YAMAHA MT09 2021 - "LIF CONTROL" - TESTED!

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TankslapMoto

TankslapMoto

2 жыл бұрын

Testing out Yamaha's "LIF Control" system which is essentially wheelie control. Whilst I don't personally use the system, this test demonstrates that it is actually a really good system and that it is also rather sophisticated when compared to other "wheelie control" systems available today. Unlike some crude systems found on other motorcycles, power is not cut, but rather it is metered to maintain control and forward momentum.
The system uses the inertial measurement unit (IMU) to detect the angle of attack of the motorcycle (i.e. a wheelie) and the rate of climb of the front wheel, it then introduces intervention (closing the throttle butterflys, retarding ignition timing) to control the rate at which the front wheel climbs, and also the maximum allowable angle of attack. Note the system will not allow the bike to reach "balance point", nor will the system permit "clutch up" wheelies. The intervention is adjustable through levels 1-3 and OFF (our favorite). Level 1 representing the least amount of intervention in the ON setting.
The intervention also appears to be mapped for each gear, introducing more intervention (lower angle of attack, slower rate of climb) as speeds rise (probably for safety reasons).
it would be interesting to compare 0-60 & 0-100 times with the system on and off... Maybe a future video.

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@cvynt9756
@cvynt9756 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are a pleasure to watch. Nice editing, crisp quality and ofcourse my dream bike which I have on order! Can't wait
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers for the words of encouragement👍. Enjoy your new bike when it arrives, you will love it!
@MikeS82082
@MikeS82082 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’ve read a lot saying it just slows the rate that it lifts. To me that meant I could still loop it. I appreciate your research ;)
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 2 жыл бұрын
Nice little section of test road;) With lift control in #1 I find it allows a decent wheelie angle and can quick shift into 2nd and starts to bring it down a little then by the time I quickshift into 3rd it is bringing back down to the pavement. The '21 MT09SP is a very fun and engaging bike....like a 2-wheel Porsche GT3 that you can wheelie! Keep up the great MT09SP content!
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
The lift control really is a good system, it is refreshing to see a system that doesn't cut power abruptly. I have been enjoying the content on your channel 👍MX is my first love.
@mxengineer1
@mxengineer1 2 жыл бұрын
@@tankslapmoto9999 I am a moto guy at heart....one of the reasons I like the MT09SP so much....feels kind of like a fast dirt bike!😁
@tg8150
@tg8150 Жыл бұрын
You guys realize the SP and the non SP are the same bike, right? Just a different shock in the rear and coating on the forks. Cruise control is just a gimmick.
@Jtwizzle
@Jtwizzle Жыл бұрын
@@tg8150 The forks on the SP have high/low compression damping and DLC(diamond like coating, slides easier or something.. which is apparently $500 on its own). The rear ohlins shock is $1100-ish on its own. Just the suspension differences alone are close to the cost differential between the two models. Cruise control is just a bonus that cant really be added later if one did decide they wanted it. Not a gimmick for everyone.
@JoaoSilva-gs5jb
@JoaoSilva-gs5jb 10 ай бұрын
@@Jtwizzle @tg8150 the seat is also different, and the paint scheme is unique to the SP, it's based on the R1Ms paint scheme, black levers and handlebar too, and the brake fluid reservoirs are tinted, and their expensive AF.
@astrostrotch
@astrostrotch 2 жыл бұрын
This is so useful to know for someone like me who likes a bit of fun off crests etc, but sadly past clutching up 4th gear mingers🤣. Really appreciate your content on the MT-09 SP!
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to help and thanks for the support. P.S. this bike loves a crest (even in fifth)👍
@ezradijk
@ezradijk 2 жыл бұрын
Great review. The MT 09 will always be a great bike. Possibly my next choice.
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
They have genuinely moved it on leaps and bounds with this latest iteration, definitely worth a test ride👍
@Misfit_FATDUCKY
@Misfit_FATDUCKY 2 жыл бұрын
looks awesome with the windscreen
@SyazwanRahizad
@SyazwanRahizad 2 жыл бұрын
Thats really cool dudeee!!
