You could attach a lens to this ABANDONED RED Phone?

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Welcome to another ABANDONED Camera video! In this episode, we take a look at RED Digital Cinema's failed venture into smartphones that were supposed to support their camera systems and one camera that never came out. The Red Lithium.
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0:00 The RED Hydrogen One and Red Lithium
0:56 The History leading to the Red Hydrogen
1:56 RED HYDROGEN Announcement Party
2:53 We got our hands on the Hydrogen one!
3:54 What was this camera? INSANE
4:40 The "Holographic" Screen
5:44 Industry response to the phone
6:10 Worst tech product of 2018
7:27 Lucid and LEia Partnerships and the RED LITHIUM
9:24 RED Hydrogen One Screen "lightfield" tech
10:11 LG did "almost" the same thing 7 years prior
11:02 Jannard's pushback against reviewers
12:14 The ABANDONMENT of the RED HYDROGEN ONE
13:32 Respect is owed to Jim Jannard
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@chenseanxy Жыл бұрын

At least they didn't patent the idea of just any camera being on a mobile phone

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Right? Haha

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

👀

@BoBandits Жыл бұрын

Not funny...

@fritzwalter1112 Жыл бұрын

That was funny :)

@CNC-Time-Lapse Жыл бұрын

don't worry, Apple's working on it... :P

@renderjunkie Жыл бұрын

The sad part of all this Hydrogen fiasco is that if the company had focused exclusively on deliver a good phone with a decent 2D screeen and a great camera developed by RED, the project could have been a success. Probably the market is still there.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Way too many gimmicks

@billyoung9538 Жыл бұрын

Sony's Xperia 1 series of phones have been attempting to target this market. I have a second gen Xperia 1 my self, and in many ways love it. That said I won't ever buy another Sony Xperia 1 or equivalent Sony phone for one major reason. Sony has failed to update the software on slightly older models running near identical hardware. There is no reason they couldn't update the software, but they haven't, and the result is that the phones are WAY over priced if Sony won't give them the support they deserve. So next time around I'll probably shift to an iPhone as Apple updates the apps for all models that can run them.

@RonaldoTalison Жыл бұрын

Same thing for Samsung. They update their flagships for 5 years now. Sony don't do it because they don't want to. A real bummer.

@Ryan23251 Жыл бұрын

The lg v10 is still my favorite smartphone of all time. IR sensor to control any device, really great sensors paired with great lenses and great software that easily allows you to manually control aperture, ISO, framerate, and color temp while recording. It also had RAW format. I miss the days when smart phones were built to make your life easier

@Approach_Medium Жыл бұрын

@@billyoung9538 This is good to know, as somebody who was completely in love with my Hydrogen and also a loyal Sony Alpha user my next step was going to be a Sony phone, but i settled on the google pixel as my budget was not there to spend another thousand dollars on a smartphone. The Red served me well for 4 years, i tried to replace it 3 times and failed. The pixel finally replaced it when apps stopped working on android 8.1 and i had no choice. I love my pixel, but its in a case and its not faced with the abuse my Hydrogen was

@gabrielmachadobsb Жыл бұрын

RED describing it as "holographic" was absurd when it basically was a 3DS that couldn't play Mario Kart

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Yep! They had some "new" tech for the screen but it was marginally an upgrade 😂

@purpleduggy7680 Жыл бұрын

holograph comes from the Greek words ὅλος (holos; "whole") and γραφή (graphē; "writing" or "drawing"). A hologram is a recording of an interference pattern which can reproduce a 3D light field using diffraction. This 3D on the RED Hydrogen as well as the 3DS is holographic. The holograph you're imagining from Star Wars is not really a hologram, it is Spatial Light Rendering. The only company who has achieved this is Light Field Lab's SolidLight

@gwenlop9512 Ай бұрын

The worse part is is at least a 3DS has FULL ANALOG volume and 3D controls, plus a massive library of games you can slot into your 3DS, and you can actually mod it to make it better.

