i'm seriously thinking of purchasing the M8X,,,got to go for the flagship!,,So looking forward to Claudio's unboxing and demo for sure!!!

I Totally Agree!

Yamaha pulled the 'better converter' scam when the modx came out. But now everyone agrees they sound the same. Of course you hear a better sound, that is how you will justify getting ripped off. Sadly KZfaq mangles all sound so your imagination is running wild.

just thought the same. Will buy a NI Kontrol 61 for polyphonic at and use diva or Arturia / CherryAudio / GForce PLugins which seems way better than ANX .. Wanted to buy it, but wo Poly AT M6 and M7 are way overpriced ..

The comparison is misleading. They aren't as close as this demo makes it seem like. The old Montage and MODX are still great regardless though.

Agree with you I still have the Vintage Yamaha rs7000 as the master then I slave the Modx both sound fantastic together. Especially plugging the rs7000 into modx effects settings is awesome!!!

@@steffenfriedle3254I highly recommend against the Kontrol ecosystem. I just returned my second Kontrol S61 MK3 due to it crashing, failed updates and constant freezing and loss of sound. Very unreliable! 😬

I’ll say this, the montage M is a masterpiece. Don’t know why Yamaha took until now to make it, but it will knock your socks off. You can’t judge any sound over KZfaq , the subtlety is lost because of KZfaq’s audio/video compression algorithm. iF you can tell a difference on KZfaq and your wearing good headphones , you can bet it’s a huge difference ! If you can tell which is better over your phone speaker on KZfaq … forgetaboutit!

@@DG-ss1gc Yes, the EX5 20 years ago was also a masterpiece of the time but at that time a computer was not capable of handling sounds like a Yamaha could, but that has now changed. I just wanted to tell you that I can create with plugins today, sounds that not even the Montage M can imagine and I can create all the sounds that the Montage brings, that's the difference. Furthermore, the sound is so, so good and polished, that it stops being interesting. Yamaha has lost the 'organic' in its sounds that it had until the SY-85. Then it was standardized and we got to this point. In any case, there are many fans who love their sounds and I obviously respect that. Greetings!

So I did what you said. Put my headphones in my PS5 controller and went to another room. If I have to strain to hear a difference, then I don’t need it. I already have the MODX8+. I’m good.

There is something else worth mentioning. If you wanted to purchase an expensive keyboard synth the choice wouldnt be montage OR montage m. The original isn't sold new anymore.

@@UFO-Ark It's worth to buy used Montage these weeks, as people are changing for the new model and putting their previous Montage on the sale.

For the imported sounds from previous montage, I can hear difference on some Fm-x sounds. Of course you can have all your work ready to go with new M and if you want you can improve all the sounds imported with new engine, waveforms, sounds, partials on awm2… :)

@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB Sounds to me that the older Montage has less reverb and more a dry sound. Might be interesting to turn off all effects unless that was already done.

I hope they unlock the extra memory already in the old MODX, and add the AN-X engine to all the keyboards in the family to keep the whole platform on the same page of software compatible. As it stands, the Montage M does have new sonic abilities the old models don't.

@@classicarcadeamusementpark4242 Cross my fingers))

@@poplarmeadow same sounds is crazy

ciao! in questo video ho usato suoni che già esistevano sul vecchio modello, quindi nulla di AN-X. arriveranno altri video dedicati solo alle novità presenti nel nuovo modello.

@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB perfetto, grazie mille!

Thank you, yes dedicated videos of new functions and sounds will be soon online! 😉

Read the description, this is a comparison between imported sounds created with Montage OG, the new M it’s far superior as sounds, engines, memory and so on ;) surely worth the upgrade! After 7yrs of ownership of OG Montage, and the new model since october 2023, I’m really happy with the new M

yep, and they added more features, sounds and faster UI so the new M is an evolved Montage ;) "old" Montage was already an amazing Synth!

