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You Should Check Out the Indie Web

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You've Got Kat

You've Got Kat

2 жыл бұрын

In this ramble video, I talk about the indie web - also known as the small web or old web - how it's better than web3, and why I think you should make a website.
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Websites/Videos mentioned in this video:
My personal site: youvegotkat.neo...
Neocities: neocities.org
The Yesterweb: yesterweb.org
The Internet Archive: archive.org
Marginalia Search: search.margina...
Web3 Is Bullshit: www.stephendie...
Line Goes Up (like you need a link to this lol): • Line Goes Up - The Pro...
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Resources:
Stock videos:
Pexbell
Music:
Shikotomoto - • Shikutomoto {Royalty F...
Tad on: / @tadon
Songs used:
The Past
Spirited Away Station
Remnants of the Festival
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Thanks again to my Patrons!
/ youvegotkat

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@ThatGamePerson
@ThatGamePerson 28 күн бұрын
You won, made a site. Love that this exists. Edit: I just realized this video is 2 years old... no idea why YT algo picked it up but I'm glad it did.
@erickbirbe8666
@erickbirbe8666 23 күн бұрын
Same here... Good video btw.
@fribiesdi
@fribiesdi 22 күн бұрын
@@erickbirbe8666 Let's make home pages!
@ANullAssault
@ANullAssault 22 күн бұрын
Same. It's good to keep this video alive more people need to see this
@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit
@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit 20 күн бұрын
Honestly always kind of wanted to make something like this at some point. Like, I already learned HTML (haven't used it in a year though). Only problem: don't have a computer (no money).
@Tyneras
@Tyneras 20 күн бұрын
Good on ya for making the site. Got a link?
@FabbrizioPlays
@FabbrizioPlays 23 күн бұрын
I think the craving for indie web/small web is part of why, every time a major social media platform has a major exodus due to mismanagement, it always seems to be *tumblr* that gets the overflow. Because for all its flaws and restrictions, tumblr feels the closest to the "old web" in terms of customization. You have tons of ways to make your page as gaudy as you want. You are not obligated to run a blog that is easy on the eyes. A lot of people see that, and feel some shadow or phantom of what the web used to be. It will never be as good as the genuine article, but it comes close. Having permission to be "cringe" is the spice of the internet. And I think the gradual shrinking of customization in public profiles, the encroachment upon our creative canvas, has normalized being afraid of our own creativity. Get in the box. GET IN THE BOX! This is cringe. That's cringe. You're too eccentric, too enthusiastic, too wild. We didn't even notice what was lost.
@WerewolfofEpicness
@WerewolfofEpicness 17 күн бұрын
yeah i noticed that and also tumblr doesn't have those weird changes apps have been making to overload you with content
@hidinginyourcloset
@hidinginyourcloset 13 күн бұрын
Tumblr can be unhinged, and it's beautiful that way. It's so fun on there.
@anacecherry
@anacecherry 11 күн бұрын
@@WerewolfofEpicness oh trust me, they're trying to. We've just been not giving a shit. Good riddance Tumblr live
@cre8tive_tv236
@cre8tive_tv236 5 күн бұрын
Fucking love you! You’ve put my soul into words❤
@ActuallyRea
@ActuallyRea 2 жыл бұрын
The indie pages have me so nostalgic for all the hours I used to put into coding and decorating all my neopets pages as a kid, it’s hard to beat the charm of blingee and pixel art
@_glint
@_glint Жыл бұрын
omigosh hi rae
@usernameisallfull
@usernameisallfull 8 ай бұрын
I was born when "indie" sites were at their high so when I was old enough to explore the internet, most of it had fizzled out... I do remember getting to occasionally explore some of the surviving ones though, they were amazing to look at.
@HTMangaka
@HTMangaka Ай бұрын
"Indie" Web? Y'mean web sites not designed by multi-million dollar companies? Uh...that's crazy that anyone would call that "Indie". What's next? "Look I bought an Indie Car!" or "I now own an Indie home!" or "This person is living their best Indie Life!" or "A couple just had an Indie Baby! How cute!". WHERE DOES IT END?!?! O_O
@tiranito2834
@tiranito2834 Ай бұрын
@@HTMangaka 100% agreed tbh... kids these days just love putting their jazzy words on anything completely disregarding the fact that it simply is illogical.
@BryanLu0
@BryanLu0 28 күн бұрын
​@@HTMangakaExcept we already have words for these... "Fixer-uper" Those vintage cars that people spend their whole life fixing Home renovation
@pinaz993
@pinaz993 Ай бұрын
If you happen to think that the sites are 'ugly', please know that a static web page doesn't have to look like it came straight from the 90s. You can make a static page look any way you want. The frameworks and libraries that are used by content creation platforms are not doing anything that you can't do yourself with a little time and know-how. There is online documentation for all of it, for free, with no personal information required.
@ChrisHilgenberg
@ChrisHilgenberg 27 күн бұрын
When I made my first web pages around 2002, the standards and the designs being offered were what made the thematic environment some people fondly remember, but now with newer specs for HTML/CSS and other competing frameworks and browsers that can support them (because BITD, IE liked to not support or do things differently which broke your code), anything is possible.
@FranKoPepez
@FranKoPepez 26 күн бұрын
True I guess. Almost all the looks of a page come from HTML and CSS.
@Archimedes.5000
@Archimedes.5000 21 күн бұрын
Well they are ugly, on purpose even The worst part about sites like that is that they are completely unresponsive (so unusable on mobile) which I think is really unnecessary even if they are supposed to look old But yeah, CSS is enough to do pretty much everything you could possibly need (and it's not like people are going to notice small amounts of JS), the sites don't look "ugly" due to it's limitations
@ww-pw6di
@ww-pw6di 19 күн бұрын
@@Archimedes.5000 Back then browsers didn't offer/support even a fraction of what they do now. Adding responsiveness is trivial nowadays with media queries and the right display mode when making the base design of your site. You can even do an offline chatgpt clone (with vision, stt, tts, rag and more) using nothing but the latest version of chrome canary while in the 00s you would've had to setup a server cluster so big both of our moms would've fainted. "Static" websites are the future again, but it'll just take a while longer until most of the website industry get's there again.