@Bast6 Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure at some point during the Hydrogen first couple of announcement, it was mentionned that Avatar 2 and it sequels would be released in 3D exclusively on that phone (meaning it would be the only way to watch it in 3D outside of the theater release). It was also said that James Cameron signed on to shoot the film with RED cameras THEN when the phone turned out to be... What it is, there was the big announcement with Jon Landau, James Cameron and the Cine Alta team at Sony that the films would be shot on Venice cameras and that they made the Rialto system for/with Cameron (and if we spend time searching the web and RedSuer we might still be able to find everything). Another thing : some Hydrogen One early adopters (via a preorder program I suppose) were offered a 1000-ish US Dollars discount on a RED Komodo preorder.

@toddpeterson5904 Жыл бұрын

I attended the announcement party for the Hydrogen. They had little booths where you could experience a 3D video playing, spatial sound, and other features. I was hoping for something awesome, but the 3D wasn't that good. The phone itself was just a regular android phone. Jim showed off a manual lens connected to the camera, but wouldn't let anyone touch it or use it. Strangely, the thing that impressed me the most was the spatial sound, which was developed by a French company. They had a sound booth where you could listen to a helicopter flying around. It truly gave the impression of being surrounded by speakers.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Interesting! Yeah that event seemed kind of weirddd. I think if they could have gotten the phone to work with actual lenses, could have been cool.

@lilmanydj Жыл бұрын

Wait did the phone give the impression of being surrounded by speakers?

@toddpeterson5904 Жыл бұрын

@@lilmanydj Yeah. It had 3D sound to complete the 3D experience along with the screen.

@toddpeterson5904 Жыл бұрын

@@FrameVoyager They probably could have carved out an interesting niche if they had skipped the 3D gimmick and tried to have the best smartphone camera (with interchangeable lenses). That being said, the phone industry is brutally competitive. You need something notably new every year, year after year. Even when the Hydrogen did finally ship it only supported an older version of Android. Developing software and hardware improvements to keep up with Apple and Samsung would have been a herculean feat.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

@@toddpeterson5904 for real! And I totally agree. They did WAY TOO MUCH for this product

@wreck2 Жыл бұрын

I was a day 1 pre-order, and got the "Houdini" pre-production model, I went full fanboy on this one. Was looking forward to the camera modules that never came to be. I did personally love the H4V, but 95% of the people I would show it off to hated it / thought it was a bad party trick. Needless to say, it was my daily driver up until the side button stopped working after 4 years, not too bad. They gave Hydrogen owners a $1000 discount off of the Komodo for the missing camera modules, but I already had an Epic, and that price was still too high for what I was thinking the 'module' would cost, so I passed. My friends call it the "Scam phone" and I can't blame them, lol.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

No I totally get it! Yep! I just think they focused on too many gimmicks to start off with. Just go with a phone with pro cinematographer features, lens attachment features, and the ability to attach as a camera monitor. 🔥product, but they didn't do that.

@AlokSomani 10 ай бұрын

Same exact boat as you. My Houdini's side button failed maybe 2 years in though. I did enjoy the color science of the cameras though -- find it to be better than my current iPhone, other than the natural limitations of dynamic range from that old hardware. The only thing that made the whole project a failure though, in my opinion, is that they gave up on it. If they had continued making improvements and gone for a v2, I would have continued to support it and think the second generation would be vastly improved.

@lear60man Жыл бұрын

Last year I happened to stumble upon a NOS Red Hydrogen One on Ebay and bought one for something like $150 as a back up to my Note 10+. The red is an amazing phone for a buck fiddy. Its built like tank, looks cool, works well and has a great battery. Now for some reason, they are going for $400+ which I cant explain.

@FergVision Жыл бұрын

I just can’t wrap my head around how much of a failure this was but such a good idea. I think Sony finally released a phone like this for their cinema cameras recently without all the Silly 3D stuff. RED could have Teamed up with like Sony or LG or take your pick of camera/phone companies and actually been able to make what they said but, you know, they’re RED.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Yep! They focused on too many gimmicks to start off with. Just go with a phone with pro cinematographer features, lens attachment features, and the ability to attach as a camera monitor. 🔥product, but they didn't do that.

