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Just to state the obvious, Ava is an educated articulate white woman so a crime perpetrated against her is obviously treated differently to, say, a black kid in lambeth. Not to say white women are not victims of bad policing (sarah everard) but the explanation of her positive experience is definitely not because one police force is good and the other is bad - the underlying systemic issue is related to the nature of policing as an institution, not the Met just being mean for no reason

pulled a muscle laughing in the last 3 minutes, thanks guys

Great, so we can finally start having a familly at 65 😅 Thanks conservative voters, it was all worth it.

"And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met." Martin Luther King

Wondering why this is called the pubcast but as it ended I realised it's the exact weird af conversation me and my friends have done the pub as it clears the whole room...

"Its a serious police issue" got me at the end there 😂

Ummm, what exactly was the thought process behind this thumbnail?!!🙄😂🤣

Birmingham six, Guildford four, thousands of Irish imprisoned without trial etc. Its been going on since the 1970's. british police, british media and british politicians did this.

It's the lying that infuriates, and the Tories wonder why people hate them, serial liars though they be. Millennials have been shafted by the Tories, so no surprise they are dumping them. In 1975 when I worked at a service station (Birch) on the night shift, there was a raid on the petrol station. The young chap on duty - who was of course already in shock - was taken to the police station and accused of collusion in the crime. From his account, he was physically mistreated. I've never trusted a policeman since, even though now I'm a middle-class retiree who is what they call 'socially conservative' and very law-abiding. There must be scope for financial instruments that allow you to get on the property ladder without a deposit.

In South Africa, communities often say they burn buildings to send smoke signals to the politicians who then come to address them.

I would quite like time stamps for different sections of the pubcast

My friend was pulled over by the police "for speeding". My friend said that he was conscious of the speed limit as it was close to his house, and said, respectfully that they were mistaken. "Are you trying to be clever" was the reply from the policeman. He then said "And you're not wearing your seatbelt". My friend was wearing his seatbelt, and asked what was the policeman talking about. "Well, who is the judge gonna believe : me or you" was the policeman's response, and wrote up a ticket for speeding and not wearing a seatbelt. My friend had to pay the fine.

There comes a point in many/most peoples lives when they shift from accepting police statements in good faith to realizing that everything they say is a tactical statement and cannot be trusted. It's a bleak realization, unless you are brought up that way to begin with.

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This is the content I signed up for 10/10😂

"Riot is the language of the unheard" Martin Luther King

Where does one find details for said paintballing match, asking for a friend.

Martin Luther - a riot is the voice of the unheard.

I'm from Merseyside and recently my home was broken into and my motorbike was stolen. The house was turned inside out by the thief looking for keys and money was stolen which we were saving up for our daughter. The Merseyside police were SUPER kind, very thorough and even helped us to sort out insurance claims etc (basically we left back door unlocked, the copper broke the lock for us, then called locksmith so that we could claim for the damage and loss of money). He didn't need to do that and it would probably have gotten him in trouble if he was found out. I think that some people have good experience and others have bad. London Met seems to be a very negatively represented organisation.

Smashing work improving the audio, folks. Top notch.

Damn I love your giggling asides and just banter during the show

As someone from Stafford, I can assure you we don't need to "go feral", go out on a Friday Night and you'll discover we already are...

Where’s Neil! I’m here for Neil!

i recommended this to my teacher and this is the thumbmail, he's gonna think i'm a weirdo now 🤣🤣

A good friend is nowadays a handyman, but in his time has served in the Army, driven an HGV, risen from working on the shopfloor to managing the factory, and set up and run his own business. Some years ago, he was working on a flat when the buildings manager (who he knew) came in and asked for help. He and a pair of police officers had been called to another flat whose occupant hadn't been seen for several days; there were full milk bottles outside the door, and so on. On being assured he had permission, he fetched a crowbar and jemmied the door. The old man had clearly been dead for several days, and had half-fallen out of bed, revealing a stash of £20 and £50 notes spilling out from under the mattress. A few days later, he ran into the buildings manager again. "How much money do you think was there?" "No idea. £5,000 or £10,000?" "The police report said £500." West Midlands.

It's actually quite rare for news to be this informative about socio-economic conditions

Chances are the Chelsea flower show just thought Just Stop Oil were some sort of amateur dramatics group, and not clapping at the performance would be considered rude.

Thank fuck for this podcast. Keeping me sane and letting me know there's at least a few media people out there who aren't right wing nuts. Any recs for similar content?

