You REALLY don't need the Ricoh GR III HDF. Here's why. (No jibber jabber)

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LIGHT HUNTER D

LIGHT HUNTER D

2 ай бұрын

The Ricoh GR III/x HDF are an egregious cash grab, trying to sell 5 year old hardware at a mark up because other premium compacts are succeeding. Losing the ND filter is also bad for leaf shutters at high shutter speeds.
They deserve criticism, and not the endless praise of camera KZfaqrs. Here's how to easily add the same look in post.
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@Stickybutton
@Stickybutton Ай бұрын
Very good job. I will try this out. Thank you for doing this.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@jmcgonnell
@jmcgonnell Ай бұрын
that update makes zero sense to me. why would you choose that over an nd filter. if they released nothing at least then they wouldnt be catching flak and the demand for a gr iv would just be climbing.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Releasing it as an option on the new model would’ve been infinitely better
@danfoleybmx
@danfoleybmx Ай бұрын
I'm genuinely curious as a videographer who understands the importance of ND in video, but doesn't fully understand it's importance in photography. What would I be missing out on other than slow shutter shots in bright light? What's the issue of a leaf shutter combined with a fast shutter and how does it affect bokeh? I have a IIIx HDF on preorder and love the idea of real diffusion SOOC without having to edit anything, but I'm curious if I'm missing something with the lack of ND other than the ability to use slow shutters in bright light.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Basically, trying to crank the shutter speed on a leaf shutter camera to compensate for bright light, will distort and make your bokeh look busy/motion blurred even. Not sure of all the mechanical details, but this is specific to leaf shutter cameras. Without the ND, you would have to do this even more in bright light at wide apertures. The ND basically prevents the cranked shutter speed problem. Of course, you can always stop down too, but might be a limit on what you’re going for/capable of at any given time.
@danfoleybmx
@danfoleybmx Ай бұрын
​@@LIGHTHUNTER.D That's really interesting and something I wasn't aware of at all. Definitely a pro for the ND filter. I'm still thinking I'd personally use the HDF filter in more cases than wanting to shoot wide open in bright conditions, but that info is really useful. Thank you!
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
@@danfoleybmx no problem! Glad to help
@Raist3db
@Raist3db 24 күн бұрын
The ND filter effectively extends the range of the camera to operate wide open in bright light, to get portraits with bokeh, etc. With the Ricoh they have a great implementation that it auto-kicks in as needed making for possibilities to say shoot wide open at the limit of 1/2000 of a second. Without ND filter, the camera can't do that. I find the new filter camera option probably good for some night shots and for some "dreamy shots" in daylight but... then there's this video :-)
@joaquintrigueros
@joaquintrigueros 27 күн бұрын
I have a diffusion filter permanently on my GRIII. Although the filter holder makes it "bulky" it has done a great job of keeping dust out (which "killed" my original GR until cleaned).
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D 27 күн бұрын
Smart choice honestly
@meditationdaily1129
@meditationdaily1129 17 күн бұрын
sorry HDF stands for? does that effect has a name? i've been looking for some similar mellow effect, but didn't know it's HDF : ) thanks anyways!!
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D 17 күн бұрын
Highlight Diffusion Filter. Would be similar to simply halation/blooming highlights. Glimmer Glass and Black Pro Mist/White Mist filters also all do this when directly on the lens, but then it’s baked in. Hope that helps!
@rossmcleavy453
@rossmcleavy453 Ай бұрын
Thanks dude I am considering the Richo GR for an upcoming trip and was looking at the xHDF model I have a PS subscription and therefore already paying for this feature! this is really efficient advice. Thanks mate
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
No prob!
@WatchDSSID
@WatchDSSID Ай бұрын
You are completely missing the point - LOTS of people don’t want to buy Photoshop or spend time editing images. They want stuff “straight out of the camera” and that’s exactly what this camera is designed to do
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Creative looks possible in all models are more than enough. And you can still add diffusion in front of the lens.
@storks7780
@storks7780 Ай бұрын
Losing nd filter for extra bucks seems crazy to me. Appreciate you for keeping it real
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Appreciate you watching!
@artdizamo6257
@artdizamo6257 Ай бұрын
Great! I agree. Thank you!
