Yamaha CP88 vs Roland RD-2000: Super Synth Comparison! Which One Sounds Better?

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@Darrin.Crawford
@Darrin.Crawford 5 жыл бұрын
Why I bought the CP88 (long-winded review/statement) For my history, I have previously owned a Roland A90 Piano/Midi controller and a Yamaha Clavinova PF-100 (circa 1994) and I got incredible amount of use from both but due to personal changes in my life I thought it was time to upgrade since I haven’t had anything new for almost 25 years. Just so everyone knows, I am not biased with any company whatsoever. Fast forward to Nov/2018 where I purchased a Nord Piano 4. Absolutely LOVED the sound however, there was a huge issue with the keybed as it was making more noise than it should. To the point upon release of the keys the noise would resonate through my mic and through my L1 compact. Not acceptable. After many views KZfaq comparison videos and personal demoing in my local music stores I was undecided between the Korg Grandstage, Korg Kronos, Roland RD 2000, Yamaha CP4, Korg Krome nd the Roland FA-08. All great pianos/workstations so it was a matter of sound, versatility and of course the keybed. So, back in April I my local store had a CP88 so I jumped on. They had it running through a small Fender amp and even with that I got soooo sooo excited ….just as I did my Nord. So, when that excitement hits, instinctively I go with it. Plus, the keybed/action was just so soooo amazing that the decision was made there and then. So, traded in my Nord Piano 4 it in for my new love, the CP88. Unfortunately they only had the floor model so they gave me their floor model as a loaner until the new one came in. So, as far as sound. I will admit I am not as happy with the piano sounds themselves compared to the Nord but with some tweaking with the EQ I have got 3 amazing piano sounds that I am very very happy with. The CFX has this sort of tinny sound to it and I will admit I thought the CFX on the CP4 was a bit better. However, the Imperial, S700 and the upright U1 are truly amazing. A little tweaking and you can basically get a great sound out of it. The CP80/70 sample is definitely comparable to the Nord (which I use quite a bit in my set) so apart from the bug that’s going to b fixed this coming September it sounds absolutely incredible. The Wurlitzer (especially with April’s update) totally blows the Nord away. I am just so so happy with it as it really helps with my Supertramp/10cc tunes that I use in my setlist. The keybed, Well, it truly came down to the CP4, the RD2000 and the CP88. The CP4 was great for sure as was the RD2000 but after a number of jumps between the CP88 and the RD 2000 I found the RD was a little heavier than the CP88 and the CP4 was a little lighter so the CP88 was the perfect balance between the two. As weird as it sounds (no pun) I feel my playing has actually improved on the CP88. Songs that I had a hard time playing before (Tony Banks’ Lamb intro and Firth Of Fifth plus some blues scales for example) are coming much more easier. Weird how that works. Yes, there are only 57 sounds with the CP88 as opposed to the NP4 and yes you can load samples into the NP4 but I had to be practical within myself. I use Logic Pro X for a trillion sounds that I can trigger so for home use/editing/sequencing for backing tracks the limitation of the sounds in the CP88 is not limiting to me at all. Plus, one has to ask themselves……or myself…how many sounds does one actually need? I mean seriously…these are stage pianos. I usually get between 3-5 gigs per month and I do not use more than 4-5 sounds within my 40 song setlist. So it’s basically, Acoustic Piano, CP80, Wurli, Rhodes and a AP with a combined Ample Acoustic Guitar (triggered through my laptop) /Piano sounds. The rest are just icing on the cake. Ok, the other pianos may give you way more sounds but in all honesty, many of them are just different variations of the same sample, Don't let 1000 sounds fool you into thinking you're getting 1000 samples because you're not. Now, that’s just me and I can’t speak for anyone else’s needs as everyone has different needs and requirements. I also love the fact that I do not have to use my M-Audio interface anymore as the CP88 has a USB audio interface built in so with that and my upcoming purchase of a Yamaha MG10XU mixer (USB audio interface) going through my Bose L1 Compact system will be the perfect match for me. So this whole notion that CP88 blows this out of the water…or The RD2000 feels better or the Nord Pianos sound so much better is total nonsense. It is ALL down to personal taste for personal needs. I will say for price, keybed, versatility (again depending on your needs), sound and weight (yes I can actually carry the piano in my gig bag with one hand) the CP88 is hard to beat….but that’s just me. Finally, I will say buying a piano is actually worse than buying a house or a car. Very stressful at times and we always want to make the "right" purchase. Yes, you can watch a trillion KZfaq videos, read all of their comments, jump on the forums, get a a thousand different opinions and yes it helps but many times it can actually confuse you even more and also cause ulcers...LOL. It’s best to think of your own needs and try not to let anyone’s opinions (comments) sway you but your own. Cost/price aside there will ALWAYS be pluses and minuses to any of these pianos and if I had to do it all over again I would have waited until April this year before purchasing the Nord and maybe taken more time to study as it’s been 9-10 months to land to where I am now. I hope my experience/review will resonate with anyone who is undecided in purchasing the CP88 or any other piano for that matter. Now get out there and get a CP88!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You won’t regret it….LOL!!!