And also you have more sounds, memory, faster UI, more partials on AWM2, more poliphony and AN-X.. 😉

@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB Yes, but as studio worker I go track by track and dont need 100 voices at the same time. If I need high level sound I use plugins like UH-E or soundlibraries like spitfire audio. For single note aftertouch I use Roli Seaboard Rise with MPE. May be, that yamaha, roland, ... are good at live, but for best sounds HQ-plugins are better.

Hi Jim! I’ve created all my sounds on “old” montage and imported my full backup into the new M. And the sounds are exactly the same on both machines with no changes.. but some of the sounds are not exactly the same! The point of this video is: do you really need the new M??

@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB I guess not, if I can just add a VST with AN-X-like sounds, by adding an iPad or a laptop to my current MONTAGE 6

yep! that's an option! if you don't need the new additions to the M, you can live with the "old" Montage without any problem!

@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB gotcha. I think where it becomes compelling is that the new one adds a whole bunch of new features, obviously. The main draw for me is the AN-X engine, increased flash ROM for user samples, vastly improved OS, and poly aftertouch on the 8X. All of that together makes it the one synth to rule them all for a gigging player... quite the monster!

@@JimDaneker, I've had the M8x for a couple weeks. Prior to moving to the Nord Stage 3 and then Stage 4, I was using a Montage 7 for gigs. Over time (my keyboard roll was expanding)... I grew dissatisfied with the OG Montage Organs, Pianos, and especially Analog type synth sounds. With the Pianos, part of that was the unweighted keys. On Foreigner's "Feels Like The First Time", there's the descending synth melody in the bridge. For that, I wanted to use a Moog'ish mono-synth sound. On the OG Montage (using AWM2), the articulation of the Filter and Note Priority were not completely accurate. To get Filter articulation closer to what I wanted, I had to leave the sound set to polyphonic. The AN-X certainly addresses these types of issues. The AN-X Filters (to my ears) sound a bit generic... but it's a major step forward vs. using AWM2. Being able to have up to 128 Elements in a single Part... is extremely flexible (especially with the numerous trigger options). I've already sampled the Stage 4's B3 organ drawbars/percussion... and assembled those into a single Part. The Faders are acting like 8 drawbars, the 1' drawbar is assigned to the first Knob. Percussion, note on/off click, and Rotar noises are each assigned to Knobs. While not exactly like using the Stage 4, it certainly feels more like that (more realtime control/feedback) than the OG Montage. Compared to the Stage 4's 1GB, the M8x's near 4GB space for User Samples is certainly appealing. The new keyboard feels great... as does the poly-aftertouch. Aftertouch is one of the best feeling/responding I've experienced (poly or channel). Only down side to M8x is the size and weight. It's HUGE and weighs 62 pounds. M8x is IMO a major step forward. It's the closest we have to Kontakt in a hardware instrument.

A much bigger different than this demo showed when using new sound patches designed to make use of the new features, instead of using the same patches that existed on the old model. "No big difference in sound" as this demo shows is misleading people.

@@classicarcadeamusementpark4242 probably true......i haven't tested yet..i only said what i heard from this video with monitors.. maybe it's the way it has been recorded as well..

maybe is because this is not a video of: this is what M can do and the old Montage not! :) this is how they compare with the same imported sounds (and old Montage users surely want to know if their sounds can be better or the same into the new Montage M). Want to hear the new sounds (AN-X and others) of the new M? more dedicated videos are currently in the working

@classicarcadeamusementpark4242 probably you don't get the point of this demo (and you've not reeded the video description at all...)

@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB In your defense, I only read the title. But as I looked at your description today, I see you explained that a bit. However, I'd recommend changing the title, because most viewers will only see the title, and the title is misleading even if the fine details in the description explain the point of the video. Many people like me won't immediately read the description. I have a MODX, and feel the regular Montage is great too with or without the M upgrades. But there noteworthy upgrades there that will affect sounds specifically made to take advantage of them.

Give me money and I’ll sell you mine 😂

Yes and also all the expanded awm2, but this is not the point of this demo.. we all know that you can do much more with the new M, yes of course.. but a Montage 6 now is 2000€ cheaper than M6.. so the point is: do you really need the other features? do you have to pay 2k more? Existing sounds are the same on both instruments? I know that if you use 128 partials with awm2 and add also an-x old Montage can’t do the same.. I use Montage since 2017 🙂

Yeah true I compared also with my Montage and really your not missing anything with the original M sound wise, I am sure the only draw back to the original is the continued improvements and updates you will receive with the new M series.

