I have a head canon that my Sith Inquisitor corrupts them and takes them on as his acolytes to be used against Thanaton

I supposed it's see as a more merciful solution and light way than blowing them up?...

@@steelrexer1062 Why did you feel like sharing your fan fiction with us?

@@fiddlesticks7245 Why did you feel like asking? I do the things I do because I enjoy them, which is the reason why I assume you chose to question my reasons. Life is too boring on its own, so I try to make it more fun for myself whenever possible. Sharing something that makes me happy with other people who also enjoy that thing only makes me happier.

@@steelrexer1062 You seem like a really weird guy, awkward too. Just saying

The part where he casually brushed aside the fact that the Jedi tried to commit genocide and he basically said "Well, join the light and it isn't your problem"

I actually like that first part. It shows how thoroughly detached many Jedi are from reality. Blind focus on ideology, oversimplifying everything into black and white, and "the force is with us so we can do no wrong" even if that means a little genocide.

Well like they say 'Its the will of the Force' But like Kreia said... This is what is abhorrent about the Force.

The Jedi can have a little genocide… as a treat

@@spaceboomer564 The whole "the force is with us" excuse is BS anyways, because the Darkside is also part of the force. Yet the Jedi seem to constantly forget that.

More like "Show *him* what you know"

There is the one interaction where you're basically mocking two Jedi saying "I'm a better Jedi than you."

"Found a cool stone this morning, still riding that high. Stones are cool, aren't they?" "What the f**k?"

"I sense Anger, and Fear, and Hatred... It stems from you Sith." "I'm pretty sure you're overreacting. I was gypped for change at the cantina this morning so I'm a little miffed about that, My wife seemed less enthusiastic than me about what I had planned for Dinner tonight and I'm probably just over thinking it, and as for the Hatred I'm honestly just offended that you presume to know the details of my life. So Jedi, are you going to let me walk out of here with these Bantha Steaks or would you have me keep my wife waiting?"

@@KitKatHexe Wrath and Vette just wanna have a quiet night in, but these Jedi keep telling him he's evil.

[Use jedi gaslighting] "Nooo no no, I really sense much anger in you. Why are you like this?"

Hey that's probably one of the only time the jedi weren't being unreasonable

Jedi: ok you got a right to retaliation, but since it's a "sins of the father" situation I think I have a right of self defense? Light side sith: mmm... yeah, I think you do.

That is the most based Jedi Master in the Galaxy. He isn't even apologetic about it.

The Jedi and Sith do have their pro's and con's, cool abilities but tend to favor one extreme over the other.

No the jedi basically said that he doesn't use violence to convert others or kill in an offensive war. He is the kind that would fight in self defence and to defend others.

Just because they are dark side doesn't mean that they aren't your enemy. Now who is being short-sighted?

Jedi Crusades. Oh boy. The Force wills it.

Also Jedi: you Sith have committed thousands of terrible atrocities Sith: I’ve never committed any terrible atrocities! Jedi: … Sith: … Sith: Ok, well not *thousands* of atrocities… I’m still only an apprentice…

@@steelrexer1062 the jedi did the same shit as the sith, slaves? Check, kidnapping and killing people that disagree with them? Check

@@ReiChiquita567 no they didn’t

@@aidenknightofaskr3705 Genocide? Check. Just ask the Mandalorians, the Ubese, or the Sith themselves.

@@mlgsamantha5863 the mandalorians and sith deserve it and for ubese they start wanting to attack other star systems and republic stop them that wasn’t even jedi fault

Light side Sith is pragmatic and think of what's best for the Empire long term.

And I'm always gonna indulge my warriors insane bloodthirst, But i have another one using the assasin kit that i play more naturally

murder and mayhem awaits!

That’s the weird part about playing sith. Light side sith seems more sith than dark side. Dark side sith just seems like some edgelord with depression and daddy issues

@@19972zach I made a comment on a different vid pointing that LS Warrior is a cunning Mastermind in most instances.

