your surname could scare, but you're in the right techno side😅

Nah just old man yelling at clouds

hardly@@datdude89

@@datdude89 nah man, living in Germany as a producer and dj this hard techno is shit. It's fine if you don't know electronic music, but every other genre is better. Want fast but rhythmic with vocals? listen to trance. Want hard and heavy? listen to industrial or hardcore techno. Want rhythm and dance? Listen to house or breaks/garage. Want vocal pop remixes with some groove? Listen to Tech house. Want to dance hard and sweat out all your energy? Listen to dnb or bassline. Want just good techno? Listen to techno. Literally every genre is better than hard techno. DVS1 is right- it's a gateway for young people to get into the music, but if you stay in hard techno you get bored after a few parties. It's just the nature of the beast when you make music to be generic. It gets stale.

God I hate that sound and the crowd so much 😂

Very true, I was just thinking the same thing. I've still got records from 20 years ago that would be considered very similar to todays fast techno trend, but obviously wasn't as trendy as it is now. I think what irks some people (DVS1 here, and myself included), is that this style of the techno can sometimes get confused/compared with other kinds of techno, by using the same terminology. For example, it could be like someone saying Led Zeppelin and Metallica play the same music simply because both come under the umbrella 'Rock' music... Personally I don't like the fast techno that's trending these days, and everything that goes along with it. It just doesn't feel like the same techno scene I've been part of for years. I'm hoping the trend doesn't last too long, and evolves into something I prefer...

eh, it isn't new @@Techy1210 it has been around way longer than what you say too

​@@aaof-d-mio-fv2fb I didn't mention when anything started. Learn to comprehend what you read...

It’s so adorable you think no one has ever heard polyrhythms outside of Detroit style techno. Bless your heart

DVS1 is great but i wouldnt say he's an artist that does what hasnt been heard. He's not a trailblazer but he's really solid at what he does

sound is crucial. a banging system demands respect. music first, but sound is very very important.

@@Brandonbraun Oh it is, thats not what I meant. I just enjoyed it most when the sound was not "directional", but felt all around. I guess the best example I can give is the Phonodrome in Hamburg and its dancefloor in the middle of huge walls.

oh for sure! that's a proper experience :)@@dodo7ger

Thats often a promoter issue in booking the wrong DJ's. You cant blame a DJ for being themself

Yeah, they'd fall in there in my opinion. Their style of techno ("big room") is very accessible and designed for massive audiences but they still have some bangers. I consider it a guilty pleasure.

Amelie Lens techno is more harsher/has more of an underground vibe/edge as opposed to Charlotte De Witte whos style is maybe slightly more mainstream?

😂 I’m gonna start saying that

Business techno

85-88.

@@dpalaoro that's damn early !! Trax , DJ International , KMS , Transmat & Jack Trax etc.....

@@dpalaoro hve you never listened to hardstyle or hard trance or hardcore before? Imagine being a kid born in the 90s. By the time you’re 10 or so and really into music you discover electronic music. And all these different styles. You listen to all of them. Trance. Hardcore. Hardstyle. Techno. Hard house. And you love all of them. One day you decided to become a producer. But you can’t decide what style you will produce. So you decide to just blend all of your influences together and create music that sounds like music ti would want to listen to. This is hard techno. Alignment. Doruksen. Sikoti. Luciid. Dyen. Cltx. CARV. Dica. The list goes on and on. It’s here to stay.

Dave Clarke , Jeff mills, circuit breaker on plus8 records, beast tamer on drum code. Etc etc .

@@brianreisert6563 amen

Belgium Big beat

Yeah, that minimal label is a wide net. Many different styles of "minimal techno" as well. You got Rob Hood Minimal You got DBX Minimal You got Ritchie Hawtin Minimal just a few examples. James Brown is dead is its own style and era too, and demographically, amd nationally where that style was coming from.