@ximenaleyvaperalta87
@ximenaleyvaperalta87 18 күн бұрын
You can even get really cool looking animations with only CSS
@Heffsta02
@Heffsta02 Жыл бұрын
I'm a web developer, and I'm absolutely obsessed with Neocities, sooo much creativity, cyberpunk, funny little quirky mini sites. I'm actually going to build my new legit portfolio page on there. I'm glad other people are loving this little weird and free corner of the internet
@mhmrules
@mhmrules 8 ай бұрын
I always thought web development was too difficult for someone as hurr durr as I am, but I gotta tell ya, that tutorial taught me a lot, and wouldn't you know it, my website works! 😂😂😂
@fribiesdi
@fribiesdi 22 күн бұрын
Do you know why is it called like that? Neocities?
@omega3fatass61
@omega3fatass61 21 күн бұрын
same dude I get stuck for hours lmao
@christopheranderson9988
@christopheranderson9988 17 күн бұрын
​@@fribiesdi Likely because back in the olden days there was a similar service called Geocities so Neocities is like a portmanteau of Neo (new) and Geocities
@amphathyst
@amphathyst 11 күн бұрын
Have you made your website yet? I want to go visit it! I'm not even a web developer but I'm also so obsessed with neocities! It's so amazing
@craftiestcraftstress
@craftiestcraftstress 13 күн бұрын
I'm 44 years old, and I used to have a Rasputina fan page in the late 90s early 2000s. I absolutely loved that website... And because of it the band actually would put me on the guest list when they came to my city. I used to make all the band members handmade crafts, they started calling me The Craftiest Craftstresss... So then I built another website based on crafting. Ahh, those were the days. Maybe after I'm done restoring my Victorian home I'll dust off my html skills. Thank you for the inspiration.
@ruadeil_zabelin
@ruadeil_zabelin 17 күн бұрын
Deep in my heart i hope that more people will start doing this again. Every time I feel like the old person yelling at a cloud when people are complaining about social media, reddit and alike. Make your own website! Set up a forum! It's great! And the look of these pages is just absolutely adorable. I love it so much
@thefacebiters
@thefacebiters 14 күн бұрын
Try google, it's crazy. They have these things called blogs, people have been doing them for decades now. Simple designs, very "independent" , we tend to call that clean and minimal, but I guess indie has lost all meaning to the point it can mean anything. I'll use it to mean corn from now on I think. Cuz, f reality.
@MOIZEZ102
@MOIZEZ102 22 күн бұрын
Im a tech guy, I work making websites for other people and im so freaking tired of the SEO sh*t and all websites trying to sell you something in some way this neocities thing is exactly what I was looking for, thanks for making this video
@dansc4899
@dansc4899 15 күн бұрын
I'm currently reading yesterbweb's about page and it resonates so much with what I've been thinking and feeling for years. It feels like new door opened, I felt so trapped in the coreweb, its mechanics and algorithms only made it more difficult to escape. I'm very happy to be reminded that there is so much more to the internet than all those social media websites. I know this video is 2 years old, but thank you.
@rachelbasten4929
@rachelbasten4929 2 жыл бұрын
You have beautifully put into words why I love these smaller sites. They're quiet, cozy. It gives me the same feeling as looking through a great-grandparent's old yearbook with sprawling signatures and personalized notes in the cover, or finding a book at a thrift store that has handwritten notes and doodles in the margins. From someone you don't know, a glimpse of something personal and lovely that couldn't have been made by anybody else. I think sites like this embody the best of what the internet is, and what it could be. Thing is, I love the internet. Most people who know me would probably say otherwise, with how I avoid most social media, but I do. I love that it makes knowledge easily and widely accessible, I love that it makes it easy to find communities, I love that it opens up the opportunities for connections across the world that otherwise wouldn't be possible! I started really diving into the small web when I stumbled upon Marginalia. Turns out it's difficult to find a site on the "new web" that's interested in delving into the chemistry of Medieval dye recipes. The very first result on Marginalia was exactly what I was looking for. I also became interested in old fanfiction archives, and to my surprise one of the archives had a link to a fan blog that was still active! I had been thinking of the old web as just fragments of abandoned sites, I was thrilled to discover that there was a small but thriving "old web" community still there! It's finding things like this that makes me excited for the future.
@heinoustentacles5719
@heinoustentacles5719 Жыл бұрын
One reason it's hard to find actually niche things on major search engines is due to "Search Engine Optimization", basically a method of ensuring your website can float to the top when people search up certain topics, who do you suppose gets the most out of Search Engine Optimization? Large, mainstream websites and corporate entities, of course.
@bruce-le-smith
@bruce-le-smith 27 күн бұрын
before the internet people used to have pen pals with paper letters or postcards. and they used to post messages in newspaper and magazine personals and wanted sections. you could get that same feel from the super niche communities in kijiji and craigslist
@fuzzylilpeach6591
@fuzzylilpeach6591 27 күн бұрын
Web dev here. I got into this space because of the creativity, but my career has been around web apps, very dynamic and functional sites. I tend to think if I'm not making an app that has some functional value proposition, it's not worth anything. This video helped me realize that was wrong reminded me partly why I got into this field. Thanks!
@thefacebiters
@thefacebiters 14 күн бұрын
Cool, so you're on codepen and other independent coding sites, as well as hosting your own website from your own server locally, and not paying for any sort of ISP, just going of public wifi right? Independent...., because you're a web dev.
