This is not the most in-depth analysis...perhaps later on I will make one with a proper list comparing the two.

Personally I believe that the main thing in 4 that was better was the map. Because in 5 even though it has more diversity, the 4 map fealt more complete, with the main example being that 4 has WAY better dirt roads

In some ways I actually miss FH4 it felt less dead and I liked the weather better and the map more

Fh4 felt like an improvement coming from fh3. We had one x enchantment, a new season system, more cars etc. horizon 5 just took all that and put a new map in its place

I personally like 4 was better. I liked the map better, and the size did not matter because it was perfectly spaced to me.

Forza Horizon 4 Was my first Forza game and it is so nostalgic whenever I hear the opening music and some of the Block Party songs 😢❤❤ it was so good for me I had no idea fh3 was even better as for me this was the best racing game I’d played

i definitely agree that they are in realistic terms no better than each other, but for now i’m giving them the benefit of the doubt with some aspects because they are still working with the old engine. however, as soon as they get the new engine they better make some big changes

I have said this previously but i say it again. The map has a lot of potential but developers has not taken the all out of it. All the main activities in the map has been focused in couple of areas. The rest of the map has just been left behind. There is a lot of unique places in the map but because there is nothing to do in those places no one is going to visit there. Shame really.

It’s important to point this stuff out and where they truly are lacking in developmental ideas. They just better hope Test Drive doesn’t disrupt their whole market at this point. The repetitiveness is alarming at this point.

I started forza with fh2 and played fh3 which were both really fun, but at fh4 and 5 it seems like they had a goal but didn't put as much soul into them

I like fh4 way more then fh5

The one problem I have with a Forza fives weather, specifically talking about the sandstorms. When you go up to a sandstorm or close to it it looks really far away, but then when you go a little bit more forward, you are already in it, even though it looked like it was at least 100 feet away. Edit: I do understand that this is a very new thing for playground games, but when I saw that sand storms are going to be a Weather aspect of the game. I thought you would be able to drive right up to them and then go a little bit more forward and you’ll be in the storm not 100/ 50 feet away and then you’re in it when you drive forward.

In some ways yes, in some ways no. FH5's map feels really lifeless and dull compared to FH4, but the driving roads themselves are a bit more enjoyable. The physics and audio are also improved over FH4, but the car list feels repetitive and unchanged. If you recall, FH4 didn't really hit its stride until new features like the Seasonal Playlist were introduced and breathed new life into the game. I think we might see FH5 go through a similar phase change later on that helps it come into its own a little more. I have low expectations, but still feel like the series is progressing forward... very slowly.

I’ll tell you one think though I am so done with the festival Playlist every week, that’s it’s starting to feel like a chore… I’ve been bored of it mid horizon 4s life and I was unhappy when they brought it back in 5

The main thing i am missing from the older horizon games is the festival aspect. You could take the festival from horizon 5 and it wouldnt be a huge different game. In horizon 1 and 2 the festival was a massive aspect, now its just there

FH 1 to 3 was golden (specially Goliath of 3 wich was brilliant), Fh4 and 5 i kinda liked but.. i miss beating rivals and a focus on story, now we´re Hyper stars and that´s it, no focus, just grinding, nerfs left and right i avoid MP like plague except on trials where i play with randoms, since any of my friends list dropped FH4 or 5 a month after launch.

I think they coulda done more with Mexico in Forza 5 more cities , & of course we need more cars that we actually want.

The lack of gas stations restaurants grocery stores car washes airplanes in the skies etc on the map makes it feel empty on such a big map these things don't need to be usable but present to make it feel more alive

I just starting playing Forza 4 winter of 2020/2021 and it was so incredible. I played 5 on its release day and I felt like something was missing as well. Then I realized that it wasn’t the game, it was me. I’m MUCH more partial to enjoying British culture than Mexican/desert culture. I lived in Arizona for a year and hated it. Once I realized that, 5 became an extension of 4 to me. Because I bounce from 4 to 5 a lot, I appreciate that they are super similar and I don’t have to remember how to play one or the other. I have cars in 4 that I get excited to drive and I have different cars in 5 that I get excited to drive. I honestly hope 6 feels the same as 4 and 5, just different scenery and slightly different cars.