@87solarsky Жыл бұрын

PARENT TROLL MAKES BAD PHONE THAT NOBODY WANTS. THE END.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@xWood4000 Жыл бұрын

I think the Sony Xperia Pro is similar to what the Hydrogen one could have been. But the Xperia doesn't make a ton of sense honestly, it's so expensive that you can just buy a normal phone and a smallhd monitor

@SuperNicktendo Жыл бұрын

The way they were hyping this phone with the pogo pins everyone was speculating that red was going to make something similar to what Samsung did with their Android based cameras. A red for 2500 that had modules. Nope. Just an expensive phone with an unimpressive camera

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately yes. Sounded like internally for the second phone they were going to have all the adapters and attachments

@lelluc Жыл бұрын

I'm glad sony has started to make photography/film phones like what people hoped the hydrogen to be, with no gimmicks!

@obiromaniankenobi1136 Жыл бұрын

And full of bloatware.

@christoffer886 Жыл бұрын

You should have a short follow-up video on how Red gave a discount on early adopters of Komodo because of the Hydrogen, giving them a discount set to the cost of the Hydrogen. Hydrogen became a sort of backup monitor for anyone who had a Komodo.

@AyStar Жыл бұрын

Finally, at long last. The coveted Hydrogen video. Banger video as always. Gosh I was so eager to try this phone out for myself so years.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Appreciate it! Fun topic to cover. And yeahhh, would have been cool if it had worked out

@michaeltorumedia Жыл бұрын

A baffling project for sure 😳 Love the breakdown videos as always 👊

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Appreciate it!

@BobbyGeneric145 Жыл бұрын

Been waiting all week for this

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

😅 hope it was worth the wait!

@JeremiahTrue Жыл бұрын

I was so interested in that camera but never knew what happened with it

@jackkraken3888 Жыл бұрын

Hologram effect! Amazon Firephone:"First time eh?"

@jabezhane Жыл бұрын

I just remember all the reviews at the time going "oh...this is...disappointing!"

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

@Duck7n8 3 ай бұрын

Not gonna li, the red hydrogen one was an experimental phone, if the price wasn't that high, people would finally recognize how awesome the phone is! And im typing this comment with a red hydrogen one

@CNC-Time-Lapse Жыл бұрын

Great job! Love the ABANDONED series!

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Appreciate it!

@ElusiveFrame Жыл бұрын

I remember MKBHD showing it off. It was one of the weirdest announcements.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

So weird! Haha just a cool bizzarre product. I love it

@Veptis 7 ай бұрын

Apple bringing affordable LiDAR to their phones is a bigger revolution...

@Kashilembo Жыл бұрын

I was waiting for this video to drop

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

🎉🎉🎉

@EVRLYNMedia Жыл бұрын

I was wondering when you'd do an episode on this! Proud owner of a Hydrogen One that i still daily drive

@retrothing Жыл бұрын

I still have that HTC phone! Looks like it may have slightly better interocular distance on those lenses than the RED did. 😁 It was a terrific novelty. I suppose it would have been cool to see a pro evolution which it sounds like RED missed the boat on. Guess I’ll go back to shooting with my 3DS and my Aiptek 3D… 🤷‍♂️

@GearSeekers Жыл бұрын

I was so excited about this when they announced it...... Oooops

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Yeahhhhh, it should have been good. But they didn't focus on making it that useful for pro cinematographers.

@ozkflx Жыл бұрын

This was just too ahead of its time.

@Edwin-- Жыл бұрын

Thanks for another nice episode! Is history currently repeating itself with the Leitz Phone 1 over in photography land, only released for the Japanese market by Leica...?

