I just got a text from someone claiming to be you its a 866 number might that be legit

is this US only competition?

@@xb5883 you can see me? 😯

Can you compare a track day on the Graves race bike? $26,000@

For entry level and a modified race bike; which would be a better choice a Ninja 400 or an R3?

its a stock ninja 400, with its mods it still likely costs less or costs the same. point is it is a bad purchase and a bike with out a class because of the starting bike.

@s1ricecream Most of the mods that make it better (for the track) are not suitable for everyday road use (slicks, light bodykit with no light cluster, etc). It's an unfair comparison.

Elementar, dear Watson...

Slicks and brakes aren't going to make a huge difference, it's the suspension that matters.

@jordanm8915 not even going to bother trying to argue with that statement...

Just get a zx6r or r6 they sound better rev higher and more bike same price

@@user-hc5si5tw5p yeah, Zx6r is what I ride.

@@thevoiceofcakeno, you don’t.

@@saturninos5290 what do you mean by that?

@@user-hc5si5tw5p higher spare parts cost and insurance

Or the other way around when he says a ninja 400RR is slower then a regular ninja 400 ... is roasting the bike on another level

😂

Or a bike that costs half as much is better. Or just spend 500 more and get a 636.

@@yesihavebedbugs2786 636🥹. One of these days

@mrcla55yguy20 local dealership has the 4 and 636 on the floor. Non abs 636 admittedly. It is 9700 versus 10,200. No way I could ever see buying the 4 over the 6 to save 500 bucks. The ninja 400 at 5500 i could see if mo ey were the consideration. But at 11k+ 500 dollars will not be making any difference financially. For the trolls I know the 636 is 11,500 or 12k out the door. The 9700 is not out the door pricing either. It is 11k out the door. And no way is it worth that.

'we haven't touched this motor' 'we've got a flash on this thing' apples to onions comparison.

Yeah but even a minute's worth of research will tell anyone with half a brain that a ZX4R will beat a ninja 400.

​@@scottseedell238 Not necessarily true, 400' beat 600/Liter bikes why not the 4xrr? My 400 would smoke one any day. Plus the 4rr is already more upgraded.

@@MadStylee619 A ninja 400 is around 45bhp. A ZX4R is around 77bhp. It's not hard to work out that it's going to win on acceleration and top speed.

@@MadStylee619 What's this 400 you have that would smoke a ZX4R anyway?

90hp from 400cc is crazy! If they ever get that much power from it, it will be peaky as fark with no torque at all down low.

Exactly - track day gem

Love my new 24 4RR. After a full exhaust and flash tune, it's a completely different bike! 79hp 400 inline 4 with that badassed engine symphony.... yeah it's a win! Fwiw, I have a 23 N400 as well. Sure the 4RR isn't as fast as my 24 ZX6R but it's a very special bike in a class, basically by itself! Thanks Kawasaki!

But then it could equally be argued if you are not experienced and you're looking for something to learn on and hone your skills, a much cheaper and lighter Ninja 400 makes a lot more sense. But if you truly just want that i4 experience of revs and sound, yea I can see why one would pick the 4R instead.

@@Real_MisterSir i feel like i addressed this when i said "if you are buying a certain experience". but yes, if you DONT want that experience, go with the little ninja it rules. used it for my first 2 track days, learned a lot.

The certain experience desired being the i4 and revs without going to a 600, yes, I agree.

@@babyfknbluits waayyyyyy too big of a price diff for what is actually a pretty small difference in power/speed and so if you want the "experience" of an amazing sounding inline 4 just get a 600, theres hardly any price difference (and you can buy 2nd hand for less which isnt an option with the zx4rr due to it being so new) - that said its cool that its a 400 with an inline 4, but thats its only real selling point

@@Critikz thank u for repeating the obvious and giving me a headache. whyd you even type all that out just to walk it back at the end. yeah, it's a lot of money, with only one unique selling point. if you don't care abt that one selling point, it's too much money. if you do, it's good. we already know that. it won't be that expensive forever, and in my country you can get secondhand i4 400s for dirt cheap all day anyways. you can probably even import some of them for not that much to the US too, since they're getting to 25 years old now. it's just nice to have a new one. the unique experience being that you can thrash it on the street and hear a scream from the exhaust without going to jail. that's a good thing that a lot people will pay for, but it's okay if you won't.

You forget tyres.

yes it as has low end torque which all in with Ninja 400 at 8,500 rpm where ZX-4RR it is at 11,000 rpm and I agree with you

Exactly, peak power figures don't tell the whole story, that's why a 150hp turbo engine in a car feels so much more flexible and capable compared to a 150hp NA engine. Very different curves, even though the peak figure is the same.

@@mociczyczki WUT

So basically like a 600 vs a 1000 on a more technical track.