Personally, I feel more attached to fh4 because not only was that my first horizon, but also since I live in the UK, it's more relatable than FH5 and I get a lot more of the references first-hand etc. Despite this, I feel FH5 is still better in most ways (which matter). This may vary the more I play online races tho 😂

Forza Horizon 4 was and is still an amazing game. I love it.

I agree. The map needs more features and things to do- think of the fh3 construction site, shipwrecks, and wood farm. All these areas were great and provided playability but werent exactly specific or necessary locations for the game to work. They just added them and they became favourites for all fh3 players. We have 0 areas (excluding temples) like that in fh4 (and even then, only one of the temples has any real playability, and they are all VERY similar.)

Even now, I can't believe FH5 has released, but after 270 hours of experience, I really have the impression there is something missing, even in my 20th hour I had this impression.... WHAT IS IT !?

Everyone here is wrong, the correct answer is Midnight Club 3 is better.

1 year later and I still haven’t had a horizon arcade with more than 3 players…..

FH5 map should have more modern parts because theres almost none of it, only the stadium and the far west side of the map

Much of what I've seen in FH5 seems like it was a "Copy/Paste" situation. Even some of the cars still carry a UK license plate, instead of a Mexico plate.

I agree with you on the city and towns, the architecture in horizon 5 feels 3rd world level, they should've included more developed towns found in mexico. The only interesting parts about guanajuato were the large buildings, not the boxy houses, as for the towns, they were bland, as well as the lack of pedestrians on the sidewalks

There's much improvement in the basic structure of the game, from Horizon 3 to 4 to 5. Physics modeling, graphics, animations, and such. Map size and diversity, and the car roster can vary in quantity and quality. What I see suffering is the removal of features that we actually kindof liked, like custom championships, or any real sense of progression, or anything passing for an overarching story or purpose. I think the playlist has largely backfired too; Forzathon in Horizon 3 was a great excuse to go back into the game at least once a week, and seasonal championships in Horizon 4 was a novel idea at first. Bundling them together in the playlist was... fine, I guess. But now it's more like "ugh, I gotta go back and do the playlist." They're littered with duplicate cars I already have, and the one new McGuffin most weeks. And once I'm done with that, and unlocked the McGuffin i don't feel like doing anything else. The game seems to be figuring out how to unlock the McGuffin with as little work as possible, plus the one or two other items that are actually fun.

Fh5 slightly worse but I prefer the fh4 because actually much better experience than fh5 that already have

With the gamepass mentality, that's why FH5 was.... kinda underwhelming.. (From a first timer playing FH5, Festival Playlist was aight, turn to boredom a lot)

I keep going back to FH4. The atmosphere and use of color in that game is unmatched. Driving around during sunset while it transitions into nighttime always looks incredible, especially in winter. The seasons also gave it a lot more replayability than I intially expected. The only reason why I'm not playing it as much anymore is because it lacked proper customization in terms of aesthetics.

We had a perfect racing game that included features we are still asking for to this day. Test Drive Unlimited 2. The 2 detailed maps, atmosphere, progression and some other things made that game very memorable and I hope TDU Solar Crown can capture that and Turn 10 take notes as well.

Forza horizon 4 was more fun than 5 to me. i dont know to to put it into words, but forza horizon 5 feels very generic. FH4 had better music, its map was significantly better than FH5. and the DLCs were fun too.

It's a difficult one for me because I started playing Forza from Forza Horizon 3, I like Horizon 3 because of how nostalgic it is, I Love Horizon 4 because its set in the UK and its main city is my capital city but I also like Horizon 5 because of its cars, customisation and the map to some degree.

The only thing better in fh5 are the graphics and cars 💀 fh4 was more joyful 😔

On another video I made a very long, but in-depth “Wishlist” for FH5 (and also FH6). It contained many cars not featured on FH5 that were in FH4, such as the Volkswagen I.D. R. In that comment, I had just recently gone back to playing FH4 a few months after FH5 was released, and I realised quite a few interesting things (if you can find the comment, please link it in the replies, but I can’t find it anymore) -Cars such as the Volkswagen ID R have disappeared in FH5 -The game ran WAY smoother, and rarely (if ever) dropped frames, even on a 6+ year old Xbox One S in FH4 -There was more of a city in FH4 -There was a cool spot in a concrete tube near a drag strip where you can do a wheelspeed glitch (it still works as of ~June 2022!) in FH4 -The overall experience felt less busy & more refined, from the higher (CONSISTENT) frames, to the evened-out font sizes, to even the more accurate speedometer needle! (FH4) And finally, I don’t know what it was about that game, but the cars were MUCH easier to drive in FH4 (even after the suspension update a few weeks ago)! *Keep in mind, I HAVE NEVER PLAYED ANY OF THE TITLES BEFORE FH4*

