DBH! Where would we be without him.

Two of the great living theological minds talking over each other like two old mates down the pub. Just fantastic

I wish Dr. Hart and Dr. Milbank would continue this discussion without the time restrictions.

DBH never ceases to amaze me! Such a brilliant and uncompromising thinker.

These two thinkers understand what Good News really means. Thank you for posting this!!

I think when future generations survey the intellectual titans of our era's theological and philosophical thought, these two men would have to be featured among their number. Even where I disagree with Millbank and DBH, they've never disappointed in presenting a provocative and interesting view on important subjects

Thanks for sharing & thanks to the author for the upcoming book. This was theologically very pleasurable and beautiful, to say the least.

Wonderful discussion.

6:49 The not being elevated to supernature is not in itself a condemnation to hell. The alternative is, rather, the possibility of attaining an eternal state of natural perfection. Elevation to supernature is a gift, not an exigency of nature.

Kurt Godel makes a good moderator.

More! More!

Respect for Christopher, who performed the small miracle of getting both DBH and Milbank to stop talking for a moment :) In all seriousness, though, the conversation was worth every minute, and I can't wait for the book to come out.

Seeing God in Alice in Wonderland as enfolded into the story of Grace is a key to seeing how God and grace are in EVERYTHING.

Besides the fantastic content, which I love, I also can't help but wonder if one had to choose... is it better to have the most impressive hair on top of one's head or on the bottom of one's head?

David is like a big brain with a beard

Anyone know the name at 15:05?

Fantastic discussion!

Amen

this is great stuff. below are two links to must read books if you are interested in these matters.

I do get confused how Milbank is in such agreement with Hart, yet seems to be sometimes aligned with those like Deneen who is closely in line with Vermeule, who Hart is so deeply opposed to.

Isn't Hegel's Dialectic a valid ultimate metaphysic of "logos" (as the principle of comprehensibility, and the as the foundational reality experienced)? Why does is it that people want to pretend that Hegel was "trying to pull a fast-one" by thinking that his Dialectic is "God" (an untimely Aristotelian Judao-Christian trinitarian's image of God at that)?

"HAVE YOU COME TO TORMENT US BEFORE THE TIME?” -SAY THE CRITICS OF DR. DAVID BENTLEY HART

Thank You very much for this conversation. I want to translate this video into russian and dub it. If you give me permission.

Who is Aruguna (20:20 onwards)?

Could each of us be an , What if?

I beg to differ I will never refer to myself as a GOD nor do I have a desire to be one it was given to me at a young age to never attempt to try to hold that title or worship anything or anyone other than Christ

The last five minutes. . . 😳

Milbank with your turn man

You wish!

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44:15 Who??

I am astonished that Dr Hart would attack a divinely inspired institution! What's wrong with the DH? He obviously hates pitchers.

