What cooler do you have?

just last week I got a R9 5900x to replace a 3800x and I undervolted it and gained 400Mhz ALL core and my temps are cooler

I have my 5900x overclocked slightly and undervolted with an offset of -0.2, it benchmarks a few percentage higher (not too concerned about getting the best of the best) and runs substantially cooler. With a Noctua D15s (and all my case fans at 40%) the highest I've seen it peak is 75°c (the joys of booting up) but in a render benchmark 63°c is more realistic and a 37/8°c idle.

@@mentholdeathray I have the vetroo v5. It's on the edge of it's ability to cool this, but it is what I got

I should also mention, as of right now, it has not gone above 65c for the entire day. During stress tests it will hit about 74 or so, but normal use it doesn't usually go past about 72

I underclock my GPU about 5% and it's just enough to keep it running silently and cool. I like it. I tell myself it lasts longer just to help justify it. LOL

i undervolt my gpu, and then overclock it a bit and i get a 18% boost in games vs stock

My 590 doesn't like to be undervolted. No matter what i try just doesn't like it.

@@lexwaldez you can actually get more performance while using less voltage and running cooler. There are some great guides out there. I have my 3070 running at 2025mhz @0.950v. Stock was around 1950mhz@1.07v

Optimum Tech has some great GPU and Ryzen undervolting guides, since he focuses on small form factor ITX builds where any thermal improvements are appreciated

your tldr was longer than the stuff preceeding it. or is the tldr for the stuff coming after? dang i must be old.

I have a 11700kf and it can do 120-140mv offset @ all core 5ghz and its worth it :) Also worth mentioning cache frequency @ 4ghz is deal , 4.2 already needs waay more volts. 4ghz no adjustment base total cpuv ~1.30v 4.2 or 4.3ghz already wants to be base 1.42-1.47v

I could do a 50mV undervolt while running 20% oc on my core 2 back 13 years ago. Somethings never changed.

I have done it on a 10850k. -100 mV and instantly 12 degrees cooler and works like a charm

@@ungleich Whats your mobo? Mine is hitting 100 degrees under cinebench r15 on everything default.

i dont know if this will help you but if you have central air you can turn the fan on when gaming to help vent to room you are in to slow the heat up

There is not a huge amount of info out there on the two... But I believe Jay actually may have the interpretation of VID slightly wrong - I believe VID is what the cpu core is actually asking for, rather than the voltage being supplied, and VCORE is the actual voltage provided by the motherboard.

No loss in performance on any workloads. I believe that reducing/increasing voltage away from defaults/stock will always introduce instability, however on my use case, I haven't encountered any.

Ty , i tried here with an off set of -0.130v using the same progam as the video, and temp drop from 100 to 82-79 in cinebench, test a bit in cod and it seems good, temp drop from avg 60 to avg 52 same perfomance , will test more in the week to see if it Crash or something.

I have i9 10850k cpu. Cine bench test is stable at 1.28v static. Anything below 1.25 crashes. How can find my offset voltage ? Once stable you save it as adaptive with negative offset ? Thanks I’m new to this.

What I did was leave the cpu core voltage to "Auto", then set the core voltage mode to "adaptive" with negative offset.

you can also "underclock" it from Power options on windows. From there Change advanced power settings> Processor power management> Maximum processor state and change it from 100 to 99. i think its basically the same as underclocking or volting idk could be wrong. Also do it at ur own risk, had it for 1 year on and no problems doe so its not risky or anything imo, just saw someone say its risky changing those kind of settings which i dont agree with. Simply revert if u have issues.

Maybe the chapters didn't show up yet... idk

Chapters are SEVERELY underrated! Why you need to use chapters on KZfaq videos

Also please give more info and tips on gaming laptops. I'm close to giving up after buying another and selling my 1 year old desktop. Atm I'm questioning if i should return my leopard GP66 and stick with Lenovo legion 5 Pro. Or tbh just say fuck it and get a gaming desktop beast on sale (leopard was 700 USD off on sale) and then get a laptop in addition for bringing with me I guess. Tbh I just use my phone. But want a laptop keyboard. Ugh I give up. I can't even play games anymore. I spent most of my 60 hours in elden Ring trying to mod a d fix it. Fuck capitalism lol I'm so sick of products being made for profits instead of usage quality. Legion Pro 5 can't do 10 bpc with HDR 4k 120hz. Leopard fans are noisy. Nothing works. Or I guess ik just bad at choosing. The desktop I bought with a 3070 and r5 had terrible temps jfc what s shitty prebuild.

