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@DrDirtyLeggz
@DrDirtyLeggz Ай бұрын
I was gassed at the Arena and I did some laps. Missed the Willow match and took a break to get food during the Jericho match. Sitting down for all 14 matches is detrimental
@tonythepokemonguy751
@tonythepokemonguy751 Ай бұрын
As someone who went to mania 35 I felt this cause I did the exact same
@parsath_2584
@parsath_2584 Ай бұрын
Naito absolutely does not try as hard on US shows. By his own admission he doesn't care about being a star in the west. And by his own admission has never watched any American wrestling. Which ironically makes me respect him more, because man openly does not give a fuck.
@ItDoesntMatterReally
@ItDoesntMatterReally Ай бұрын
This is true, but I also think it's that he just doesn't care about AEW. His bout with Moxley at NJPW Strong's Windy City Riot in front of about half the crowd in attendance for Forbidden Door was actually good.
@parsath_2584
@parsath_2584 Ай бұрын
@@ItDoesntMatterReally he doesn't. He didn't care on ROH shows back in the day either. He works hard in Mexico though, he just isn't interested in American wrestling. When he feuded with Jericho he kept insulting him by saying he knows nothing about him except he was in Best of the Super Juniors.
@ItDoesntMatterReally
@ItDoesntMatterReally Ай бұрын
@@parsath_2584 Someone also pointed out last year in his multi-man bout at Forbidden Door he came out in the dreaded t-shirt and took fewer bumps than Sting. Didn't even grace the crowd with a Destino finish. Love me some petty Naito antics.
@ethangoldstein8063
@ethangoldstein8063 Ай бұрын
I'm okay with a 4 hour show but I'd prefer to have it begin at 7
@beardedbronco
@beardedbronco Ай бұрын
Creative control is a myth. If everyone in AEW had creative control nobody would be sitting in catering
@CulEdz
@CulEdz Ай бұрын
Ricky Starks being able to say no to a Big Bill feud. Miro being able to say no to losing to anyone he doesn’t want to. That’s creative control.
@kennethgrahamjr5597
@kennethgrahamjr5597 Ай бұрын
​@CulEdz no just do wanna work fans be logical
@raduconstantin7289
@raduconstantin7289 Ай бұрын
​@@CulEdz Isn't creative control but more wrestlers trying to put presure on the others.
@CulEdz
@CulEdz Ай бұрын
@@raduconstantin7289 no that’s literally creative control. You can control or influence creative. No creative control means Chad Gable being Shorty G or The Fiend losing to Goldberg. Neither Gable or Bray wanted to do it, but did it anyways because “no creative control”.
@DMofPuppets
@DMofPuppets Ай бұрын
WWE getting hot and improving has really shown how much people didn't want an alternative. They just wanted WWE to be good, and that's fine. They should just stop watching because they sour it for those of us who are really enjoying what AEW is doing.
@hoemalone
@hoemalone Ай бұрын
Or they just aren’t happy with the alternative that AEW is offering.
@sodlaflare
@sodlaflare Ай бұрын
More people need to hear this
@PowerPackers90
@PowerPackers90 Ай бұрын
Brian Zane even mentioned this in his "Monday Night Impact" video a month or 2 ago. The mindset with fans wasn't this will help grow TNA. It was "competition will make RAW better."
@parsath_2584
@parsath_2584 Ай бұрын
People view wrestling through a more limited lens than other forms of media. There's room for both Hollywood Blockbusters and indie films to have an audience. There's room for Taylor Swift and Dream Theater to be considered successful whilst appealing to radically different demographics. But because pro wrestling has been a monopoly for over 20 years, some people think the WWE way is the objectively right way.
@kinnikuboneman
@kinnikuboneman Ай бұрын
I think people just want to watch good and interesting wrestling and WWE has the most interesting stuff going on right now
@TheGreat_Kramer1
@TheGreat_Kramer1 Ай бұрын
I think Mone was telling the truth and trolling at the same time.
@RApollos107
@RApollos107 Ай бұрын
The best thing about the Zero Hour is that it's available to watch anytime you want. You don't have to watch it when it is live.
@mistervancleef
@mistervancleef Ай бұрын
Love these videos!! Thank you, Steve! You’re the man!