Dude’s been playing the 4x4 2008-2011 Berlin sound for years and acts like that is THE TECHNO

The "new" version of hardstyle isnt new, this is a repeat of the early 90's hard techno/gabber styles. Artists & DJ's are supposed to have opinions as that is how they define what they do & sets their style. It would be worse for a Dj to continually jump to every new trend on tik tok than to make a statement about what they actually stand for. There is no gatekeeping when the music is available on mainstream sites like YT. You dont have to like someone opinion, but this BS gatekeeping idea is just you not liking someone elses opinion

Cope harder😂 New mainstream tiktok rave is pure trash

social media

Capitalism big eye can see whatever is breaking underground and push it to generate money. Look what hapenned to punk rock. Or feminism. Primark selling femminist t shirt made from underpaid woman in Bangladesh. I loved dark club techno but I hate this mega festival marketplace techno. Bros invaded the scene.

Pandemic...?? Covid stucking in confined space with deprived anger and hold up emotions that's cause the rise of it..

😢 Techno is now mainstream making $$$ and views.

I feel like 2020 got people wanting something different. Something to cut the monotony and something to be a part of. The darker sound also reflected the emotions tied to that year. Just Mt opinion though.

Nina is way beyond most of the other famous girls artistically. At least she created a unique sound with Trip.

Tastes change man. Bleeps and bloops just don’t cut it for people anymore. When I go to clubs i want my ears to be transported to another dimension and frankly Detroit techno just doesn’t do it for me anymore like it used to. I grew out of it as opposed to what dsv1 claims. It just became too boring.

@@datdude89 Classic Detroit techno is not the only underground techno that exists and that DVS1 is referring to... So much more to try instead of today's hard techno Hayes recordings, SK11, Polegroup, Warmup, Mord to name big labels, Mathys Lenne for an artist example, etc

@@Panlado people who don’t like hard techno just can’t dance to those bpms. They always say it’s repetitive and boring but that’s how these artists sound yo me. I’ve listened to all of them and it doesn’t make me want to move at all. Techno snobs need to realize what they think is the hottest tracks to other people sound like bleeps and bloops.

@@datdude89 of course it does, true underground won’t please to the mass, as opposed to nowadays hard techno with cheesy remixes, enormous breakdown, buildups and drops… like EDM

@@Panlado or maybe the music you listen to is boring. Maybe it’s underground because it just isn’t that good.

Go look at a lot of the boilerroom sets of late, you can find some there

Verknipt

@@sticktothefacts8905 more like Verknipt. I don’t see a lot of hard techno on boiler room.

but the wood carver was played at 128 to 132 and not 140....

Above & beyond omg. Disastrous

nico moreno is the best exemple. I like his productions and dj sets, but the dj sets are closer to a hardcore/hardstyle set than a techno one. As well as the new hardtechno productions who are just early hardcore/hardstyle with some rawstyle kicks I would say. Artists like Nico Moreno, Dyen, jacidorex and many others make their living by posting on social media to have exposure and get more dates. 30 seconds of a 3h techno set will look boring, 30 seconds of a hardcore/techno set will look crazy and will bring people to your events. You will understand more what is said in the video and what I explained by looking into the instagram pages or youtube sets of those artists, not by listening to their productions actually

@@jeje7560 That just sounds like what us oldies would call hardcore. Didn't like it back in the 90's and still don't like it now :D

@@AUDIOPHILEHARDCOREeducate yourself bozo

@@AUDIOPHILEHARDCORE DVS1 lack of relevance lmfaooo

@HuibPiguillet - yes, very different in the states. I could understand how someone that lives elsewhere or in an area where electronic music is less polluted (the Netherlands) could see dvs1 in the way you do. Knowing his work and lifelong advocacy for techno, he really is on point here in regards to the generational cycle of edm.

@@Zinojnall the big cities in the US have the “underground” or “pure” techno scene. Just not as big as Amsterdam or Berlin obviously.

pure yap

The wall of sound goes back to the phil spector. He's the OG of that style of mixing. Ask around, before Phil came on the scene music was mixed quite differently. The dude revolutionized recorded music. But he also killed his landlady. 😂

I've been listening to techno for 20 years, electronics since 30 years. Including more obscure stuff. House, techno, goatrance, IDM etc... I went to a tiktok techno party last week and still had a lot of fun and the vibe was good. Everyone was a kid once and we all have to start somewhere. There's no shame in liking hard'techno'

House and techno are weird homosexual things originally, please do your research

@@recentlyhannahfound the leftoid😂

I could do it, want to collaborate?