@maptrking
@maptrking 3 жыл бұрын
HEY - thank you for your comments and reviews! This helps, tremendously!
@Earthling2046
@Earthling2046 3 жыл бұрын
when I need some information like this comment And it is popped up. Tks.
@simonrobert9858
@simonrobert9858 3 жыл бұрын
Halo...., recently YC comes out with 88key, please try and make comparison between cp88 and yc88 beacause i cant understand why yc with 88key, not double 61key. Thanks in advance.
@Darrin.Crawford
@Darrin.Crawford 3 жыл бұрын
@@simonrobert9858 Hey Simon, it seems no one can figure out why Yamaha did what they did....we're all scratching our heads just like you are. What I keep telling everyone is (from what I can tell) they are the same (virtually) apart from the organ engine and the amount of voices. It's best to the comparison with each respective's owner's manual. Also, it has been pointed out to me that the CP88 features XLR outputs whereas the YC88 does not. To me it's all based on preference but again silly move on Yamaha's part
@ferdearmas8732
@ferdearmas8732 3 жыл бұрын
P515 vs CP88?...
@callecolliander
@callecolliander 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I´m actually on a crossroad between these two. Haven´t had the oppurtunity to try them both at the same time. This vid made it clear for me. Yamaha it is!
@SamNiverba
@SamNiverba 5 жыл бұрын
Epic comparison with these two Titans , Rd-2000 & Cp88 are excellent sounding Stage Pianos , we need more comparison vids , Keep up the good work :)
@ProficiencyMusic
@ProficiencyMusic 5 жыл бұрын
Thx I appreciate it
@dmncnito
@dmncnito 4 жыл бұрын
I tried both in person and to decide is really hard. The difference is the feeling on the Roland's keys, real piano,
@mikelunz
@mikelunz 3 жыл бұрын
Roland keys have that satin bounce
@1970piano
@1970piano 5 жыл бұрын
Trank you for this nice comparison! What i miss there (especially for Rhodes and the Wurly samples) a little bit is how they sound if you hit the keys really hard. I find it important for a Rhodes sample how it „barks“ and for this, your playing is to soft. But you are a very good player, indeed.
@jeffreyreid6981
@jeffreyreid6981 4 жыл бұрын
1970piano Yeah but the action on the Yamaha is exceptional to I have it it’s a good action it makes you want to play it
@Kougeru
@Kougeru 5 жыл бұрын
Acoustic comparisons: 0:11 YAMAHA CFX 1:20 Roland Stage Grand 2:48 YAMAHA Imperial (Bösendorfer) 4:15 Roland Deep Concert
@mikelunz
@mikelunz 3 жыл бұрын
This Yamaha is of an extreme quality in and out. Every thing about it is built to last and preserve the sound and life of the instrument. This keyboard is one of those keyboards that will appreciate in value once it's discontinued.