@@embodying8moth82 yeah it’s weird that light side options for sith are just cunning options that if anything be neutral if no one is harmed

nice grunt pfp and name

Go back to Normandy... Grunt

Not really short sighted as much as “choose which one is more evil.” Some of them are weird like this one, but here you’re essentially choosing between genocide and letting them go. Obviously letting them go is seen as the “light” option. Remember, your character is 100% committed to the dark side of the force, he/she is just not always gonna do the worst possible thing.

@@HiveTyrant25 they could have just marked both ds choices

@@dark_lord_talion6487 then why even make choices at all?

@@HiveTyrant25 not this scenario i dont think but for example it affects companions attitude an affect on the story and not to mention they have done it before where two options are the same but usually they add a third that's still the opposite like two dark one light they also make certain options not even matter but those ones usually don't have a ls or ds attached

@@HiveTyrant25 I'll totally agree with you when you say some options are weird but I still gotta argue for the fact it's short sighted as it doesn't take the long term effects into account. Take the black talon for example. The light side choice is spare and arrest him while the dark side choice is kill him. If you choose the light side option he even says to you that's he's going to be tortured and executed, best case scenario he rots in a cell for the rest of his life. Now if there's one thing the imperials are good at its torture. Knowing that, I'd say killing him would be the light side choice and arresting him is the dark side choice, but no it's always "kill=dark, spare=light"

Well, "Pure Sith" these Days is anyone who still possesses red Skin and those Face....Tentacles. The more of them you have, the "purer" is your Blood.

not unless there is a world somewhere deep in the Unknown Regions that were formed from colonies of King Adas' most devout of followers seeking to destroy the Rakata and dismantle their Infinite Empire for trying to subjugate them. Those Sith weren't swayed by the teachings of the Dark Side of the Force like the Dark Jedi. The closest analogue to the Red Sith would have to be the Mag'har from Warcraft Lore. _"Lok'tar!"_

@@johannesseyfried7933 the name Pureblood is used just to distinguish those who are descended from the species and still possess visible sith traits yes but even those are hybdrids of sith and humans.

@@johannesseyfried7933 More tentacles, more pures... sounds Japanese...

It’s funny you think a tiny handful of people can eliminate the purebloods of an entire species.

No what are you talking about the Chancellor want sith dead because they attacked the republic and Jedi didn’t see the point in wiping them out see that they beaten

@@aidenknightofaskr3705 And yet, when we look back at history, the Jedi are the ones to force the Republic into wars against the Sith. The Jedi are not afraid of genocide, they definitely wanted to wipe out the Sith.

@@CyberController- no where does it state that the Jedi force the republic in these wars

@@aidenknightofaskr3705 Every time the Sith rebuild themselves, the Jedi swoop in, take control of the Republic military, and wipe out every Sith in the Galaxy. They launched an attack in Ziost without Republic approval, conducted a planet-wide purge of all Sith on Malachor 1, annexed multiple Republic systems to be their "Jedi Lordships" and broke the treaty of Coruscant more times than I can count. Don't believe the Jedi lies you find it books, the Republic were not the ones to who wanted the millennia-long religious and cultural purging of the Sith.

@@aidenknightofaskr3705 I'm trying to look into this to find which side is correct, and--, I'm finding more credence to Cyber's side. Jedi helped kick the Sith out of the Republic, we find in multiple points in SWTOR that the Republic violates the Coruscant Treaty, we see in multiple points in the movies where Jedi have employed violence beyond what's necessary and aligned with the Jedi Creed, etc. In all my years around Star Wars, it seems the Empire and the Sith may lie to even each other, but they admit that it's often necessary for the goals of the Empire or the individual. And we see with the Sith creed and Imperial Agent creed, you don't have to be honest. Yet with the Jedi and Republic priding themselves on being the most noble and upstanding people, they sure do a lot of things that go against their own creeds, promises, oaths, etc., and will lie, alter records, and kill to keep those blemishes a secret between those involved.