@fuzzylilpeach6591
@fuzzylilpeach6591 10 күн бұрын
@@thefacebiters uh, wut? I don't know what angle you're coming at with this... I mean you could do all that if you want to invest the time to set up a raspberry pi and run a web server, but I'd prefer just paying a few bucks a month for a domain and a basic static hosting solution. I've used noip years ago for a basic portflio site but I'm not sure how you'd map that to a human friendly address. as for no isp... do you go to a library to check your email?
@tabikat
@tabikat 2 жыл бұрын
wow, as someone who was too young to be on the old internet, I'm really happy about this. this is what I think the internet should be. thanks for bringing this to my attention!
@sneezydeezymcdeluxe7015
@sneezydeezymcdeluxe7015 7 ай бұрын
The internet was infinitely better around the early to mid 2000s. I started browsing the Internet in 1999 and trust me, it was magical. It wasn't the corporate-run garbage that it's turned into in recent years. It was quirky, chaotic, and best of all, FUN.
@bruce-le-smith
@bruce-le-smith 27 күн бұрын
@@sneezydeezymcdeluxe7015 so true
@Arkansya
@Arkansya 25 күн бұрын
​@@sneezydeezymcdeluxe7015yeah 2005/2008 was Peak Internet. just enough social but without the closed monopolies and waaay fewer algos
@OddWoz
@OddWoz 22 күн бұрын
@@sneezydeezymcdeluxe7015it was indeed magical. I basically grew up on the old internet and tbh I felt much safer on the old internet as a kid than I would on the new internet by far.
@annmarieknapp
@annmarieknapp 6 күн бұрын
​@@sneezydeezymcdeluxe7015Absolute truth.
@Azazelea
@Azazelea 2 жыл бұрын
Genuinely this is one of the most inspirational videos I've seen. I'm currently in a HTML and CSS class at college and this put into words a lot of what I was feeling The last assignment in class is to do research on a topic and make a site for it, and I think doing one in the indieweb is perfect
@_WAZHA
@_WAZHA Ай бұрын
Can I see the website, I wanna see @Azazelea
@thefacebiters
@thefacebiters 14 күн бұрын
I guess you've never seen self hosted blogs. Must be a real pinnacle of education there.
@littlestbroccoli
@littlestbroccoli 14 күн бұрын
​@@thefacebitersjesus
@rodneylives
@rodneylives 2 жыл бұрын
I love that people are rediscovering the old web. More sites have vanished from the internet that exist now, and that's tragic. It's worth noting that bunches of people fell off of maintaining their website because they never got many hits. Part of reviving the indie web is assuring people that their content is good and that you've read it, and returning to sites. Using RSS and a feed reader can help with that.
@Rookiewompus
@Rookiewompus 2 жыл бұрын
That's true! But also, for me, not worrying about metrics and hits is so freeing, since they're already a big part of how I interact with the mainstream web. (Followers, subscribers, likes, etc.) No hate to people who want to get traffic on their sites, of course. But for me, focusing on providing original or fresh content is just more of the same grind. But that is very good advice for those who would find hits motivating! And I want to bring back RSS feeds!
@rodneylives
@rodneylives 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rookiewompus It's not so much that as enjoying things while we have them, and people communicating with each other, or that's how I see it at least.
@bruce-le-smith
@bruce-le-smith 27 күн бұрын
humans do like feedback, my friends and i would go back to text based Bulletin Board Systems BBS just to see replies. but i feel we're so saturated with fake replies now that it's hard to catch that same feeling online these days
@mothcatcher893
@mothcatcher893 25 күн бұрын
RSS has been huge for how I interact with the internet.
@mothcatcher893
@mothcatcher893 25 күн бұрын
Also, I agree about the hits thing. The indie web is, even if small, a community and for it to feel worthwhile you kind of have to know that at least someone is looking at what you're making. I don't think it needs to be more than a handful of people but at least feeling heard and feeling like there's actually someone out there can help.
@ouroboreas
@ouroboreas Жыл бұрын
even if neocities isn't The Perfect Answer, i think it's really cool that ordinary people (with ordinary tech literacy skills) can have a place to start building things themselves :)
@phoenixofmetal
@phoenixofmetal 25 күн бұрын
Tbh, perfection is the enemy of good enough.We can't wait around for The Perfect Answer to come along while ignoring the Good Answers we have in the here and now and expect The Perfect Answer to just appear out of thin air.
@fackasstone
@fackasstone 15 күн бұрын
And what is the perfect answer then?
@loveydovey55555
@loveydovey55555 10 күн бұрын
@@fackasstone urbit.
@isaacbigboss76
@isaacbigboss76 9 ай бұрын
I like how you showed pages that are actually beautiful by today's standard, but still adhere to the feel of the old web
@thefacebiters
@thefacebiters 14 күн бұрын
Guess you're another person who's what, never seen a blog?
@TheChronozoan
@TheChronozoan 11 күн бұрын
I don't know why the algorithm sent me your video so long after you initially posted it, but I am so incredibly happy that it did! Thank you very much, I very very much enjoyed this video
@daammmiiiaan
@daammmiiiaan 10 күн бұрын
you hit me at a point in my life where i really needed to find this. i know it sounds like overblown hyperbole, but i feel like you just changed my life. thank you for making this.
@allie3942
@allie3942 19 күн бұрын
I love this, I still have my old tumblrs where I did hybrid amalgamations of old pixel-art style static pages mixed with a functioning feed of my old tumblr reposts. And this comment is to boost your engagement, thanks for the awesome, nostalgic and inspiring video
@wygolvillage2637
@wygolvillage2637 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad I found a video on this lovely online subculture. Making my own site and finally seeing an escape from the "same 5 websites all filled with screenshots of the other 4" is so incredibly special to me.
