Well ... Hopping it will not a thief who sitting behind the keyboard ... :-) :-) :-)

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I've never had a Korg but have owned several Yamaha instruments. This demo hardly distinguishes between the two. However, I must say that the Korg looks more professional and an ideal stage instrument

Then just get a piano.

Yamaha does have this. To have both in one sound, you can use the MegaVoices on the Yamaha. However, the MegaVoices are only useful for midi because of velocity switching.

I am buying both .

Eso porque no eligió nomás el sonido correcto. Hay saxos del korg pa4x qué suenan demasiado bien incluso mejor que de yamaha

Me too :/

me too

You hit the nail on the head. I'm listening and whichever one sounds better, I find myself saying, nothing that a little EQ adjustment can't fix.

Saving $1500 is a huge deal for anyone.

I agree with the Korg having the noticeably better lower register, but on some instruments it seems slightly muddy.

That would not be an option for me. You also have to compare the price at launch or wait a bit. Currently the difference between Genos and Pa4x 76 is still 677 € or 776 $. And I do not have to be annoyed for the money for years.

Korg have some serious issues in low frequency take, it sounds like there is some serious phase issues, no transients. This comparison is only one part of the sound test, the real thing is playing those two brands live, then Korg sounds like it is broken. Every Korg for the past 30 years sounds the same, they do it intentionally, but why no one knows.

Same Dan...I'm also korg fan and user,but just about every sound is more realistic on the Yamaha 🙈

I had a slight feeling The Korg and The Yamaha weren't presented through the same speaker system. The Yamaha usually sound better!

lol exactly what I was thinking about them

Nah mate. U legit got it opposite.

Exactly, your comment remind me something I said time ago: get a Yamaha if you want to create music for a movie end credits, get a Korg if you want to play in a band. Yamaha sounds are warmer, Korg sounds are crispy.

El Yamaha es mejor que korg es solo propaganda

EEE.. KORG SUPER .

No no,,, korg is extreme

I can not buy either Genos or Korg but after testing from shop, Genos is a lot of better!! I hope that i will get Genos or his next model(Genos 2:) ) in the future :)

@@radekskalik5602 At least, a new Genos Le ;)

@@eliasjeisu1182 Please, mention those "lacks" Txs.

the engine is not the same yamaha is closed and you can not set all things by hand youself as on korg you can the engine of korg can be simple updated yes now the genos can also but the same .....no way .. start the genos and the korg from cold start and see the different between startup time so the same ????? and ketron sd9 yes if ketron would have a better after sale but this is really bad and you know that ...

Creería que el KORG también es designed by korg italy y Made in china

i have tyros 5 and korg pa4x i find the korg has better trumpets accordions organ guitar .Yamaha has better strings/vocal sounds /sax brass is much better and the guitar .i can play more movie film scores on the tyros 5 than the korg .but the rock styles are superior to yamaha and it sounds more like a live band the korg .

I have a cheap ass synth and it sounds better than all arrangers but i need an arranger just for styles. Why is there no arranger synthesizer?? is it so hard to make in 2018 ffs??

Band in a Box ? But interesting that your "cheap ass" synth sounds better. The Genos cost more than most other Top synths and Workstations. It isn't a synth and there will be things it can' do that a real synth can with voice editing, but compared with other "synths" that is based on a "rompler" or sampler + a sequencer/daw, the Genos blows the bejesus out of most other so called Sampler or rompler based workstations no matter if its an "arranger" keyboard or a more "professional" workstation. So unless you want a specific analog or digital synth for specific work with synthesizer sounds, you won't find many other sample based workstations that sound better than the Genos, or Korg pa dependent wich one you like the best. These instruments today is so full fledged sample workstations that its kinda wrong just to call them an "arranger keyboard" (like back in the 80ies and 90ies when the "arranger keyboards" was mostly regarded as toys for home mucissians only). Only thing that beats these 2 keyboards today (with its possibilities and user customized sounds) is the Wersi Sonic OAX line, but they also cost as much as a small house for the big organ versions wich is totally nuts.