If you have good ears there is difference between the Modx, Montage and Montage M. But most users won’t hear this. It’s exactly the same as listening to a CD player with modest off the shelf converters and a highend product with super converters. If yor listening gear is not on par, very few will be able to tell the difference

@@mrdali67 Even with all the high end gear, sound wise the difference is minimal and minimal to some is not worth the upgrade, I can see if it is a big difference then it's worth it,

@@jbeliz I fully agree. The difference from eg the Modx and (old) montage is negiglable to a point at where I’d doubt anyone will be able to hear on a mix wether a sound is recorded from either of them

It’s you

It’s all in the settings add some bass to warm and reduce the cutoff and resonate a little

@@dave3987 then that would defeat the purpose of this entire video. The point is to leave both instruments as flat as possible (EQ) and from there listen to the difference in sound.

I actually agree with @yannDyangu. It's warmer and it's a bit richer and fuller. Gotta have a good ear to hear the minimal nuances

@@saulholguin9251 richer and fuller... great description!

This video is only for the: audio quality improved. Btw if you don’t need all the new additions you can live with your Montage :)

Yes, many difference… and more videos will be online soon with new M sounds only

The new M have a little bit more sound depth and overall gain, many sounds are exactly the same. Some sounds have more difference (probably some FM-X sounds) Of course this comparison is based on the existings sounds available for Montage (preset and my custom sounds) New M have more sounds, new an-x (very powerful engine btw) and more feature. The point of this comparison is: do you really need the new M? Or an “old” Montage can give you what do you need?

Totally Agree. The Montage M sounds louder. But otherwise there's not a large difference between the sounds demoed. One would not really hear the difference when playing live with a band - I will keep my Montage 7 for now. For the extra features the Montage M has, one could simply venture into VSTs .... paired-up with a Korg Keystage!

I totally agree with all of your comments!

just less attack

I mean gain and EQ are cheap remedies. Especially if you have great speakers, it wouldn’t matter.

The new model are taller but with a flat surface, the grip is exactly the same.. now they are much more similar to the design of Super Knob. Both design works well, so no problem 😉

Yep, for the form factor you're right! same sizes for all three models but with different layout on panel (for knobs, display, buttons...) I Think that after 7 years, an update with new features and some changes is great! and the new additions are really useful and also the UI now is more faster than before!

@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB Thanks. Suppose good news as I'm guessing it's saved some components going needlessly to waste when they switched production. Cheers and thanks again for a great side by side. Please keep them coming

No bluetooth available into Montage, you have to use cables: Jack or Usb

someone here at YT said the DACs of the old Montage are even worse than MODX, he replaced them and sound is much better ..

@@steffenfriedle3254can’t believe everything you read on the net.

exactly the same for all 3 models

Thank you @@DKS-SYNTH-LAB

Hi Brendan, like previous Montage you can’t find a full sequencer because Montage is not a Workstation but a Synthesizer, and with all the available daw’s (also Cubase AI free with Montage) Yamaha did not use internal full sequencer. I think the new M is amazing and a great update to the previous model. Btw also old montage is really a great instrument and if you don’t want to add 2000€/$ over your old montage to buy the M version, you can live with that (this is the purpose of this video 😉 ) Btw i’ve sold my old montage after 6 years and this is the only instrument that convinced me to do it

Thanks for you input. I went ahead and ordered a new one. I didn’t want to get a used one from an individual, just because I would have less recourse if there was an issue, so I just got new M. In that scenario it was well worth it because I only saw used montage (old generation) for $2400-$2500. And got the new m6 for $3200 plus tax of course. Since I didn’t have to sell my old Montage That made much more sense to get a brand new board. Thanks for your input and great videos!