@steviewass1900
@steviewass1900 Жыл бұрын
I have 2016 r1m and trying to wheelie on setting 1 only lifts a tiny bit and sounds like fuel starve ....you did it and sounds spot on
@aressimbamt0959
@aressimbamt0959 Жыл бұрын
i m very pleased with mt09.. it was ugly to me at begining but know o love it
@ihabdia6486
@ihabdia6486 28 күн бұрын
I drive in TCS mode 1 and drive mode 1 on the most aggressive settings and for the life of me I can’t get the bike up from power wheelies. Any advice? I don’t want to practice clutch ups until I’m comfortable controlling the bike from a power wheelie
@RRRRefuelRideRace
@RRRRefuelRideRace 8 ай бұрын
Very nicely shown. Got my like.
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 8 ай бұрын
Cheers 🍻
@RRRRefuelRideRace
@RRRRefuelRideRace 8 ай бұрын
@@tankslapmoto9999 Got my like. Drop by when you have time. You may find it interesting.
@thezebiano
@thezebiano 11 ай бұрын
Was that a power wheelie at 2:00 in second gear? Damn, my bike is capable of things I'm not even aware of. I've been riding it with lift control at max for almost a year now, and I'm yet to discover new things about it. Dope.
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 10 ай бұрын
Yeah the MT09 was ridiculous for lofting the front wheel, even 3rd gear power wheelies were fairly easy
@jairoglyphx4003
@jairoglyphx4003 2 жыл бұрын
Question bro, how do you like that OEM windscreen ? Do you feel you like to deflects some wind off of your chest and /or face? Maybe when tucking down? I ordered mine but was thinking of the Puig screen because it’s higher, still looks nice, and seems like it will definitely deflect.
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, I like the way the OEM windscreen looks but it is probably not the most functional option. It does deflect some wind from the chest area and a bit from the head but the trade off for me (at 6'2") is a bit of wind buffeting/noise caused by the screen, it disappears if i tuck down.
@jairoglyphx4003
@jairoglyphx4003 2 жыл бұрын
@@tankslapmoto9999 thanks for the response. Should work a bit better for me then since I’m 5’6”. And I do prefer that looks 🔥
@love4boost
@love4boost 2 жыл бұрын
So it does limit the lift. That’s nice to know. I’ve been leaning forward and rolling in to prevent it from looping because it comes up so easily I thought it would just keep going until I’m on my ass. It was smooth the first time it happened on my way home after purchasing the bike and ever since I’ve been playing it safe thinking I got lucky. It does it great when I unintentionally do it then a big womp womp when I purposely try lol.
@2jzRedLine
@2jzRedLine 2 жыл бұрын
Mines failed 2 times! Got lucky not to crash. Always pay attention
@love4boost
@love4boost 2 жыл бұрын
@@2jzRedLine oh. Good to know. Now I’m curious if that happened the other day with mine. I’m not a wheelie person but I’ve never had the wheel come up that high before. I thought it was going loop
@2jzRedLine
@2jzRedLine 2 жыл бұрын
@@love4boost idk if mine did that due to pilot error, wrong combo of setting , or IMU failure. All I know is that I kill the throttle the last second possible. Twice.
@Norepinefrain
@Norepinefrain 2 жыл бұрын
@@2jzRedLine Is yours a newer model?
@2jzRedLine
@2jzRedLine 2 жыл бұрын
@@Norepinefrain yup it is mate
@bosk1n
@bosk1n Жыл бұрын
NB! You can still flip it with lft control on if you do a clutch wheelie. I did wheelie on second on my MT09SP a few days ago, and I think I did almost 12 o'clock wheelie, it was scary. No foot on the brake, as I expect lft control to always limit me on 45 degrees.
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 Жыл бұрын
Makes sense, I'd imagine that a big old clutch up would spook the electronics. If you are at the point of doing clutch ups definitely better with the LIF turned off, you would only need a very delicate dab of the clutch, even in 3rd and 4th gear👍
@bosk1n
@bosk1n Жыл бұрын
Hm. Third as much as I've tried - never have enough power for a wheelie. Maybe I am too heavy. Hoping the upgrade of the exhaust + ECU flash will do the trick though. Turning LIF off - yeah probably will turn it off somewhere mid this season. Still have to practice a bit :)
@j444ke
@j444ke 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome again 👍
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers 👍
@samuelmathews6120
@samuelmathews6120 2 жыл бұрын
“Let’s wack it on.” So when he wants to turn it off, would he say, “now let’s wack it off,”?
@stockstunna
@stockstunna 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thinking about getting an MT09. Do you feel the bike needs a steering damper installed because of potential steering wobble?
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers👍I don't believe that it needs a steering damper in my opinion. I know that some people suggest that it does, but it never gets out of hand in my experience. You have so much leverage with the wide bars and the upright riding position that it is very easy to manage. Also the wobble is usually caused by hard acceleration, where the front wheel is skipping the tarmac with the bars at a slight angle (rather than anything inherently wrong with the bike, like chassis flex or flex in the forks etc).