I don't have any experience with lots of keyboards i never had pa arrangers or new workstations such as triton or m3 kronos orthe arranger korg pa4x etc ,but with what i'v heard digital synthesizers and new workstations are about the same in terms of the sound quality and very high sound quality mostly top of the line ones. And with what i'v read and experienced synths workstations lack of styles but some do have some beats which can be useful at times but nothing compared to the great and additional styles of an arranger. On the other side arranger's sound quality depends on the price of the arranger and even a mid range arranger would sound good and perform live and you would still get the feeling od a good sound quality , and the high end arrangers tend to have a very good sound quality , very close to a synth. But it might not be for all sounds i don't know there might be sounds from an high end arranger such as genos that sound same as a mid range/top of the line synth/workstation . And i see some saying genos is a workstation and i believe genos is an high end arranger based on styles etc but if it's an arranger synthesizer workstation then well done to yamaha as that means people won't be using 2 keyboard anymore on clubs parties live shows etc one for sounds and one for styles,but they can use 1 instead. And if it's an arranger only ,i think it's a matter of time and we will soon see arranger synths out there .I don't see why it's impossible . I personally haven't compared an genos or any other top of line arranger with an high end synth workstation.But if i have a chance to compare them or play them and hear them both and if the difference is very small i'd definitely go for the high end arranger . I was thinking to buy a sound module with synth sounds as they tend to have high sound quality like integra 7 or any other sound module but i'm afraid the response time will not be as good as a keyboard with built in sounds would have to try it, they say if you use a software synth from pc and if the pc doesn't have a very good processor the keyboard might not be very responsive but sound mudules would be better/faster than the software i guess .

Believe me the Genos is on full par, sound Quality wise with things like Korg Kronos (the sampler/rompler/Strings/plucked engine part) and eg the Roland Integra. Most of the Tyros line and now Genos is using some of the best of Yamaha's own Motiff samples, Its just far superior to the Motiff in terms of ease of use, and the fact that you have the arranger part makes it very easy to use, not just for home or party musicians, but also for professional arranger/producers in the studio to create the groundwork for writing/arranging music. You can of course allways discuss if you like a certain sound better from another keyboard but the general quality of the sounds can compare with just about anything on the market. The Integra is what imho gets closest to compare with eg the Genos cause many of the Integra sounds have different articulation sounds like the Yamaha, but I don't know if they are as easy to use as the SA2 sounds. personly I don't think the pa4 is even close to compare, but thats personly. I never really liked the sound of the Korg pa line. However, It is much like buying a car today. There isn't many "bad cars" around today when you hit a certain price range .. same with electronics. if you pay 5k+ $ or Euro's for a keyboard, you wont get a bad keyboard. You can however get just what YOU want if you buy a good keyboard controller, a Mac Book Pro, a good Thunderbolt Audio interface and what software synths you like, but it will also be twice the price or more and you won't have the easy to use arranger, and yes if you arent in love with Apple and want to try your luck with a PC notebook, you propably will run into some trouble unless you know what to buy. Latency is the big struggle with software solutions, but in most cases a mediocre Macbook with an i5 processor will in many cases run just as good if not better than a PC gaming notbook with the largest i7 you can find, and the advanced GFX cards in a gaming PC will cause more problems than most users know.

As a young straight forward pianist and musician I had both and I ended with the PA4x. The keys are much better to play. The sounds: yes, depends. But what I do not like with the Yamaha: Many settings are so deep down in the menus and not practically accessable and absolutely not suited for "my" stage performances. I think as a younger producer like piano player, singer songwriter, the PA4X is way way better. Yamaha offered me an endorsement for the Genos, but I did not take it since I did not feel comfortable with it... only my experience.

@@jordambee I have both, with 2 more machines. I can say with much certitude that Yamaha menus are far easier to navigate through then Korg. In case of Pa4X, the fact that it has so many hardware buttons makes it easier to access what you want quickly. That helps a lot if you are playing as a one-man band who is improvising in a gig or a stage performance. Genos offers more assignable keys and one-touch settings that compensates for their progressive views on how keyboards evolve with less buttons. Of course that still required you to plan your performance, which is only logical. Pa4X has some signature sounds that no Yamaha has, and vice versa. The ribbon control and woodwind interface control, and KAOSS are unique features to Pa4X. Nuances and sound clarify on the Genos on the other hand are superior. Keys are a tad lighter which fits the purpose of a keyboard. The expressions and styles on Genos are richer and note crisp. Pa4x's after touch makes it more enjoyable with higher realism, that and of course the "live" feel of the sounds. In a studio, Genos is king in almost all aspects, except for the cheap plastic look and rather lighter weight, when compared with the high finesse of the material finish and minimalist grand retro look and feel of the Pa4X. Two great machines that complement each other for anyone that could afford having both. But if budget is of the essence, I personally would go for the Genos, even if that meant a compromise on on-the-fly flexibility for live performances and tweaking leewy. Sound quality for me is key.