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

History ALWAYS repeats itself haha

@Three60Mafia Жыл бұрын

The fact that this thing, for all its faults, did NOT have the best cameras/camera software of all time - just makes it a lot sadder. They missed every single mark on this one possible.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

They didn't even work with the main RED team on the camera. It operated almost as a separate company. Just a strange product

@Editor905 Жыл бұрын

SONY: "That' s just THE F..KING GREAT IDEA!" (constructing Xperia Pro\Pro i) 😂😂😂

@javidaderson Жыл бұрын

I remember this being the first MKHD roast of a device.

@RodBlanc Жыл бұрын

the new Xiaomi 12S Ultra Concept is a show on how this phone could have been made. Imagine if this phone had a sensor that size and a clip to attach lenses. It would sell crazy

@alexamderhamiltom5238 Жыл бұрын

looking for this comment, it actually really weird how sony not doing this.

@constantinosschinas4503 Жыл бұрын

The only thing Hydrogen got right, was the price. Paved the way to absurdity.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 pretty much!

@localhost4460 Жыл бұрын

RED was an innovator and now it's litigious patent troll.

@ruslanyanko7991 Жыл бұрын

Maybe do the The Viper Filmstream next, it's even less known that the others on the list

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Oh, it's written 😉

@Rafotofilmsproductions 10 ай бұрын

One question? How to or can it be connect it to a dsmc2 as announced?

@waylonboner Жыл бұрын

I love these videos just like everyone else. I was watching Miami Vice the other night haha and I just couldn’t get over the camera so like a nerd I looked it up, Thomson Viper. The more I read about the sensor and specs the more intrigued I was. Could you do a video on this???

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

That script may or may not be already written 👀

@waylonboner Жыл бұрын

@@FrameVoyager yessss, also shout out collateral

@TheYouTubeMechanic Жыл бұрын

Damn. He was really hanging his hat on that phone.

@chrisfratz Жыл бұрын

Honestly, if I had the money I would probably buy this phone off eBay just so I could use it to watch rips of my 3D Blu-rays on it. Assuming of course it supports any stereoscopic 3D content. I've been getting into 3D Blu-rays over the last year and the only way I'm able to watch them is with my VR headset, which is fine but sometimes I just don't want to have to put it on to be able to watch stuff.

@treesworld_lp Жыл бұрын

I am watching this on my RED Hydrogen One rn hoping for a second model to get announced

@michaelangeloabarreto4588 Жыл бұрын

I was always confused as to why they would advertise the 3D screen like it's not be done before. Like..the 3DS exists

@thelemonpepperdon Жыл бұрын

Unbox Therapy didn't like it? The check from Red must of bounced 😂

@kid_rajah Жыл бұрын

I remember watching Marquis Brownlee’s review of the Red Phone and at the time i had the iPhone 5s and was going to upgrade to the iPhone 7plus. I thought “this thing will never sell at over $1,000 for an android phone. Today I have the iPhone 14 Pro Max at $1,700. My, How times have change.

@maxsaltin1001 Жыл бұрын

Jannard deserves no respect. Sony, Canon or others would definitly have made compressed Raw in some time, no doubt.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Oh, for sure. But RED saw the potential first and forced the industry into it. Probably why we got an Alexa from ARRI when we did. But I don't necessarily love how they went about doing it

@articshifter5535 10 ай бұрын

The fact that a smaller company in cinema try to make a phone is good. I would buy the hydrogen over the iPhone 14 Pro Max that I’m currently running. And to be fair, I remember a KZfaqr a year before the phone actually came out, was talking about how great the phone was using it, but when it finally officially came out, all of a sudden he went back on what he said.

@TheHealinZone 9 ай бұрын

Where can I find the attachments?