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@prettiestflacko
@prettiestflacko Ай бұрын
your video got recommended to me after I watched Samuel Streetlife's video on the camera and you're totally right. BTW "No jibber jabber" = 🦍☀i knew i recognized your face bro. Subbed 👍
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
🦍☀️🦍☀️🦍☀️
@Maebbie
@Maebbie 22 күн бұрын
you can even do that in PaintNET lmao thanks for showing, you are the legend
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D 22 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching 🙏
@Publishnowthinklater
@Publishnowthinklater 26 күн бұрын
Damn I can’t believe I never knew about this! Got me to subscribe
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D 26 күн бұрын
Glad to help! Appreciate you subscribing 🙏
@brianwarnerarts
@brianwarnerarts Ай бұрын
I think it's a great work around. I've seen some lightroom presets that use a diffuse bloom and they do alright for $2. I feel that replacing the nd with hdf was a bad move... having both is ideal. once combined into an action it would work well enough for a large set of photos. Great job.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Yeah I think the ND is crucial for a leaf shutter camera’s bokeh. Not that bokeh is everything. Not sure if it’s possible to fit both, but that would be killer on a GRIV. Heck, make it a bit bigger and give the flash back + both filters.
@soups6330
@soups6330 26 күн бұрын
Dude good job, I don’t know PS but this looks easy
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D 26 күн бұрын
Thanks! Hope it helps newer people too
@codythep
@codythep Ай бұрын
My reason for buying a camera like this would be so that I don't have to photoshop my images and to get good looking filmic photos directly out of cameras. So the filter is actually a main plus for me. That said, it seems like the Gr2 would almost be a better choice. Any input in the comments here?
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
The ND is the better filter to have. You can make creative looks in camera that don’t require blooming to look good, or you can add a filter over the lens if that’s really what you want. Built in flash of the II is nice, Reflx Lab fixes that on newer models. That’s my more thought out opinion.
@globetrotter6282
@globetrotter6282 Ай бұрын
If you are the type photographer that wants to spend your time editing photos, HDF may not be for you. But for people of want to spend more time shooting than editing then the HDF might be a good option.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Expensive for that feature alone
@globetrotter6282
@globetrotter6282 Ай бұрын
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D all depends how you value your time.
@pasta.nosauce
@pasta.nosauce Ай бұрын
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D It's a $50 difference between the GRiii and the GRiii HDF, and most diffusion filters go for at least $75. The feature itself is not that expensive all in all, but at the cost of losing the built-in ND filter (which can still be purchased separately) it's definitely a trade-off
@rynesantos5944
@rynesantos5944 26 күн бұрын
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D and Photoshop is not expensive? I'd get it because I don't have a GRiii and have been wanting one for awhile.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D 26 күн бұрын
@@rynesantos5944 I hate Adobe as much (probably way more) than the next guy. But if you live in the US and want to edit, you’re probably already paying the Adobe tax.
@colinclark1788
@colinclark1788 Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
You're welcome!
@m0rrr
@m0rrr Ай бұрын
If they just would have kept the internal ND-Filter and added a filter thread to the front lens element …
@MrPinokkijo
@MrPinokkijo Ай бұрын
Nono. The HDF filter is not just a mist filter. It’s similar with the Hasselblad solution. Maybe it is reproducible with PS, but it is not just a cheap mist filter built in. Apart from this, I don’t have any opinion about the value of this upgrade. 😬
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
The other question is, does it hurt to not have the ND filter because of it? I say yes.
@TungstenOvergaard
@TungstenOvergaard Ай бұрын
Great video.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Thank you!
@JMSobrevilla
@JMSobrevilla Ай бұрын
Subbed.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Appreciate it!
@Aswinishere
@Aswinishere Ай бұрын
Ordering the 3x non HDF
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Very good choice
@jugalator
@jugalator Ай бұрын
Ah, you LOSE the ND filter! I had missed that in the news. Obviously, having a built-in ND filter with a screw on mist/diffusion filter is way more flexible. Thing is - diffusion adds a character to the shots, but having or lacking an ND filter can make or break your ability to take the shot at all. Honestly for this price hike you ought to get both.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Not sure if they can both fit, although I’d love to see them bring it back to the size of the II for the built in flash. Releasing the upgraded version with either option at the same price would’ve been infinitely better IMO.
@rafabern31
@rafabern31 Ай бұрын
Ricoh is pushing people to buy the same camera with a different filter. Period. How can you choose between ND and the NDF?? I use the ND filter often actually.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Not that it’s a bokeh monster, but not having ND can affect it at high shutter speeds too.
