XVII Legion 'Word Bearers': Origins & History (Warhammer 40,000 & Horus Heresy Lore)

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11 ай бұрын

Being a record of the zealous XVII Legion Astartes, the Word Bearers of Lorgar Aurelian.
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@mmallory22 11 ай бұрын

Word Bearers: the Emperor is God Emperor, glowing gold with limitless power: No I’m not a God. Word Bearers: You really look like one though Emperor, flying through space in a giant Cathedral: Coincidence.

@martintodd9944 11 ай бұрын

Then he humiliates them and ruins them and gets turned into a skeletal battery and their book declaring him a god becomes doctrine and law. Makes sense, somehow I suppose

@lumburgapalooza 11 ай бұрын

What he means is he's not a god _yet._ Worshiping him before he's truly ascended is like talking about a "Perfect Game" while it's in progress. Don't jinx that shit.

@redline841 11 ай бұрын

"There is a difference between being a god and looking like one."

@toothlesssal5598 11 ай бұрын

HE'S THE MESSIAH IM NOT THE MESSIAH

@awakeandwatching953 11 ай бұрын

@@toothlesssal5598 the god emperor brian

@michaelhowell2326 11 ай бұрын

Can we all agree that Kor Phareon and Erebus should have been taken out behind the chemical shed and shot? Most especially Erebus.

@casketbase7750 11 ай бұрын

Erebus is the Thomas Midgely Jr of 40k. The average person doesn't know his legacy, but those who do curse his works.

@overlord2495 11 ай бұрын

Without them there won't be any grim darkness

@jeffreygreen8668 11 ай бұрын

Never too early in the year for a V reference… 😎 Remember, remember…

@bruceyoung4777 11 ай бұрын

Kor pharon turned lorgar into a bitch

@ArchArturo 11 ай бұрын

Agreed. Poor Erebus, he deserved better 😢

@yaelz6043 11 ай бұрын

If I were in a room with Lorgar, Erebus and Fulgrim and had a boltgun with two rounds left I would shoot Erebus twice.

@spaceangelmewtwo9074 11 ай бұрын

If I were in a room with those people and had a Meltagun with enough fuel to fire 100 times, I would shoot Erebus 100 times. I'm not walking away from that corpse until it's been completely and utterly atomized.

@Deridus 11 ай бұрын

Is there a bayonet? Nice sturdy butt stock? Anything I can use to bludgen him with besides my own two hands? Then I'd shoot him.

@everydayuntilyoulikeit1501 10 ай бұрын

Mental image of you with one broken arm and several cracked ribs after firing the first bolt, awkwardly holding the bolt-gun one handed, balancing it on your leg to fire the second bolt. Respect.

@yaelz6043 10 ай бұрын

@@everydayuntilyoulikeit1501 I'll bet an arm and a rib that the two primarchs in the room would use warp shenanigans to keep me functional just long enough to get that second shot off.

@aaronsouthard8366 10 ай бұрын

@@yaelz6043Fulgrim: "Why do you wish him dead so?" "Do you want to enjoy being raped by Lucius and some of your sons and then Kill your Brother Ferrus?" "Say no more fam."

@rubenhunt130 11 ай бұрын

I adore the mental image I have of Lorgar and Magnus cozied up in a library together, reading and holding lengthy debates on the things they're reading about. Cute, and heartwarming.

@Deridus 11 ай бұрын

They'd both like that in the Lore, methinks.

@knightpaladin9841 11 ай бұрын

they are both massive nerds and thats adorable

@TheWarmachine375 11 ай бұрын

@@knightpaladin9841 Unreasonably buff nerds (they're Primarchs after all) enjoying reading books together and that's awesome.

@SC_3 11 ай бұрын

@@TheWarmachine375 Don't forget Perty. He and Magnus were besties, to a degree. There were few people he cared for but the scene where he's carrying Magnus in his arms is just. Mwah, beautiful.

@TheWarmachine375 11 ай бұрын

@@SC_3 True and also when they were at Terra, Magnus and Perturabo had fun checking around various historical locations and learn from it.

@hellride8544 11 ай бұрын

Truly we are blessed today to receive this chronicle....

@tomalexander4327 11 ай бұрын

Your scripts are just incredibly well written.

@JRBDWD 11 ай бұрын

Lorgar was made to shine. The Emperor in his unlimited arrogance and hypocrisy didn't saw that his son could one of the greatest weapons against chaos. In many sense Lorgar saved the Imperium by making the Emperor a "true" God.

@fguocokgyloeu4817 11 ай бұрын

Lorgar was weak, even by human standards.

@fguocokgyloeu4817 11 ай бұрын

Ooh antisemitism. No wonder you like Lorgar.

@JRBDWD 11 ай бұрын

@@fguocokgyloeu4817 Ah,the worm has been exposed and squirms away. Go on,troll. Demons without souls belong on hell.

@redline841 11 ай бұрын

@@fguocokgyloeu4817 Where. I gotta shake his hand

@fguocokgyloeu4817 11 ай бұрын

Your projection is weak. Drop a hard J, then call others troll. Either that or you are a genuine antisemite, which is even worse. No one will love you, or miss you. Good riddance.