@SirSeabass Жыл бұрын

Itd be cool to see the story behind the Flip cameras. I know it's a consumer camera but it's the first one i owned sent ñ and shot with. I made a short documentary for school

@rw3452 Жыл бұрын

Red advanced yes, but has held back massively so I’m not giving them any brownie points.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

😅 fair enough

@UncommonManFromEarth Жыл бұрын

At the time I worked with a rental company that has a lot of RED Cameras so they got one. I really wasn't impressed with it, you should never over sell and under deliver. It was very disappointing.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

For real! Really oversold this

@lavavex Жыл бұрын

I have a hydrogen one as my work phone right now, lol

@toneohm Жыл бұрын

Love your channel

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

🙌🙌🙌

@javebjorkman Жыл бұрын

Amazon did this 3D party trick thing too

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Yeahhh, I mean it's cool for like 2 seconds and then just a gimmick

@definingslawek4731 Жыл бұрын

These are the guys who said the minimags are a super special custom data medium for their cameras and that's why they cost 2500 for 480gb, when in reality they were using off the shelf, cheap consumer ssd's running free and publicly available firmwares lol.

@FlyingEyes27 Жыл бұрын

The New 3DS can shot videos in 3D too. 😃 But it looks like 144 Pixel videos with 12 FPS. A maxture of a good price and a little bit more like focus on Camera and the phone becomes a top selling product. But forgetting what RED primarily is (a Camera Company) was the leak on the sinking Hydrogen Ship

@CerneStudios Жыл бұрын

nice!! Drop a video about Red and their sneaky things, Jinny mag vs Red and their overhyped 20x more expensive rebranded cheap components and their weird patents. There's a lot of questionable things in the company

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Already covered it a bit in the 28k video!

@CerneStudios Жыл бұрын

@@FrameVoyager yess but Jinny tech dropped a couple more videos in the past months, would be interesting to put together a more simple/shorter way to describe what has been happening :) just an idea for a future video

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

@@CerneStudios that's true! Could be an interesting video! We covered it a bit but I'm sure we could cover it in a series like "camera companies lied about x" or!! I could try and get a jinni tech interview 👀

@daileydose6493 Жыл бұрын

Love the new intro!

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

👀 our abandoned camera into?

@flolorenzo Жыл бұрын

Wasn't this the same phone everyone used in the netflix movie Don't look up.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Maybe 🤔

@RyanFreshhh Жыл бұрын

For a quick second, I thought this was about the flip cam

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

😂

@Da_Man_1221 Жыл бұрын

Considering Sony’s success in the Venice line and rumors of Canon dropping new cine offerings at NAB maybe it’s time to talk about the other forgotten Big cine player, Panasonic and the Varicam line which seems to be knocking on deaths door. The EVA 1 was the last Varicam to be released in 2018 and there has been no word on updates or new cameras also the prices on the existing cams (Varicam LT specifically) have been dropped significantly. Hope isn’t the case because I love how Panasonic cameras handle and the images you get are stellar (they do constantly site their “Varicam look” when promoting their Lumix video cameras so maybe it still has a pulse)

@AlexandreBugado Жыл бұрын

In the end, all that matters is that this phone can be the perfect 3DS emulator due to it's screen

@asmrdestiny Жыл бұрын

Being a RED Epic-W owner I was excited for the RED phone but ultimately I didn’t buy it due to price…..funny how prices for phones in 2023 are higher than this now 🤷🏻

@Clay3613 Жыл бұрын

Damn, this crappy phone killed a 3D comeback! I love my 3DTV and IMAX...

@sonidojamon Жыл бұрын

They should have called the camera... R3D 😂😂😂

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

😅😅😅

@filmtonyvalles Жыл бұрын

I believe that RED's attempt to create a phone, which ultimately failed, is nothing out of the ordinary and shouldn't be ridiculed. In fact, I think it's commendable that they attempted to achieve what many deemed impossible. RED had a "can-do" attitude and a history of success, which drove them to pursue this venture. Although the RED Hydrogen did not evolve further, it presented an opportunity for the company to create something remarkable. While it may not have been suitable for everyday use, it could have been a perfect device for on-set lifestyle. It could have served as an excellent accessory for controlling their cameras, as well as a monitor for 3D shooting. Moreover, it could have had LTE capabilities to download software updates and use applications that require connectivity. When I reflect on the first GoPro, I see a product that was initially in its early stages, but it eventually became one of the most significant inventions of our time. Similarly, the RED Hydrogen was a great product that was in its early stages. It's essential to acknowledge that innovations take time and dedication to evolve into something great. Overall, I think that RED's attempt to create a phone was not ridiculous. Instead, it showed their determination to create a revolutionary device. While it may not have been a commercial success, it presented an opportunity for the company to create something remarkable in the future.