@templerazrael
@templerazrael Ай бұрын
I don't like editing RAW files. This is even more annoying. So I guess I need the HDF or a Black Mist filter 🤷‍♂
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Would recommend the regular version with the filter adapter. Far more versatile
@brotendo
@brotendo 12 күн бұрын
Meh, it's whatever. Some people don't wanna do stuff in post, like film simulations/recipes. Not the first time in history a piece of technology was re-released with a minor feature change. Hell, Apple did this with some iPhone models just to throw in a new color.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D 11 күн бұрын
Yeah…but this is 5 year old hardware getting a filter swap and a price increase. Pretty different.
@mrsparkle3372
@mrsparkle3372 20 күн бұрын
i never need the ND on the GR the pro mist is way more useful
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D 20 күн бұрын
Best combo is still the original with a filter added
@MarkCranerium
@MarkCranerium Ай бұрын
I bet GIMP could do this.
@Tsjwood
@Tsjwood Ай бұрын
Surprised by the critical comments (but I probably shouldn’t be - it’s the internet, after all). Anyways I’m grateful I came across this video! I love learning new ways to edit photos! I share your frustration with Ricoh. I love my GRiii but let’s hope this is the final iteration of this model.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Hey I try to keep it honest haha. I love Ricoh, but selling almost the same (potentially worse) hardware at this point for a markup deserves a lot of criticism. Glad the editing helped!
@oromoto
@oromoto Ай бұрын
Or you can just buy the camera and take the picture...
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
ND is more useful for a leaf shutter camera, but your call.
@jessehebert8082
@jessehebert8082 Ай бұрын
😂👏👏
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
🫡🫡
@Danny_Salad
@Danny_Salad Ай бұрын
Adobe tax 😆
@worldwidewayman
@worldwidewayman Ай бұрын
Many of us know you can do this stuff in post. But many don't or don't want to go to all that trouble every time. I know how to do everything you've demonstrated but I'll still be buying a new GR III HDR as soon as I can get one. Why? Because I can and I want to. Just like I can only drive one car at a time and I have three. So what? Just because it's possible to do one thing doesn't mean you have to do that thing all the time. Live a little.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Hey if you got the cash then go full send. Knowing about the easy post option might save some other people though
@yusrabrock
@yusrabrock Ай бұрын
This is a very reductive comment which misses the point of the video. Of course if you can and you want you should - we all know this. I’m personally in the market for a IIIX and this helped put it in perspective a little, particularly the point about the ND filter being removed.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
@@yusrabrock glad to help!
@thedarkslide
@thedarkslide Ай бұрын
1. I am not paid by anyone - this is my opinion. I have shot with GR cameras for about a decade now. 2. The ND filter is mostly useless on the GRIII as opposed to the GRIIIx, as the 18mm focal length at f2.8 is not really providing any meaningful subject to background separation and bokeh. In more than ten years of shooting GR cameras with the 18mm lens, I have never struggled with too fast of a shutter speed in any situation. Having available something like the built in HDF filter instead of the ND filter is not removing anything essential from the GRIII. This may be a different story on the GRIIIx with its longer 26mm focal length and its 40mm field of view. 3. Physical diffusion filters have a market. There is a demand for them, because there is a need for them. So, arguing that the HDF version of the camera is redundant because the effect can be achieved in post-processing completely ignores the fact that physical diffusion filters are fairly successful as a filter accessory by themselves. If the effect can be achieved in software, then why do people buy diffusion filters? There is a need, hence there is demand, hence there is supply. 4. Different diffusion filters have different characteristics and render differently and uniquely. Simulating this in Photoshop will not provide an accurate replacement for a good diffusion filter. 5. I understand the disappointment about a "special edition" release of a camera that is five years old when people want a new version of the camera. However, demand for the GRIII series is still higher than Ricoh's ability to match supply. There simply is no pressing business need to reduce its price - or release a successor. And that is not due to Ricoh, this is entirely the doing of the demand side of the market, the consumers. If enough people are lining up to buy the GRIII HDF at the price Ricoh is asking for, it's not a money grab because enough consumers are valuing that product at the asking price. It's as simple as that. 6. We have entered a new phase in the photographic industry. Rapid technological advancements driving more image quality are not happening anymore - and that is due to the fact that most camera types have reached their capabilities limitations. Image quality for most camera types has plateaued ten years ago or further back. 24MP in an APSC camera pretty much maxes out the