Millennials are anyone born between 1981 & 1996. The oldest are approaching 42 and the youngest are 27 in 2023.

When it comes to police with criminal records - the only suitable explanation is either clannishness, or far more widespread criminality than is currently known. If criminal officers are so rare, the force should have no problem with the notion of dropping any officer when they're caught in criminal acts. Either they don't want to expel 'their own' on principle, or that would discount too many officers.

Strong thumbnail game

That was funking hilarious and informative big cheers guys

I hate to state something obvious. I taught in a college that trained potential police officers. There was much damage and crime among that area of the college. My thought was that the difference between a criminal and a police officer who wants to seek out criminal behaviour is about a hair's breadth.

What are you hoping for at the sentencing? It must start with a capital letter and end with a full stop and perhaps include a subordinate clause and a comma or two.

Wow, strong finish to the pub cast 😅

Young people need to vote

That thumbnail is amazing

Riots are like a child taking a tantrum it's embarrassing in my opinion

There’s gonna be a significant change to inheritance laws to prevent that.

I think the Tories are at the end of their tether with millenials, and are just trying to punish them into voting Tory out of some kind of Stockholm Syndrome.

Sweating ramen spice or not, Ava is 🔥

Where did he come from? where did he go? Where did he come from? Politics Joe!

Splott is the other side of the city fromEly Olly but kudos for Connections to the diff.

Well, if Staffordshire police can take Lee Anderson out.

my brother found his friend had passed himself away in his room because of the smell. an office came and started insulting the deceased and blaming my brother. acab

Please stop this idea that the only issue is not being able to save for a deposit!!! This issue that compared to previous generations house prices are massively higher relative to wages. Pushing this idea that, "I can pay exorbitant rent, therefore I can afford a mortgage," just leads to the normalisation of 100% mortgages which only protects (and increases) current prices.

I have to wonder about the intersection between Tory MPs and the submissives in Ed's event. I can still recall the scandals around David Mellor from the 90s, and John Whittingdale from 2016. It must be growing up with corporal punishment at their posh schools.

Young people have always hated the Tory’s. Been the case for 50+ years No news here A bit more no news for you The same young people grow old and start voting for Tory’s Borrrring!!!

12 years sounds too short to me !

"To whom do we complain, and in what tone of voice, when serious discourse dissolves into giggles?" (Neil Postman)

These are great, can you do them more often? :D

Totally agree with you on Just Stop Oil, I was at the final and thought it was a great platform for a protest, minimal disruption, lots of people talking about it afterwards, and I totally support them, but I do always wish they had a clearer message. Also not everyone who watches rugby falls under the stereotypes you present here, some of us like sport and support anyone who will stand up to climate injustice...it's not always us or them ✌

Who told u guys about my Satumas!?nothing is sacred anymore...😝

34:00 crabs in a bucket one of my favourite images and also 2 of my favourite albums (listen to nines and vince staples)

Good that guy getting a sentence. I think the hate being spread and pushed online via social media etc is more dangerous than other more common criminal offences. The ability for online hate to affect individuals and communities, as well as it's ability to draw in idiots makes it a far more socially intrusive problem than shop lifting or disturbing the peace etc

My little bristol charity had a garden at the chelsea flower show last year. It's not just freaks babe.

Vivid news imagery at the end there 😂

am pretty sure splott warehouse is in splott and not ely

Nothing wrong with that Neil, don't ever give up on your streams.

Keir Starmer says Britain's future is outside the EU so even if Labour win the next general election next year Britain will not rejoin the EU

I want more Ava in my life.

Can we see a discussion on Labour MP's taking sex workers to the House of Commons for 'a drink' as Mr Geraint Davies did??

The Met came to Staffordshire during the Miners strike. The crime rate in Lichfield, where they were billeted went through the roof they were spending their overtime in the pubs at the weekend and causing bother. They can stay in London thanks.

We need the Snyder cut bring back the choking it was hilarious… Political kinks has to be a segment the people demand it!!! Yes that’s 3 exclamation marks because I fucking mean it.

Great podcasting as always. I didn't mind some derailing it's good fun and it suits the style. There will still be a core of young people who will be conservative because they are born in to wealth and have benefited from the current systems. The torries are very good at getting their vote out. I thnk most of the analysis coming from the left about people not getting more conservative as they get older is correct. Why would people vote for a party if they're not offereing them anything or representing their interests. What would be really interesting would be if there was any indication that it was driving younger people towards labour or if it was just making them even more disenfranchised. I saw on the social media clip you cut off the bit about Tory MPs choking themselves to get off. Probably for the best, even though it was really funny.