@jamesdavey9690 11 ай бұрын

Everyone seems to hate him, but I still think Lorgar was the most human of the Primarchs. He just had the misfortune of being a kind man in an unkind age.

@Dunmerdog 10 ай бұрын

Yeah seriously people take absolutely any chance to hate on Lorgar but I just don’t see quite why. Sure he’s a traitor, but it’s natural of humans to have faith in something, and the imperial truth was a basically unachievable, insane goal. The Emperor may not have been a god but he could have at the very fkn least given people an alternative, and it wasn’t like the Word Bearer’s were razing planets down to ashes. They seemed to be genuinely quite good to the worlds they brought into compliance.

@trajanfidelis1532 10 ай бұрын

Vulkan was kind and he didn't sign his soul away.

@Arbaaltheundefeated 10 ай бұрын

As kind and human as any other figurehead of a religious crusade or inquisition, sure... I can only see a monster warped by the damning influence of religious faith, allowing him to murder billions for a difference of mere belief and considering those to be acts of benevolent righteousness. Being kind and compassionate toward your own proves nothing at all, it's how you act toward those not like you, not part of your group, that speaks of your true character in that regard.

@Self-replicating_whatnot 10 ай бұрын

I am sorry, what? He's by far the most cruel, maybe only others that can come close are Curze and Angron, and those two at least had an excuse of being insane.

@Matihood1 10 ай бұрын

I think Lorgar is a tragic figure. He was raised by essentially chaos worshippers, in an environment dominated by religion. And then he was placed in front of a being as powerful as the Emperor, he couldn't help but consider him a god. And when that being refused his worship, he couldn't cope with it, as he NEEDED to worship something. And that's what Kor Phaeron and Erebus exploited. Big E should have taken Lorgar back to Terra after the raising of Monarchia, educating him properly about why he did what he did.

@catosicarius3262 10 ай бұрын

Yes, the 14ft tall, golden giant with an actual halo of light around his head, who can make 100000 astartes to kneel with a thought, who can project a lighthouse beacon across the galaxy, is totally not a god. Big E is the greatest gaslighter ever.

@RougeSanta 10 ай бұрын

Big E is literally ignoring the real entrance to space hell full of space demons and monster

@user-bs1zg9nk3g 5 ай бұрын

I never understood this logic

@torbenfranke1859 2 ай бұрын

I think the idea was to make the imperium believe there are no gods, as to starve the chaos gods of followers and worship. The chaos is a reflection of dreams and souls of the living after all. If nobody believed or even know of chaos, they'd be wiped out eventually. At least, that's my theory.

@user-iy5ww2hj4p 22 күн бұрын

@@torbenfranke1859but then wouldnt chaos focus all of its influence on weak points in this system (people in influenceable positions who arent 10000000% immune) and then just restart its cycle. Like water inevitably shattering a dam, except there will always be gaps in the wall

@LetholdusKaspyr 10 ай бұрын

The tragedy is that Lorgar recognized something fundamental about humanity and reality that the Emperor could not. You cannot use force or reason to eliminate the human need for faith. Doubly so, when supernatural events are uncommon but observable phenomena.

@noahdoyle6780 10 ай бұрын

It's one of the things that makes me hold onto the (admittedly, non-canon) idea that the Emperor is fundamentally *not human* (I favor a DAOT sentient weapon theory, but that's neither here nor there). To have lived through tens of millennia of human history and think that humans can do without religion/faith/worship is ludicrous. Unless, that is, you don't understand humans at all...

@weldonwin 10 ай бұрын

@@noahdoyle6780 There is the Star Child theory, that prior to the Unification Wars, knowing he'd have to do terrible, unconscionable things in order to unite mankind, the Emperor cast out a chunk of his soul. This part of him, basically contained his empathy, mercy and basically his humanity, leaving him free to do all this things he would need to, but also leaving him as a sociopath. The Emperor, was once fundamentally human, but lost that and with it, his ability to understand humanity.

@Bluecho4 10 ай бұрын

I will go further with a bit of headcanon I have: that in eradicating religion across the galaxy, the Emperor left a literal void in the Warp that Chaos could fill. My thinking is that belief creates a reality in the Warp. That if people, human or otherwise, believe in gods, those gods exist somewhere. That the Warp, prior to the Great Crusade, was filled with great theological fiefdoms, mapped over the material plane. Chaos was notable in that it is fed not merely by faith, but by the base passions. They're more primordial, more pre-Sapiant. This gives them some edge, but not enough to make them uncontested in the spiritual landscape. It's for this reason that, despite the Emperor's insistence that Theism is bad because it feeds Chaos, it only does so when Chaos finagles its way into the fabric of religion. Turns belief in local gods into belief in the Chaos gods under different names. It's why, during the Great Crusade, the nascent Imperium _wasn't_ fighting Chaos daemons and Chaos-mutated cultists every step of the way. "Regular" mutants and "mundane" tyrants and "merely mad" psykers. But not necessarily ones intertwined with the corruption of Chaos. It's why the Imperium could be so ignorant of Chaos until the Horus Heresy. People believed in other things, and so Chaos's foothold was not nearly so strong. By believing in their own local, developed theology, the people of the galaxy - no matter their other problems - were largely _innoculated in spirit against Chaos._ And then the Emperor came through and bulldozed the spiritual landscape through his fanatical dedication to secularism and atheism. Is it any wonder, then, that with all the heavens in all the religions rendered vacant, the Ruinous Powers would step in to fill the void? Is it any wonder that normal people, having lost everything and now made thrall to an exploitative star empire that cares little for them, would find no comfort in the Imperial Truth? That, in despair/rage/pain/hope, they would turn to new gods who promised to help them? The Emperor, in his arrogance, created the very Warp crisis he hoped to avert. The only reason the Imperium has any spiritual protection at all is because HE unwittingly came to fill that void. In a religion of oppression, ignorance, and hate, for a people who were left impoverished of any language or freedom to articulate an alternative.