YOU are a God in the flesh! Through Christ, God gave us back the divine life mankind lost in its fall. Hence the divine healing miracles and casting out of demons, we experience up to this day. To not see God in Christ.... is impossible. "The Father and I are one!" "If you see Me, you see the Father!" "Don't you believe that the Father is IN Me?" "ALL (!) AUTHORITY in heaven and earth has been given to Me!". (Only God has all authority). At healing the paralytic: "Your sins have been forgiven you!" (Only God can forgive sins). "I am THE (not a) light of the world"......: God. "I have come to give you Zoë (=divine life) in abundance".... Only God can give Zoë life. "I am from above, you are from beneath. You are from this world, I am not from this world"..... Etc, etc, etc, When He explained these things, healed the sick, casted out demons, raised the dead, controlled nature for 3 years, they all worshipped Him as God/Messiah.... except for the critical scholars and farisees! He NEVER said: "Don't worship Me, I am just a prophet!". The Jews wanted to stone Him because: "You claim to be God". So Jesus is God manifesting in Human form. Period. Glad He did. So now we finally know the sayings and actions of God. Next step. To not see Jesus bringing the divine life of the ages back to you-manity.... is impossible. "I will send Holy Spirit, the same as Me, He will be IN you, guide you into truth and give you explosive power to heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons, etc, etc" "Follow Me, the miracles I do, you will do too" "God is IN you" "The Kingdom of God is IN you" "He who meets you, meets Me". "You and I are one" "You will understand that the Father is IN Me and I am in you" "See, I have given you power over all the forces of the enemy" "I have come to give you Zoë (=divine life) in abundance!" Etc, etc, etc. Hence the divine healing miracles and casting out of demons with His first 12+72 friends. As i understood these things, i experienced healing miracles and the casting out of demons already thousands of times and many other true believers do too. Yay! Conclusion of Paul after having revelation and healing all on Malta: "Jesus, the exact image of the invisible God. The fullness of deity dwells in Jesus bodily" and you have been made complete IN Him (the last Adam), who is the head of every principality and power". John (who had seen, touched, heard Jesus and walked in the same power and love): "the invisible God manifested in human form, in Christ and now in us". Thomas having revelation saying to Jesus: "My Lord and My God!". Jesus being God did NOT correct Him. Etc, etc, etc. His life totally proves He is God in human form. Begotten by the Spirit of God, filled with the spirit of God, healing all, raising the dead, casting out demons, controlling nature, raised from the dead, pouring out His Spirit for us to be indwelled by to be empowered to heal the sick and cast out demons, etc, etc, etc. Way to much to degrade Him to "just a prophet". So... Jesus is the manifestation of God in a human body.... "the Son" of God. He came to take the alienation away mankind got trapped in after the fall. He came to give us back the divine life Adam/mankind lost in its fall. Because of this fall, a perfect Holy sacrifice had to be made. That is what God did in Christ! It shows His deep, pure, affectionate passion from Him to you/His creation, to restore you back to origin: Christlikeness. Walking in divine power and unselfish divine love. Jesus walked flawless. Muhammed on the other hand.... Muhammed came after Jesus. He unfortunately never understood God's resolve for mankind's fall, wrote another story, called it the only truth, cutting of the real truth, leading millions astray from their godly identity in Christ. Heartbreaking. But for those who take Jesus for who He is and ask to be filled by His godly Holy Spirit.....: divine life. Tangible presence of God, healings, demons running for cover, etc. Just as with His first 12+72 friends. God will make you experience the full (godly) Life made possible through Holy Spirit. So don't be afraid to leave islam. God can only be found in/through Jesus Christ. Ask Him to fill you with His/God's Holy Spirit so He can guide you into truth and transform your life. You and God/Jesus are finally one again. He will open your eyes and give you Zoë (divine life). You will be growing into Him in all things. The life you see in Him and His first 12+72 friends. I experience it since 25 years and so will you.

Then he never understood rabbi Yeshua in the first place, radical Torah observance - not its abandonment for pagan ideas!!

As the subject was Hart’s book, I could have done with a good deal less Milbank and a good deal more Hart.

I don't feel like a god.😥

Which figures are Catholic Nazis? DBH is a very sharp guy, but seems to be utter mean spirited. And after 2000 years of Christianity two men in our foul age have it all figured out? His book on universalism was vicious - despite a basically splendid message. I don't get it.

Millbank is smart but my Goodness he keeps talking. Ask a question. Stop lecturing

I enjoyed the take-down of right wing Catholics at the beginning fo this video! Fascists indeed!

What the heck are you jabbering about? Use normal words for us “lay people”? Ffs!

DBH has a beautiful tone of voice. The tone of someone voice means so much to me and is one of the reasons I prefer to spend quite a bit of time alone. I am educated , yet not educated at the level of DBH. I do enjoy very much listening to these talks with DBH because I find gold nuggets just from listening. Point of example - in the last one and two minutes of this talk - the golden nuggets arrived. 🕊🕊🕊🤍📕📕📕