You Don't Need Perfect Grades - Lawyer Goes Through Law School Grades

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Күн бұрын

We get asked a lot of great questions in our comments section and in our DMs - and by far the most frequently asked is "can I still become a lawyer if my grades aren't great?" In today's video, we want to answer that question by going through Lloyd's law school grades. We look at some things he did well, and some things he didn't do so well, and how he overcame them to become a corporate lawyer at an international law firm.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
0:53 Background, Law School and Exchange
1:12 First Year
2:55 Second Year (Exchange)
3:49 Third Year
5:46 Fourth Year
6:27 Fifth Year & Overcoming a D+

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@stephenhall4115 Жыл бұрын

This is very similar to the advice I give to my law students. Grade A for this.

@EmandLloyd Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Professor Hall! I don't think I ever took one of your classes, sadly, but am very happy to receive an A on this video 😁

@chinyeoh7882 Жыл бұрын

I can attest that your skills as a commercial lawyer are A+

@EmandLloyd Жыл бұрын

^ former boss btw Thanks, Chin 😂

@asq4867 Жыл бұрын

Love this! but where I am studying law the grading is so harsh, your first year grades with B and B+ is actually really amazing. Only about 3-10% of the class where I am will be sitting on consistent A range grades

@nnicollan Жыл бұрын

Lloyd you've outdone yourself, you made a video about grades and nothing but grades but it was interesting all the way through.. really good flow. Love when smart people use their intellect/experience to analyze things and really give their mature views on things - not enough of that around.

@EmandLloyd Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much, Anni! Appreciate all the support you give me and Em on our videos, and very happy to hear that the video was interesting to watch :)

@carriecarrie23 Жыл бұрын

Hi Lloyd! Back when I was in law school, I was terribly upset when I received the final grade for my property law course because it was lower than expected. Gosh, I remember thinking that I snuffed it up because that was the field I want to practice in after being fully qualified. As a result, that impacted my whole view about graduating with flying colors and led me to finish law school with the motto of 'as long as I pass the course in one piece, that's all that matters'. I'm so glad to hear that those with not so-great-GPAs are able to become lawyers too. Thanks so much for sharing your personal experience with us!

@nerd26373 Жыл бұрын

I’ve had average grades throughout my academic journey so far. I’m not the type of student to ace all my exams. I still try my best, though. Sometimes school can be difficult to navigate. Thanks for sharing this video with us. It sure helps out students who may be flunking and may be in need of motivation to do better.

@EmandLloyd Жыл бұрын

Totally understand that - I've always been more practice oriented myself but have always tried hard in school regardless. Def hope the video is relatable to others who have had the same or similar experiences!

@cherylkoh119 Жыл бұрын

This is super inspiring as I go into law school exam season!

@annahoyinchan2105 Жыл бұрын

thank you for sharing this: how to become up and above the past challenges we faced, it is really appreciated

@Lwoods1717 Жыл бұрын

I just had a family law paper today that was extremely long so this is right on point

@diisengmash4098 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this video. I'm a 2nd year law student all the way from South Africa and you're video is really encouraging. I sometimes worry that my grades aren't good enough because law is very competitive.

@Elizabeth-st3be Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for sharing this. I'm in my final semester and the heavy grade cloud still hangs around! It's so refreshing to get perspective on this from someone who has been very successful in the profession. You and Em are both awesome - really appreciate this channel🙏

@krizza7192 Жыл бұрын

Going to start my LLB in a few weeks! I am quite nervous since law is known for only smart people, at least in my circle. This is very inspiring. Thank you! 😊

@gudycastillo4084 Жыл бұрын

This was actually really inspirational, thank you !

@dorisliu6006 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing Lloyd! I've been watching your channel but this is the first time I comment. As someone recently went back to school to change career after working almost 4 years in my previous field, this video resonates with me a lot. Grade doesn't matter that much when it comes to job hunting and career outlook. When I was an undergrad student, I used to think that GPA is like tattoos which will be with me for the rest of my life, but now I'd like to think of it as a door that shows me the differnet paths to opportunities.

@EmandLloyd Жыл бұрын

I love that metaphor - totally have had the same evolution of thinking as yourself. Love to hear that you’ve been enjoying our videos and thanks for the comment/support!

@jeremyd3770 Жыл бұрын

Love to see this video! I got B- in my civ pro and contracts in a US law school, and it felt bad lol. I wanna be a commercial lawyer in the future, and your story is very inspiring!

@shirleyo9787 Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed your video! Looking forward to the next one!

@adolfinablack6323 Жыл бұрын

Hi Lloyd! I am currently a law student in cuhk, and this video is super encouraging. I worked hard but still feel like my grades are slipping, was about to give up when I saw this video! (P.S. It’s also really helpful as I will avoid taking those subjects with a bad grade…)

@EmandLloyd Жыл бұрын

Don’t give up!! 🙌🏻 and just because I got a bad grade in something doesn’t mean you won’t do well in it - we’re all different and have different circumstances. Best of luck with law school!

@adolfinablack6323 Жыл бұрын

@@EmandLloyd Thanks so much Lloyd, you are such an inspiration!❤️

@Sophadophie Жыл бұрын

I love your videos! Could you make a video on time management in Law School and how you planned your days? Thank you!!

@kavitagopal4915 Жыл бұрын

i love that message !