Holy shit, that degenerated!!

Oil has been listening to too much Rory Stewart and has picked up his habit of moving on conversation with a quick ‘very good’. (3:10) The guardian called TRIP ‘the lobby journal of centrist dads’… I didn’t know Oli had kids!

I live for how manic you all end up by the end

How about a paintball 'match' with armed podcast hosts against nonces without guns?

love podcast hate nonsense it's the politics Joe podcast

Can't beat a bit of Rage! 😊

As much as I found that hilarious 😂 I did take issue with the lack of actual substance especially on the Ely riots. And I wouldn't say that deposits are the main issue for first time buyers, it a symptom of the wider issue (wage stagnation/reduction and constant house price inflation)

So Millennials are born between 1981-1996 (27-42 years old) :)

"im familiar with ely" says the guy who didnt know how to pronounce it last time 😂

Y'all wanna explain the video preview image? x x

Yes to the RATM lyrics.

Also a very interesting video on why millennials aren't becoming right wing was done by "Beau of the 5th Column". It's called "let talk about becoming more conservative as you get older"

Hmmm, extinction rebelión need to give their people a master class in media management. They need to stop putting people that look like hippies in interviews and letting them talk about a climate genocide. Sorry to break it to them, nobody cares about a genocide untill you can put a camera Infront of a pile of bodies with Bono or Bob Geldof on hand singing a catchy tune. Get them in an interview giving clear snappy arguments about how we already throw billions at oil companies to extract a resource we have no control over the global price of and required sending Bobbo and Chazza off to a middle eastern dictatorship to maintain the dominance of a cartel. The best piece of just stop oil press I've seen was on Country File, yes the BBC on a Sunday night. They were in Scotland talking oil industry subsidies. The extinction rebelión person gave a great example of how stupid the system is. It's a windy Rainey day in nowhere ville Scotland. They stood next to a pipe line coming to shore from the oil fields. The extinction rebelión rep points out to sea and said "if shell put a wind turbine here and ran a cable out to an oil rig. They can get all the construction costs paid. On the other hand, if they built a wind turbine here and ran a cable to that village, he points to a postcard perfect seaside village. Shell or whoever built it would need to fund the project with 0 help.

I say from now on you cannot finish the podcast until your glass is empty. Thoughts?

I assure you millennials will hardly inherit a thing - the cost of care homes and social care will leech it all away first

Honest to God, most coppers do not care or are bent / crooked AF. Like line of duty, but in reverse.

ACAB.

Police are the biggest organised crime gang all over the world. If you want to find all the criminals, go to your local police station.

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DO FULL HOUR plz

Oh yeah, there's 3 Ely's in UK...

Ah, but you forgot the boomers who increasingly end up in nursing homes and to get a decent level of care (which is still indecent in the real world), have to sell their house and milk their accounts dry to pay for it, leaving bugger all in inheritance for millennials.

Nah they'll take your parents money for dementia it won't come to you

no foam on her beer. is this sexism against women drinking?

When you make an error of judgement, as a journalist, what is the outcome? When a police officer, a surgeon, a social worker, a probation officer, a prison officer, a nurse or an MP makes an error of judgement, what is the outcome?

I love PoliticsJOE but the only thing that concerns me about it is that their commentary is in fact indicative of their generation. In that they love to comment but that is as far as it goes. Action does speak louder than words and this is something lacking in British society more now than ever. Their whole generation are being put upon and the retort has been a trending meme.

Guys, you're going to have to stop, the laughter that your podcast forced out of me nearly got me caught dodging work in the office. Brilliants, don't go changing. Yours, senor crab.

I don't see how burning someone's car, or destroying their property is going to achieve positive outcomes.

You guys alright? 😂

Its impossible to bitch about Seb Payne too much. Thats a fact.

49!!! 😅

1995-1997 are generational cuspers aka boomer zoomers. Our primary school years were pretty much consistent with millennials but our secondary school years were more similar to gen Z. All the stuff that came out in like 2005-2008 that affected childhood experiences in a big way happened right as we started secondary school - smartphones, Facebook, KZfaq, Xbox Live etc. It was the era before parents and schools had any oversight over social media so tons of shitposts on Facebook, rampant cyber bullying, ridiculously toxic call of duty lobbies, etc. Lots of streamers and influencers are right in that age bracket, definitely a unique experience and perspective on technology.

Boomers are mostly not rich. Some might have a house they own as an asset, but that's for retirement.