@stockstunna
@stockstunna 2 жыл бұрын
@@tankslapmoto9999 appreciate the reply, makes a lot of sense. Thanks once again, keep up the great content 😃
@-FlyingDutchman-
@-FlyingDutchman- Жыл бұрын
@@stockstunna i did get a hyperpro suspension and that fixed the wobble for me :P
@TerrorBunney
@TerrorBunney 2 жыл бұрын
does traction control intervene with wheelies at all? or just when the rear starts slipping in corners and on wet surfaces and stuff.
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
No intervention with TC in level 1 on this particular bike, unless you get wheel spin whilst doing a wheelie (not ideal). Other, more basic, TC systems on different bikes can intervene though, they simply detect a difference in wheel speed between the front and rear wheel and perceive this to be wheel spin (rather than a wheelie) and cut power.
@boywonderrr71
@boywonderrr71 2 жыл бұрын
@@tankslapmoto9999 Your information has helped me with my decision to get the MT09sp. I not a noob to fast riding but noob to wheelies. So this is the PERFECT bike for me. Fast, RELIABLE, great seating position and a hooner.
@DITH85
@DITH85 9 күн бұрын
Huh. I haven't actually tried the LIF control on my '23 yet. I just turned it off. I wasn't aware it wouldn't allow clutch ups though. That's interesting
@RevolverMaxx
@RevolverMaxx 2 жыл бұрын
Would you please try this video exactly as you did with LIF on 1 and shift to second? Will it stay up??
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, yes, you can easily shift to second with wheel up in LIF mode 1.
@BoostedOne1320
@BoostedOne1320 2 жыл бұрын
So for clutch wheelies LIF needs to be off? What about TCS? Does TCS interfere with either power or clutch ups like on some other models?
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
If you want to clutch it up to balance point Lif would need to be off. The angle of attack is limited with it on, so effectively there'd be no point clutching it up. TC doesn't intervene for wheelies on this bike, not in level 1 at least👍
@dano7480
@dano7480 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question..would it come up higher if you wasn't backing off throttle? I see your wrist backing off then giving it more as it was coming down. Maybe it's my view but looks like you're kinda on and off throttle to me. Not all that much but just wondering cause mine feels like it still climbing even quick shifting into second gear. Does it matter about the TCS mode you're using? I ride normally with everything on one. Thanks for any advice or info on what you were doing with your wrist. Could be the way I'm watching it so just wondering. 👍
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
To be honest I can't really remember, I probably backed off slightly out of instinct. Although I do distinctly recall winding the throttle on mid wheelie to discover that the angle of attack would not increase all the way to the limiter. Without doubt if you tried this with "Lif Off" the bike would have continued to rise and loop out. It's my belief that the bike uses the IMU to limit the angle of attack, I can't imagine that they would release a bike that can be looped out with Lif control activated. I think TCS mode would only have an impact if it detected slip (I ride TCS mode 1 also). Cheers👍
@dano7480
@dano7480 Жыл бұрын
Welp after 5 months of replying to this post I'm here to tell you that I might need to take it back to dealership cause something isn't correct with settings cause mine this bike will (everytime) loop on level 1. We set everything manually and everything was on settings 1 and the bike just kept getting higher and higher. I thought I was chicken shit but had a pro rider said same thing as your telling me. So now I'm replacing tons of parts but the main thing he's ok. My bike has a recall on ECU but wasn't sure if that has something to do with it acting like it does. I'm going to contact Yamaha.
@dalecolegrove6652
@dalecolegrove6652 Жыл бұрын
@@dano7480 Are you saying you actually looped yours?
@dano7480
@dano7480 Жыл бұрын
​@Dale Colegrove welp after a year later I can honestly say that it will loop. Maybe the computer didn't change anything between practices or I have to shut it off and back on to reset the modes. Do not just try to launch the bike like your at a dragstrip cause you will be buying lots of part if you make it! We put a strap to lower fork extension and still did that. Not happy with the wheelie control. But like I said it could be just my bike cause everyone else I watch goes right down to the road no problems.
@paulhope3401
@paulhope3401 3 ай бұрын
​@@dano7480 LIF can't stop it looping, it can only control the speed at which the front comes up. It would need to be able to pulse the rear brake to be able to stop it completely.