@quothetheraven79
@quothetheraven79 Ай бұрын
Hey I made the thumbnail WOO HOO
@projectgraham414
@projectgraham414 Ай бұрын
Punk had creative control too, and he was talked into winning the title (which he didn't really want), so I'm not too worried about Mercedes. She's not Hogan, and I'm not too concerned about her abusing it. If you're not worried about the Bucks, you should pay no mind to this
@Jason_from_cal
@Jason_from_cal Ай бұрын
The Bucks have helped destroy everything they touch too
@Roric_The_Red
@Roric_The_Red Ай бұрын
Oh we were all worried about the bucks years ago 😂
@fscorpion678
@fscorpion678 Ай бұрын
everyone has "creative control" it's just basically that they can talk what they think works for their character
@vegetalover9297
@vegetalover9297 Ай бұрын
she's worse than Hogan
@chriscollins550
@chriscollins550 Ай бұрын
She is worse than Hogan. Also to soon put any title on her. Just more killing the product.
@DamonHardin
@DamonHardin Ай бұрын
Always appreciate the content and your interaction with the community. 👍
@tytakamura
@tytakamura 29 күн бұрын
Wild Theory! I know its insane. John Cena joins Solo’s Bloodline, In a shocking Hogan NWO fashion. Imagine, Face Roman vs Heel Cena Cody vs Cena, Orton, & KO vs Cena Imagine, Final-Boss Rock vs Heel Cena The possibilities are endless, more than likely we’ll just get the typical “Cena” experience. Most will say “why would he?” I have trust in HHH and Cena to figure out a figurative path. Just a thought I had at 3:30am
@Bayley4ever
@Bayley4ever Ай бұрын
yeah Sanada and Evil are the only other two it seems that are at the top, but they didn't deliver the numbers apparently. Naito was super awesome, haven't seen him wrestle in a while, though. Haven't watched New Japan in a while either. It is in a rebuilding period, that is for sure.
@ItDoesntMatterReally
@ItDoesntMatterReally Ай бұрын
Pretty much anything past or current LIJ is over right now in New Japan. Shingo, Sanada, Naito, even young Tsuji. I think Evil's starting to wear out his welcome with the HoT antics though. Did it enough to get he and Moxley voted out of the Dominion main event.
@Bayley4ever
@Bayley4ever Ай бұрын
@@ItDoesntMatterReally I have seen Takagi, but not really getting into him. I know he is popular. I like Hiromu Takahashi, I know he is a junior.
@AngeltheAnswer
@AngeltheAnswer Ай бұрын
Bushi Road wanted Mercedes to be their first Strong champion so idk why anyone thought they wouldnt want it on her now
@mydogsnameislucy768
@mydogsnameislucy768 Ай бұрын
People’s hate boner for Mercedes is downright fascinating. lol
@kazkaze2456
@kazkaze2456 Ай бұрын
i love it, its so funny, they are so invested in everything she does & says.
@princealigorna7468
@princealigorna7468 Ай бұрын
Mariah May after that match: "I'll take them both on I'm hardcore"
@underscore5708
@underscore5708 Ай бұрын
nothing aew loves more than building up a great heel only to turn them babyface and ruin what made the fans like them in the first place
@AzumiLP
@AzumiLP Ай бұрын
I wouldn't put the belt back on Sanada, they pulled the trigger on him WAY too late! once he left LIJ and joined J5G his draw and star power just kinda...fell off, and that's coming from someone who was a huge fan of his. I know he's still young but put the belt on Umino, give him a run and see how it goes, cause the audience love Shota.
@bryguytyguy
@bryguytyguy Ай бұрын
At this rate Steve is a pro-Sasha troll
@emeraldninjalink6312
@emeraldninjalink6312 Ай бұрын
4 hours for the big shows is fine, but for a show like forbidden door(which I feel is lesser than shows like all in and double or nothing) should be around 3 hours.
@thevoicelesswriter
@thevoicelesswriter Ай бұрын
He argued that it's Forbidden Door so it should be filled with exhibition matches. It's a PPV. You would think that people want the matches on PPVs to feel different from regular weekly television (where exhibition matches with other promotions also happen), so the matches on PPVs should push a story forward or end a story.
