Or when the boss leaves and you miss an eye. Or when you get killed and lose two eyes, AND your next Life drifts 10s while you wait to get rezzed.

I've played DRG for years...and for some baindead reason it never hit me till reading your comment how much I was trying to resource save for an opening rotation against a boss, and when it failed I'm high and dry. I am still a bit disappointed about losing my eye buff for the teamwork it promoted but that ease of entering rotation will be well worth the trade

​@@00yiggdrasill00If they had made it mechanically similar to how Sage and Dancer selected their targets, then it would have been significantly better for the user side.

This is the first expansion I'm playing through as Dragoon, but I'm liking it so far.

As if it wasnt already the worst job to play at low levels in the whole game now I lose tons of damage with NOTHING TO COMPENSATE until 60 content... One less Geiskogul in exchange for a 20 potency increase every minute, but I guess the Eye buff is stronger, and more frequent so we're more of a selfish DPS which is appreciated. Still, very, very disappointed with this rework and the lack of any improvements we actually need. And no Ring of Thorns return either

@@Nazuiko To be fair RPR is by far the worst job to play in older content

The dash looks sick AF though, I can live with that. All jobs feel bad under 60, that's not something unique to dragoon, yes it may be the worst, but it's something that needs to be addressed and probably will in 8.0.

@@davidbernardino8109 there's a lot of jobs that don't feel bad under 60: DRG and MNK are both notably very robust at 50 still. But yeah I agree, it needs an overhaul and hopefully 8.0 does it

They really need to just keep the syncing to just damage and not the skills. It makes no damn sense from an RPG perspective. If you're a veteran adventurer and you've learnt all of these skills only to not be able to use them? Does not make sense. It makes more sense that a zone has restricted your strength so you do less damage more than something you probably action on a daily basis, it's like saying you can no longer throw a punch when you've thrown millions. New players are new players, a veteran is a veteran, it's pathetic that veterans actually have no way to show a new player that they're veterans other than knowledge. Everytime you tell your new friends, "Oh just hang on til you get to endgame" with nothing to show them in the moment other than maybe your mounts. The game world needs to be able to introduce a drive for new players to actually want to continue playing the game. Imagine being a new player and seeing a DRG do Stardiver... few will complain that it's unfair, but I know damn well a lot will be in awe. Besides the people complaining it's unfair will literally complain about everything either way, they're the Karens of MMORPG.

I had some hopes that DT drg rework will give us more jump mechanics, like, dunno, the og drg fantasy, but hey, there is still 8.0+... A man can dream, right? :D

@@LittleAngryOwl I'd be hard pressed to call this a rework, to be honest.

ALL the jumps, don't upgrade the jumps, just give more. I also wasn't upset to see the damage part of Spineshatter go away, just sad that they replaced the animation with essentially a glowy verion of the Monk dash.

Lmao,you speaking facts

​@@LittleAngryOwl yknow the generic forward dash we got COULD have still been a jump but like..I guess they didnt feel like it

Ye, they sould have just called it dive and removed the potency.

They keep being blind to that. They could have also removed the damage to Plunge, but noooo.

I might be in the minority with this but we have a lot of jump like abilities already so I don't mind just a normal dash gap closer. Plus thematically, I think it makes sense for a dragoon who channels dragon like abilities to have a movement ability called winged glide, they just need to add some more effects to it like spectral wings and not just the dragon head that is already on the dash. If DRG LB3 channels a huge spectral dragon head, I don't mind seeing that in a mini form with the movement ability, just missing some wings.

@@devilofgenisis i completely agree. we already have 500 different jumps that all do basically the same thing but have a different name. a generic dash between the jumps looks and feels better than just being a rabbit jumping nonstop

Yup. We are all not ok with that. Drg is meant to jump.

Funny thing is, he doesn't do that anymore there

I came to goon 4’10 The biscuit loose China wing A peanut butter house I’m beating it There’s 40 in the cow Lettuce spinach -Don Toliver aka Dr nefario king of goons

2 minute meta is boring

@@Sammysapphira Even before everyone was on a 2 min rotation you would still open a fight with your burst window, and DRG wouldn't get to put their biggest move into it. Being able to go into life in the opener is unrelated to the 2 min rotations.

Good suggestion but the skill should be called future of the dragon and upon failure the dragoon jumps up flips and hits the floor.

Yeah same here

agreed

Sight without tether is just empty

Yeah tbh

You mean Very High Jump?

Might be due to a lot of reasons. Could be that they started with a different idea and realised they needed to complete scrap that and start over, which led to the delay.