Forza 4 best horizon ever Edit: the main reason being the height variation made the map very fun to play games we made up; all playground areas, airfield, Edinburgh, windmill farm, and a few others I can't remember. Most of the time I spent in fh4 was messing around in the open world. The problem with fh5 is there isn't really an area that is as interesting as fh4. Edit2: also the menu in fh4 was way easier to get through

I especially agree with the recycling of cars from previous titles, they need to stop that and put all cars from previous games in from launch.

FH4 felt better aesthetically, you could take beautiful diverse screenshots, however in FH5 all screenshots just kinda look the same

Fh5 feels so empty.

Horizon 3 was magical Horizon 4 improved on it Horizon 5 is an empty shell..

Fh5 is probably the worst one yet. It did absolutely nothing new for the series besides what, improved engine noise and a different map? Not to mention the story took a massive downgrade. We went from wristbands and cutscenes to building and leveling up the festival sites to essentially nothing. How can you reach the “hall of fame” and complete the story without doing a single big event?

Mexico is not the right choice for the new Horizon location. Simple as that.

FH5 is all about bugs and glitches

I don't know what I'd class as better but I'll always hop on fh4 first

Fh5 is a ghost town

4 is way better than 5, there is no doing about that

I think FH5 had quite a lot of bugs/problems when it came out 🤔. Cool once again Eric :)

I’m my opinion both forza games lack soul, the characters feel like robots, the cars aren’t as fun, and the only thing that has gotten better is the graphics

I genuinely haven’t played in ages because its so hard to get the millions and millions required for the new cars i want and when i do get them they handle the same as everything else once modified

I feel like Forza need to update the night sky since it seems empty and bare

i recently also went back to playing fh4 for a bit and man the nostalgia, also yes there is no where near as many bugs and glitches in fh4 then 5 the ui os overall way smoother and that's disappointing to see that they went backwards in that regard but the overall game itself i have to give it to fh5 as it's overall a better game because of the better graphics more realistic physics bigger map more cars and so on.

Is there still any way to get FH3 on pc?

The intro to fh4 is just AMAZING.

4:45 FH5 map is not 1.5 times larger than FH4 map. It is 1.5 times the size of FH4 map. So 50% increase in map size and NOT 150%. FH4 map being 71,46 km2 and FH5 map 107,19 km2 which is exactly 1.5 times the size of FH4 map.

For me FH4 is better because in FH5, I still have basically no traffic, and most of the races are repetative on the (mostly) same tracks over and over. 4 even looks better with lower graphics settings! Come on, PG!

Bro, do you play forza horizon 4 and 5 in 4k 60 fps or 1440p etc... Which resolution and refresh rate?

The night in fh4 felt like real night but in fh5 looks like it is still day and also in fh4 there was snow in the whole map but in fh5 it only snows in the volcano

i agree it think the "ratio" is a big thing, honestly i like the size of fh4 map more, since as u said, i feel like the size is just like taking a smaller map, and just streching it out, not adding more things, but just making the distance that you have to drive longer. personally i like fh4 more, but that might be becouse it was my first horizon game, and i really loved it.

There are many other big bugs that i hate like in the new RS7 window tint doesnt show up and also the Dodge Demon rear window. The Cadillac ATS is manual but in game the character shifts imaginary paddles.The Impreza with Varis kit doesnt shows backfire neither.

I would be content with less cars, but a more interesting map. I only drive about 50 cars anyways.

Fh5 map is bland and it’s crazy how we have a near identical car list to 4 but damn near all the cars don’t have spacer options… it starts with the little shit

For me it is no brainer. FH4 wins all the time against FH5. In FH4 I loved the map and the architecture of "historic Britain", plus the changing seasons were great and that's why I played it a lot. FH5 I play only to collect new cars, nothing else, I don't like the map, it is kind of empty and not very interesting, plus the changing seasons seems to me the same. Plus the car physics was better in FH4, but even better in FH3.