@ghironsingh 4 ай бұрын

@@Bluecho4 This is an underrated take honestly. After a deep dive into Erebus, it seems even more probable. Erebus seems to have taken the “Logic of the Sword” from Destiny, to its conclusion with the Anatheme blade. I couldn’t help but wonder during his battle with Urda if the Chaos pantheon was largely his own creation from the myths of his home planet. So Erebus is like, planting the seeds for this to happen… Have you seen the video: When the chaos space marine starts to make a profound argument - uploaded by Wood Imp? It’s a great one and very much in-tune with this. Thanks for the theory!

@enocescalona 11 ай бұрын

oh yeah, this reminds me that i hope you can finish Lorgar's video, the one where you wanted to explain his spiritual journey to Chaos. But this is just as good, honestly.

@martintodd9944 11 ай бұрын

I'm reading through the heresy books but prefer the "baddie" books and am jumping about rather than reading in order. Which book contains lorgars trip in to the eye?

@enocescalona 11 ай бұрын

@@martintodd9944 check out the Aurelian novella.

@Pemmont107 10 ай бұрын

@@martintodd9944 "Aurellian" is the one you're after!

@martintodd9944 10 ай бұрын

@@enocescalona thank you

@martintodd9944 10 ай бұрын

@@Pemmont107 thank you

@trajanfidelis1532 11 ай бұрын

Best bad guys in the setting. Thanks for the video! And Hydra Dominatus

@carsoncasmirri3874 10 ай бұрын

Erebus and Kor Phaeron are so punchable. I felt deep waves of satisfaction watching them get absolutely shit on by Kharn and Guilliman respectively

@ArchArturo 11 ай бұрын

Can we all just blame Lorgar’s foster father for everything bad on the Heresy?

@bodricthered 11 ай бұрын

No. Erebus first, other traitor heretics after....

@ArchArturo 11 ай бұрын

@@bodricthered look, Kor Phaeron 1st because of abuse, Erebus 2nd… quoting Kirioth “Lorgar is my sweet, innocent baby boy”.

@yaelz6043 11 ай бұрын

Always have, always will.

@RougeSanta 10 ай бұрын

Can't we just blame the Emperor?

@weldonwin 10 ай бұрын

What I want to know is... How? How did a regular human, physically abuse a PRIMARCH?!? Even baby Primarchs are superhumanly strong

@rumseylevi 11 ай бұрын

With the Betrayal of Calth series starting I knew we were getting UM and WB videos soon and I’m happy to see I was right haha😂. Good job man, your videos are amazing.

@gregmandu 11 ай бұрын

The legion I that I wished I had collected. Ever since reading the omnibus by Anthony Reynolds (although in truth seeds were sown as far back as the 3.5 Chaos Space Marine Codex). Truly worth the wait. Thank you so much Oculus. :)

@JCDenton3 10 ай бұрын

I'm going to go Word Bearers at long last when the new Epic game is revealed later this year haha

@TheAmberKing 10 ай бұрын

Brother, I have always loved your narrations! And one on my favourite legion, thank you for this gift!

@MikeP5830 10 ай бұрын

😮

@Matihood1 10 ай бұрын

I think Lorgar's purpose was to be the fanatically loyal carrier of the imperial truth. Just like his legion before they were reunited with their primarch. Lorgar's need to worship a higher power wasn't a part of his being but rather a warping of his fanatical loyalty that he underwent on his home world. Lorgar was doomed by the scattering of the primarchs just as Angron was.

@zonedoyestander 10 ай бұрын

Kor Phaeron is responsible for Lorgar's twisted need to find meaning where there is none, and by extension finding a higher power that doesn't exist. You can see this trauma when he reads expressions on the faces of those he interacts with incorrectly, like when he thinks that he sees Guilliman smirk on Monarchia after its razing; Guilliman tells Lorgar that he finds no pleasure in the destruction of his perfect city and that he had always had an overly active imagination. That's one way to put it. You can see more of the source of this trauma in the Lorgar primarch book. Kor Phaeron is teaching a young Lorgar about the old faith (chaos gods), and Lorgar recites and interprets the lesson perfectly. Kor Phaeron scolds Lorgar and has him beaten for not finding the "deeper" meaning behind the lesson, but in reality he simply fears Lorgar's massive intelligence, seeing it as a threat to his position. Lorgar doesn't see this because he loves Kor Phaeron - he has such an immense capacity for love. This was exploited by the narcissist.