@Ruinah
@Ruinah 25 күн бұрын
As someone who was on Prodigy back in the day, I appreciate that nod. As a kid, I loved the gaming forums talking about the newest titles and secrets, the graphical comics and online games like Mad Maze!
@battyangel
@battyangel Жыл бұрын
Oh wow this opened a memory! I remember being 12 years old and very obsessed with X-men Evolution in the early 2000s, which lead me to finding a fan forum the would ultimately be my introduction to deviantart, livejournal and ffnet. It was also my introduction to fansites using website builders like Angelfire and Geocities - I had zero experience with html but understood the general gist of how to post images (mostly my very badly drawn fancomics lol) on there and played around enough to share with the fan forum. I saw other peoples sites and use to be in awe of people who did a really good job of making their sites presentable and a whole lot less clunky than what I was doing (I remember revisiting because some sites had music embedded in the background that I use to listen to since I wasn't able to go on youtube with my dial-up internet at the time. To this day I still think of the song My Way by Limp Bizkit and several Celine Dion songs to that time period). I think I'm tempted to look into this some more - thank you for making such an awesome video :D
@Caesar_Online
@Caesar_Online 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for making this! I have been using Neocities for six years now and recently bought a domain name to make it my official homepage and space in the web! The community over there truly is the best 💛
@thefacebiters
@thefacebiters 14 күн бұрын
Def one of the oldest cults and close minded propaganda. What is surprising is people are calling a RETRO company owned CMS indie, as in independent web. The kinds of people who will tell you a whole made up history and philosophy that doesn't exist anywhere but in their echo chamber. Web3 is free, it can just be monetized like everything else on this planet. Including a neocities page. Your brains I guess would explode if you knew about OG MySpace. Just insane, in a cringe way. What the F are you guys on. Try actually learning how to host your own website and learn something. Rather than repeating in a vacuum chamber. Maybe then you'll know what the actually independent folks online are doing. Rather than just trying to be the cringiest of hipsters.
@pugjuice8462
@pugjuice8462 13 күн бұрын
​@thefacebiters 1 day ago... you replied to a 2 year old comment with this? maybe if you explained without assuming people are out to get you by making websites differently, people would listen. (for starters, that is no way near the definition of a cult. opinion doubted 1 sentence in.) have a good day lolll
@Deresta2002
@Deresta2002 10 күн бұрын
​@@pugjuice8462 I think its just a bot made for making rude comments. Theres been a lot of them in KZfaq lately, especially in KZfaq shorts
@eraneranera
@eraneranera Жыл бұрын
i've been working on learning html and css for the last few weeks to code my own website from the ground up for the first time in my life, and it has been SO fun. thank you so much for partially inspiring me to hit up neocities!! it's been an absolute blast thus far!!
@jff1073
@jff1073 2 жыл бұрын
this is a great video! i'm working on my own neocities sites bc my wife has been getting into the indie web (esp as a queer author/artist!) and it inspired me to do the same bc i haven't had a central place to put my art/thoughts/interests that has the level of customizability in YEARS. the closest i have otherwise is tumblr (which does give you a decent amount of customizability in the themes but not so much otherwise). it reminds me of being a little kid making neopets pet sites, hoping i would win the neopets site spotlight, or making freewebs websites that inevitably got abandoned before i got anywhere close to finished (as if a site can ever really be "Finished" but ykwim). also i love your site layout(s)! i might take that idea for a dream section, too! it's soo cool seeing the creative stuff everyone can make when they're not restricted to like, choosing an accent color on their twitter profile lol
@JAMIEvstheVOID
@JAMIEvstheVOID 2 жыл бұрын
Just wanna say, all of your content is bringing me an INSANE amount of joy.
@theretromillennial
@theretromillennial 28 күн бұрын
I absolutely love what neocities and other small web sites are doing. I’m in the process of learning HTML so I can make my own, along with a Gemini site. I grew up on the old web in the 90s and early 2000s and I really do miss the sense of exploration and community you could find. Also, I hear what you’re saying about marginalized groups, but I think it’s worth mentioning that when big tech AI is behind 60+% (a low estimate) of web content, it makes all of humanity a marginalized group. Things like the small web probably won’t prevail against the corporate overlords, but I would say it’s our best way forward to save what’s left of the humanity in the modern web (I.e. non-algorithm or SEO content).
@DreamFireNostalgia
@DreamFireNostalgia 25 күн бұрын
Old video i know. But im gladi found this channel. Having grown up in the 90s and 2000s i have found it shocking that almost noone i know in my age group really loves the old way of doing things. The old internet espeshaly. I dont get often to geek out about those things. Nice to see this channel and thabk you for leting us know obout the indie web. Keep doing wacha doing!
@unartur
@unartur 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video! I absolutely adore everything that the old web brings and it certainly is a beautiful safer space to do whatever the hell you love. People are passionate over there and there is so much to explore. You could stumble over the most amazing inde games, some delightful graphics, the coolest music and platforms where creative minds and intersectional identities can be who they are in a virtual space.
@perfectapple
@perfectapple 2 жыл бұрын
This video made me want to make a personal website again within like 5 minutes. The nostalgia bomb! You've really summed up what was great about that time.
@ChrisHilgenberg
@ChrisHilgenberg 27 күн бұрын
As someone not super old hat (first got connected to the web in 98, first websites around 2002), it's amazing to see so many GenZ/Alpha folx have such a nostalgia for what was just 'the web' back then and goes to show about the push back algorithmic based platforms are getting. Many of us didn't stop updating websites because of the lack of views, generally life or the free provider stopped offering services (happened to me a few times, never had a geocities unfortunately) and when you're a teen with no income, you just kind of let it happen. I'm fairly certain I still have all the assets, html, etc of one of the last sites I made, back during the very small sliver of time sprite comics were a thing on the web before web comics really took off. There was some amazing custom sprite artists that made some memorable series (usually based on existing properties like a video game) then, that probably wouldn't fly as much now with people more aware of rights and DMCA being heavily automated (for better or worse).