@MyRandomLife247
@MyRandomLife247 2 жыл бұрын
What D-Mode are you in? I'm in no.3 coz I find it the smoothest but when I am in 2nd and I click into third for a wheelie it comes straight down.
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
I run D-Mode 2, I find that it gives the most natural feel. D-Mode 1 is a little snatchy for me, and D-Mode 3 feels a little flat (not responsive enough).
@rattla38
@rattla38 Жыл бұрын
What exhaust are you running 🙄 sounds nice. I am waiting on my Mivv GP pro 😎
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 Жыл бұрын
This was just the stock exhaust in this video, I had a Dominator Hp4 which sounded great and is featured in some of my other MT09 videos👍
@rattla38
@rattla38 Жыл бұрын
@@tankslapmoto9999 aaaa Well it didn’t sound bad at all, sound better irl with stock and aftermarket
@Ride75
@Ride75 2 жыл бұрын
Now do a video with clutching it up in lif control Instead of a power wheelie.
@aleks_the_Great13
@aleks_the_Great13 2 жыл бұрын
Does this mean with traction control on 1 and lift on 1 it will still wheelie?!... I can't remember my setting..need to check . aleks
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed 😁
@chefriz5486
@chefriz5486 2 жыл бұрын
I ride a 2021 mt-10 but i really want to add a 09 in my arsenal--- i think the mt09 sounds so amazing
@omgwtflmaololrotfl2368
@omgwtflmaololrotfl2368 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh you have the best MT there is. And I ride a 09
@ibdietv7738
@ibdietv7738 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. So if I understand correctly you can go full throttle without the bike kicking back?
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed, the bike will not loop out👍
@abdnsuperslater0015
@abdnsuperslater0015 2 жыл бұрын
On what settings
@cemalsp
@cemalsp Жыл бұрын
@@abdnsuperslater0015 Hi, did you find the settings?
@jonasbagdonas9858
@jonasbagdonas9858 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏🤟
@xbassxbassow4881
@xbassxbassow4881 Жыл бұрын
Soo it can be uset on power wheallie on 1st gear only? i don't know why but i have fear of turns :( like i fear to my tires start slide .. any advice? (my bike is the same SP 2021)
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 Жыл бұрын
It will still power wheelie in 2nd with LIF on, just barely in my experience. It should be solid in the corners, maybe check the tire pressures
@BoostedOne1320
@BoostedOne1320 2 жыл бұрын
What mode were you running here? Hard to see on the video, seems like 2?
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
I run drive mode/throttle map 2, smoother in my experience
@mtmoto4522
@mtmoto4522 Жыл бұрын
Can you do clutch up with it on or does it have to be off and what tcs needs to be turned off
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 Жыл бұрын
It doesn't like clutch ups with Lif control on from memory, I suppose the whole point of a clutch up is to quickly bring the front wheel up to balance point low in the rpms whereas the Lif control is trying to stop/slow the rate of wheel lift. Maybe if you hit the rev limiter and dump the clutch it would come up but you'd certainly notice the system working against you. With Lif control off, you can still run TCS in 1 or 2 and wheelie as normal, clutch ups etc.
@voyteq1
@voyteq1 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there I have a question. Is the LIF realy works as you said? Cannot flip it over once LIF is on set 1?
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
👍Confirm no flipage with LIF on.
@voyteq1
@voyteq1 2 жыл бұрын
@@tankslapmoto9999 sweet bro! Thanks
@alanyesilipek7959
@alanyesilipek7959 Жыл бұрын
the second grear wheelie a clutch up or off the trottle power up ?
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 Жыл бұрын
Off the throttle, 3rd gear off the throttle as well is very easy👍
@user-fe5bi7ul4t
@user-fe5bi7ul4t 2 жыл бұрын
was TCS on I heard it may affect weheelies.
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, yes TCS was on. I discuss this issue more at 17mins or so in our review video - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a8d_mtGrnN26o5s.html
@Steve-motorcycles
@Steve-motorcycles 2 жыл бұрын
I guess it’s a safe way to learn how to do wheelies
@Charlie-lz2uz
@Charlie-lz2uz 2 жыл бұрын
Lulls you into a false sense of security if you ever intend on turning it off though! I nearly looped mine when I first turned it off, hadn't quite comprehended how much the lift control was slowing down the rate of climb. 😆
@Shortley
@Shortley 2 жыл бұрын
Does that little windscreen do anything? Lol I thought about getting it but I wasn't so sure
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
It's more for aesthetics really, takes a little bit of wind pressure off of the chest but that's about it
@bulletto46
@bulletto46 3 ай бұрын
Somebody know what tyre pressure is preferable for wheelie on MT09 (S22 battlax)?