usable resolution of that format without running into issues with diffraction in the most often used aperture range. Adding more pixels to small sensors (35mm format, APSC, Micro Four Thirds, anything smaller) is being eaten up by diffraction now and a deep DoF comes at the expense of image resolution due to diffraction - or you have to start focus stacking basically everything. My Canon 5DsR with its ~51MP sensor suffers from the effects of diffraction at f11 and higher. The newest 60MP 35mm format cameras are impacted by diffraction at around f7.1 to f8 already - the full sensor resolution is only available at lower apertures - at the expense of depth of field, so image details get lost to shallow focus instead. What's the point of all of that resolution then?! The new Fuji APSC 40MP sensor is a joke on consumers, there hardly is any difference in detail resolution to the older 26MP sensor using the same lenses. Consumers end up with bloated files that hold little to no additional details. Image sensors today are basically night vision devices in how sensitive they are in their capability to amplify the signal of low light without introducing massive amounts of noise. If you are facing a situation with so little available light that your image with a modern camera turns out too noisy, no hypothetical camera with better low light capabilities would have given you a better image - because a good image needs good light and clearly you didn't have good light. In other words: there is no real functional requirement to upgrade the GRIII series with a newer model, it wouldn't improve image quality or usability substantially, justifying the replacement of a well selling product with one that needs R&D and manufacturing CAPEX and OPEX investments.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
This is one long case for justifying paying more for 5 year old hardware. Entirely wrong mindset. You should be asking for more from them, or at the very least better prices on old hardware. Whatever technical limitations be damned lol
@thedarkslide
@thedarkslide Ай бұрын
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D Yep, you don't get it. That's OK. Not everyone understands how markets and product development and marketing works. ;)
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
@@thedarkslide no I understand economy, and you want to cope for austerity 😂
@kotaperkot1791
@kotaperkot1791 Ай бұрын
Let's be honest, the methods you've shown are not much close to real hdf filter and will not work properly in all situations, but yes Ricoh should add hdf as a second filter not replace nd
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Feel free to go through my instagram and tell me which are real Black Pro Mist or not 🫡
@kotaperkot1791
@kotaperkot1791 Ай бұрын
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D Probably you are using a more complex method than you've shown on KZfaq 😏
@borremoonkey
@borremoonkey Ай бұрын
​@kotaperkot1791 nice cope 😂
@tremperj
@tremperj Ай бұрын
"why do it in camera when I can do it in post" is an argument thats been made forever. Eh.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Tell me, do you edit RAW images?
@tremperj
@tremperj Ай бұрын
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D Not unless I botch my exposure on the first go around, or if its a particularly difficult dynamic range. Otherwise I have my Fuji set for the a few styles I usually like and do minimal edits on my JPG. Just a matter of where you like to spend your time, if you like editing RAW then go for it, but its not the only worthwhile direction.
@jeetts59
@jeetts59 Ай бұрын
Couldn’t agree less, you completely miss the point of Ricoh gr111. I don’t post edit to make a fake image
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
We always see in film colors, makes sense
@MrRobot24
@MrRobot24 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the honesty… sad some KZfaqrs sell their audience bad advice.
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Will always try to be real on here
@willgreig8912
@willgreig8912 Ай бұрын
Lots of work and the result is inferior to the Ricoh GR hdf
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
😂
@willgreig8912
@willgreig8912 Ай бұрын
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D you haven’t even tested the camera……
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
@@willgreig8912 you caught me. I just own the Ricoh GRIIIx, which I stated in the video. All the same hardware/software besides the HDF. Just…no way I could understand it lmfao
@vonAlec
@vonAlec Ай бұрын
Just have to pay for photo shop and edit every photo, SO EASY… just kidding not really. This really didnt make sense to me. The process you were posing as an easy alternative seems expensive (pay for PS) and time consuming
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
Ah yes, because no photographers are paying for Lightroom and Photoshop already 😂
@elijahdisenyo
@elijahdisenyo Ай бұрын
I’d get it so i don’t have edit. sooc
@LIGHTHUNTER.D
@LIGHTHUNTER.D Ай бұрын
More power to you, but that’s quite the price hike for that ability alone
@elijahdisenyo
@elijahdisenyo Ай бұрын
@@LIGHTHUNTER.D the issue i have with mist filters is the ghosting. having it built in to the lens makes it worth it for me
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