@Lesley Carter, I own both, plus a Clavinova CVP-809B and a Roland Fantom 8. I also had a CVP-709PE from 2016, and had a PSR-A3000, PSR-A2000 and a PSR-A1000 during the past 17 years. When I was a teenager through mid twenties I could only afford GEM and Yamaha keyboards, not Korg or Roland. Hands down, all Yamaha are much easier and more intuitive to operate than any other keyboard. Super Articulation sounds are top drawer that nothing else can beat. In terms of tweaking, Genkd offers 80% of Pa4X's capability, albeit the 20% gives more than just additional leeway, but a smoother seamless operation. Each keyboard had its unique features that makes it a must for capable musicians to own both if they could afford that of course. I bought the CVP series because I wanted 88 fully weighted hammer effect keys which neither Genos nor Pa4X offered, and I didn't want to invest in another synthesizer like Yamaha Montage 8 especially that I had the Roland Fantom 8 synthesizer. I opted for the CVP-709PE for the real piano feel (and amazing polished ebony look) with linear graded keys. Before Christmas I got a great deal on upgrading to CVP-809B when it had a launch price offer (standard walnut matt black wood finish). Grand Touch, more S.Art 1&2 sounds, more styles, enhanced menu, bigger screen and better sound system. just missing the polished ebony look.

The CVP-809 and the Genos are basically the same thing. In fact, the CVP-809 has slightly more than the Genos.

Except in the IURD where they only use Yamaha! :P

piano yamaha is the best❤️

For the Genos, I'd say that Yamaha became less user friendly. They added a touch screen, which I cannot use since I'm blind. I know they added Voice Guide, but I don't like the voice used for it.

Korg dosen't sound good.

I have owned both. Unless you are talking about the MG edition of the Pa4X (with external dedicated buttons for oriental scale), both are capable of playing oriental. As a matter of fact, even my CVP-809 digital piano is capable of playing oriental as Yamaha provides full control over tone scaling. Strings and piano voices on Yamaha are cleaner, and in general, the finesse of sound of Genos is higher. The characteristics of the sounds is a different story, as this is subjective to the taste of the player/listener. In terms of live performance, unless you are talking about one-man band, I would say Pa4X has the edge, given the number of physical buttons that help navigate quicker. That said, the user interface of Pa4X is sub-par, and no where near half as good as that of Genos'. Yamaha have a more structured and intuitive user interface with better displays. This makes Genos easier to handle when in a live performance as part of a band (Genos is not as versatile as Pa4X for one-man band, as you need to use the screen to navigate to different features, despite having a number of assignable buttons and one-touch settings). For a studio, a synthesizer is what is needed, not an arranger. But if one is limited to one device and require arranger capabilities, then certainly Genos is the way to go, especially with the ease of interfacing it with other systems without compromise on sound quality deterioration due to impedance matching issues. Pa4X is more versatile when it comes to customization and modification than Genos.

@@firasalatiyat866 I own the Genos, love it, except for piano. Does the Korg piano sound better to you?

@@Johnherlihy1 hey John, I think it all boils down to personal taste, which is quite subjective. You could tune the piano voices on the Genos, but I for one prefer not to do that. I find their CFX not quite as rich as the one on CVP-809, especially in the "Piano Room" mode which most probably used physical modeling as opposed to sampling (Genos has mostly samples). You can always tune your voices on the Genos to give it more low end depth for example, where I see it lacking, but I for one don't like doing that. The piano on the Pa4X was "processed", which is more or less what you could get if you tune the Genos. It just did not sound right for someone with a mostly audiophile ear preference (I don't want to say a purist, because I do at times enjoy EQ in my music). The CVP-809 is gone (for space limitations) and I had it replaced with a stack of Genos on top of Viscount Physis K4 EX which is a master MIDI controller with physical modeling sound engine, and believe me, the sounds in there blow those of the any other Korg or Yamaha or Roland out of the water! They have an "Italian Grand" that's most probably a modelled Faziol that has no equal anywhere. I could easily write a whole poem about it. That too was gone for a good buyer, chiefly because I wasn't quite happy with the action and needed a better user interface. Long story short, I was considering the Roland Phantom 8 (for the keybed action) but ended up getting the Korg Kronos 2 Titanium which has an Italian Grand, but that's no where near the sound that the K4-EX had. With the Kronos in the scene, the Pa4X had no place really, even as an arranger (where the Genos offers superiority).