@stephenrepper8118 10 ай бұрын

Ah, the last of my three armies (Necrons, Wolves and Word Bearers) get their Historitor treatment. Always loved the contradictions in the Word Bearer/Lorgar story, and the fact that the faith they were punished for has ultimately won and completely consumed the Imperium

@kamaeq 10 ай бұрын

You are missing one. Requirements are: Loyalist Marine, Chaos Marine, Non-Astartes Imperial and Xenos. 😊

@Mjolknirn 10 ай бұрын

My first ever 40k army! Such a complex and rich historical interpretation on pained and daur real world beliefs, korgar especially is such an interesting character, I'd love a chronicle on him.

@briochepanda 11 ай бұрын

"What is a man to do when he has lost his faith? I felt as if I were in the desert, with no one to guide me out. The gods spat in my face, and whispered false promises. They showed me oases, but there was no water in them, only blood." The Anchorite lifted him, Claws tightening. "And then, I saw the light. It streched across the dark skies, and drew me on, and I followed. Through the sands I stumbled, until I beheld a city on the hill - a city of gold, as great as a mountain, and shining like a caged sun. And in that city, the truth. Not the falsehoods you peddle as such, but the real thing. The truth that we turned from, unable to bear its mighty light. "There is....there is only one truth," Amatnim said, fumbling for one of the grenades on his battleplate. He had to break the Dreadnought's grip before the maddened ancient crushed him. "It is older than any city - older than man himself." "And that is the lie. The oldest lie." -Apocalypse

@daveharrison61 11 ай бұрын

Where is that quote from?

@briochepanda 10 ай бұрын

@daveharrison61 Space Marine Conquests: Apocalypse by Josh Reynolds. Highly recommend it. It's the book that really sold me on the Word Bearers and the White Scars first time round. The plot is centered around a small coalition of space marines who are sent to an ecclesiarchy cardinal world to defend it from an incoming invasion from a Word Bearer fleet. What makes it really interesting is the spread of characters and settings; the space marines are from 3 chapters, Imperial Fists, Raven Guard, and White Scars, the former 2 are mixed Primaris and First-born. The Soroitas have some excellent time in the spotlight since the church is a big part of the book. There's some excellent space battles, spooky demon nonsense, and a really nice deep dive into the internal politics of the Word Bearer's legion and how they prosecute a war.

@207tex 10 ай бұрын

In hospital waiting to get my appendix cut out, your videos are keeping me sane.

@cxfxcdude 10 ай бұрын

Stay strong Brother. May your recovery be restful

@cadetjacques8418 11 ай бұрын

by the throne,your video realy are the most immersive 40k content out here,i absolutely adore the way you roleplay Occulus and the caracter devellopement thzt come with it and everything! i know very few people in my day to day life that are into 40k but i told them all to suscribe to you because you are the best! thank you alots for your effort Occulus and may the inquisition be kind to you until the end of your "sentence"... again,great work!

@SusCalvin 7 ай бұрын

34:38 I like how darn cute the little chain-bayonet on the boltgun is, and how ludicrous it is. The little stubby chainblade that could. They never draw marines with their bolters in slings. Sometimes they mention magnetic clamps, like marines just clamp some piece of kit to their armour.

@richardcowling7381 11 ай бұрын

Really rough day, settling down with a stiff drink and.... A new missive from my favourite scribe. The Emperor has blessed me

@davidjordan697 10 ай бұрын

I has just occurred to me that the whole heresy could have been avoided if the Word Bearers all decided to become techmarines.

@trajanfidelis1532 10 ай бұрын

Iron hands beat them to it

@scpwatcher8289 10 ай бұрын

23:01 Now I want a comic of Big E and Magnus trying to convince logar the Big E is not a god

@guardianaerdan8588 11 ай бұрын

Looking forward to watching this one when i get off work! Your videos are always a joy after a long shift.

@Diomedes_XXII 10 ай бұрын

You have such amazing videos that for JUST ONE SECOND I stopped hating Lorgar... Bravo, sir, Bravo!

@joshley1320 10 ай бұрын

He’s genuinely one of the best primarchs

@Diomedes_XXII 10 ай бұрын

@@joshley1320 my Liege, Sanguinius doesn't agree

@joshley1320 10 ай бұрын

@@Diomedes_XXII he overrated as hell Lorgars writing is by fair an a way one of the best

@Diomedes_XXII 10 ай бұрын

@joshley1320 yeah, no. Not the case.

@joshley1320 10 ай бұрын

@@Diomedes_XXII very much so he’s well written but extremely overrated

@mikedicewrites 10 ай бұрын

It could be argued Lorgar was the least powerful of the Primarchs but also the most impactful.

@lordfrostwind3151 10 ай бұрын

Its kind of a joke at this point, Lorgar being a kind man, i think the point was Lorgar was the only Primarch who recognized the magnitude and horror of what the Emperor was having him do during the Great Crusade. Routinely conquering worlds, killing countless billions of people, destroying ancient cultures for the crime of nit confirming, enslaving the populations for more production and army regiments such was the nature of the Crusade. If a god demands such obedience, then so be it, to suddenly realize that god was just a stronger version of every tyrant that plagued humanity and that you had been their willing lackey, little wonder your mind would break. Phaeron and Erebus steered him to chaos but like Angron after Monarchia rebellion was inevitable.