They said they wanted to reduce button bloat in the opener yet the new one has exactly the same number of button presses LOL

They like inflicting pain lol

​@@TheNikKondragoon doesn't have the worst button bloat right now anyways. Scholar is way worse and I play with controller.

​@@davidbernardino8109as a fellow controller player, you're totally right my friend. And if I may add, AST is hell too😂

They said they are streamlining the jobs to make more difficult boss mechanics, and that's way better. Extremely complicated rotations are just bad design.

@@Curinteru but dragoon isn't even complicated. It's already the most straightforward compared to the other melee DPS.

@@Curinteru this is a hugely flawed methodology that just makes all the older content even more boring to play in.

@@ElrokFoxx I don't think so, I think SAM and RPR are way easier. Nevertheless for me DRG is not complicated at all, I'm just saying what players and the devs say.

​@@CurinteruThat's poor logic. We already have a handful of braindead simple, easy to play jobs. Including in the DPS category. We should have the option of higher skill ceiling, intensive burst jobs as well. Once you've learned a fight, for a lot of us it's more fun to do on jobs where more effort and button presses are required. Not every job has to be SMN. A fight can be complex, and so can some of the jobs. That's ok. There's no need to take that option from us.

Ya, good riddance to that thing. It was nice to have the buff when playing something else, but actually using it was a chore with how basic the games macro system is.

@@Raansu haha I never macro'd mine. Got really good at doing it manually over the years. I'll miss the animation, but not the upkeep. I wish they'd give us some way to still use old animations for removed stuff.

BLM mains:

And yet they will still remain one of the most used (if not the most) job in the game. Something doesn't add up here...

@@yung-tuwei2284 it's because it's braindead easy

@@yung-tuwei2284 What do you mean? It makes perfect sense. The job is the easiest in the game by far, and very flashy. The significant majority of the playerbase is very casual, it's their ideal job. Meanwhile the people who mained it for years partly because it was more complex got the middle finger by SE.

My wish was that Dragonfire Dive and Stardiver would leave a 5-10 second burning AoE at the point of impact. At least they gave Dragonfire dive a follow up so that sort of works.

Lv 40, so no.

right on, couldn't agree more

Also means we lose 1-2 charges for 47-55 levels of a damage OGCD and less to do in lower level content.

Honestly, I'd rather all jobs are more accessible in general while fights get harder for me to optimise. Because then that literally becomes easy to learn, hard to master for each job, aka skill issue. I am a little bit worried about DRG no longer having a resource to keep track of will make it too easy, but if the raids in DT are gonna be much harder then that's a much better thing to have.

Looking at the tooltips from the media tour they removed the 100 potency Lance Mastery. Instead Lance Mastery II became I and they start them from there instead.

I liked be able to use it on my chocobo when killing hunts shrug 🤷🏽‍♂️ 😂

It's DRG defensive cookdown since it adds a lifesteal effect 😂😂😂

@Borreas no not life surge -_- I'm talking about lance charge, u know old blood for blood

well we still have dragonfire dive and stardiver as damage dealing gap closers. but yea a little bit of damage on the charge would be nice

Piercing talon is garbage in most situations but having a ranged option is still nice for when you're in deep dungeons/field content and need to grab aggro on something from far away

It’s probably still there for the same reason machinist has reassemble but idk

Piercing talon is bad but "zero usage" is a very silly thing to say. They have no ranged options outside of cooldowns.

Yeah, that was just a misunderstanding of the way the Action Change feature works; some folks blatantly ignoring the very clear description in favor of what they wanted to happen. There's a feature that will allow you to optionally split actions that replace another action on your hotbar into their own separate buttons in order to avoid accidental input from button mashing. There was never any mention of the opposite, i.e. combining multiple separate actions into one button.

It really wasn't

@@pryanik1337 except it was. It was pointless.

You didn't do DSR or TOP did you?

@@strawberrysundaes it was pointless if the only thing you did was daily roulettes (and that is only if you don't care about damage, because you could do some optimization even in Alliance Raids). Because there's a lot of battles, especially in Extremes and above, where you can do some interesting things with LotD.

@@ember-evergarden oh wait, you mean the "optimization" where you had to start with high jump in order to get nastronds and star diver within the first 30 seconds of the fight cause you couldn't get it otherwise? Oh yea, that's actually bad job design, and this new iteration fixes that, omg, you're freaking welcome 😁

No, that was a misunderstanding of the way the Action Change feature works; some folks blatantly ignoring the very clear description in favor of what they wanted to happen. There's a feature that will allow you to optionally split actions that replace another action on your hotbar into their own separate buttons in order to avoid accidental input from button mashing. There was never any mention of the opposite, i.e. combining multiple separate actions into one button.