@professionaldaydreamer
@professionaldaydreamer 14 күн бұрын
What a great video! The algorithm sure took its sweet time before suggesting this to me even though it's exactly 100% my thing. You have no idea how happy it makes me to see younger people pick up hand coding websites again. It's so much fun and fairly easy to create a static site, and it makes the web so much more vibrant to have everyone building their own space.
@jamespierce9815
@jamespierce9815 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I’ve been needing something like this for a long time now. Ever since I found this channel last year, each video has introduced me to something new or an angle I never knew about before. I’d absolutely love to hear what else you have to say on this organized or not. Having took some college courses in web design, this looks like a place I could finally put that skill to practice. I always wanted to make a wholly personal Internet space.
@KK-moonlite
@KK-moonlite 2 жыл бұрын
This was so inspiring. I really want to carve out a little online space of my own now, all thanks to this video. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and letting us see your own webpage! It's so cute!
@thefacebiters
@thefacebiters 14 күн бұрын
Then I suggest you actually educate yourself and learn how to host your own website, rather than some crazy person trying to convince you indie web is a thing.
@gabby222themoon
@gabby222themoon 13 күн бұрын
@@thefacebitersyou’re commenting on everyone’s comments bruh you don’t even understand this is the first step for most people towards leaving the big social media sites and not everyone wants to host their own site either. You’re stuck on semantics of what indie means and missing the whole point of the movement. Calling ppl crazy for building community? You’re a weirdoooo and not in a good way. 😂
@xXLeandro12
@xXLeandro12 14 күн бұрын
It's wonderful people are trying to revive again what was the essence of the old Internet for so much people, it's really interesting the kind of indie websites you can discover and what means to them!
@nervun8097
@nervun8097 Жыл бұрын
R.i.P the yesterweb, one of the most influential websites on the fight against web3 🙏
@Rookiewompus
@Rookiewompus Жыл бұрын
Let's all just make our own webrings in their memory 💖
@Cristopherdreamer
@Cristopherdreamer 10 ай бұрын
Hot take: yesterweb was a sleeper communist movement
@kittenpuke8918
@kittenpuke8918 9 ай бұрын
You say that like it’s a bad thing : p
@Ralzone
@Ralzone 3 ай бұрын
@@Cristopherdreamer Well, not much of a hot take, some if not most commies are in the libertarian/anarchic part of the spectrum.
@OsvaldoBayerista
@OsvaldoBayerista 26 күн бұрын
@@Cristopherdreamer nice
@auzziejaymusic
@auzziejaymusic 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely video about the small personalized web! I never use KZfaq because I'm stuck in the Yesterweb- but one of your viewers mentioned it in the Yesterweb Discord and you've hit the nail on the head- love your style and LOVE your site!
@battleinabox
@battleinabox 2 жыл бұрын
I love this! I'm an internet fossil, so I remember teaching myself basic html to create websites on GeoCities and other similar sites back in the day. I'm definitely going to look into creating myself a little site on Neocities, it looks fun! I'd love to see more videos like this from you
@hexmaniacmarie5654
@hexmaniacmarie5654 2 жыл бұрын
I adored this video, thank you so much for it. I didn't know places like the old internet still existed and I'm excited to explore it.
@mynameusedtobelong
@mynameusedtobelong Жыл бұрын
I've never heard about indie web. And this is the most awesome thing that i ever heard about. To me was tragic that i never could see personal sites because I born already on web2. And i've been for year searching about without sucess. And suddenly a mistype bring to a person that hold my hand and guide to this magic world. A HAVE NO WORDS TO THANK YOU!!
@thefacebiters
@thefacebiters 14 күн бұрын
That's because it's not a thing. It's not even using English properly. The world would be retro. There is nothing independent about using a companies hosting and CMS.
@decapodAJ
@decapodAJ 2 жыл бұрын
id really like to see more videos like these :D!! any video you put out- especially on topics like these are always a pleasant watch, and i hope to support you on patreon again real soon (stinky money troubles) because i really enjoy this kind of content ^^!! i’ve been wanting to make my own personal website, but the coding is always so daunting, and my social anxiety makes it difficult to ask for help, and looking for resources for me is just suffering haha (adhd brain, will just get stuck down a unrelated rabbit hole). this video is so informative, and i really appreciate all the recourse you’ve collected to help with making personal websites. it really gives me the will to actually give making my own site another go!! great video as always ^^ keep it up, we all love them so much
@jayc7560
@jayc7560 2 жыл бұрын
I've been exploring the Yesterweb ring for the last few days! It's been a fun and somehow both nostalgic and refreshing exploration. It was inspiring, I even signed up to make a site for similar reasons to what you say in the video :)
@meikala2114
@meikala2114 26 күн бұрын
publii is an excellent static website builder
@Tyneras
@Tyneras 28 күн бұрын
Last update: March 14, 2022 right before you posted this video. This is why indie sites struggle, keeping them going is work, no forced behavior loops and interactions to make you feel you need to keep updating like facebook or twitter. Or, just, it was a prop purely for this video. One of the two.
@strawberry641
@strawberry641 Жыл бұрын
this is literally one of my most favorite videos on youtube
@BLoren
@BLoren Жыл бұрын
I loved this vid so much. Made me feel emotional. Great commentary! I'm working to learn how to code my own neocities site soon and I'm so excited. I grew up on the old internet and it has a really sacred place in my heart.
@RandallStephens397
@RandallStephens397 10 ай бұрын
neocities? Oh, I'm so on board with this.
@smishdws
@smishdws 19 күн бұрын
I've been back into running my personal website for almost a year now and oml it's so worth it. Such a comfy personal space that I get to share with people!