@Gillemear 10 ай бұрын

Greetings once again my esteemed master, I duly hope that by the grace of the God-Emperor you are well and continue to do his holy work in chronicling that which is obscured from sight by the mists of time. I have awaited your rendition of this, the last of the ancient Legiones Astartes to be set to record, with patient anticipation for, as I have previously mentioned in your report on the 13th Legion Ultramarines, that most noble of chapters is highly venerated here in Dub-hive and so it's spiritual and metaphorical mirror, this the vile and damned Word Bearer Legion, is also a topic of some controversy amongst those few who have knowledge of its origins and fall from grace. I have heard it said, in hushed tones so as not to reach the ears of those of a more inquisitorial disposition, that, and I even now hesitate to write these words despite the secure nature of our correspondence, Lorgar was right in his veneration of the Emperor as a God! For is that not how we view Him.on Earth today. Why should we condemn this son of the Emperor for the very practices that we ourselves undertake on a daily, if not hourly, basis. Yes, he betrayed the Emperor but was the core of his belief not true beforehand. Fools! They damn themselves with such blasphemy. Let us make no mistake, Lorgar's so-called faith was far, far removed from the pious, humble prayers and rituals of today's Imperium. Multiple divergences are evident, far too many for this brief missive but let us just take two key points to demonstrate. Firstly, Lorgar sought validation of his own weak faith, he yearned for someone to metaphorically pat him on the head and tell him how great, wonderful and special he truly was. Blame his upbringing or his ever questioning nature but at the end of the day his faith was not based in true devotion or love but in personal selfishness. Second, Lorgar was in fact in error, the Emperor of that era was not actually a god. He had not yet transcended to become the spiritual as well as the physical protector of Mankind until his fateful fight with Horus and ascension to the Golden Throne. Only after the cataclysmic events of the Hersey, with its undisputed evidence of malicious presences in the Warp ready to feast on the soul of humanity, were the populace in the correct state to accept the Emperor's divinity, not as a fearful vengeful overlord as the Word Bearer's betrayed him but as a divine guardian against all the void beyond. And only by His ultimate sacrifice to an eternity of gruelling pain, can these foul nightmares and their loathsome overlords be kept at bay. In so doing He set forth our path to salvation through selfless devotion and personal sacrifice for the good of others and not the glory of the individual. Lorgar was wrong, his motivations were wrong, his interpretation of what the Emperor truly is was wrong and his sudden betrayal once shown to be in error reinforces his delusions. May he and his vile followers be forever damned and brought so low as to never again threaten the Holy polity of Mankind and the reign of Him on the Golden Throne. It is through the work of the pious and ever-vigilant, including I most add our noble order with those such as your most esteemed self leading the way, that in due course these heretics will be consigned to the dustpan of history. Until then or, on failing that, our next correspondence, I remain your most humble servant. Ave Imperator, Gloria in Excelcius Terra.

@andrewclissold3685 10 ай бұрын

Currently reading The First Heretic. This couldn’t be better timed!!!

@Gorbz 10 ай бұрын

Some legions can be seen to slip slowly, poisoned from with and without. Some, however, seen designed to fall.

@exoblivione6086 10 ай бұрын

Maybe they was designed for that very reason…

@helloharr0w242 10 ай бұрын

Minor missed opportunity around minute 37. Oculus said “word spread” instead of “word was borne” as a play on the word bearers themselves and their zealotry being carried beyond the borders of their ability to hide it.

@Oscar_Lasco 10 ай бұрын

TLDR: Erebus ruins everything and Big E is the god of bad dads (with Kor Phaeron coming close)

@rubenhunt130 11 ай бұрын

I have developed a fresh hatred for Kor Phaeron. Erebus I knew to be a treacherous little shit, and I despised him for it, but the thought of Kor abusing and twisting my precious softboy Lorgar makes me, irrationally angry.

@gavinboyer4634 10 ай бұрын

It has been implied by certain writings that he may have mol*sted the boy.

@rubenhunt130 10 ай бұрын

@@gavinboyer4634 i can believe it. Unfortunately.

@IndustrialBonecraft 9 ай бұрын

This episode in "The Emperor Fucks Up" join us for: Terrible parenting, fucking up, and finding out. The Emperor created a monster by effectively being an abusive parent, and then, being a massive hypocrit, threw a tantrum about it.

@praetorurbanus2917 10 ай бұрын

Ray, when someone asks if you are a god, you say YES!

@lr-zf1ow 11 ай бұрын

Lorgar is the primarch with the most potential for good and the one whos fall was warranted the most (after angron). I do not understand why the fandom hates him so much.

@awakeandwatching953 11 ай бұрын

erebus is the answer.. i actually really like how they made the fall of horus secondary to the fall of lorgar and how that fall came about. theres a lot of valid criticisms of the horus heresy story line but the broad strokes of the over arching story is really well done imho

@casketbase7750 11 ай бұрын

Lorgar is canonically the only traitor to weep with regret during the Dropsite Massacre. That lore tidbit is what made me realize I'd misjudged him. Like a lot of newbie fans, I knew Lorgar by reputation as the Evil Cleric guy. In actuality, he is a sensitive man who was manipulated by every authority figure he ever met. It's okay to not like him, but I'd sooner pity the poor patsy than condemn him.