@sphinx9517
@sphinx9517 3 жыл бұрын
You really think so. I see a lot of people complain about it 😭
@ferdearmas8732
@ferdearmas8732 3 жыл бұрын
@@sphinx9517 Why mate?...
@chrisanderson9981
@chrisanderson9981 Жыл бұрын
@@sphinx9517 I went with the CP88 because the Roland Rd2000 had a lot of complaints about defective keybeds that never got fixed even with replacements.
@marcelosp2976
@marcelosp2976 4 жыл бұрын
Prefiro o design do Roland, ainda pode misturar vários sons e tem ritmos de ótima qualidade, mas o som do Yamaha é superior!
@Robin_S78
@Robin_S78 5 жыл бұрын
After trying both very good stage pianos, Ilast week I went for the key action and better piano sound of the Kawai MP11SE. The CP is amazing for its purpose (stage), but I was underwhelmed by the sound as I missed the Piano details. Thumbs up for the video, great job!
@ProficiencyMusic
@ProficiencyMusic 5 жыл бұрын
I love the Kawais they are scarce around here though
@paulallenMacca
@paulallenMacca 5 жыл бұрын
What did you not like about the Yamaha CP88 i know the Yamaha's sound Bright.
@ronaldrubia8330
@ronaldrubia8330 4 жыл бұрын
Roland RD 2000 and Yamaha cp 88 are both good quality.....sadly I don't have them.... Even a single latest keys.....
@MartinWeeksmw
@MartinWeeksmw 2 жыл бұрын
Tough calll. As both of them (at least with this particular patch) sound amazing. Yamaha is a bit Brighter (?) or Cleaner (?) While Roland just has that warm Tummy Feel. (which by the way is what sold me on Presonus's Studio One DAW as their Sound Engine had that Warm Tummy thing like Roland.)
@phsycopiano
@phsycopiano Жыл бұрын
As far as the Keybed, which one feels more natural and real?
@Jim-to2oh
@Jim-to2oh 4 жыл бұрын
How would you compare the action? Both should have wooden keys and weighted hammer action, so how do they feel compared to the other?
@mikelunz
@mikelunz 3 жыл бұрын
The keyboard action of the Yamaha is superior to the Roland 2000, the keyboard action of the RD88 is unique to both and could also be considered for action- it feels similar to a real piano. The RD2000 has a wider array of sounds that can be downloaded than the Yamaha, but the Yamaha sounds superior to the RD2000. The RD2000 and the RD88 are inferior in construction, in my opinion, to the Yamaha. The Yamaha is housed in a metallic case, and much much more durable, as where the RD88 and RD2000 have a reputation for cracking on the sides from falling, as they are a plastic. If my memory serves correctly, the RD88 has a built in speaker, so you are not limited to needing to plug in if you are merely playing at home. All sound and play excellent, but these are my thoughts. If it were my choice, I’d want the rugged build and piano sound of the Yamaha, the keybed of the RD88 and the wide array of quality sounds from the RD2000.
@geoffk777
@geoffk777 5 жыл бұрын
Honestly, they both sound great. In this comparison, the Yamaha is maybe a little better, but you need to remember that the Roland has about 20 times more sounds on board (60 vs 1200), so you have a good chance of finding one that you like a bit better. For example, the first Roland piano isn't my favorite. The Roland sounds are very tweakable too. The Roland also has an exceptional action. Owning both, I use both, but the Roland is my go-to piano, usually. You wouldn't go wrong with either one.
@jeffreyreid6981
@jeffreyreid6981 4 жыл бұрын
geoffk777 Yeah the action On the Yamaha is exceptional as well it makes you want to play it I have it it’s nice and the Rhodes sounds very nice
@anotherperspective5682
@anotherperspective5682 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed 100%. I still own the old Rd-700 and use the piano setting "Forte Piano" and use EQ, raising highs and lowering lows, and honestly as a live piano, as long as I have EQ, it's the best piano between the two. I even brought it to a gig and compared to the new Nord stage piano, it's certainly better, and it's 18 years old. Just remember, having an eq means the piano is better, that's all there is to it. Also, the dynamics seem to be more obvious when pressing down hard on a Roland compared to the Yamaha. Though I do love playing Yamaha's, it's easier to make it sound good because they are just easier to play.