@HoosierJ219
@HoosierJ219 Ай бұрын
@@emeraldninjalink6312 I think they should make Forbidden Door a two night event especially since AEW partnered up with CMLL, and Stardom
@KURSEDSOULS666
@KURSEDSOULS666 Ай бұрын
I didn’t buy the ppv but I will say the zero hour matches were fantastic
@Marcus-xu7hn
@Marcus-xu7hn Ай бұрын
I like that even tho Mercedes took willows belt willow is still doing something
@Rcurtis777
@Rcurtis777 Ай бұрын
I don’t get how Tsuji, ZSJ, Kidd, Titan, Hiromu etc aren’t in the newj main event scene
@ItDoesntMatterReally
@ItDoesntMatterReally Ай бұрын
Tsuji's won NJ Cup and had two world title matches already, so I'd say he's technically main event. I don't know what the deal with Zack is. He seems loyal, but maybe he doesn't draw domestically. There also might be a fear he wont draw globally either. Kidd's only been in NJPW proper for a little over a year now, and while he's great in-ring and has an awesome persona, he's not a draw for western fans who aren't already watching or Japanese fans just yet. Titan splits time between NJPW and CMLL, but does awesome when he shows up for junior tourneys. I think after the Dominion debacle they're starting to value juniors more, especially now that the heavyweight division is lackluster. I kind of want this year's G1 to bypass the R3M and other young hopefuls involved just so Naito can win and challenge Hiromu for Wrestle Kingdom. Everything LIJ past and present is over in Japan, and Hiromu's very deserving of his flowers. His goal all year has been a title shot against Naito. I say give it to him.
@gustavoclarindo101
@gustavoclarindo101 Ай бұрын
Agree with @FunkySpaceManIslans 😂😂
@DarthBearistotle
@DarthBearistotle Ай бұрын
We do gotta watch Zero Hour, we stan Willow in this House.
@tonythepokemonguy751
@tonythepokemonguy751 Ай бұрын
Good ole JR like the post match of Mina/Toni
@Justanotherjobber
@Justanotherjobber Ай бұрын
I was excited for MJF's return and they have really let me down. Now they are going to feed another returning original to Sasha😂 wtf are they thinking. They make it hard to care when the people you want to see are wasted.
@WhiskeyFiend
@WhiskeyFiend Ай бұрын
I'm sick of people trying to pretend Women's wrestling isn't less athletic men's wrestling
@WrestleJuice
@WrestleJuice Ай бұрын
you're sick of it?
@silxix2599
@silxix2599 Ай бұрын
As long as she loses, there's really no problem.
@brendanflaherty9409
@brendanflaherty9409 Ай бұрын
Thought they sequenced the matches perfectly there was just too many of them. cut jericho and the elite trios and its pretty ideal
@mutedmayday
@mutedmayday Ай бұрын
Remember you don't have to watch Zero Hour
@thevoicelesswriter
@thevoicelesswriter Ай бұрын
10-11 matches for every PPV is still too much.
@validationboy
@validationboy Ай бұрын
Trash Stanks is doodoo. Always was and always will be.
@seanqualey8024
@seanqualey8024 Ай бұрын
I got a hot take, Mercedes Mone is the current WCW Hulk Hogan in the women's division. It seems like she has to have a championship to prove herself that she's the best of all time.
@mutedmayday
@mutedmayday Ай бұрын
She's nowhere close to that point yet
@lesterama6110
@lesterama6110 Ай бұрын
That's not a hot take, almost everyone agrees on that. My take is that she's working everyone because of her CEO character
@PowerPackers90
@PowerPackers90 Ай бұрын
I mean, she has the midcard belt. Hogan came came in day 1, took the world Title, and didn't give it up for years.
@thevoicelesswriter
@thevoicelesswriter Ай бұрын
@@PowerPackers90 She has two championships. After only having four matches since joining AEW, she has won two championships.
@centristamerican7845
@centristamerican7845 Ай бұрын
WCW hogan in aew was when punk came back from the triceps tear for those couple of months
@thevoicelesswriter
@thevoicelesswriter Ай бұрын
Why is Zero HOUR an hour and a half long?
@Cenzo1130
@Cenzo1130 Ай бұрын
Who cares? Like is this where wrestling discourse is? Too much free wrestling?
@kennethgrahamjr5597
@kennethgrahamjr5597 Ай бұрын
Don't watch it
@kidneystonermusic
@kidneystonermusic Ай бұрын
I don't even like AEW but I watch the PPVs so I know what Cornette is talking about 😂 Shingo vs Bryan was awesome, and I dig that Stephanie Vaquer a lot
@mike112789
@mike112789 Ай бұрын
How sad, you watch so you can have a old racist rant about how much he hates the product.
@kidneystonermusic
@kidneystonermusic Ай бұрын
@@mike112789 that's part of it. I'm also addicted to keeping up with it, even though I stopped watching weekly in 2007. Like an abusive ex I swear will change back to being good to me one day. But I know better.
@klawstecno2083
@klawstecno2083 Ай бұрын
Jim is awesome! I think Shingo vs Danielson was okay and Stephanie Vaquer carried the entire match against Mercedes, but what a great wrestler she is👏🏻
@JACKXK
@JACKXK Ай бұрын
@@mike112789 This toxic attitude is why many people will be happy when AEW folds.