Chris feel free to post them. Look under wan show how it's done. Make yourself useful 😂. But I agree chapters are sweet.

@@Venomonomonom commenting on this channel complaining about a prebuild lmao the irony

A year ago an he has not even let you know. Sad 😔

That sorta sounds like a seating issue or paste?

did the same thing with my 12600k dropped 10c on my hottest core performs basically the same

Went from i9 9900k to 13700kf as well, holy moly, full custom water loop and went from 50 c under load to 80s. Undervolt is much needed!

@@aLumberingOx I no longer need to turn on the heat in my basement mancave while I'm in the flight simulator 😂

Im so late to this, but I got a 13700kf as well and it instantly goes for 100°C, did you undervolt?

​@@groxincheck your cooler

@@kutemo3715 oh I changed it now.. its way cooler now

Are you using air or liquid cooling? I got a 12600k and I'm not sure what air cooler I want to use

@@Krushking99 im using a 360 aio water cooling kit from asus

@@hector-fpv ok :(

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didnt help anything with my aircooler be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler - still hits 100 degree and idle is 45-50 degree celcius. crazy ^^

@@rominosinfield That is why I went with the 5950x. I can use it easily on my NH-D14 which is very similar to the dark rock pro 4

Perhaps a ploy funded by intel Isræl make us buy the K variants more so. Would not be the first time! 💰 👃🏼 👥

I just replaced my G5 with a new computer because of this. Wish I saw this sooner.

@@sunram131 It was possible a few generations back. It is a Intel-wide issue sadly. Now I just run an old BIOS until I switch my computer. Glad you got something better now!

I was able to do it on my i7 10750h laptop. It made a significant difference. Brought temps down 10-13c with a -0.110V core voltage offset. Now I have a i7 12700k pc 4070 ti pc I built and the thing runs so cool I dont need an undervolt but I did a very mild Undervolt anyway at -0.075v. I can get it to -0.180v stable It's rediculous how cool my temps are when gaming and my performance. Cpu never goes above 50c under load and on idle is low 20s and my gpu tops out at 50c under load and idles around 28c. I have 1440p hdr 144hz monitor with freesync and I top out no issues in any game max settings and 144fps barely works my gpu and cpu. I couldnt be happier with my build and the air cooler I got for my cpu is just fantastic. Arctic Freezer Duo esports 34 cooler. That thing is a beast!

I have an i7-8850H. Does that mean everything I did in ThrottleStop isn't actually having an effect?

Have you checked HWiNFO if the undervolt causes WHEA problems? My undervolt didn't cause any troubles but it sure threw a lot of WHEA errors which you do not want to have.

His ending message of now having to do this with Intel chips lol. Aged like wine.

You can deild your own as there are kits out there. I bought a full kit for my 4790K but turned out at the time I didn't need it.

Would that mess with performance or anything?

@@MikeE_wf Generally, no, the typical point of undervolting is to lower the power/heat while maintaining the same clock speeds. However, there are instances where people have deliberate lowered clock speeds because they didn’t need maximum speed, only lower power/heat or longer battery life. There are also cases, as with many of the older AMD K10 APUs where you could lower the voltage for idle clock speeds, while increasing the “non-boost” and “boost” clock speeds without raising the voltage (or even slightly lowering voltage), giving better performance with the same or less heat/power usage. In short, there is a whole spectrum of things you can/could do. Newer CPUs give you much less control over these things.

@@MikeE_wf Not at all. If you go too low it'll only become unstable (freezes/BSOD). Otherwise there's no downsides at least for Intel systems.