@@adamzielinski5213 Who really wants MORE button bloat tbh?

@@olebrumme6356 That's why it's optional? It's QoL for people who have that one specific problem.

I hate it too. I was really afraid of this. It has been successfully homogenized lol

I gotta agree. They took out most of the complexity and alot of it's identity. The dragon gauge is literally just used as a glorified cool down timer now. I feel like they're turning each class into the same thing. Press this button every 2 mins, spam buttons and wait for 2 mins. There's no difference, nothing makes me feel like a dragoon here. I'm just watching abilities go away in place of homogenization cause people am can't pay attention to their skills

Managing eyes sucked lol. Having to delay life in the opener because drg had no shortcut to life was awful. Calling this homogenization is such a stretch lol. Life was basically a dps cd before anyway. It was just pointlessly awkward.

@@omegaxtrigun Square could've made some ability that would give you both eyes for Dragon Gauge pre fight (like monk's Meditation, for example) and would be unusable during the fight (to not make DRG OP). But nope, guess that's too hard for a concept now, gotta cut away the whole (and the only) mechanic away. And yeah, opener is there for 20 secs at the beginning, and LotD management is there for the rest of the fight, so it just isn't worth. It was a dps cd that you could optimize in many ways, which made DRG, y'know, FUN to play in different fights. But now it'll be the same fking thing over and over and over again. Great fking job, Square.

@@omegaxtrigun Managing eyes was as simple as pressing mirage dive after jump if you can't do that you should play something else lol

It's just as busy as it was and the removal of eyes gets rid of the cancer of bad kill times fucking your entire run up. Tell me pushing top or dsr phases too early desyncing you was fun at all? Or do you not do high end content at all?

@@Attentive I didn't do TOP or DSR, sadly, but I did UWU and TEA, so I understand what you mean and the answer is - get gud and optimize timings of your High Jump. Such minor things as desynching which occur in pretty rare cases and can be overcome if you put some thought into it aren't worth sacrificing the WHOLE mechanic.

@@Attentive If your kit falls apart because a boss changes phase too early, thats the fight's design flaws not the jobs

@Nazuiko True, but instead of learning what makes the fights bad, they just change the jobs lol. It's like how bard songs are just as aids in these fights since you need a target and there is so many instances of downtime

@@Nazuiko you destroyed that person couldnt say it any better. 11/10

I think that Mirage Dive is fine, but dear God do I hate to look at Lance Charge. If I were to name the most boring animation in the game - it'll be first one that comes to my mind.

@@pryanik1337 Boring animation, boring effect, boring use, boring name. It should have died a long time ago.

Harder rotation so we can't get more difficult mechanics you say? Clunky rotation with no burst at the beginning you say? A buff that needs to be macroed in order to work as it should? Man, these people don't know how to play jobs and they want harder rotations, lol.

@@Curinteru i dont get it. do you think "harder rotation" means "clunky/bad job design"?

I mean, you sort of still get it with the new skill that dragonfire turns into. So its kind of like you still have it, but it’s linked to another skill.

The problem is endlessly stacking abilities at higher levels, low level sync points getting steadily even more bland and braindead to play.​@@omegaxtrigun

Im the other way around. Spineshatter is okay but i wont feel its loss too strongly, and expected it to be moved to a GCD or taken away completely and making all the jumps AoEs... which they now are lol. Dragon Sight, however, is the most flavor and interesting skill in the entire game, and now we lost not only the nerd rope but the entire fucking buff???? To be moved into Geirskogul? Incredibly lame.

Man, do you really play DRG? Spineshatter was clunky as fuck, specially in big pulls, you were jumping in the middle of the pull having to go backwards so your cone abilites dealt damage to all enemies. It's gone and most of us DRG main couldn't be happier (same as Dragon Sight).

i'm fine with dragon sight getting removed since it was a headache having to deal with that every 2-3 minutes or w/e it is, but i do hate lance charge as well.

I disagree, removing Lance charge would be a bigger loss because of how many levels you’d be stuck with just three-four buttons total

I'm glad they removed it. Dragon Sight lost its charm since they removed the red chain to party member vfx.

@Castersvarog low level dragoon already sucks because you don't get your aoe until 40 and now it will suck even more because of the removal of spineshatter. They don't seem to care about that anyway, but I do get why you don't want lance charge removed

Dragon sight was clunky and needed to go. Period.

I am in your walls :xD:

@@SmokinSickStyleYeah UWU

i know right, all those new dashes look a bit samey

Or at the very least, keep Spineshatter, and add in the new gap closer for gap closing.

I was just saying this yesterday