@grammysworld5449
@grammysworld5449 Ай бұрын
​@@mike112789 Jim would actually sit down and talk to the kids at his SMW shows and most of us were black or Hispanic.
@Surv1vor1993
@Surv1vor1993 Ай бұрын
Mone is absolutely the Hulk Hogan of the women’s division. She’s a double champion after only 3 matches and is immediately getting a championship celebration ceremony on Dynamite this week; whereas when Swerve won the world title, he didn’t get his celebration until the Collision after the PPV
@chriscollins550
@chriscollins550 Ай бұрын
Just killing the product more making decisions like this.
@VanezBane
@VanezBane Ай бұрын
MJF has the same problem Bray Wyatt had back then, long drawn out promos with no substance and a character that goes nowhere. hopefully he gets an engaging story soon. Vaquer&Mone seemed to have no real chemistry. Vaquer was great but Mone fumbled all over the match.
@liltaxer
@liltaxer Ай бұрын
I dont understand people complaining about the zero hour, like dont watch it? its free on youtube and twitter and if there is a match that intrests you, watch it later then?
@thevoicelesswriter
@thevoicelesswriter Ай бұрын
10-11 matches for every PPV is still too much, especially when a lot of these matches should just happen on Dynamite or Collision instead.
@liltaxer
@liltaxer Ай бұрын
@@thevoicelesswriter This I can agree on but to say it was a 15 matches card when 5 of them are on the zero hour and pretend that u cant skip them is a bit disingenuous.
@DeuceTreyz
@DeuceTreyz Ай бұрын
Mercedes Mone = Dollar Store Sasha Banks
@Queenlunaloveswolfking
@Queenlunaloveswolfking Ай бұрын
Nobody is putting a gun to your head to sit 🤣
@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva
@KAPTAINmORGANnWo4eva Ай бұрын
I think MJF has peaked in AEW. He'd have been way better received if he'd gone somewhere new like New Japan or WWE. Punk comparing him to Miz was on the money because if he doesn't leave AEW or wildly reinvent himself soon, I see him settling into the same rut that the Miz has mostly been in since his failed world title run: sporadic bursts of "yeah this guy is really good at character stuff, why did he fall down the card?" in between years-long stretches of do-nothing midcard goofiness.
@JakePayneWrestling
@JakePayneWrestling Ай бұрын
What I worked you Steve? 30 Second squash
@reymondlopez7468
@reymondlopez7468 Ай бұрын
So your best guy MJF gets a 10 minute opening match. Ridiculous. He should be headlining instead he’s being wasted.
@Rcurtis777
@Rcurtis777 Ай бұрын
Mjf doesn’t care about forbidden door, he made that evident in his match
@kennethgrahamjr5597
@kennethgrahamjr5597 Ай бұрын
​@Rcurtis777 look at cuhz face
@BAYBAY_316
@BAYBAY_316 Ай бұрын
After hearing TK say he is happy with creative I fear my personal deadline of ALL IN will mean no more AEW for me. I'm just tired of hoping for change and TK being delusional.
@Carlt0nBankz
@Carlt0nBankz Ай бұрын
What change would you like?
@kennethgrahamjr5597
@kennethgrahamjr5597 Ай бұрын
Plz let us kno
@WillS724
@WillS724 Ай бұрын
Khan is terrified of not getting his entire roster on a card so he doesn't get upset employees. And also doesn't want his multi million dollar investment in Mone having boo boo job face with her losing to Baker.
@HoosierJ219
@HoosierJ219 Ай бұрын
I think Ospreay should lose to Daniel Garcia this week. So that way we can tell Ospreay's downfall and go on a redemption arc
@ericsmusic5927
@ericsmusic5927 Ай бұрын
No one asked
@user-ei3ux3pd7z
@user-ei3ux3pd7z Ай бұрын
I asked
@jaredarmstrong385
@jaredarmstrong385 Ай бұрын
Why is forbidden door? What is the purpose of having a PPV that features multiple people no one in America has ever heard of before?
@mutedmayday
@mutedmayday Ай бұрын
I knew everyone except for the CMLL wrestlers. The other wrestlers have been around for a long time. I'm sure people know more than you think
@parsath_2584
@parsath_2584 Ай бұрын
Do you ask why they hold a show in London, which Americans can't attend? Or are you actually capable of understanding that there's an international audience?
@catholicguy3605
@catholicguy3605 Ай бұрын
​@@mutedmaydayit's the opposite. Lot's of people don't even know more than half of the AEW roster.