Fh4 because I know it is not the best game ever but the map, graphics felt like how britain really looked. Fh5 felt more like a downgrade although most features were improved. I prefer fh4 map bc although it lacked biomes it felt more fun while in fh5 you get an empty space. Fh4 just feels more alive than Fh5.

The biggest problem in fh5 compared to fh4 is the way the ruined soo many car sounds which they got it right on fh4. E60m5, e92 m3, McLaren F1, hoonigannfiesta rally car, Honda's and a lot more. This was always a reason since I got fh5. The excitement died down and now I play it just to get the new cars mostly

I'm mexican, I'm biased, I love the 4 but the 5 makes me cry, it's sad that there is so much hate, it makes my skin crawl see everything so well represented it's beautiful I play on a logitech g920 so i love it and the graphics and everything, music could be better lol, famous Mexican car is the TSURITO

omg eric, its been a long time since ive seen your video like wow ive been watching u before my chanel :) glad to see you again also first lol

I cannot agree the games are even. Forza Horizon 5 is just a reskinned FH4. The credit has to go more towards FH4 as it did pretty much all of the stuff fh5 does and on a better map (FH5 map is soooo lifeless and bland)

im thinkin abt getting either fh4 or 5 for my birthday on november 2md. which one should i get?

I think it’s just empty. Hardly any trees, not many houses, and the devs are trying to make the game way too family friendly so it’s not really fun yo play anymore.

60fps is a clear reason why 4 was better than 3. 30fps hurts your eyes compared to 60fps

Why does it feel like everyone always says they like the game previous to the current in every franchise?

i feel like FH5's biggest problem is the map. I love that they did work on the little things that people have talked about, car sounds, bodykits and other forms of customization, but its hard to enjoy it when you're in the desert. Mexico isnt a Minecraft seed.

Now I’ve played 1000’s of hours on all Horizons, sim racing obsessed. I believe FH5 had sorted the vehicle sounds out etc & I love the car list and updates. But FH1 to FH4 had some soul. FH5 just feels a dead map with a cold feel. But I still love it a lot.

I liked more fh4, I liked to just get in the game and run around the scenery, I thought it was beautiful. The fh5 didn't attract me that much, I enter the game only to play the playlist.

Hey Eric. I seen something on FM7 and it was on the McClaren Senna. It's on the top of the dashboard where you can see a small screen the tells you what gear you are on, your speed and your revs. To see it you do need to be on Photo mode and I think its a good detail that Playground Games had put in and it is also in FH5. Just to say that it is not on the McClaren 720S. Just the Senna.

Forza 4 already was my favourite as soon as I saw a dodge charger R/T as a starter car. Anything with a dodge csr that I can instantly get is my favourite

i think it could just be some fatigue with the series. inevitably its gonna get harder to keep coming up with original content every few years and obtaining a roster of cars we havent seen before sounds expensive and time consuming. so perhaps smaller map size but every 6 months we get a new map in a different part of the world? that way you can have 6 months in japan with touge, japanese cars and culture. then maybe france or germany? maybe do somewhere like sweden/arctic circle? iceland with those crazy offroaders? this way the game feels entirely fresh every 6 months with new location specific quests and vehicles. one of the best dlc for me was the island in 4. obvs the drift road was ace but also the treasure chests to find and the feel of a different small island community. was the same vibes with blizzard mountain.. did a lot with a small space. with 5 i had been jumping on once a week to get the new cars. now i cant even be bothered to do that as i have enough money to buy anything i dont have. PG needs to win me back with something genuinely interesting for the next dlc, whatever an whenever that may be..

I didn't bought FH5 because it was way expensive and after some time I realised I chose wisely not to buy a game that it's price doesn't represent the things that gamers receive from the game. And one thing that I hate about Forza Horizon generally speaking, is the lack of visual customisation. It's a 2021 game and you just can't exclude customisation variety especially in exhaust, bumpers, fenders, spoilers.

the cars feel horrible offroad in fh5, they slide constantly and theyre slow. they nerfed pretty much every car too much, S1 is the new S2 in FH5

Last comment horizon 4 had my 3 favorite cars in real life , the mclaren 12c, aston martin one-77, and the kia stinger five has none of them .