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 3 ай бұрын
30psi plus you be good 👍
@No_Remorse416
@No_Remorse416 Жыл бұрын
On mine to lift in mode 1 and tcs 1 in second gear, I have to pull the handlebars a little, normal ?
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 Жыл бұрын
Mine would lift with no effort on the handlebars in 2nd gear and even 3rd gear, although sometimes it might take a little encouragement in 3rd depending on the road. I think mine made really good power, although it might just be a case of what rpm you roll into it, I seem to recall 6/7k being the sweet spot for power wheelies on the mt09.
@No_Remorse416
@No_Remorse416 Жыл бұрын
With tcs 1 and lif 1 ? at 1:14, she barely lifts in second gear
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 Жыл бұрын
Sorry I misunderstood your message, wif "Lif" on level 1 it barely wheelies in 2nd gear in my experience, I'd just turn it off altogether personally, you can easily modulate it yourself with the throttle and it's much more fun! 😉
@jasonmilligan9782
@jasonmilligan9782 2 жыл бұрын
I have the 2017 model,does anyone know how that works 🤷‍♀️
@OrangeGenerator
@OrangeGenerator 2 жыл бұрын
2017 doesnt have the IMU and LIF control. It has more rudimentary traction control which to my research should still help with controlling wheelies when in the higher setting but not in setting 1.
@bulletto46
@bulletto46 3 ай бұрын
Which LIFT MODE are you using in the video? Thx!
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 3 ай бұрын
1 and then off
@dexterdean
@dexterdean Жыл бұрын
So in other words it even makes riders who can't wheelie look like wheelie kings
@mikehoskin1674
@mikehoskin1674 Жыл бұрын
Not really because you're chasing out wheelies until you hit the rev limiter where as with clutch ups you can control the speed you're going and maintain it
@bagofnails1322
@bagofnails1322 Жыл бұрын
It limits speed of lift so it won't spit out on you it's great for confidence. It will flip but gives you time to think so u can prevent it. I can ride my mto9 like a unicycle so it builds confidence safely.
@mikehoskin1674
@mikehoskin1674 Жыл бұрын
@@redactedrider7606 yeah I know you can shift mid wheelie
@R.e.s.p.e.K
@R.e.s.p.e.K Жыл бұрын
@@redactedrider7606 exactly correct
@R.e.s.p.e.K
@R.e.s.p.e.K Жыл бұрын
It gives you protection against looping.....the bike makes you look like a lot better rider than what you are.....ask me how I know.
@Fee.1
@Fee.1 2 жыл бұрын
Are there different levels you can set for how much lift it allows?
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, yes, there's three different levels and OFF. Level 1 being the least intrusive as demonstrated in the video.
@Fee.1
@Fee.1 2 жыл бұрын
@@tankslapmoto9999 oh I somehow thought that was traction control my bad
@rattla38
@rattla38 Жыл бұрын
How tall are the wheelies on the different stages/levels?
@paulhope3401
@paulhope3401 3 ай бұрын
It doesn't work that way... it controls the speed at which it comes up rather than the angle.
@kostasrestas
@kostasrestas 3 ай бұрын
this 1 mod ,not lift, have an impact at your driving ? you know , 1 mod keep you on kind of train rails ?? ! Cause averybody said how playful is the Tracer 900 and Mt09 ,but when i ride it , i didnt find it playful at all . Now... this conclusion is falty cause the bike was set at mod 1 when i ride it ??????
@antoniomarotobayona1852
@antoniomarotobayona1852 2 жыл бұрын
Vidieo sustitulafo en español??
@abdnsuperslater0015
@abdnsuperslater0015 2 жыл бұрын
Hi awesome vid can you tell me what settings your on ? Modes etc as I have the 2022 mt10sp and worried about flipping it
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Hi sure, they were LIF 1, SCS 1, TCS1, and D mode 2 (for smoother throttle response)👍
@abdnsuperslater0015
@abdnsuperslater0015 2 жыл бұрын
@@tankslapmoto9999 thanks bud
@nicholascoulman9233
@nicholascoulman9233 7 ай бұрын
Are you full throttle and the bike just stops it from going any further ?
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 3 ай бұрын
Pretty much
@stevejohnson7865
@stevejohnson7865 2 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know if the 2022 MT09 have a quick shifter and wheelie control? I know the SP does just didn't know what all was different from the two? Looking to purchase one and was unsure which one to buy. Thanks for any help.