"If you take it from only one place, it become rigid and stale" -Uncle Iroh The Republic is usually good and the empire is bad, but doing away with narrow-mindedness makes them stronger

For republic both sides make it stronger because you either kill troublemakers or imprison them or forge alliance by diplomacy or force - you gain either way. Imperials usually fight among themselves so the dark side options usually just result in killing more imperials, losing resources etc. (Republic is corrupt and all but you dont have Supreme Chancellor trying to sacrifice Corruscant for power in a blood ritual or something like that.)

No, we see it but it's not about who's the good guy. It's about who's the hypocrite. People prefer the honest villain to the omnipotent moral busybody. Besides, that kind of 'hero' usually ends up more a villain then the open villain. "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."- C. S. Lewis

Fun fact; I actually researched the details on the aftermath of the Great Hyperspace War. What happened is severely overstated by the Empire. Direct quotes from Wookieepedia: "As the Republic began to rebuild and recover from the Sith occupation of its core worlds, Supreme Chancellor Pultimo authorized a joint Jedi-Republic counterinvasion of the Sith Worlds aimed at assuring the complete destruction of the Empire and any vestigial threat it posed to the safety of the Republic. The Chancellor and his political allies framed this invasion as a battle against the institutions of the Empire rather than a war for the extermination of its citizenry, stating that such actions were necessary to free the Sith species from the dark-sided corruption under which it had suffered for centuries. Across the Sith Worlds, battleships and bombers laid waste to Sith military complexes and centers of power while Republic strike teams on the ground captured Sith survivors and refugees en masse. Though some groups of Sith survivors continued to resist the Republic occupation militarily, the Jedi avoided killing captured or surrendered Sith outright-instead, adopting the practice implemented by Jedi Knight Odan-Urr, the Jedi chose to sever their respective connections to the Force." "Having achieved immortality and overseen the destruction of any remaining potential rivals in the Sith establishment, Vitiate departed his husk of a fiefdom with his loyal supporters in tow. He publicly attributed the destruction of Nathema to the Jedi, using its desolation as further proof of his claim that the Republic counterinvasion was aimed at the systematic extermination of the Sith people." The Republic's campaign was targeted at destroying Dark Side centres of power, and was more an occupation than a targeted campaign of genocide. The big incidents of mass death resulted from a mass ritual suicide campaign orchestrated by the Sith Lord Shar Dakhan, and the destruction of Nathema, which was blamed on the Jedi and Republic. So while it's 100% a cultural genocide, and an attempt to scrub the Sith Order (Different from the Sith species) from existence, full extermination was never actually the intent of this campaign. The people who believe it in-universe fell for a millennia long con by Vitiate.

@@abloodraven3856 And yet no Sith 'Purebloods' exist outside of the empire even though Sith traits are dominant. It was possible there traits melted away into the general population in preceding centuries but unlikely. People don't move around as much as most think and even when they migrate they tend to make ethnic conclaves. Former Empire planets should still have small Sith populations. And yet even their home planet is devoid of 'purebloods', the one place that should have the highest concentration of them. Also Revan was making a genocidal army targeting Sith genes and wasn't concerned at all about people in the republic. Your right that the biggest single genocide was not real, I remember that, but I also remember a slideshow narrated by Jedi historian that says they did do what the Sith said they did. It was on the Swtor site originally but I can't find it there now.

@A Blood Raven Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Sith Genocide can be seen in the Expanded Universe as it happens. Orbital bombardment and troops actively slaughtering indiscriminately was the norm. I think the Republic leader of the genocide was named Empress Teta, which her sector or whatever was later named after. Under her leadership the Republic killed the Sith, their non-Sith subjects, and their slaves. They also bombarded all of the Sith worlds to rubble though not an actual glassing. The only Sith who survived were the sorcerers of Tund and the minuscule handful that Vitiate took with him. Vitiate only consumed one world and his rival lords. The rest was entirely the Republic’s extermination campaign.