@MightyMonk360
@MightyMonk360 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve done some more research and noticed that Roland piano keys are slightly wider than Yamaha piano keys. I don’t have straw fingers so the width of the piano keys plays a major role to people with Hercules hands . I was not sure if I was the only one noticing this so I went to google to see if my fellow piano players were experiencing this phenomenon and to my surprise they have. It’s hardly noticeable it’s very subtle by a 0.1mm or 0.2mm those are generic numbers I’d have to take a ruler 📐 for precise measurements but when you have wider fingers your tend to bite the next key note and more likely to make a mistake as you play, that is if you’re accustomed to playing on a piano with wider keys like Roland. Yamaha piano keys are on the narrower side from my observation you need to have a delicate and accurate playing so your fingers fall all the time in the narrow space on the key so you don’t accidentally bite the next one, it’s not a dealbreaker if you have thin fingers or you’re just that accurate of a player and the narrow keys doesn’t affect your playing at all. It’s just something to check and keep in mind before buying a Yamaha piano. Maybe it’s just me but since there’s been others who picked up on those subtleties it’s fair to say I’m not the only one. If you have noticed this problem. Leave a comment and let me know if it’s something Yamaha should work on changing in the future.
@VadimChes
@VadimChes 8 ай бұрын
did you consider gaps between keys, not only width of the key itself?
@stuartdarling1620
@stuartdarling1620 4 жыл бұрын
This is a very interesting comparison depending on what you listen on. On my phone speaker the Yamaha seems to come across better, I keep noticing the overall punchiness of the sounds. But as soon as you put decent headphones on you realise the top and bottom ends have been hyped and now sound unrealistic, the midrange content is not so great when singled out and suddenly the Roland leaps out in terms of nuanced detail. Make sure you listen to this video on a number of sources before you make up your mind
@redsoxcentury
@redsoxcentury 3 жыл бұрын
I disagree. The Roland sounds decent using my phone but playing this video through my DAC and headphone amp (both Schitt products) with my neutral studio cans (Sennheiser HD250) the Roland sounds a little on the artificial side but it sounds rich. The Yamaha sounds slightly brighter but natural. I prefer the Yamaha but you can't go wrong with either - it just comes down to preference.
@deme
@deme 3 ай бұрын
I love the sound Of the Yamaha🎹❣️
@Fruitbat-tb3lg
@Fruitbat-tb3lg 2 жыл бұрын
Great watch, but I found the dust on the Roland to be a nightmare for my OCD tendencies lol
@ProficiencyMusic
@ProficiencyMusic 2 жыл бұрын
i used my hands to try to clean it off, but it didn't do much!
@MightyMonk360
@MightyMonk360 4 жыл бұрын
Idk in my opinion Roland piano Keys are the closest to a real acoustic piano, and Yamaha’s piano keys always feels plasticky. I can’t stomach the feeling, not worth all the bells and whistles if they can’t get something as simple as the feel of the piano keys right, since you spend the majority of the time experiencing the piano keys as you play. Yamaha has a lot of catch up to do in that area otherwise their piano sounds amazing, Roland is always my go to, Yamaha second they are both great. They aren’t the same so I don’t see the point for the constant comparison but that’s what people do, it’s like two hot woman, it’s a hard decision choosing one over the other, it all comes down to preference and which one has the qualities and features you’re looking for. It’s the right one (piano) or the right women when you not only love her (your piano of choice) but also satisfied and happy with her.
@mikelunz
@mikelunz 3 жыл бұрын
I agree that Roland makes a superior keybed in general, to almost all keyboards. I’m a huge fan of Roland key designs. However, I would say that the Yamaha cp88’s keys are of a better feel than the rd2000. I do prefer the RD88 to both, though, although the build quality of the Yamaha cp88 is definitely superior
@jmlt-zb8px
@jmlt-zb8px 5 жыл бұрын
Where did the polls go? My favourite part... 😭
@ProficiencyMusic
@ProficiencyMusic 5 жыл бұрын
Lol I didn't think anyone voted... and I didn't know what to do with the poll info either
@Ironyalone86
@Ironyalone86 4 жыл бұрын
Acoustic piano on the Yamaha is the best. I already have Dgx 650. So, I think the RD2000 is next in the list.