I've gone back to FH4 also, FH5 has better car sound without doubt. The gameplay in 4 is as good as 5. FH5 seasons seem the same, only the reservoir being full or empty is the only change. I view them as equal but with different scenery

Using a wheel, the physics are great especially for drifting. Everything else I feel is a letdown. The game wasn’t even finished when released. Even now some things feel broken. Forza weekly mission broken every month. I don’t care so much about finishing them as I know at some point when one of them won’t work. I’m not building myself up to 100% the festival playlist as most often you can’t. If it unreliable to play and finish missions, then what’s the point. See a car you like. Unlock it and forget the rest.

I think fh5 is better but if it weren't for the updated car sounds i wouldn't be so sure. The problem is with the map it just feels dead there are no houses outside the towns and the ones there is are old fashioned or rundown. Make a more modern map, with more towns maybe even 2 cities and a bit more modern architecture and then its a solid game

with one is better to start with? please reply

FH5 is still buggy. The game changes my settings every single time I reboot the game, often throwing me into a 20fps death crawl. I have a 6600xt and an 11400. Game should run smooth as silk.

I would quite like a map that takes quite a while to drive through. That way there could be a more diverse map and an actual need for a train.

4 was the best imo, the immersion, the map, the aesthetic, the car balance and models etc all better, especially better than FH5. Summed up as well. No one wanted the new horizon based in fucking Mexico. A country with nearly no racing or car heritage or significant contribution to car culture at all. The best thing FH5 did was the removal of free roam rush

I feel like FH5 is missing some core features from FH4, like main menu is just straight up ripped from FH3 and the night-time is considerably fast. Plus the game lacks some bodykits for some cars.

Devs don't care of quality or features. Quality is good enough: "nothing to do here..." I asked the support(reopened 7 months old ticket) when VRAM issue will be fixed. Answer killed me: "We do not have ETA for the VRAM issue". It follows the game from the start. Almost a year. Not only they did not fix it, the don't even know when they will. Answer is - never. I wish I liked fh5 more, but I don't think so. I'm not buying or preordering next Forza games if I do not see massive changes

Hi, for me fh5 is too much oriented in non-conventionnal cars, that’s nice but too much, I prefer less supercars and prototype, and a bit more ordinary cars…. Why not some family saloon, hatchbacks and everyday racers. I prefer fh4, more realistic map for RP playing. All news models ( more electric) don’t make me dream in real life, that’s the same in fh5. Sorry I’m a petrolhead 😅 Nice work, hello from France 😊

i had ton of online friends in fh4, we use to race together in teams but now none of us play together

They could still incorporate some of those FM7 bodykits, some looks good.

I’ve only played horizon 4 and 5 and I have to say horizon 4s map was so monumentally better than 5s I just find myself going back to it.

I wished horizon 4 didn't take away the jeep wagoneer and I wish horizon 5 would bring back the plymouth fury, the Hudson Hornet and the wagoneer!!😭

i dont like there is no real citys and no buildings ...

Horizon 4 was the first Horizon title I played when I was like 9, so long ago. And my small little baby child brain loved it! I recently went back to my last save on fh4 and started roaming around the map and, I gotta say, it’s not terrible. But it is terrible compared to other open world racers like The Crew or NFS or even FH5. Horizon 4 would’ve been a good game 7 years ago, but now it’s terrible compared to its competitors. I think the same can be said for FH5. Forza just isn’t the best racing game anymore. And I don’t think I would be saying this if Need For Speed existed. You see what I mean? It’s good, just not good enough.

Tbh, I think Horizon 4 was the more lively type of game compared to 5 But I much prefer 5's physics and 5 story is a little better in my opinion. And the customization and menu is better in horizon 5 tho

I am to the point that I don’t really understand the game any more. I mean, how much do people really drive through fields in the game for days and days? It’s sort of gimmicky and got old to me after a short bit. And with that said, in a super/hypercar? Feels out of place. I get the arcadey nature of the game and perhaps taking race shortcuts, but the formula feels a bit old and in FH5 going for a shortcut you just get hung up in the desert. Definitely have mixed feelings towards the series.