Excuse me, it’s called the *Sith Holocaust* and I think the Republic calls it that.

But muh faith in the "will" of microbes.

The midichlorians are the powerhouse of the force.

Problem with swtor is everything is marked as either a lightside or darkside choice even if its murder everyone in the room or turn 99% of the people in the room to the darkside and have them murder one person in the room

I guess because you don't commit genocide on a sapient species, versus killing just one Jedi?

Better then killing them no?

@@ReiChiquita567 Nope because you still let empire use rakghoul to help destroy Teris it still has evil intentions behind it. This is more like alternative dark side choice where you corrupt and make use of rakghouls over wiping them out. this is Pragmatic Villain choice.

I guess it‘s comparatively less evil than genociding them lol That‘s what you get, when you stick to a binary morality system.

I think both of those options should be dark side. Problem is SW would have so little light side choices, you would really struggle being light (as you should) BUT BW doesnt have the balls to actually do it.

@@Dark_Voice You are just being patriotic and helping out your country

well because your not really lightside most of your choices are pragmatic and merciful because the light side sith dosnt see the point why go on a temper tantrum killing people when you can just not and keep the useful people alive why murder random imperial soliders who are just following orders of their sith master as they should, will he still kill them yes but if given the choice he'd talk them down and move on.

@@CRMSN_RDR Yes, but pragamaticism is not the way of the dark side. It is being totally selfish all the time and constantly obeying your own whims. Darth Sidious practiced restraint and was powerful, but he didn't hold a candle to the likes of Tulak Hord because he just wasn't evil enough, as unbelievable as that is. Sidious wanted to rule the galaxy while ancient sith lords would have either killed everyone to attain godhood like Darth Vitiate tried, or enslaved everyone like Marka Ragnos did. Being pragmatic takes resisting dark side rather indulging in it.

What attempted genocide?

you can't really toss people around like the other classes can. all you can do is slash at their hp and that just always felt disappointing.

They're doing away with force choke in the new xpac. I'm pissed.

You can also unleash Bursts of Dark Side Energy. I forgot what the Skill for the Juggernaut is called, but that's basically what you do. You also get the Lightsaber Throw, which is pretty cool in my Opinion. :)

That's because the Sith Warrior is in fact a tank class. The DPS class has two sabers, which you do a lot of damage while having some medium tankie properties.

What are you on about? You have 2 lightsaber throws, a ground pound AOE. Force Choke, Force Throw, Two leaps... one of them long distance, etc. In addition, all the melee attacks feel powerful and meaty in comparison to other classes. Sith Warrior is incredibly fun and cool to play.

Probably because the Dark side was and still is a "corruptive" force that makes people into violent self destructive sociopaths if you use more than once a year or something

Read a fanfic "Darth Vader: Hero of Naboo". Vader here comes to the same conclusion. Light Side can be just as dangerous for user as Dark side, albeit in different way.

I'm pretty sure that George Lucas made it clear, several times, that 'Balance' wasn't using Dark and Light side techniques together. It's just that both sides are flawed when they abandon the majority of their emotions for either apathy or hatred. In the game, you learn from a Sith that the Dark Side used to be about using one's "passions" instead of pain and anger. Both traditions kind of fell by the wayside when they became self anaesthetizing, like you said. Another thing, the Jedi get their children voluntarily from the parents, and it's seen as a badge of honor for families in some cultures, to have a child in the Order. Calling it kidnapping feels irresponsible. Also I took the response the Jedi made to the genocide comment as a 'We seek to cure the sickness, not kill the patient' type thing, IDK why everyone is blowing up about it.

The Sith degradation of health is, I think, related to how much you feed your negative emotions. It might make them feel stronger, but I don’t think it actually has an effect on their power. Just look at Darth Imperius and Darth Marr. If anything, the chill Sith seem to be among the most powerful and talented. Combining the strength of the Dark Side with a clear and sane mind.

