pc =/
@Kabodanki Жыл бұрын
Xbox just lost the only nice thing they had
@deedeemerry1295 Жыл бұрын
very true...
@gamingguy9006 Жыл бұрын
Always found developer mode more interesting!
@leckallen2350 Жыл бұрын
Just pay the 20$
@lisov4575 Жыл бұрын
no. its supposed to be FREE.
@NightcoreClips_ Жыл бұрын
Alayna just confirmed that the xbox one and series could’ve been finally “cracked” with these emulators. Shame no one really bothered to exploit the system or find a way to put in some kind of backdoor.
@Dre-ib6si Жыл бұрын
Haven't touched my emulators in a few weeks. Tried to get back in yesterday and was highly pissed. Knew the shit wouldn't last forever. Just too good to be true. Literally had 5 difference consoles in 1. And it worked like a charm like any other game or app. 😢
@Mojave05555 Жыл бұрын
Nintendo when others platform run their games better than them 🤯
@Stormlywing Жыл бұрын
and think if Xbox series X able to play PS3 games old games support for XBOX
@W0lfenstrike Жыл бұрын
I always thought it was too good to be true, but if it's still possible to run these games on dev mode, then it just adds a bit of an inconvenience barrier to it, it shouldn't be a problem for people who are already familiar with emulators. But still, de-listing games is one thing, but outright BLOCKING already installed apps should raise more eyebrows.
@umamifan Жыл бұрын
Personally I don't think it should. Just because the user installed it doesn't mean they're entitled to have access to it. The entire point is that it was acquired through a source (MS store) that had deleted it due to violations of the terms. So ofc it would make sense to extend it to the apps as well, since they would be running term breaking apps from retail mode otherwise. And downloading something isn't owning the product either. People should've just stuck with dev mode from the beginning instead of doing this over and over with retail mode and then getting into a fit when MS shuts down the retail nonsense completely. People knew better but still tried it anyways. Dev mode users don't need all of this attention due to the shit dudes would pull with the retail mode stuff. I mean seriously, did they not expect MS to care about the fact that they were putting Xenia onto the MS store? Like, come ON now... People know better than this.
@avae5343 Жыл бұрын
@@umamifan So they’re gonna take down emulators in dev mode. They’re not going to allow you to install Xenia in dev mode..
@umamifan Жыл бұрын
@@avae5343 I’m not sure, but at the end of the day, emulation on the Xbox was never officially given the green light. It’s always just been “tolerated” by Microsoft. That can easily change though, since people are getting more and more ballsy and trying to use stuff such as Xenia which would now be competing with Microsoft for games that they already have available via backwards compatibility. I know there are certain perks to using Xenia, but at the same time it will also be understandable if Microsoft shuts it down due to creating a direct competitor in the emulation space on their own console…
@avae5343 Жыл бұрын
@@umamifan Retroarch retail was on there for a long time. 8 weeks after Xenia was ported they pulled the plug on everything. Same will happen in dev mode. They’ll update the OS to prevent any emulation apps in dev mode.
@umamifan Жыл бұрын
@@avae5343 it is possible. What I fear is if someone were to hypothetically put something like a switch emu on there. It would cause Nintendo to tell Microsoft to shut it down asap. People are getting way too cocky with this
@MrBirchieBirch Жыл бұрын
Not massively surprised retail mode emulation has been blocked tbh. It was a nice bonus, but was always going to be short-lived. At least they're still up and running in dev mode.
@StrikerZero6 Жыл бұрын
What's odd is, my PS2 emulator on retail mode still works... (Also, my dev mode account was shut down months ago as well without a given reason...)