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, yes all Mt09 models have bi directional quick shifter and wheelie control. The difference is mainly aesthetics (paint scheme, brushed alloy swingarm) plus the SP gets cruise control.
@joet7360
@joet7360 2 жыл бұрын
@@tankslapmoto9999 don't forget about he kyb and ohlins
@cemalsp
@cemalsp Жыл бұрын
@@joet7360 :D
@cemalsp
@cemalsp Жыл бұрын
@@tankslapmoto9999 As far as I know, the motorcycle stays on the synth until 4th gear, but after 4th it can throw it back. And lift control is disabled after 30-40 seconds, if you slap the clutch the lift control will keep holding your bike, some of them don't, it's not a good idea to slap the clutch if you don't know how to make a wheel, and always keep your foot on the rear brake
@stevejohnson7865
@stevejohnson7865 Жыл бұрын
@@cemalsp I did purchase a 2021 MT09 and not sure about the lift control cause even on lift 2 seems like it is going to loop and I actually have to control it with rear brake. Thought I read that it's not supposed to let the bike go past 45 degree angle?
@notnow2062
@notnow2062 2 жыл бұрын
Would have been nice to have seen the difference in the lift control settings when attempting to wheelie. Good vid though.
@hendrxx_
@hendrxx_ 2 жыл бұрын
Setting 2 in first gear lets you get the wheel like 10 inches off the ground and sets it back down after a short period. Setting 3 it’s pretty impossible to get any lift without clutching up. I’m no wheelie expert but these are the results I’ve gotten on mine, someone could say different.
@povilaslondon
@povilaslondon 2 жыл бұрын
@@hendrxx_ mine doesn't lift at all on any settings, only way is to clutch up. I don't understand why its like this on mine...?
@hendrxx_
@hendrxx_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@povilaslondon not sure, maybe ur not yanking the throttle enough
@2jzRedLine
@2jzRedLine 2 жыл бұрын
@@povilaslondon wich mode are you running?
@povilaslondon
@povilaslondon 2 жыл бұрын
@@2jzRedLine all set to off or lowest, the only way for it to lift the wheel is 1st gear and I need to be very harsh with the throttle. Second gear I can only dream about it. That's why I'm a bit disappointed as I was expecting that insane wheelie machine as everyone is talking about.
@robertcarter5253
@robertcarter5253 Жыл бұрын
I'm ordering a mt09 this coming year. I'll run it on but I'll still roll into the throttle and stay tucked to play safe. Would hate to loop and get hurt. Mentally would be concerned of the LIF system failing to read and if I pin the throttle unexpectedly coming up faster than expected
@zgjfinance2796
@zgjfinance2796 Жыл бұрын
You’ll learn throttle control quuuckly on the mt09
@robertcarter5253
@robertcarter5253 Жыл бұрын
@@zgjfinance2796 I sure did 😏
@zgjfinance2796
@zgjfinance2796 Жыл бұрын
@@robertcarter5253 yessir I have mt09 sp and the first month was really tepid on the throttle 😂; still haven’t taken lift control or tcs off yet
@zgjfinance2796
@zgjfinance2796 Жыл бұрын
I have exact same bike; I ride tcs 2 mode 2 lid 2 and for me it’s insane still. I’m afraid to turn off the lift control 😬
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 Жыл бұрын
But it will be fun....😀 the throttle connection is really good on the mt09 so im sure you will find it easy to modulate, you can always drag a bit of rear brake as well to tame it down.
@assassinofoz
@assassinofoz 2 жыл бұрын
Jealous of the windshield, Aussie Yamaha shop still says out of stock.
@americadanyus
@americadanyus 2 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for mine in France, waiting since May 😭
@hendrxx_
@hendrxx_ 2 жыл бұрын
Wait for the Puig ones! I think they look really good. The short one just released on revzilla but it was oos instantly. I'm going for the tourer one that I preordered from a dealer.
@americadanyus
@americadanyus 2 жыл бұрын
@@hendrxx_ saw them, don't like it, in my opinion, at the moment, only the Yam looks good 🤷‍♂️
@hendrxx_
@hendrxx_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@americadanyus ah shame I really enjoy the mantis look. I know it’s not for everyone but their wind protection is proven especially at my height
@exothermal.sprocket
@exothermal.sprocket 9 ай бұрын
With modern throttle-by-wire, there's no real need for ignition interrupt or other engine control methods anymore. The ECU runs the throttle by servo, all the time, no matter what. What you do with your wrist is not always what the ECU does with the actual throttle blades.