@@hydra5758 nice to see someone actually us their head

@Lionard Kirsch assigning light or dark side points should be based on the info a character has at the time of the choice. If the Mother Machine wiping out the Rakhata isn't at least hinted at, that's just poorly done

Ds is making a species extinct

Well. Restraint is not the way of the dark side, so it has to be, yeah.

Yeah seriously the amount of people victimizing the sith through moral absolutism bullshit is ridiculous!

I think the only ones that have been decent or at least somewhat are LS warrior, LS Inquistior, Marr, Lana , Judas, Scourge, Malgus and Dooku

Eh nah I prefer The Sith because while *alot* of them are lying monstrous lil bastards, their core principles is about embracing emotion and not restricting it or yourself, while they jedi are all about being a apathetic group of self righteous assholes who claim to be the good guys but commit atrocities left right and center just like the Sith, and have the audacity to act as if they did nothing wrong or just go with the typical jedi response " I do not agree with the actions of my ancestors and those before me lmao but fuck you sith i hate you cause your ancestors did bad stuff "

Thing with the dark side is that it's very hard to control, Sith claim to not serve the force, but be in control. Most Sith still end up being used by the dark side instead of the other way around. But there are definitely many Sith that genuinely used the dark side without really falling to it in the sense most Sith do. They stayed true to their original goals they set out before becoming Sith or have a very high sense of self control. Palpatine was always a Shithead, if you read plagueis you'll know that he never was a good upstanding citizen. But he was in control, dooku for the most part was in control, Vitiate was in control, revan ended up being in control, Malgus was pretty much under control, Marr and Jadus were also under control, someone like savage oppress wasn't. Dark side Jaina form swtor isn't, anakin on Mustafar wasn't. The list goes on.

Sounds like you've swallowed lots of Jedi propaganda, but okay.

Considering that she's a minor character with a 50/50 chance of being dead, that seems unlikely.

@@LtBasil Compared to Darth Malora who only showed up in one side quest only 2 classes could play or Darth Krovos who is just part of a bonus quest series for imps

Because you can kill Thana at the end of the Taris questline. Her strongest aspect is her ego. She *thinks* she the best Sith around. The fact you constantly save her ass? If you don't kill her someone else is going to eventually.

@@sarodanadian6496 bAcK iN mY dAy Every Imperial class could do the Hutta and Korriban missions.

Taris , the planetary quests

This is why I like dark side force users like Ventress and light side force users like Ahsoka. Both don't fight for any one "side", but if they see that something's wrong, they seek to correct it (even if it's for more...selfish reasons like it is for Ventress. I mean, I doubt that girl would've been taken back to her family had that prince guy not paid her before getting off that train on that big-ass bug thing). Still, I do like that those two do good things for more or less pure reasons than just trying to fulfill a political agenda or to help someone out with their evil plan to take over the galaxy with Tano's Master.

*Remembers Sith Holocaust from Legends* Yes...mistakes...

Light side choices for Empire is about pragmatism and what is best for the Empire as a whole long term.

"They may have instrumented genocide and two out of three of the longest, bloodiest wars, glassed planets as an interpretative art form, and gain powers from basically eco-terrorism, but at least they're honest when they do it."

@@thered1s276 Never said they weren't psychotic bastards, But that's why I love 'em.

No, they really don't. In fact, they don't seem to care at all.

@@grimlord3181 That's my point.

It is

well the Sith were already a darkside aligned species well before the jedi and the republic tried to exterminate them, still that doesn't changes the fact that said genocide really removes any notion of the jedi and the republic being good guys.

I wonder what the Force thought about every man, woman, and child who the Jedi killed for their species or for living on Korriban at the wrong time. It’s doubtful that they were all obsessed cultists of any kind.

@@marcialhd even though sith attacked first

@@aidenknightofaskr3705 that isn't the point, yes did attack first but that doesn't automatically justifies genocide as an answer.

@@marcialhd yeah I know but the sith were a threat

i think it is

I believe so!!

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