Well with that said, it's still half cheaper than the zx4rr

I’d imagine it would help with oversteer for sure. I dropped mine a couple mms and it tracks very nicely

You are correct but how much money now will be dumped into the zx4rr which is insane just to get it to beat a race preped 400.

True, but you're saving $6000 on the ninja 400, so plenty of money for upgrades, I think their point was you can go faster on the ninja 400 for less money.

Yep that's what I said, they tried saying "this bike is stock but also here's all the mods we put on it"

Tyres.

The motor is stock. It has suspension upgrades but to the extent the 4rr is still more then what they have in the 400

bone stock engine. It just has race plastics, direct line brakes, and tires. It's a very budget race build lol

@@yammienoob Hey Yam, have you seen anyone at track days or races running track-focused CF Motos (probably the 450)? I'm just curious if those have crept in as cheap track bikes anywhere yet given that they are so inexpensive and *somewhat* close to the Ninja 400! (and no, I haven't seen any at my track, but it's basically Yamaha-land).

What exhaust is on the 400?

@@yammienoobwhy not do a flash on the ninja 400?

Plus one on that! I’ve been waiting for that review for months!

Video going live on the 450ss next week!

@@yammienoob dreams really do come true!

😂

Got a full dedicated review going live next Friday! Don't miss it.

Look up motojitsus review and first ride

I ride an rc390 in the track but was abke to try a bonestock 450ss in the track..a bit heavy though

YES! Fianally a review for the 450ss! I love my bike.. so sweet. Waiting for my Akrapovic.

When you buy CFMoto you're buying what comes out of the box, that's it. When you buy a proper bike you get the support network as well.

I agree 100%. Great bike it’s just the price tag for what you get that I don’t agree with. I’m curious to see how it sells.

@@user-rw4oi1dd9c From what I could gather, it still seems to be selling quite well, despite its price, really they are competing with themselves, there's nothing alike in the market right now.

I don't want a zx6r. I dont need to be going that fast. Zx4r is comfortable, plus the small bore four is something from the 90s.

​@@genericjonathan4115 Go for it then, I would likely get it in favor of the zx6 too, still think is a little too expensive. Riding supersport 600s and 1000s on the street is just dumb in my opinion. BUT most importantly, have fun and stay safe.

​@@JoseLgamer05I rode an 08 zx6-r as a daily driver after I found the ninja 250 to be very lacking. As long as you're not stupid, doing stupid stuff like gixxer brah, you'll be fine. You'll be glad to have that extra power to pass and not constantly get passed yourself. Everybody hates on anything above a 500 to be a bad starter bike, it isn't, it's the rider and how they ride that determines that.

They should of made the quickshifter optional get rid of rider modes which is not even needed for this type of power LOL and just leave abs OR have none abs option to give an even cheaper option and potentially give us a lighter frame for the power.

Because its frame made of still unlike r6!

wild to see considering my 06 zx6r 636 is 362 lbs on the title after a slip on

@@genyazaqqq Yep, aluminum vs steel* frame, but the rear exhaust is very heavy on the ZX4RR, so getting a lighter exhaust will make it basically the same weight as the 600 supersports.

Only R6 that light is the track version, without lights, etc.

My 2021 MT-09 wieghs 417 stock, mine is closer to 400lbs now modded, so that's also my biggest complaint about the zx4rr 🤔

Do the extra mods make a noticeable difference? I have a 400 as well and I’ve been debating doing everything you’ve done. Probably not the full exhaust (already have a slip on), but I’ve been curious to talk to someone else and see if it’s worth it to do the flash, filter and stacks.

For the price between the R7 and the ZX-4RR. The R7 is the better bike.

You'll be looking for a faster better sounding bike in no time. It's why I swapped my 500 for a 750 after one month.

No bro the ninja 400 and the zx4rr has a very big diff the zx4rr is actully fatser bcse its a inline 4

@@deejaydibb3464 reread what i said bud lol, im a certified Kawasaki tech. we both said the same thing

Tyres and modified fork made the comparison invalid.

I'm a total noob, only been riding about 3 yrs and I've never ridden a sport bike, but I don't understand criticizing a more precise throttle. In general, u just have to adapt to a different bike. Just learn to get off the throttle completely instead of wishing for a limp throttle.

Still sounds better that an R7 and a ninja 400, I guess that appeals to some people.

This video has context from the previous vids They've proven before that on straights that the rr is faster but they wanted to try this bike on track because it's meant to be a more race focused bike

It's way too expensive. Put it towards an R1 haha. But the 4rr sounds bloody nice though. I'll give it that.

636 would be a better upgrade at the price point

Lmao this guy was made to ride lame twins

@@Ryan.Kooper and lame twins will humble you one day little bro

​@@Ryan.Koopersays the guy who doesn't even own a bike.