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 9 ай бұрын
Sounds very plausible for the wheelie control, I'm sure that the ecu, in conjunction with the IMU, could simply close the electronic butterfly's as you say. The traction control feels like it still uses ignition timing in conjunction with closing the throttle. I can't really feel a hard cut these days, but it definitely feels like there's something going on ignition wise.👍
@exothermal.sprocket
@exothermal.sprocket 9 ай бұрын
@@tankslapmoto9999 The most instant way to stop engine torque is to stop combustion, for sure. That's usually ignition (various methods that is implemented). Closing primary throttle blades would still take a bit of time to produce reduced torque through the whole system. But as a rule, TBW controls are 100% by servo, and input from all the other sensors factors into computer throttle mapping. It's sort of been a doubled edge sword since TBW became a thing. On one hand you can map power modes, implement cruise control, operate a type of traction control. On the other hand, manufacturers are using TBW for emissions and noise regs, speed caps, per-gear emissions/power limits, and as a secondary issue (due to fuel-cut regulations) the on/off throttle feel is often choppy and puts shock through the drivetrain. Manufacturers are getting better at all the calibrations but you still cannot get around mandatory emissions and noise regs. That's where aftermarket comes in.
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 9 ай бұрын
It is all very interesting. People say oh they'd be unrideable with a 1:1 throttle map, but I am not so sure. I suppose it allows the manufacturers to implement their modes and sell a bike that appeals to a broader audience, new riders and experienced alike (plus, as you say, they can throttle map for each gear to appease noise and emissions regs). I have a Tenere 700 with a good old-fashioned cable throttle, it definitely feels more natural to me.
@exothermal.sprocket
@exothermal.sprocket 9 ай бұрын
@@tankslapmoto9999 Well for one thing, it was less costly to manufacturer, that'd for doggone sure. _With the APSG, the degree of throttle opening is detected by a sensor and magnet and reflected with signals to the throttle valve motor. For good operational feel, the APSG is comprised of a spring, slider and gear and produces varying degrees of friction (resistance) to recreate a natural throttle feel during use._ All of that had to be R&D, part-sourced, prototyped, tested, calibrated, re-tested, a heap of new part numbers created, and finally absorbed at corporate Yamaha's factory as increased overhead expenses trickling down through everything they ultimately sell. Or we could just pop a cable on a pulley, turn a screw, and send it out the door. The level of technocratic bureaucracy that is being layered and layered and layered on motorcycles these days is ridiculous, promising a better experience and keeping everyone safe from the dangerous motorcycle engine. The earth is safer from the motorcycle engine. The rider is safer from the motorcycle engine. The neighbors next door are safer from the motorcycle engine. My goodness, without this powerhouse top tier heavy duty computer controlling this motorcycle engine, you'd be sure to die every single time you went for a ride.
@kicksmoto2088
@kicksmoto2088 2 жыл бұрын
bro can i use the lift 1 for clutch up wheelie?
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Not in my experience, need Lif off for clutch ups. Maybe if you were super aggressive it would come up but it would be a little hard on the clutch, plus I don't think you'd get it up anywhere near the balance point with Lif on👍
@kicksmoto2088
@kicksmoto2088 2 жыл бұрын
@@tankslapmoto9999 thank you bro , i am newbie for wheelie.. as of now i am using lift 1 for power wheelie, maybe i will practice soon for clutch up.
@markwalker6692
@markwalker6692 2 жыл бұрын
What windscreen is that?
@RevolverMaxx
@RevolverMaxx 2 жыл бұрын
Factory accessory Yamaha meter cover.
@markwalker6692
@markwalker6692 2 жыл бұрын
@@RevolverMaxx thanks been trying to buy it but can't find it anywhere
@MrSv90
@MrSv90 2 жыл бұрын
I do 2nd gear clutch ups on mine with lif and tsc in lvl 1, the bike comes up high but have not tested if she will flipp 😅 sure feels like it will 😅
@TommyTheMuhFuckinChooChooTrain
@TommyTheMuhFuckinChooChooTrain 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t test it, it will lol
@MrSv90
@MrSv90 2 жыл бұрын
@@TommyTheMuhFuckinChooChooTrain i figured it will 😅 keep the foot on that rear brake 😅😅
@BoostedOne1320
@BoostedOne1320 2 жыл бұрын
Have you experimented with clutching on any other settings? Does TC settings seem to hinder clutching?