@lapantony 11 ай бұрын

Well him and his boys being the original cause of the Heresy and him demonstrating a complete lack of ability to understand what he's being told probably don't help things. Especially compounded by him later spending 10K years hiding from Corax like a little bitch

@Howl-Runner 10 ай бұрын

@@casketbase7750Not true his weeping was religious extasy. Corax should have killed him, its he who was weak. And not the feckless sycophant that is Lorgar.

@fguocokgyloeu4817 10 ай бұрын

I hate Lorgar because he was weak and stupid and created all of the circumstances for his fall. Angron is the only traitor that deserves any pity.

@AshleyBlackwater 10 ай бұрын

Very nice to see this series rapidly being completed :D

@aidanhearn4210 10 ай бұрын

I'm writing an alternate Heresy centered on Sanguinius and the original Loyalists. Lorgar stays loyal because Kor Phaeron did not survive the ascending process to be an Astartes lite, this alone spared the galaxy suffering and altered the timeline irrevocably. His sons will become the most zealous warriors in the Emperor's army and will die with the God Emperor's name on their lips

@therealneal9980 10 ай бұрын

Always a joy to see a new video of yours uploaded, they're always so well-researched, written, and presented. Truly a masterclass of not only Warhammer lore, but videomaking in general. Keep up the good work!

@jamesgallagher3852 10 ай бұрын

A few thoughts.... The Emperor objectively was a hypocrite. Why was it irrational for the WBs to worship him as a God when the Mechanicum was allowed to see him as the Omnissiah? Not only that, he played along with it and acknowledged he was the Omnissiah, a religious diety. Let's remember the Mechanicum went EVERYWHERE with the legions, so the WBs were in good company when it came to seeing The Emperor as a diety. Was it really wise to publicly and brutally punish the 17th for seeing him as a diety and claiming he's not one, while simultaneously keeping the status quo with the Mechanicum? What if the Mechanicum was like, "Oh you're not divine? You lied to us? Okay, to hell with the Treaty of Mars. F**k the Imperium." He took a big risk there, IMO. A risk not properly addressed in the novel, despite the book being incredibly well-written. Then he destroyed Monarchia and shattered the spirit of arguably his most loyal son and legion, based on that strong faith. So yeah, great back story and a tragedy that could've been avoided if the Emperor used forethought and better judgement. Didn't want Lorgar spreading the worship of E as a God? Tired of the 17th taking their time with human compliance campaigns due to converting the populace to their belief? Limit the legion to xenocide campaigns and deal with it after the Great Crusade. Instead, he got what he deserved.

@VictorIV0310 10 ай бұрын

Didn’t the Emperor do the first point out of pragmatism since the Mechanicum controlled a lot of technology that would be useful to the Imperium so he just played along as the Omnissiah?

@jamesgallagher3852 10 ай бұрын

Yes he did, but that speaks to his motives alone. My point was focusing on the perspective of the Mechanicum and 17th faithful. Whatever his motives were, he risked a dangerous and destabilizing reaction from the Mechanicum and 17th. The former potentially interpreting his grand show of deity denial as him revealing he's lying about being the Omnissiah (something Kelbor Hal suspected anyway), which could've led to massive, massive consequences for the Imperium going forward. The latter seeing him as a major hypocrite for allowing a significant portion of humanity (despite being the Mechanicum) to see and worship him as a divine being, while he embraced their worship as the Omnissiah.

@RougeSanta 10 ай бұрын

>Claims that he isn't a god >Makes 100k+ individuals bend to a knee just by thinking it >scuse me??

@80krauser 9 ай бұрын

It seems to me old Empy is just gestalt intelligence of a gaggle of narcissistic genius morons. He can simultaneously pull 66 Dimensional Vostroyan Strip Poker gambits but not understand the most basic fundamentals of humanity. He’s like the robot from Treasure Planet missing that little part of his brain to make him competent. Except instead of bad slapstick he is just a terrible father

@GhostOfSnuffles 11 ай бұрын

Warhammer is the embodiment of damned if you do and damned if you don't. The Emperor burned human worlds to ash for the crime of worshiping Gods, only to eventually be viewed as a God himself leaving even more human worlds to be burned to ash for not worshiping him. Had Lorgar made his views on the Emperors deification only a few decades later then he did he would be viewed as the Emperors most trusted and holy Son. 40,000 years of recorded history (more or less) and Lorgar missed the mark by a handful of years.

@SWProductions100 10 ай бұрын

I actually have a theory that the Emperor did love Lorgar as a type of son, and wanted him to get better (even when Lorgar was going around proselytizing). Of course, we're talking about a dude with near-godlike abilities, so all that 'I want my son to get better' gets massively scaled to include entire worlds in the consequences.