@SynthRockViking Жыл бұрын

Why though, did he feel a holy passiontn make a phone? And now I want one

@visual-enthusiast Жыл бұрын

Red Camera Patent No. 234098N: How to take photos with a phone while holding it with one or 2 hands.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 file it quickly!

@mikevlack7687 Жыл бұрын

The 3D monitor on the Nintendo 3DS was far better. On the release day, the first phones were delivered and almost straight away people were trying to sell them at a loss. It was obvious within a few hours that it wasn't going to be a success.

@versi0nzero Жыл бұрын

i remember watching all the TERRIBLE reviews when this first released

@azv343 Жыл бұрын

Those two lenses are too close together, anything photographed with that phone further away than 6 feet won't have much depth.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

yeahhhh, it was kinda dumb tbh haha

@bobbylasers Жыл бұрын

My life's work... Proceeds to tank reputation 🤦

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

😅😅😅

@Approach_Medium Жыл бұрын

People can hate on this thing all they want. It got me to stop taking my DSLR with me literally everywhere. I was able to one handed shoot photos. With the later color science updates on the camera software, the photos got better than the early reviews. The only reasons i stopped using my hydrogen is the glass across the primary camera cracked, making photos in lighted situations difficult, and the lack of apps being supported anymore for android 8.1. The battery still lasts amazing. its the ONLY phone ive ever rocked without a case, it doesnt need one. It took all of my abuse from working on cars, to falling out of my jeep, to working on the railroad. I would pay for another phone like this again. It was rugged and comfortable and took very good photos, more along the lines of what a photographer would want and not the wow look at how we over processed this iPhone photo type stuff.

@Ranger7Studios Жыл бұрын

I got to play with one of these at the Verizon store. They were awful.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Yeah the one I got was not great 😅 interesting concept but way too over hyped

@killacram7150 Жыл бұрын

I have both versions titanium and aluminum!!! I really love them still use them ! Not bad though for there one and only phone!!! Mine still work great!

@matthewwalewangko1995 Жыл бұрын

I bought a Leia Pad when they were available and it's surprisingly outlasted my OnePlus 8. I'd love to see a video about Lightfield cameras and tech, or a 3D camera in general. Then again, the Leia Pad hasn't had an update in a while and the last update to my OnePlus borked it so that's definitely some personal bias fodder.

@AlokSomani 10 ай бұрын

How is the Leia Pad's screen compared to the Hydrogen? How is it in isolation as a 3D screen? Curious as a former Hydrogen owner.

@matthewwalewangko1995 10 ай бұрын

@@AlokSomani I presume that the screen is as good or better than the hydrogen one. I've not owned a hydrogen, but my original Leia pad is still going strong and looking nice and the second Leia pad looks better to me. Also apparently iPhone 15 will have "spatial cameras" so hopefully more 3D content is made.

@BobbyGeneric145 Жыл бұрын

Why i wanted this phone primarily was the high tech body. My latest pixel 6 pro was 1100usd and the glass body is so slippery it LITERALLY slides on a flat table. No exaggeration... You can just set it down and itll slowly start moving. Why premium phone makers don't have carbon fiber /Ti bodies is beyond me. Id pay an extra few hundred for a carbon fiber chasis on my pixels.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

For sure! But that was like the only good thing about it haha

@DaBoaringDragon Жыл бұрын

Didn’t the Amazon Fire phone have a similar type of display?

@wynoglia Жыл бұрын

has xiaomi taken up the mantle in the smallest of ways tho? with the 12s ultra

@cameramaker Жыл бұрын

It always amazes me their speak - "we had no idea what we are doing" (not only here, but also on red one). My reply is - then dont do it. Either I know what I want to do, or I dont. It looks pretty bad to hear them say that they are clueless scammers.