@Ms Moon Boo Does this apply to older cpu's like the 6600k? as far as voltages go. I've had my 6600k running at 4.5ghz OC for about 4-5 years now stable, but it's auto voltage hovering between 1.125-1.155v reaches about low to mid 70's under load.

I second all of this, cooler chip, higher boost.

That's fucking amazing. I'm definitely gonna try that with my new amd build as well.

Set a static voltage - about 1.3 volts or less, then use negative curve optimiser and the per core boost optimisation - you should gain more performance. In terms of temps, you can set the temp wall to 70 degrees c.

all cores @ 4900Mhz?

I've since changed OC strategies, since manual overclocks disables a lot of features such as PBO. I've shifted the voltage curve in PBO to get much better results without deactivating any features of the processor.

@@Vibitiot did you do that in ryzen master, or is that something you can only access from bios?

No effect on fps right?

@@joaosantos5503 nope not at all

For a higher boost and much cooler cpu try running a negative PBO

seems a bit low but go off lol

I want to know how do you undervolt Ryzen. What software do you use?

What do you do to speedstep?

Easiest is to disable load line calibration.

I tested 12700k with undervolting and gained a few more points in cinebench AND It ran cooler about 12-15 degrees! Wild...

That's crazy. You got a good CPU for sure. But yea I'd say every CPU has quite a bit of headroom with lowering voltage. Most people still don't touch settings like that and having a pc crash because it needs a few mv more is definitely worse for the manufacturer than a bit more efficiency...

By keeping your 5950x at that low level 1.1V 4.3Ghz which is great by the way if you are rendering all day long with Vray/Redshift/Arnold/etc. But if you are gaming? By default the CPU it's able to boost 2 cores at 4950-5000mhz. You just destroyed it for gaming purpose. Unless you have a Dark HERO motherboard which is able to switch overlocks. Then yes.

100%

And now imagine how much you can undervolt if you drop the clock by maybe 200--300 MHz

AMD has pretty good auto OC, it's 95% better than most OCs (because the clocks can boost certain cores higher than an all core overclock) Best way to get more performance on normal air coolers is normally undervolting, because lower temps -> cores can boost higher A good video to watch on this is *"PBO overclocking - absolutely worth it"*

yeah stock voltage is typically based on an average although intel's stock voltage is more varied based on die quality(?) while AMD just uses a hard number. for example 3k series was just a straight 1.35v for all cpu's(can't remember what 1k/2k series was anymore). with AMD there's zero reason to manually overclock.. just try to keep the temps as low as possible and let the cpu handle the rest.

The stock voltage has to be high enough to accommodate all wafer-to-wafer, chip-to-chip variance for the expected lifetime of those chips. Depending on silicon lottery, you may be able to get away with a 60mV under-volt today but need to reduce it to 40mV a few years down the road while another chip may only be able to get a 30mV under-volt out of the box.

Can you maybe explain why Watchdog won't work on Asus mobos like Z790-P - basically makes XTU unusable because it won't save settings on reboot.

wow, that's incredible , i've never undervolted and i have a 12900K , ugh. i don't really know what to do because i hate messing with off the shelf Intel CPU chips. I have a 360mm Corsair Capellix using Lian Li fans (nice Lian Li Uni fans)...

@@harpoon_bakery162 easily got my 12600k to drop 10c on the hottest core if you do it in bios just subtract a bit at a time and do a cinebench run to make sure it's stable

@@chrisk3127 hmmm, that's intriguing for sure. i may have to tinker

@@harpoon_bakery162 "i don't really know what to do" you just watched a whole jayz video that gives you an idea WHAT TO DO..

@@harpoon_bakery162 It's very easy to undervolt, as Jay said. Just go into the BIOS and set the CPU voltage to -0.100 offset voltage for a start. Then run stabilty tests, put it -0.010V lower, rinse and repeat. I run my i7 7700K at -1.165 offset voltage absolutely stably with over -10c drop in temperature [can't remember exactly how much, think it was more].

That's a big problem.

Hi. Can u please tell me what was the stock clock speed for i9 13900k ? Mine is always above 4.3 ghz at idle. Is it normal ?