@hongyulu8766 Жыл бұрын

Hi LIoyd, thanks a lot for sharing this! I am a senior from NYU studying finance, experienced unsatisfactory results during my freshman year for both personal issues and COVID, that's where I related a lot with you! Things turned better moving into sophomore spring, and now I have landed an internship at top tier international investment bank as well!. Thank you two for Keeping making high-quality videos like this, looking forward to the newsletter :)

@EmandLloyd Жыл бұрын

Great to hear it!! All the best with your internship - hope you absolutely kill it

@pfl1140 Жыл бұрын

OMG many thanks Lloyd you really save me from regretting getting a C+ in commercial law while I plan to become a transaction lawyer

@knzdkss5020 8 ай бұрын

would love to hear more about your experience at cambridge!

@tsangpaknam8881 Жыл бұрын

Thx for sharing!

@takumamedia Жыл бұрын

Hello there! I just discovered your channel yesterday, and I love the vibe of the content. Let me just hit that subscribe button! :) Way to go, and I feel a fantastic source for inspiration here. Thank you from Japan.

@user-dw2mc6il2n 3 ай бұрын

This video helped alot.. just received my second year semester one results and ended with a second lower (52%) for Tort Law. I went through a hard break-up just before the exams and things went downhill fast. I am still in shocked since I want to be an academic and figured that this might pull my final classification down as PhD requires a first class honours in law for direct admission. Now I guess I should just put the work in and try pulling my second semester grades up to reach a minimum of 60%.

@CE-st4fu Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for sharing this. I’m in my sophomore year and I did really bad last semester. Right now, some of my friends are applying for an internship but I don’t want to because I think my grades are terrible😢

@EmandLloyd Жыл бұрын

Definitely apply - as cliché as it may sound, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Worth applying regardless of how you think you've done, and if you get a shot anywhere, do your absolute best at the internship. Good luck!

@martel8626 Жыл бұрын

This was interesting to watch, thanks. I've gone back to college to study law having worked in tech (including legal tech) for the last 16 years, and was curious as to how grading was handled in other institutions. As someone who is usually on the other side of the interview process I can say that neither I nor my colleagues over the years have placed any emphasis on grades except when interviewing recent grads. Once someone has even a modicum of experience, their grades become unimportant. So when you say the D+ hasn't been an issue since, I sincerely doubt it will ever be again.

@EmandLloyd Жыл бұрын

Great to hear and thank you for sharing your insight! Best of luck in law school - it's v interesting to hear that you've made the decision to switch career paths, and we hope everything works out well for you 😄

@jazztonish Жыл бұрын

Hi! A random viewer from Thailand! One of our universities here requires its first year students to take a P.E. course too! And thanks for sharing this. I loved and did great in contract laws. But I realized later on that I wouldn't want to spend most of my time drafting and revising contracts, or deal with clients' expectations. My overall grades were average. I even got a D in Employment Law 😅. I guess I found it very boring and couldn't grasp the concept. Now working at a law firm where I'm happy that I can help my team maintain their well-being and fair treatment.

@EmandLloyd Жыл бұрын

Awesome - glad to hear you ended up finding a job that you're happy with!

@Musiclover_171 Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed this. I’m an IB student too. Could you do a video on your thoughts on the IB program and if you think it helped you get college opportunities? Thx!

@Aidan_Au Жыл бұрын

All these grades we won't bring to graves......

@EmandLloyd Жыл бұрын

💀

@macykwok1453 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Lloyd for the inspirational sharing by telling us your story! 🥳Indeed you must be a brilliant student back then since u managed to get fair grades in law courses when you were a freshman! May I know if I am correct to say that the CGPA requirement for trainee/vac scheme application in ifirms would be at least a first class (over 3.5) + other significant commitments?

@EmandLloyd Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I don’t think a first class is a requirement for most firms - a 2:1 (around 3.3) is fine, and resume matters as well. It helps to have extracurriculars that show interest in the intended job/industry for sure (which for me was plenty of mooting)

@gabrielasofia4816 Жыл бұрын

I take this: jsut becasue you had a ....rough time, it does not mean you cannot be successful.

@christielee9899 Жыл бұрын

SO TRUE. I aced company law and commercial law but i hated both courses so much, i'm never touching these areas with a 100-ft pole 🤣 grades don't matter as much as people make it out to be!

@christielee9899 Жыл бұрын

commenting as i watch on: the final year was when sh*t hit the fan. HOW did you fit seven courses into the last semester?!?!??!

@lomandy3189 Жыл бұрын

Heyyy Lloyd - did you get matt cheung for contract one as well ? He is such a great teacher. p.s. CUHK year 1 LLB

@_F_Y_ Жыл бұрын

Lloyd, would you tell us about your family background?

@Michael-iw3ek Жыл бұрын

Did you write "youguys" in your corporate contracts?

@MrBjorn6 Жыл бұрын

B+ B are struggling at maybe Harvard, Yale and Stanford law?

@elliehung9856 Жыл бұрын

10/10 would hire based on A- in softball (men) 😂 (ps I love Phoenix Wright!!!)

@EmandLloyd Жыл бұрын

Only a B+ in basketball tho, I would be concerned about job security 😶

@lazyhusband Жыл бұрын

I got an A in basketball

@dac8939 Жыл бұрын

What was annual salary

@thedevilsadvocate3710 Жыл бұрын

I'm middle aged and work in a professional environment as an executive manager. In my observation, there are the "cool" kids and the nerds. Nerds do the work and will be happy with that 2.5% annual raise. "Cool" kids put on their kneepads and do the actual work and drain their bosses balls for the actual prize, the promotion. This is the reality. If you're in a corporate ladder type environment and you're not cool with this, leave now!