@GammaScorpio Жыл бұрын

Basically a 2012 HTC Evo 3D, which had the same style of display and camera system. Nothing new..

@tc227 Жыл бұрын

7:08 Did they put a MS-Optics 28/4 lens on the phone? EDIT: Upon further comparison, It has some small differences to the actual MS-Optics 28/4 PERAR Super Triplet. My guess would be they made a lens model that is *heavily* inspired by MS-Optics, along with the exact name and "MC" marking.

@princequestly2218 Жыл бұрын

Sure looks like it.

@annekedebruyn7797 Жыл бұрын

It's funny how we all thought that you would be able to use your phone as a monitor via the pins in the back and that was exactly what the phone couldn't do. It was so disappointing that it didn't do that (at least on release.) They really only had to do that to make it somewhat worth it for RED shooters. Something Sony was able to do at that time.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

If they focused on that and the lens mounts and pro cinematographer features this phone would have worked. The screen was a dumb costly decision

@purpleduggy7680 Жыл бұрын

It can do that. It has video in, and audio in on the pins on the back, as well as a number of other connections, a feature no other phone has, and the video in does work on Red Cine cameras, I use mine as a monitor even today. A number of community projects have built working modules for this phone. I think this phone is still awesome in 2023 and I say this while owning a iPhone 14 Pro.

@komekko373 Жыл бұрын

Hydrogen Phone is Obsolete.. We can now shoot in RAW CinemaDNG in 10 Bit. Only android

@108u9 Жыл бұрын

12:58 Jannard was ABANDONED

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

👀👀👀

@neilfilms Жыл бұрын

I wish they focus more on the camera that phone would like the xperia 1 siries

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

😅

@ScottBalkum Жыл бұрын

Hydrogen was absolutely horrible. One of the worst products with the RED name on it. I had hopes for the camera portion but not the 3D. Once I saw the 3D, I laughed and said, nope, exactly what I thought. Horrible.

@ChrisbottrellphotographyCoUk Жыл бұрын

We make it up as we go.......a bit like claiming they invented compressed raw....

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

😳😳😳

@LeeHarris Жыл бұрын

"mind numbingly" was an unfortunate turn of phrase...

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

😅😅😅

@lanceforlife5166 Жыл бұрын

It did feature in Fast 9

@flohendrickx Жыл бұрын

In Don't Look Up, too.

@USSRDragon Жыл бұрын

I have one of these phones I use as a PDA at work and it has ok battery life, about 60% usage in a day, screen is acceptable, 3d feature always a neat gimmick to show people, but its camera leaves alot to be desired. It supports 60fps recording, but when the files are played back it plays them at half speed, even using VLC. Same with 120 on a lower resolution, 30fps play back. That is actually dumb. The quality of the camera doesn’t even compare to my Oneplus 7T either, so why does it have a lossless 100mb bit rate option on videos? The phone just has a lot of weird quirks to it, but for $100 I picked it up for its a fun little gadget.

@ampillustrations Жыл бұрын

Watching this video on a hydrogen rn!

@calistheticsmurdergeese Жыл бұрын

They're 130 dollars on Amazon. I legit still want one.

@14bqdonk Жыл бұрын

Nintendo who made 3DS console with glasses-free 3D in 2011 👀. Old tech but still, 7 years apart 😏

@tehsin13 Жыл бұрын

They should've gone to Sony route with focused heavily on video.

@8lec_R Жыл бұрын

Didn't need to exist. It was for a customer who never existed

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Nope! Good to see you 😉

@XantheFIN Жыл бұрын

So they took a phone frame, slapped Nintendo 3DS screen and camera module from Qualcomm..? Sounds normal.