@knightpaladin9841 11 ай бұрын

My favourite legion alongside the Ultramarines. Thanks, will be nice to listen to after a long day

@Turnil321 11 ай бұрын

Erebus is the best 40k villian. He corrupted 4 legions of space marines and started the Hersey. 1. corrupted the word bearers. 2. corrupted Horus and his legion. 3. corrupted Typhon and through him the death guard. 4. corrupted Khârn by killing his friend and ensuring the world eaters would be fully corrupted. He did fail in corrupting the blood angels, but got close.

@emperorconstantine1.361 10 ай бұрын

I put this theory to the true villain of the Imperium. Girlyman. Because, when the Emperor punished lorgar for being SLOW in his conquests, Big E was 100% correct. But, Girlyman took sick pleasure in dealing punishment to Lorgar, to exemplify his “Superiority” and prove he was above Lorgar. (When you have both Mortarian AND Russ both saying the destruction of the city was ABOVE what was called for, that’s truly bad, and they both said they would have begged their father for mercy.) But not Girlyman. He proceeded to taunt Lorgar after Big E left. Then he IMMEDIATELY started the Imperium Secundus after Lorgar caused the Warp Storms, AND took open pleasure in killing Word Bearers. (His actions alone proved he lied saying that he took no pleasure in punishing his brother and that he loved them all.) Then he desperately tries to convince 2 brothers that he was NOT trying to take their father’s place. And even now, in modern times, Girlyman tries to hide his Secundus Empire from both his sons and the Inquisition. So, forever more, I thrice damn Rowboat Girlyman as Traitor Imperpetuaty to be executed on sight.

@toxos265 11 ай бұрын

Finally, after months of watching from the very first video I've catched up with the latest update. Love your content Oculus :)

@AdrianMartinez-ho6db 11 ай бұрын

“The first traitors although few would know until the end the dropsite massacre”

@legionofthedamned157 11 ай бұрын

*Ah yes, the first HERETICS* *THE URGE TO PURGE, INTENSIFIES* *THE IRON TENTH DO NOT FORGIVE, NOR FORGET* *Only the weak need faith* *Flesh rot, only steel endures*

@jimbusher5895 10 ай бұрын

The turning of Lorgar to the Dark Gods is the best example of the long game in the Heresy

@brendanthehun2128 10 ай бұрын

What an amazing job you do!! My favourite Legion would be proud!! Please keep up the magnificent work!!

@ravager2-636 11 ай бұрын

18:00 Why Lorgar why normal clothes and 1 big ass pauldron..?

@ArchArturo 11 ай бұрын

It’s his casual pauldron.

@Zaprozhan 11 ай бұрын

It was the style at the time.

@Nikalin 11 ай бұрын

I see Oculus Imperia, I click Oculus Imperia.

@dr-bunko6646 10 ай бұрын

Thank you loads for the content! Fantastic as ever!

@karldaniesson6787 11 ай бұрын

Praise be to thy, for sharing the evangelic history and origin of the most righteous chapter of the Astartes project.

@butHomeisNowhere___ 11 ай бұрын

Gather 'round. The Oculus speaks...

@josiegreene6140 11 ай бұрын

A new Oculus video on my birthday, truly the Emporer smiles upon me.

@overlord2495 11 ай бұрын

Happy birthday 🎉

@Inshabael. 11 ай бұрын

We are blessed! Hail the Golden Son!

@brandonstanley9125 9 ай бұрын

the chants are a nice touch

@asepheleleshabalala1352 10 ай бұрын

i have been waiting for this video since i found your channel. finally.

@omegavulture8379 11 ай бұрын

One day Lorgar will come out of his tower…and immediatly get bodied by whatever raven-daemon-primarch hybrid Corax has become. It will be so sweet.

@imintheraindripdripdrop 11 ай бұрын

First Ultramarines, now Word Bearers. I wonder, what could be next? (I know because I too am cursed with knowledge)

@gideon9096 10 ай бұрын

This channel couldn’t be more underrated

@Char1iBr0wn 11 ай бұрын

Finally. I have been waiting for this one for a looooong time

@davebowman9000 10 ай бұрын

Wonderful work! Can't wait for what follows!

@grouchypotatowolfpack5580 10 ай бұрын

"he's not the prophet of the God-Emperor, he's a very naughty boy" - The God-Emperor of mankind

@casketbase7750 11 ай бұрын

Ah yes, the Evil Cleric Legion. Everyone loves their gimmick just as much as everyone hates their individual characters.

@SamTheManWhoCanTwice 11 ай бұрын

Black Templars are just Word Bearers with a different colour scheme.

@casketbase7750 11 ай бұрын

@SamTheManWhoCanTwice World Eaters have the Gal Vorbak though. It's hilarious that the most uptight Chaos Legion fights with the power of human/demon friendship.

@Inshabael. 11 ай бұрын

@@casketbase7750World Eaters?

@Deridus 11 ай бұрын

@@Inshabael.They fight because they are the embodyment of aggression. Not much unity nor purpose there.

@SC_3 11 ай бұрын

Shout out to Marduk. What a chad. (GW when is the WB trilogy coming to Audible)

@charlieturk8141 11 ай бұрын

Nice follow up to your Ultramarine work!

@ActionQuackson 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video!

@ToolsAreToys 10 ай бұрын

Best warhammer channel on youtube by far.

@KaiserMaxim 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the ever great content!