@SereniT03
@SereniT03 12 күн бұрын
Omgggg the pagan path page!!!! What a deep cut. God I loved all those pagan/Wiccan webrings etc. Making me remember this old music site that had different pages of long basically playlists with .wav and mp3 files you could download of the different songs. And I was obsessed with this one called the lighthearted pagan. It had all these fun and funny songs from emerald rose, brobdingnagian bards, gaia consort, and bizarre/hilarious stuff from this band called loke e. coyote, that I've never been able to find again.
@blast_processing6577
@blast_processing6577 Ай бұрын
I originally made this comment on a video about profile customization by _Randy_ _Moon,_ but I think it applies here as well: With "dumb phones" making a comeback and search engines like Wiby growing in popularity, it would be neat if people made a conscious choice to make websites with fewer features -- no cookies, no social media -- for their interests and passions. Maybe old skool forums -- no likes, no upvoting/downvoting -- can make a bit of a comeback too, at the very least their slower pace would probably be better for everyone's sanity.
@mskiptr
@mskiptr 25 күн бұрын
That's how the free software ecosystem generally feels
@bone-a-lisa
@bone-a-lisa 2 күн бұрын
I just wanted to let you know that you are the reason i decided to redo my personal website. Previously my website was a stock template resume site built soley to act as a portfolio for work. After this video and diving deep into the indie web hole, I decided to reclaim that space for myself, and I cannot tell you how good that felt. I have spent time building technology related stuff, but none has been as fun as building something that is completely and totally mine!
@KawaiiHannahArt
@KawaiiHannahArt 12 күн бұрын
It's a bit random that this popped up in my feed, but I'm so very glad it did. So much nostalgia! I really like the term the indie web and that there's still pockets of this! I know this video is two years old, but it really resonates with a lot of thoughts and feelings about the web in general that I've had recently. I'm rebuilding my website (again lol) in a static form, but trying to bring back the fun that I used to have with it, where I made things simply because I wanted to. Less noise from social media, don't need a heavy focus on SEO, just a fun space to make things again.
@sabretoo
@sabretoo 2 жыл бұрын
This is something I've been looking for my whole life. Thank you so much for sharing.
@marscoric
@marscoric 8 ай бұрын
I'm actually working on my Neocities while watching this video! It's been so positive for my mental wellbeing, I hope everyone makes a webpage!!!
@rmt3589
@rmt3589 28 күн бұрын
This is inspiring, and I'm tempted. Loved those types of websites as a kid, but never understood html. As an adult, I'm well versed in html&css, but from a graphic design and marketer aspect. Like looking into a different world. But will at least look. Planning a projext that'll be part of my dream game, a web simulator. Love the web loops, and plan on accessibility tools to encourage the creation of those.
@enchantedsleeper3799
@enchantedsleeper3799 Жыл бұрын
Loved this video - I've been nostalgically diving into web 1.0/yesterweb type content for a little while now and recently started to make my own site. I'll be hitting up the resources that you mentioned to find some cool things to add to my webpage - I have a serious lack of pixel art, banners, icons and other fun decorations right now!
@ane3sha
@ane3sha 2 жыл бұрын
this video has filled me with excitement and inspiration that i haven't felt for a long time. thank you for sharing this!!
@Dominator046
@Dominator046 21 күн бұрын
This was beautiful, and spoke to me in a way deeper than I imagined. As someone grew to love tech in the era of a smaller web. This made me feel seen, and even better, gives me some kind of hope.
@cowcannon8883
@cowcannon8883 19 сағат бұрын
This opened me up to the experience of the old web I wasn't old enough to explore. Might make one of those micro sites sounds kinda fun and might be useful some day The music is the perfect kind of hopeful melancholy. Never heard of that artist before but they are definitely underrated, just as much as this channel is. I will definitely be subscribing and going through both
@netdoll
@netdoll 2 жыл бұрын
Came here from the vid being linked on Marginalia's frontpage-- pretty good overview of the whole appeal of it I think. I have a small Neocities page and there isn't much on it yet, but I definitely mean to put more of myself out there in good time.
@allisonweatherford1319
@allisonweatherford1319 14 күн бұрын
Like a lot of other people in the comments, the algorithm dropped this in my lap way after its publishing date. I'd been courting the idea of making a personal website for a little while now--I know I'm not alone in being pretty disillusioned by the mainstream internet. It is crushingly dehumanizing--and isolating--to not only be itemized and made into a consumable by tech corporations, but also to self-censor to maintain an aura of acceptability on social media websites. I'm showing my age, but I remember being a kid and the sense of unbridled discovery that came with opening the browser. What would I find today? Interesting indie flash games, curated collections of links to verifiably fun time-wasting sites, someone's personal art portfolio (with scads of fanart thrown in)... there was no telling. And I miss that. None of that old content was concerned with monetization. The old Internet *was* for fringe groups, weirdos, queer folk and geeks. In retrospect, the web in its wild west days was also a haven for neurodivergent people. What united all these people in the forums, on their Geocities, was their human weirdness. The human desire to express your own weirdness, and find other weirdness like it! I've been pining for the rewilding of the Internet, and happening upon this video showed me that it's not just already ongoing, but that it's easier to take part in than I thought. Thanks for making this! I'm happy to comment and contribute to the engagement on this video. More people need to see this!
@SharkieTheDork
@SharkieTheDork 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this video! The websites of old were just a bit before my time and I had no idea that Neocitiws was out there! That seems super appealing to me and i am definitely going to check it out soon. :D
@chosendragonstask
@chosendragonstask 2 жыл бұрын
I went and made my own neocities page before I even finished this video- I miss the wild west feeling of the old web, thank you for helping bring it back a little bit!
@lemon.cupcake
@lemon.cupcake 22 күн бұрын
I've been thinking about just this kind of thing lately, but I didn't know there was a community going on. Thanks.