Any differences in terms of gaming performance and fps count?

@@zubairhasan9246 if you keep your power plan option to ultimate performance in windows , this happens, switch it to power saver/ balanced when you are not using it to game and it gets down to 2.3 ghz

Not 100% sure, but in the video he is always using static voltages. My i9 13900k peaks up to 1.435. Did you just used static, or used the offset mode? If so, what value is the offset and is it just the difference between the max stock peak and the stable static voltage to be applied?

​@@pietervandebroeck2021should I use static voltage? Wouldn't that be bad when I'm not inside a game vs when I am and it would use more power

Thanks for posting. Been running my 8086k stock for years. Will try undervolting.

Do you use the cpu in a welding machine? I believe an overclocked 8086k should emit lots of heat at 5ghz (even if you use just a single core of it).

Curve Optimizer is the bees knees.

I undervolted my 5900x to just 1.2v and its at 4600mhz. . My temps is around 70c at the highest. Very impressed with Ryzen

D15 was able to handle a 5950X for me, I eventually got the parts for my water loop but while I was verifying my system stability it ran on a D15 and it still kept the CPU under control temp wise. Noctua really did their homework on that cooler.

@@filanfyretracker its not the best anymore

@@cement_slab They're supposed to be updating it but noctua works so slowly we'll be lucky if we see it on shelves early 2023

Oh, almost forgot. My ASUS Hero Z690 motherboard had the voltage at 1.382. ( which was actually around 1.425 volts as measured with HW monitor ) I was able to get it down to 1.235. :-)

after hearing this im happy i got a12gen couple of days befor 13 droped

​@@ClasSiXdAK1nG i think you're even more happy now seeing the news

@@danymend5797 could not be more happy tbh xD was a good choice with the 12gen

@@ClasSiXdAK1nG you dodged a bullet right there

I think you mean 5.3 GHz and 5.5 GHz, no? The decimal point is kinda important here😅

@@little_fluffy_clouds sorry if I was wrong. Now corrected. Thank you

Can you tell me ur settings?

@@notepiz I wanna know too

@@notepiz yeah would be nice to know how much you dropped the Vcore

I'm getting in on this too plz. Deets.

yeah i'll need to know too.

yes that works for temps but you lose a lot of performance

@@welshinu It's comparable to like a 2700x operating normally. But in general for compact builds it's a good idea.

@@marcelbarlik729 if your using it for a compact build then happy days but i would have gone for a cpu more suited for a compact build i want the most i can get out of a cpu oc and uv with little to no lose in performance ( preferably a gain 😁)

My understanding is that individually tuning chips is just not practical at scale. So instead Intel picks one voltage and sets every 12900 to that, knowing that they'll function fine on it. Most chips can work below that, but not all will handle a certain voltage and working out what the lowest possible voltage is is time consuming.

I had to wipe my laptop and it installed a new BIOS that locks me out of under volting which fucking sucks because now I have to use Throttle Stop (which also won’t let me modify the voltage offset) to set my all core turbo to 3.2GHz and it’ll still reach 90c

@@anusmcgee4150 Thank the plundervolt vulnerability for that. Was nice being able to game on a passive cooled Surface Pro whilst still being able to touch it. Oh well...

@@anusmcgee4150 oh that sucks. I've been using ThrottleStop right from the start though, my laptop's BIOS is pretty basic I think laptops in general just also generally sucks for finetuning like these. I wanted to tweak my C states to further decrease temps but haven't been able to. Just my naive and limited opinion

@@re.liable Did you try using older versions of XTU that fixed the issue for me

@@kkrox Haven't yet. I was using XTU before ThrottleStop and I didn't really like it

@Ms Moon Boo beleive your doing it wrong if your losing speed undervolting....i gained 100 mhz across the board just with the pbo co

@Ms Moon Boo experience says otherwise

I have was going to say the same thing. Optimum is great at undervolting.

On intel you don't lose performance. Sometimes gain. 5000 series has stupid logic that causes the CPU to down clockspeed slightly the more you undervolt. Still worth it in some cases like sff build with a 5900x or something but frustrating compared to intel.