@darionietlispach2470 11 ай бұрын

this makes my nightshift so much easier =D thank you occulus^^

@lewstherintelamon1726 10 ай бұрын

Humble Historian, we thank you for thy gift of knowledge

@henrythomas6823 10 ай бұрын

Love it. As always.

@poppedweasel 11 ай бұрын

Oculus is such a beautiful linguist.

@ashtonmartin3398 11 ай бұрын

All hail the mighty Chaos Algorithm god. Sacrifice your comments to its alter or suffer his wraith and see the downfall and destruction of our most revered and beloved "Occulus Imperia".

@michaelgautreaux3168 10 ай бұрын

👍👍 Many thanx for superb narration.

@Discotekh_Dynasty 11 ай бұрын

Cheers Oc! (Even if it is one about the book shaggers)

@dennisvicarth6823 10 ай бұрын

Your videos always draw me in, especially during a long commute or when relaxing. Such sweet, sweet pleasure to the ears and mind. Slaanesh approves.

@blitzkrieg1941 11 ай бұрын

BEST LEGION

@jwb_666 10 ай бұрын

I hate zealots of any kind so I have no kind words for Lorgar but the more I learn about 40k the more I'm convinced that Big E was planning all of this from the beginning... That big golden bastard

@carsoncasmirri3874 10 ай бұрын

Honestly if they could perfect time travel in 40K I’d say send a couple of Eversor Assassins into Erebus and Kor Phaeron’s nursery’s and tell them to go nuts

@carsoncasmirri3874 10 ай бұрын

It also kinda figures that the true architect of the Heresy was the one that ended up on the worst possible planet for a son of the Emperor

@daemonxblaze 11 ай бұрын

Im a simple Emperor fearing Terran, i see the oculous and i click play

@SuperPiratesfan 11 ай бұрын

“Unto those who in ignorance and stubbornness refuse the Word, bring the fires of hell. Sunder their flesh, and burn them of their impurity. Take vengeance upon them for their failings, and teach them the weakness of false idols. Thus spoke Lorgar, and so it shall be done. Open their veins that the truth might enter them. Cut upon them and let their blood flow. With holy bolter and chainsword we shall slaughter the unbelievers, and usher the word of truth into the world! ...Great powers of the Warp, guide the arms of your servants that they might let the blood of your enemies in your honour. Gird us with the strength and fortitude to do your bidding, and let our faith protect us from the blows of the faithless. Let your dark light shine upon us, filling us with purpose and belief. With thanks, we give ourselves unto you, pledging body and soul to your glory, for now and for time immaterial. Glory be.”-Marduk, Dark Apostle of the Word Bearers.

@matthewmcneany 11 ай бұрын

Nothing about the history of the Word Bearers leaves me in any doubt that the Emperor knew that he was ultimately destined to embrace what was to become the Imperial creed. There is a lot of tragedy in the Horus Heresy, but l I think the Emperor's futile resistance to his own Godhead is one of the greatest and ultimately most harmful. And in so much as there is an overarching philosophy in 40k lore overall I do think this fits into the broader idea that you cannot engineer a better version of humanity. In this instance neither through religious dogma nor through forced secularism. Both will inevitably exist in humanity despite their obvious contradictions.

@carsoncasmirri3874 10 ай бұрын

Could you imagine what the Imperial Creed would look like if Lorgar was the High Ecclesiarch? Man would make Sebastian Thor look like an atheist.

@philipclay8531 11 ай бұрын

I'm stuck in an airport and then I got an alert for this video. THANK YOU!!

@JeremyVTS 10 ай бұрын

Fuck yes I fuckin love the Word Bearers lore

@clumpski 11 ай бұрын

I wouldn't normally say this but the face on the armour around 13:50 freaked me out a bit 😂

@outlawotter4324 11 ай бұрын

Long have I waited for the blessed bearers of the word

@TheOtherSteel 10 ай бұрын

Ave Imperator. Gloria in excelsis Terra.

@JM..... 11 ай бұрын

New Oculus, on my favourite lads!!!

@musicalDrebin 11 ай бұрын

LET'S GOOOOO! 18 LEGIONS IN THE POCKET BOYS!

@gavinboyer4634 10 ай бұрын

The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit. -Proverbs 18:21

@thesagepilgrim4441 10 ай бұрын

A thorough record.

@bubbasbigblast8563 10 ай бұрын

*Russ:* "The Emperor is a god, but a human one." *Jaghatai:* "The Emperor is human, but also a god." *Lorgar:* "NOTICE ME SEMPAI!"

@alastor8091 11 ай бұрын

Wors Bearers, the Bearers of the Word.

@davebowman9000 10 ай бұрын

*Insert the Life of Bryan's 'I'm not a God' sketch*

@aaaaa33259 11 ай бұрын

Love you oculus.

@ChrisHopkinsBass 10 ай бұрын

I still think Emps did a deal with Chaos to have the Primarchs scattered to the worlds that would best suit their natures

@carsoncasmirri3874 10 ай бұрын

Except Lorgar ended up on the worst possible planet for a man of his talents

@piotrd.4850 8 ай бұрын

@@carsoncasmirri3874deals with deamons usually have lot of fine print.