@ADDONRACER
@ADDONRACER 2 жыл бұрын
Guess not if you keep your weight on front of the bike like leaning forward..?
@Glenburrows
@Glenburrows 2 жыл бұрын
Is that reading mph or km?
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Mph
@Glenburrows
@Glenburrows 2 жыл бұрын
@@tankslapmoto9999 redline in 1st is over 60!? I’m trading my bike in for an 09!
@MrNichols23
@MrNichols23 Жыл бұрын
Ive had a gen 1 2014 since new.. has no abs no traction control.. and is tuned to 140hp.. full power on tap. Allows u to ride the bike a learn it properly how to use power.. not ride around thinking ur fast with all those electronic assists to help these new riders..
@giorgosvantarakis5820
@giorgosvantarakis5820 2 жыл бұрын
does the lift control apply on clutch up wheelies?
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, much better to turn it off for clutch ups👍
@zrxcatfourstroke7923
@zrxcatfourstroke7923 2 жыл бұрын
My bike has 1900 miles on and will not wheelie at all unless you slip the clutch Also it accelerates kinda sluggess out of the hole until you get moving a bit ?
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Something doesn't sound right there, mine would power wheelie in 3rd gear... assume you have turned the systems off (it feels like a different bike with Lif off and TCS off, or on 1). The only other thing might be if you have changed the exhaust, they can loose a lot of power if you don't have the right exhaust/enough back pressure... (stuby cans or no silencer type exhausts are a bit of a no no without a remap).
@Marcopulciano1544
@Marcopulciano1544 Жыл бұрын
with the traction control off, this lif doesnt works i think
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 Жыл бұрын
That is correct👍
@eddydruppel3943
@eddydruppel3943 10 ай бұрын
Its lifT controle
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 9 ай бұрын
It's lifT control 😉
@speedyboi4623
@speedyboi4623 Жыл бұрын
Love my mt09 and honestly kinda wish it didn’t have lift control. I’ve never wheelied before besides small power wheelies on a Honda rebel I had. With the lift control I quickly started doing crazy power wheelies and I’ve never had to use the rear brake. It’s fun and all but now my perception of how a wheelie should feel without lift control is bad. I tried a 2nd gear power wheelie without lift control on and the front tire came up so fast it scared the shit outa me. Now if I wanna learn wheelies I gotta relearn from scratch.
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 Жыл бұрын
Hey, interesting comment, the bikes definitely more fun with it all turned off, I have never really got used to riding with that stuff on but I can see how you'd have to recalibrate your throttle hand. I guess if Lif control allows Yamaha to safely sell the bike then I'm all for it, provided it can be turned off 😉 I kinda feel the same way about all these rider modes, I just pick one and stick with it.
@acoitheadventurer1001
@acoitheadventurer1001 2 жыл бұрын
Scary place for tests.. Yikes... 🤣
@bagofnails1322
@bagofnails1322 Жыл бұрын
Video is completely wrong. According to Yamaha it limits the lift speed. When I'm in ride mode 1 I can reach balance point quite quickly and yes u can go over. I've done maybe 500 wheelies on the mto9 and I can start in first and hit balance point by 70kmh shift to second get it back up shift to third hit around 170kmh and have to use brake to drop back down. Lift is in 1 traction is in 1.
@dalecolegrove6652
@dalecolegrove6652 Жыл бұрын
Are you saying that you have looped yours over?
@bosk1n
@bosk1n Жыл бұрын
It never comes nowhere near balance point with wheelie control on setting 1. Unless you consider that 45-50 angle as a balance point.
@hankfraser98
@hankfraser98 2 жыл бұрын
Bro you trying to blow that thing up! hitting the rev limiter 😩
@tankslapmoto9999
@tankslapmoto9999 2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes you just gotta Let 'er Rip!
@dannygernaat9961
@dannygernaat9961 2 жыл бұрын
The MT-09 can handle that perfectly. Seen so many bikes hitting that limiter without any problems after years
@Marco-cl9pb
@Marco-cl9pb 2 жыл бұрын
Lol dude what? It's japonese it can do that all day
@Dtp2296
@Dtp2296 2 жыл бұрын
The rev limiter is there to stop it blowing up, can hit it all day, not the best or fastest way to ride but won't damage anything
@Cuba636
@Cuba636 Жыл бұрын
This system is a trash.
@aressimbamt0959
@aressimbamt0959 4 ай бұрын
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