One more question Is there a good place to download some nice analog sounding basses. (Like early Vince Clarke yaz) I love all the sounds I’ve heard on KZfaq, but haven’t heard a lot of great analog style basses that sound great…. Thanks again

probably the best place to download sounds for Yamaha instruments is Soundmondo@@brendanm.9946

Great Thanks again

Também possuo um Montage 7, já com a última versão. Acho que não justificaria trocar agora por um Montage M para ter somente alguns recursos novos a mais sendo que a relação custo benefício não compensaria.

@@dnk700 penso igual!! O meu também é última versão, pelo que percebi, o M tem apenas alguns synts a mais, sendo que o motor de piano continua o mesmo. Alguns botões a mais é um painel touch pra efeitos. Coisas que eu mesmo não utilizo. Talvez daqui uns tempos posso pensar na troca, mas espero ficar com o meu por muito tempo ainda.

Of course new Montage M has many new sounds, waveforms, performances and so on.. did you have read the video description?

@@DKS-SYNTH-LABonly heard the same sounds of regular montage

In generale, quello che esisteva già si può importare senza problemi, io ho caricato il mio backup e ha funzionato alla perfezione e mi sono ritrovato tutti i suoni fatti, setlist, samples assegnati ai tasti esattamente come sul vecchio modello. Alcuni suoni (principalmente FM-X) sono leggermente diversi a parità di impostazioni e a livello sonoro si sente solo leggermente un po' di volume in + e un po' di profondità di suono extra, ma il fatto è che già il primo Montage suonava davvero benissimo e non serviva nemmeno migliorare lo stadio di uscita a parer mio. Poi bisogna considerare invece tutto quello che c'è di nuovo nelle nuove M che porta Montage ad un altro livello e tutte quelle cose nel vecchio modello non si possono avere. In ogni caso sto preparando altri video dedicati alla nuova M e la recensione in italiano. Detto questo, io personalmente mi ritengo soddisfatto del nuovo modello e trovo che il passaggio dalla vecchia alla nuova sia veramente quasi indolore e di conseguenza c'è un naturale proseguo di quello che è stato fatto dal 2016

@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB ottimo grazie.... sto' seguendo i tuoi video perché devo fare un cambio set up dove il peso è importante, infatti sto valutando anche la Modx6

i like both! but the new M it sound great! and also don't forget the new features :)

Lol, I have the new Montage and I can tell you it is MUCH better.

There is a difference in the high end between the 2. The old has a more “open” stereo image as well on some patches.

Did you have the original Montage?@@Echochamber79

@@m.s.-16 Yes!

For the imported sounds from old montage Yes! You can’t compare new sounds and old sounds with different sound engines :) new Montage M can do much more

And invalidate my warranty? I don’t think so 🤣😂 buy one for 3790€ and open it up!😉

Dai fallo per il web, smontala! 😂

si certo! sto già aprendo.. XD

On the surface it appears that way. In the Scotts Synth Stuff review, he identified that the new M8X key bed has electromagnetic sensors instead of contacts - that could enhance reliability and reduce maintenance costs I guess. The memory and processors are also enhanced. I'd wait a few months until user feedback is available and hopefully a price drop now that they are made outside Japan.

Nope 🤣

Mmmh this is not so relevant.. the real point is the quality of the instrument and if you join parts with the same high quality standard in Japan, Malasya or on the Moon you can’t see any difference. The real point is: great engeniers with great ideas to realize great instruments. And Montage M is absolutely great 😉 The real problem btw are the high production cost and exportation taxes from Japan to other countries.. Montage M is not cheap, with a production in Japan the price surely would be much higher

While the Montage M line may be undeniably great synths (I will be buying one) and still well made, the country of origin definitely matters when it comes to retaining value. Japan is the gold standard for quality and durability. Why do you think they made only the Montage 8 in Japan if it doesn't matter? I'm guessing it's because the hammer action keys on the 8 required a higher level of precision/quality control than the 6/7. I hope the new Montages are as well built as my Montage 8, but time will tell.

Just a correction: all three models of Montage M are built in Indonesia (also Montage M8X) @@TJ_PowPow

For some sounds yes, for others you can hear more difference

Yep. DKS, which sound do you like? I kinda like the old one. I wonder how it would compare to a 7th generation super synth.