@orthopraxis235
@orthopraxis235 3 жыл бұрын
Yamaha best piano, Roland best synth?
@NEOgoglles.1
@NEOgoglles.1 4 жыл бұрын
RD-2000の方が 音に円やかさと 深みがあるな
@revelationsoundstudio
@revelationsoundstudio 4 жыл бұрын
The Yamaha with headphones clearly sounds better than the Roland which has a little more of a fake sound. Apparently the Roland RD88 is slightly better sounding than the RD2000 as they improve the resonance but the Yamaha is the choice for me.
@marvinkmooneyoz
@marvinkmooneyoz 4 жыл бұрын
what else would have the newer sound, or only the rd88?
@user-xy8ec9nw3u
@user-xy8ec9nw3u 3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂
@ispianist
@ispianist Жыл бұрын
@@marvinkmooneyoz also fp30x and is also cheaper
@chrisnat7142
@chrisnat7142 4 жыл бұрын
Over all Cp88 is the best!
@ferdearmas8732
@ferdearmas8732 3 жыл бұрын
And between P515 and CP88, which is the best?...
@lalnunsangaasanga5801
@lalnunsangaasanga5801 4 жыл бұрын
Yamaha win.
@tdijon7
@tdijon7 9 ай бұрын
It’s gotta be the Yamaha.
@DaveNob-by5ut
@DaveNob-by5ut 9 ай бұрын
I think the yahama sounds better
@davidmiller3652
@davidmiller3652 2 жыл бұрын
Recently purchased and sent my CP88 back. There was very noticeable keybed noise on every note while playing all piano samplings (even though the piano sounds were excellent). And the Ab above the octave plinked in stead of resonating. Musicians Friend took it back right away but, all in all a bad experience. Yamaha's has developed a slap together factory mentality and to save money really low balled the Keybed. Cheap aluminum frame as well. There are many great features on it but the above mentioned issue's were a deal breaker.
@ikepre
@ikepre 2 жыл бұрын
This comment is on EVERY CP88 video on KZfaq. Interesting….
@ispianist
@ispianist Жыл бұрын
@ikepre That's right I own the cp88. It is very noisy compared to my Studiologic numa x piano gt. I think cause yamaha does not use escapement action like Roland or studiologic .
@lovelim6314
@lovelim6314 4 жыл бұрын
야마하 승(cp88 win)
@markjaylandes
@markjaylandes 5 жыл бұрын
@21:09 Cringeworthy. That Leslie is awful! Hopefully it's tweakable like on the FA series.
@ProficiencyMusic
@ProficiencyMusic 5 жыл бұрын
Honestly none of organ presets in the roland were right. For that price it better be tweakable!
@RayyMusik
@RayyMusik 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, the Leslie sims are tweakable, albeit not the best in the world. As for the organ samples: download the free expansion sounds which are more than acceptable.
@rizkyirawan3544
@rizkyirawan3544 4 жыл бұрын
Yamaha knows piano more than roland
@ispianist
@ispianist Жыл бұрын
Cause yamahas are samples vs modeling pianos of the Roland.
@phsycopiano
@phsycopiano Жыл бұрын
@@ispianist There both great. Yamaha and Roland are my favorite
@chrisanderson9981
@chrisanderson9981 Жыл бұрын
@@ispianist Roland uses both samples and modeling though. I believe it's dual engine with the V-Piano AND Supernatural stuff.
@phsycopiano
@phsycopiano 4 жыл бұрын
Roland hands down
@calebrabion
@calebrabion 4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, Roland can't touch Yamaha's pianos.
@jmail7946
@jmail7946 Ай бұрын
play each patch too long
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