@jamarbracey3778
@jamarbracey3778 Ай бұрын
It's a gift to fans that actually know these people. The maniacs that hit the net and watch/stream/download foreign shows and indy shows/ppvs. I think it's dope that they acknowledge they people exist instead of acting like American wrestling is the ONLY wrestling. If it's not for you don't watch...it's literally that easy.
@jaredarmstrong385
@jaredarmstrong385 Ай бұрын
@@parsath_2584 No because the show in London is intended to feature people who actually work there. It’s just getting them in front of a an international audience that doesn’t get to see them live very often. Putting your top talent in matches with people your audience doesn’t know is the exact opposite of that. And it’s not bringing in new eyes because everyone who knows who these people are is already watching AEW anyways.
@LordBlakeWhitehouse
@LordBlakeWhitehouse Ай бұрын
The number of matches is fine. Especially if AEW wrestlers get PPV Bonuses so more matches equals more wrestlers getting money.
@thevoicelesswriter
@thevoicelesswriter Ай бұрын
Then why not just put the entire roster on every PPV? You get a bonus, and you get a bonus, and you get a bonus. Everybody gets a bonus!
@Cenzo1130
@Cenzo1130 Ай бұрын
⁠@@thevoicelesswriteryou mean like wrestlemania? 😂😂😂😂😂
@gulraizbhutta
@gulraizbhutta Ай бұрын
AEW is Awesome
@bluwng
@bluwng Ай бұрын
I feel Mone is either really lucky or really good and she isn’t good. Her being strong champion is not believable and her squashing people that could eat her for breakfast and spit her out.
@tsdqhussain
@tsdqhussain Ай бұрын
Wwe manipulate the pop and boos, sometimes i see a dead crowd, but there is huge pop and some people join the sound. Heyman segment was very good. But keep this in mind. Plus just look at the difference between wwe crowd and aew crowd, wwe crowd is mostly kids and their families.
@centristamerican7845
@centristamerican7845 Ай бұрын
That disney-lite feeling is the reason why I can't enjoy wwe. I get why it's successful though.
@grammysworld5449
@grammysworld5449 Ай бұрын
So the piped CEO chants never happened?
@tsdq512
@tsdq512 Ай бұрын
@@grammysworld5449 CEO chants are in the music. not extra piped in.
@grammysworld5449
@grammysworld5449 Ай бұрын
@@tsdq512 that's still manipulation
@tsdq512
@tsdq512 Ай бұрын
@@grammysworld5449 You Lost. Admit it.
@markula_4040
@markula_4040 Ай бұрын
Zero Hour is for those who didn't buy the PPV. As for the live attendance, they can check when the actual PPV starts on cable TV and then plan to arrive just before then. Problem solved.
@jordancourtney9142
@jordancourtney9142 Ай бұрын
All these remarkable women and somehow Britt Baker is gonna get featured tv time.
@Ian-Omega
@Ian-Omega Ай бұрын
You sound kinda like the people who are telling us that Biden won the debate. Massive amounts of cope.
@benjaminspear9708
@benjaminspear9708 Ай бұрын
This is wrestling, not politics mouth breather.
@Magic7ball
@Magic7ball Ай бұрын
Seriously fr so skibidi cope glazing like a sussy cringelord
@robertm6590
@robertm6590 Ай бұрын
Nobody won...
@DaDude95
@DaDude95 Ай бұрын
Meh show
@TheGreatKingChiba
@TheGreatKingChiba Ай бұрын
@4:30 - i would definitely say its within the realm of possibility that she has creative control and that she might actually be Hoganing this. This is the same chick who was manipulating Vince to get her way in WWE... so its not out of the question that she would have duped Tony for creative control. He gave it to Punk, i dont doubt that he would give it to other big ex wwe guys.
@floppynipps297
@floppynipps297 Ай бұрын
MJF not being a heel the second he came back blows my mind. Adam Cole betraying MJF should have made him the most hateful version of Max we've ever seen but instead they pretend that whole story never happened. Now that I think of it I don't even know the last time I saw any of Undisputed Kingdom on TV
@mike112789
@mike112789 Ай бұрын
You obviously don’t watch. What you said makes 0 sense, MJF addressed Cole, and kingdom was featured last week and on pre show, with a video package online after PPV.
@floppynipps297
@floppynipps297 Ай бұрын
@@mike112789 I know MJF addressed Adam Cole but that's part of the problem. This was AEW's primary story last year and obviously both of their injuries got in the way but the fact that it has had absolutely 0 effect on MJFs character makes no sense. Also didn't watch the preshow or see their online clip so I'll admit that's on me
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