You lose heating power for the winter.

I remember getting a Core 2 Duo CPU that was a mobile CPU but it was still socketed so I could use it in my desktop. I put a top end Swiftech cooler on it and after applying normal desktop voltage on that CPU it allowed me to get some really insane overclocks on it. It's too bad neither Intel nor AMD sells those mobile variants to end users.

@@coach- That is a false statement. If done correctly, with undervolting you can get that same or better performance than stock while using less energy and staying cooler. It's just fine tuning to match the voltage to your CPU or GPU. It also depends on the silicon quality of your chip. Some undervolt better than others. For instance my 3090 runs stock 1950 MHz @1.075v (using around 350w) but I undervolt it to .900v @ 1950 MHz (using around 275w) Or I can overclock it to 2050 MHz @ .975v (using around 300w) all while running cooler and using less power.

YOUR A D I R T B A G. Get a life man seriously what a waste...literally the low of the LOW. Karmas a mother and you'll see ya get back all the bs you dish out....P a t h e t i c.

Undervolt 1.15V?

let me know i got the same chip building as we speak

@@Lee-gm7zi it’s gonna be a minute. I’m going to have to do the thermal paste again. I was in a bit of a hurry and I think I botched it, these temps are a bit higher than it seems like it should be.

@@justinward3218 I installed a 13700k in ASUS Z690 2 days ago, had to install a 12th gen Celeron for it to post the i7 after BIOS update. My temps are fine unless I load it up. I peg at 100c in Cinebench all core test, the i7 doesn't fail and HWmonitor says there was NO thermal or power throttling. It was pulling 5.2-5.3Ghz the whole time at 100c on P cores! LOL I watched the whole 9 minute test at 99-100c all P cores, it was terrifying, the aio fans were spinning so fast they sounded like they were going to lift off. The E cores stayed around 86c. But the P cores stayed 99-100c from like 2 seconds in until the end. The i7 scored 30051 and it didn't crash, which is almost dead on spec. I have tried numerous games and the CPU stays around 65c same as my ASUS 3080 at about 65c. So my cooler (ASUS RYUO 240) and thermal paste is doing fine. It only heats up on all core loads. I am hearing MCE might be the issue and undervolting is the way. I am still investigating but saw your post and figured two heads is better than one. LOL

@@auntiepha8343 I’m idling about 40C and hitting 70C at about 30% load in Overwatch. Nothing dangerous but higher than it should be. Since it’s not super urgent, I’m going to let it be for the moment while I wait on my thermal paste shipment from Newegg. I looked and looked but couldn’t find my backup tube. I have high hopes that reapplication will be the solution since, as I mentioned, I did the job in a rush and didn’t bother being careful torquing down the heat plate for my pump. I’m running a 360 rad Corsair AIO, and getting expected readings from it except that the fluid is significantly cooler (27-30C at idle)than the chip, again pointing to poor contact being the problem.

@@justinward3218 I think the chip just runs hot, I don't think it's your paste. Let me know how it turns out. I used Corsair TM30 once and MX-4 paste once both with the ASUS Ryuo 240 AIO, same results. My idle is in the mid to low 30's and gaming mid to high 60's. The only time my 13700k gets hot (100c) is in Cinebench. Time Spy, Firestrike and Heaven my temps are high 60's low 70's. honestly if I hadn't checked the temperature on Cinebench I wouldn't have known it was anywhere near 100c because it didn't throttle the performance even though it pegged 100c the entire test. I scored 30051 which is fine for a 13700k on Cinebench. If the cooler wasn't working right I think the chip would have throttled. It wants to be hot. I limited my Delta T to 90 degrees in BIOS. The CPU pegged 90c on cinebench and scored 29885, lower than the 100c score. I set BIOS to enforce all limits on the CPU and it still pegged 100c in cinebench and scored 29974. No throttles at 100c or 90c. My CPU is within a couple degrees of my 3080 when gaming so I am siding on the chip just being a furnace. I am interested in what you find out in your deep dive though, update here if you get a chance. Good luck Justin.