Yamaha lies its costumers! They lied about MODX+ having 2 chips like the Montage comparing to regular MODX that has only one chip. But recently we found out that Yamaha was lying and the new MODX+ has only one chip like the old MODX. You can even replace mainboard of MODX with the mainboard of MODX+ and the old MODX will start to behave like a MODX+ with doubled memory and polyphony for FM-X engine. It means old MODX has enough memory on hard disk and CPU power and they could double memory and FM-X polyphony on MODX with simple firmware update, like other brands are doing. But no, Yamaha lied to us! They made only firmware update but put it in the new box called MODX+. If they lied about MODX+ having 2 chips like the Montage and telling it’s the reason why MODX+ is more expensive and old MODX discontinued and we found out that it’s not true, why should I believe Yamaha that new Montage M has better converters than the old Montage? I don’t hear significant difference in this video. Few differences can be result of different keybed. So because they are obviously lying their costumers, I’m done with the Yamaha!

@@roggyo I wonder why no hardware vendor began to start subscriptions - in days of "sustainability" it would be much better to improve existing hardware instead of selling new ones .. But yes the new displays above and the different workflows are better .. but it would be much better so see this as a new housing but sell even new boards - or add memory and so forth --

probably a 7 years "old" synth can't do more without any hardware improvement... 7 years in electronic world is like ages... for example look how many changes for a smartphone was made in 7 years... I think original montage can't do more than that. Probably they can add something but at one big risk: outdated hardware with many features and not stable instrument or with many problems. btw Yamaha, like all other manufacturers, need to make money.. and after 7 years, they release a new model to make other money :)

Read video description please..

because some are not identical... ;) and the point is: do you really need to upgrade to the newer model?

Did you read the video descriprion?

More videos about Montage M soon online ;)

But they aren't.

for the AWM2 and FM-X engines yes ;) btw the new Montage M can do much more than previous model ;)

If you play the same patch, it *should* sound exactly the same, otherwise you couldn't upgrade without changing how your music sounds. Just buy a MODX if all you care about is getting those same sounds. It's when you consider the new poly AT patches, new piano samples, improved UI, improved controls, improved keybed, etc. that the new Montage M is shining. I mean Yamaha *should* sell a more updated version in 2023 that addresses the weaknesses of the prior one.

​​@@ZeroGYeah! that's exactly the same comments that people are having about Genos vs Genos 2, I know Yamaha had 6 years to further develop the Genos lineup but it was already an outstanding instrument, those minor upgrades are not supposed to encourage everyone to throw their OG Genos to the bin and buy a new one, but rather give a better polished welcome to those who didn't own one to begin with. As an owner of a PSR-S970 I really see the appeal in upgrading to a Genos 2.

If only they could have put the AT in the 6 and 7

M6 sounds bigger / has more bass.

This is just a comparison for other Montage User or if you want one of the two. I’ve owned old montage for 7 yrs and now I only own the new M (I’ve sold the other one)

Nope.. read video description please

Did you read the video description?😉

I find the opposite. Comparing older personal recordings with my Montage OG and the M. The M is naturally more punchy and clear. I do prefer the build quality on the OG.

You'd get that impression from this demo. It isn't the case however. You can still run 20 year old software on your Windows computer, and it won't take advantage of the new features. The sounds in this demo didn't use sounds that made use of the new features as the Montage M is backwards compatible, but a pointless demo.

@classicarcadeamusementpark4242 more demos with new M sounds will be soon online, this is not the purpose of this demo, but a comparison between existing sounds available for old montage and how they sounds into the new M. btw if you think you can do a better demo, record it!! :) I'll surely will watch that demo! Do you have already bought your Montage M for a comparison?

@@DKS-SYNTH-LAB As said, the title is misleading. Change that, and the video is fine. I plan on going with the Montage M VST and using my regular MODX. The VST will provide the upgrades, and extra user memory to check out more sound collections and than I can more carefully select which ones to take up my 1 gig of MODX user memory.