@Casp3r.aka.Droid. Жыл бұрын

Plus when the HTC Evo 2 came out everyone got the phone used the 3d effect for one day showed all their friends and never used it again that's what happened to me I was like can your phone do this everyone was like no and that's all I ever did with it. It was just another bragging point then the Kyocera Echo came out around the same time so you know I had get that too and be like can your phone do this does it have two screens that turn into one big screen actually I use the hell out of that phone it was really useful for multitasking I actually use that feature all the time watch KZfaq videos have the video on the top screen and all the comments or a bunch of videos on the bottom it was great for social media you could have Facebook on one screen and Facebook Messenger on the other you can be in the app store on one screen why your getting directions from Google Maps on the other now that was a great phone it wasn't so powerful but it was useful I'm surprised they never came out with a second version because that phone did sell they should have came out with a second version with bigger screens less of a bezel and a hell of a lot more powerful I would have bought the Kyocera Echo 2

@nite2332 Жыл бұрын

I was dumb enough to buy this phone. The phone is terrible, but virtually indestructible. I bought another phone two years later. That's broke last year and I"m back to using my Red. Everyone makes fun of me, but I can't break this phone.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

They got one thing right and that's the body of the phone. Just indestructible! They had something here if they just didn't go crazy spending on the "holographic" screen. Just a simple case of trying to do too much with the first iteration of a product.

@nite2332 Жыл бұрын

@@FrameVoyager What really upset me was the poor quality of the camera. The gimmicky "holographic" screen is crap, and if they'd just used a good quality screen from that time period it would have been fine. But the camera is absolute crap. My daughter was 12 at the time and got her first phone. That used iphone was better than my "state of the art" Red phone. This was a company known for their cameras, why farm it out. But I will give them some credit. While the fingerprint sensor has been broken for about the entire time I've had the phone, this damn thing won't quit.

@quentindescotte6037 Жыл бұрын

At least they tried new things and want to innovate. Of course lots of these things will fail. But it doesn’t matter !

@greglowry5630 Жыл бұрын

The idea that Jannard was "forced out" is ridiculous. Forced out by whom? It isn't a public company and Jannard funded the whole venture.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Private company is still have to have controlling members especially with it not being a sole proprietorship. Depends if Jannard had the controlling stake, so definitely possible. But like I said in the video, I doubt that's what happened here.

@greglowry5630 Жыл бұрын

@@FrameVoyager Um, yes, I'm well aware of corporate structures, etc. You may "doubt that's what happened here" but there is absolutely no plausible scenario in which Jannard was "forced out" of RED. None. Zero. I'm definitely not a RED fanboy, but I find that kind of uninformed and wild speculation to be cheap, unwarranted, and offensive.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

It's not wild speculation because they had a second version very far in development (according to our sources), and they canned it at the last second at the same time jannard left. There was speculation about it in several forum groups at the time and questions about it in some articles. Nothing was ever made out of it obviously because we'd never be made aware of it. But that's the reason we covered that question, because it was a question a ton of other people asked about the product so we addressed it as being unlikely. We didn't come up with it. We could have explained that more in the video but didn't think we'd have to as we said it probably wasn't the case. 🤷‍♂️

@greglowry5630 Жыл бұрын

@@FrameVoyager I fail to understand how "speculation about it in several forum groups" and a "question a ton of other people asked about the product" validates your choice to repeat the speculation or makes it any less "wild". Did you do a company records search to determine if Jannard is still a director/officer/shareholder of the company? Did you call RED to ask for clarity about Mr. Jannard's status with the company? No you didn't. So if you cannot offer anything new in the way of facts on the subject, why raise it at all? Particularly in the context of Mr. Jannard being "forced" out the company and all that implies. I repeat that there is no factual basis to draw that conclusion, so that part of your story is simply regurgitated, lazy, amateur reportage. But not to worry, most of the other videos here contain similarly superficial or downright fictional details so I won't be around to question your dubious choices anymore.

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

@@greglowry5630 again... It is not part of our story. We addressed it as being very unlikely 🤷‍♂️ also if that actually ever happened no one would ever validate it that would know about it. But AGAIN we said in the video that likely didn't happen. So I don't know why you think we confirmed or came to that conclusion, because we didn't.