@WilliamShinal
@WilliamShinal 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you found the indie web (or Yesterweb as it were). Individualism is something that is clearly snuffed out with the Closed Net and Web 3.0. A defeatist perspective also hangs in the air, making it seem truly inevitable, but NO! Our very existence challenges the idea of being forced to use it! While Silicon Valley may have carved a space for itself, you too can do the same, be it through the space your ISP gives you or Neocities. Rule number 1 - Don't give up until you tried!
@sneezydeezymcdeluxe7015
@sneezydeezymcdeluxe7015 7 ай бұрын
Exactly. The tech giants have built their addictive, dopamine destroying, intrusive crap. It's time for the people to take the Internet back into their own hands. Bring back the old web.
@Dcat682
@Dcat682 29 күн бұрын
This is so amazing! I didn't even know it existed. It's allowing us to keep our own spaces from Web 1.0 as we're pushed into the more corporatized and AI run Web 3.0 (which is completely different from the NFT-Crypto based Web 3 discussed at the beginning of this video).
@canthea4943
@canthea4943 Ай бұрын
Thanks for this; I wanted to make a personal website a while back but no clue where to start, never knew that neocities was for that and is exactly what I was dreaming of so I’ll get on it ASAP now!
@Eudaletism
@Eudaletism 15 күн бұрын
Oh my god, somebody remembers Skytopia! I had your thumbnail image as my desktop background for a long time. That and Rinkworks were my top two favorite websites.
@Supinori
@Supinori 3 күн бұрын
This video gives such a cozy vibe, I love it
@andresdelapena1285
@andresdelapena1285 15 күн бұрын
Yeah the thing with NFT's being toted as the free internet is... how is making the internet financial-market-friendly a way of "decentralizing" it?
@Korcenton
@Korcenton 19 күн бұрын
This is such a sweet video, thank you for making it! :D I wonder about the power of the personal website ☆_☆ i think it needs more support from the places where ppl find community!
@rickstarz
@rickstarz 6 күн бұрын
DAE remember when Google used to live up to its name and display 1000s of pages of results, meaning you could really explore the Internet? It's sad remembering how things used to be up until around 2010 when Google bought KZfaq and the Internet in general started to go downhill. Sometimes it feels like it never happened, so few people talk about the 'wild west' days. So it's nice seeing videos like these which confirm it wasn't all a fever dream.
@m.s.flores
@m.s.flores 2 жыл бұрын
Felt super structured, honestly! Love supporting you on patreon but watching on KZfaq to help the view count and algorithm.
@vortetty4796
@vortetty4796 25 күн бұрын
i've slowly been working on a personal site, though with frameworks and whatnot it falls out of what most consider to be true indie web. though a few years old this video has brought back memories of working on my first site, the raw html/css/js with nothing extra and honestly i think i might go back and make a couple easter-eggs in that style just for the fun of doing it the old fun way :3
@patrickrdolan
@patrickrdolan 27 күн бұрын
This is really exciting! I'm glad I found this video and thanks for sharing!
@Rat-Fanatic
@Rat-Fanatic Жыл бұрын
This video is amazing. I always enjoy watching videos that commentate on an explorative experience, and this was right up my alley. the old web has always been an inspiring and just so cool to me, as i was a bit to young to really explore it in its prime. videos like these have been one of the biggest encouragements to get in there and finally start a bit of a dream of mine to just mess around with html, make a website just to make one, ect. thank you for sharing so many resources and passions, its such fun even just to dabble in!
@nakenmil
@nakenmil 7 күн бұрын
I think a lot about how social media should have been something taken up by some kind of public utility, like the Postal Service or a national library service. Just something to remove the profitability pressure. Sure, it would have been jankier probably, and much slower to improve, but imagine if social media was viewed like the mail or the library, just something people took for granted as a public, freely accessible, non-corporate good. I don't think things would have been WORSE, at least.
@jrthepinwitch1911
@jrthepinwitch1911 2 жыл бұрын
I am very happy making stuff on neocities. Glad to see it highlighted whenever.
@Heeroneko
@Heeroneko 14 күн бұрын
This has the same vibe as a lot of those older mmos that were mostly hangout spaces.
@grafovolaverunt
@grafovolaverunt 2 жыл бұрын
Such a good video! It's always nice to see people interested in this side of the web :)
@devbash
@devbash 2 жыл бұрын
Love this video so much. I also really like what you said about the commodification of ourselves and rejecting that idea.
@shitty_beatles
@shitty_beatles Жыл бұрын
thank you for spreading the word. I discovered this flavor of the indieweb a few years ago via page 10 of google or something.. since then I've seen an explosion of new sites, which is amazing. (shout out to Sadness who began organizing yesterweb & creating accessible resources!!) but it's still very much an "in the know" thing, probably by design. I don't think the algorithms favor this kind of topic, probably "drives down engagement". or whatever, I don't speak robot. anyway yeah, this video is so well done and inspiring, I'll be sharing it whenever I can. I think this video could be (/judging by the comments - has been) somebody's doorway to another world. so that's cool
@Wendy_de_Boer
@Wendy_de_Boer 4 күн бұрын
I've had a personal pixel doll website since the early 2000's that I'm still maintaining and paying for hosting for. There was a time that I was embarrassed about the outdated layout, but I guess it could be seen as a feature now! 😆
@RubelliteFae
@RubelliteFae 15 күн бұрын
Yo. I've lamented the passing of "Web 1" not even realizing these sites still exist. Who'd have thought there're still web rings?
@sta._rina
@sta._rina 2 жыл бұрын
this is what i needed!! i kind of dived into this with making my own spacehey profile but got bored afterwards and found the social aspects lackluster. and now after tinkering around in carrd i found it limiting. i cant wait to roll up my sleeves and make a curated website for myself now :)
@TalonSky
@TalonSky 8 күн бұрын
I'm just now finding this video, but it's amazing. I'm definitely checking out some neocities soon.