@@SebastianGrantElKiva yeah lets try ...whick daw do you use?

@@snubdawg1386 I can do whatever but Logic I have used for a while. Stem bouncing is fine with me!

Fuck that. Techno should be kept secret and always underground. We've all seen what opening this shit up to the masses with cell phones in hands did to the scene. Keep that shit in a dark and dirty warehouse, as it was intended to.

@@drumcode420 bro techno as a genre hasn't been underground for 40 years. It's literally the most well known electronic genre, together with house. Just avoid venues and events where the masses go, and go underground parties with heads instead. Problem solved.

Man, can you give me some of these "most boring techno genre" artists? The names? You didn't mention any. I want to hear what this boring "Hard Techno" sounds like. All you mentioned was what you liked, but didn't mention what you didn't. Would be helpful to understand and illustrate your point.

​@@dpalaoroMost boring fast crap you can hear on HOR

@@EugeakaEugene What's HOR? Please and thank you!

Disagree, PLUR is fine but it definitely needs less half assed "artists"

it's not new but it's never been this popular, honestly its not even that hard, it's just alot of folks are playing 140+ now

Getting old is tough huh?

@@datdude89 hm?

@@briangarcia8384 yeah hearing and comprehension skills are the first to go.

Actually the DJs that have been around for 20+ years DO "trend hop." Trends change. Music changes. That's good. I'm 50+ and even the djs I remember in the 88-92 era, that are still around today have all changed and evolved their styles. Derrick May. Doc Martin Laurent Garnier Sven Vath. Just a few examples. All these dudes have changed their styles over the years.

none of the DJs you have listed play the style of techno being mentioned and are viewed as legacy acts and who still play 90s techno as part of their sets. They dont headline festivals today. Of course music progresses however the current ultra fast stuff is an entirely new genre. If you are known for a certain style its not easy to be accepted in another style. Thats why most DJs dont last. The current trend has little to do with music but social media. I have also been around since the start of acid house. @@dpalaoro

@@harryhill8543 the new stuff isn’t actually new at all. You’re very wrong. It’s kids who grew up on hardstyle, trance, techno, hard house, rave etc. and they are putting all of their influences together. This is how music works since the beginning of time. You must not be a musician. No musician wants to make the same type of music their whole life.

lol I am DJ and producer and as I said before I have been around since the 80s, the "new stuff" is Schranz with a bigger revebred rumble kick. Thats it. And who exactly are thes "kids" you are referring to? People who grew up on trace, hard house etc will be well past their 30s. Also this claim about being a musician is a joke. Producers/DJs have never claimed to be musicians, they make tracks to make money, they dont write songs they dont use a song structure and use melody etc. You also cannot mix certain genres without it sounding stupid because they simply do not fit well. Neither do the audiences. Most DJ/producers have zero training in music theory and dont play instruments. They will want to make the same music which is making them money the same with any artists who want to eat. The majority of good musicians stick to the same music. Otherwise there wouldnt be scenes or genres. Also try jumping into the techno world from another genre and you will find its a closed shop. There really is nothing new in dance music because it was all explored in the 90s. Its people who dont have an extensive knowledge that claim something is new because they havent heard of it. Its why you can play 90s tracks to young people and still blow their minds because they havent heard something before. We have a generation of kids who think something didnt exist because its not on google. @@datdude89

@@harryhill8543 Can you list some djs that have "been around for 20+ years because they didn't "trend hop?" I'm trying to understand your original post. If you can list some examples to support your original point, then that will help Thank you.

Hard Trance

@@ghostinplainsight4803 can't go wrong as long as it's Hard 👊

I don't think that's his point. He's He's more arguing that the current pop techno, that guises itself as hard techno is closer to pop thanto techno and that it does haave its merrits but thst it's more entry level music.