@TrizziEhgan
@TrizziEhgan 13 күн бұрын
Even if I was born in Late Gen Z, I'm pretty creative and seeing this community that makes their own personal websites, brings me joy. Although I barely know anything about HTML and CSS as of me writing this, considering most of my knowledge came from a SpaceHey profile tutorial, and that I had restricted internet access for a while, I feel like I should create one for myself. I sometimes feel like I'm a little too late to the Web Revival, because Sadness' website has been recently archived, I don't need to worry about it. Also, many social media platforms suck a lot in many aspects, and KZfaq is and will be the only major social network that I'll use often, considering the videos that I find useful and actually entertaining. And for Reddit, I don't know.
@garbcat
@garbcat 2 жыл бұрын
Omg this is such a good video. I missed web1 because i was too young for it lmao but after seeing so many Final Fantasy and Mega Man geocities pages when i was nursing my hyperfixations as a wee child I could not help but to develop a deep love for the pure personal, intimate feeling of personal webpages and especially geocities webpages. This really got me inspired and I want to try to make a neocities page (though I've been wanting to make one ever since I discovered neocities lmao) and really live out the online equivalent of just slapping a poster of whatever video game you like on the walls of your bedroom when you're fourteen. In an age of the internet where the closest modern equivalent is tumblr (which is moot since no one directly visits tumblr blogs lmao) I'm so happy to hear of this thriving indie web community
@CM-ck4nl
@CM-ck4nl 8 күн бұрын
I find myself nostalgic for an era of the internet I was never a part of, so things like this are awesome to hear about. Id love to carve out a lil corner for myself and my ppl
@rachelbasten4929
@rachelbasten4929 2 жыл бұрын
Me when I watched this a week ago: One day I'll make a site, but I don't think I'm up for it right now. *Immediately digs up old neocities account* *Makes sketches of what I'd want my hypothetical website to look like* *Looks at HTML and CSS tutorials* Yup... totally not... *Sweats as new hyperfixation looms over my shoulder*
@kaytoomuchsalt5100
@kaytoomuchsalt5100 8 күн бұрын
This is me, having just gotten recommended this video by the algorithm when I’ve been wanting to pick up coding again. 😭😭🫡🫡
@vasilisablud
@vasilisablud 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! Discovered neocities from your video and made my first site today
@OrcsBR
@OrcsBR 20 күн бұрын
AMAZING POST AND VIDEO. I Plan to translate it eventually to Brazillian Portuguese if you allow it , with proper credit of course. There is a topic on my personal note files called "The Human Internet" which is about exactly this, inspired by some post of some philosopher/technologist (Cory Doctorow maybe? I dont remember it, proper.) : Our current need of new neutral, less-monetized and less inscrutably-algorithm-governed spaces of interaction, where people now feel and see they deeply need to retreat to, so to have interaction with their real ones, their trusted ones. We went, in the past, to the big corporate owned spaces/forums, in the hope that they would enpower us to create or our own personal spaces. It didnt work out that way, and now with IA, we don't even know anymore if we're even talking to humans most of the time. The search for the human internet is the very same search for what makes us human and not simply robots receiving and being govened by input, such as IA agents.
@danmur15
@danmur15 15 күн бұрын
I was born too late to get a chance to experience how the old web was, only ever hearing about Myspace from KZfaq nostalgia videos. I've been thinking about creating and self-hosting a website for a while now, but I can't really do that reliably with my current setup. Definitely going to take a look at neocities when I get home
@oo0OAO0oo
@oo0OAO0oo 21 күн бұрын
That's such a cozy and pleasant video. A nostalgic throwback to times when the old and the new internet reached their hands. I'm almost 30 years of age and I grew up with the internet since the age of 11. I've seen so much change and I really miss the old internet. Almost everything was better back then: Google, ads, cookie banners, websites, customer service (there was a telephone number on websites that were there to actually help and assist you), and way less people were on the internet. Do the boomers and all those folks sending out and receiving fake news were waaaaay less. It was a completely different experience. I've never relied on reddit. Didn't use it. I was on many forums and it was great and not so great (mostly because of moderators, but that's not too different on reddit nowadays). But it was better to have those many options. Now, they all disappeared from Google and the majority is probably abandoned and gone. This video reminded me of the exited feeling I had back then. Thank you.
@harleylazy
@harleylazy 6 ай бұрын
Your video introduced me to Neocities, tysm!
@RyanCrossOfficial
@RyanCrossOfficial 6 күн бұрын
not sure why the algorithm took 2 years to show this to me, but i'm glad it did. I think the need for truely personal spaces (and sites) is really important now
@dyscotopia
@dyscotopia 27 күн бұрын
Even though I haven't updated them in years, this makes me happy I couldn't bear to let go of my hosting and domains of the two sites I own. Health has gotten in the way but I still have a tiny spark of passion to make something of them some day
@timothyt.82
@timothyt.82 Ай бұрын
I like coding. I remember when I made a personal website for a school project and made it look like a BIOS environment. I think I still have the HTML and CSS laying around here somewhere; maybe I'll pull it out and host my own personal website on my Linux PC.
@sexywarriorwomen
@sexywarriorwomen 16 күн бұрын
That would be cool!
@ChrisHallSaysHi
@ChrisHallSaysHi 8 күн бұрын
It took 2 years but this video finally found me and I'm glad it did!
@JamesTDG
@JamesTDG 21 күн бұрын
This video actually reminded me that this existed and I decided to finally get to work on my site. If you are familiar with 2D Will Never Die, I am trying to recycle their Zelda Game code so that I can build my website as a video game.
@lgmrszd
@lgmrszd 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great video! I hope it gets more traction, especially after latest LOVEWEB episode on a same topic
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