Glad cat brother knew the job I kept a keen eye on my other cat then Blackie knocked on the door three days later

Yo... I dealt with this before... My cat took off for 3 weeks. I was ready to give up on him.... Then he showed up outta nowhere... He's been around ever since. I wonder where he was for three weeks

Cats domesticated *us*

My aunt and uncle were adopted by two kittens, separately and roughly six months apart, about fifteen years ago. Each kitten turned up at the back door one night, had a look around, decided they liked the place, and moved in.

My cat Burger came in with my dog as a storm was approaching. 14 years ago. He was a tiny little thing, about 6 weeks old. I went to let the dog in, and he came in right on her heels. Been here ever since. My dog probably said to him"these people are pushovers, just follow me". (Jan Griffiths)..@@tavdy79

Lol, that's because we never truly domesticated cats, they just decided to move in one day. Many times. 😋

My cat Burt legit moved out when I got a puppy. He didn’t even attempt to get along with her so he packed his shit and moved next door. I had to walk over to my 70 year old neighbors and tell them my son is an asshole and refuses to get along with his new sister🤦‍♂️. Thankfully they thought it was hilarious and took him lol.

😂😂😂 “overconfident moths” 😅 that’s too funny. Once in a while I bring a good sturdy flappy moth inside so mine can play with it for hours before it’s so damaged it’s no longer flinching, then she eats it. Afterward she finds a nice cozy spot and sleeps for a cpl hours. Happy times.

@@notpocky9806 I always WANTED my kitty to go get spiders for me she kept anything with wings down but when it came to spiders her attitude was "? the hells your problem? Live and let live." lol

One of my cats eats scorpions. The venom dosen't bother cats. (Jan Griffiths).@@larrymunn5279

Mouser cats are so helpful!

My cats are indoor/outdoor (I have a large cat run). They hunt in the house, mostly bugs and scorpions. Once in a while, one will catch a mouse or wood rat out in the run. I let them play with their prize, but not eat it. They get treats instead, and I dispose of their prize without them seeing me. One of my cats is the scorpion specialist. I do let eat them. She is so happy afterward. Cats do have some immunity to scorpion venom. (Jan Griffiths).

​@@douglasgriffiths3534Scorpions? Where do you live? Texas? Arizona?

I mean mice tend to stay away from cat urine I mean just a cat box itself is a deterrent and I got two

It's cruel to keep force your cat to be inside all day. If you don't live in an area where cats can go outside w/o harming the natural environment, then you don't need to own a cat.

@@LePedant Just teach the cat to walk on a leash. there's no reason to let a cat out unsupervised. Not only is it bad for the local wildlife, its dangerous for the cat. I know so many cats who've been grabbed by coyotes or ran over.

​@LePedant how do you figure this? What makes you think cats can't have a full happy life indoors? Plenty of animals, including dogs, live just fine indoors

@@1Fresh_Water Yes there is, it's for their mental health. Cats have a natural tendency to explore, so allowing them access to the outside world gives them mental stimulation and reduces stress. If live near rare animals the cat can prey on, or if you live in a city where they can get ran over. It's not responsible to get a cat.

​@@LePedantyou didn't watch the video huh? Apparently most stay within a very small area of "home".

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The importance of affordable vet services on controlling the population.

That's what Trap/Neuter/Vaccinate/Release programs, which are often low cost because they are funded by donations, are for. A small, healthy, non-breeding population will keep out ferals, and they won't be overpopulating the area.

People cry wolf when their precious baby goes missing. Well why would you put your precious baby in dangers way? So fucked up for the cat.

This gives me hope there are ethical people in the World!

I have a cat run, and my cats go out in there to watch the birds and other critters. They can't get at them at all. Everyone stays safe. (Jan Griffiths).

Yes, that was a good video as well.

That's part of the reason I have a cat run. The cats can go out in the run whenever they want. They stay safe, and so does the native wildlife. (Jan Griffiths).

Pretty damned stupid if you ask me.

He was probably interested enough in the project to volunteer.

I think it’s because he’s the main host of the whole human footprint series 😂

I wish my neighbors did the same w their cats! They are always crying outside

That's sad...

2 stories and a basement. 18 rooms and 5 closets. And it's an porous old farm house that mice love trying to colonize. Plenty of hunting for them to do.@@Dima-xu2qw

I cant imagine a life without ever feeling fresh air and sunlight on your skin

If my kid was a serial killer, would you want him locked up? Or be allowed to run free?@@malice4422

They would have a field day with field mice

@@nickirmen6671 Birds, lizards, mice. Feral cats take down a shocking amount of small animals in a month. Our first used to kill a couple or three birds a week, everything from finches to pigeons. And that was just the ones we witnessed or found the carcasses of. There's a reason in confined areas like islands, they can clear out pretty much anything they hunt.

People care But we r Allowed to have different beliefs. I keep my cat indoors But I know cats that go outside have Very active brains. Their brains r wired to see things, it is Amazing.

Or people who let their cats out don’t need to control the lives of other living beings.

As a feral cat trapper, this statement is very ignorant. 80% of the cat population lives outdoors in colonies. First there’s more cats than homes for cats. Second, many cats do not have the personality to be an indoor cat. It’s quality of life vs quantity of life. If you were to NEVER leave your home but could live longer, or go outside and experience life and have a shorter life. Which would you choose? Chances are most people/ animals choose the latter.

@@tinakaminskadickinson3328you did watch the video, right? bc cats are an invasive species and really should be treated as such. I have an indoor cat, she's healthy, happy, and has a lot of enrichment, including going outside on a leash, same as my dogs get! What she doesn't get is injured or sick the way that cats who are allowed outside unsupervised get. Not my fault you don't know how to provide safe enrichment for your cat. also tnr is only so helpful and doesn't protect native species from cat based extinction

Well cats have to spend 5-6 months inside during winter anyways so why wouldn’t you let them do what they naturally do when it’s not winter. Cats are predators no matter how cute and fluffy they may be. There’s a reason even predominately indoor cats stare out the window all the time, cuz they inherently know it’s where they should be.

It's cruel to keep force your cat to be inside all day. If you don't live in an area where cats can go outside w/o harming the natural environment, then you don't need to own a cat.

​@@LePedantno one should own a cat then, because there is nowhere where they won't effect the wildlife. Let's euthanize all cats because some people don't understand what cruel means

@@LePedantin other words, _no one_ should own a cat, since there are *no* places where a cat outdoors cannot harm local wildlife. Holding any kind of animal hostage in one’s home is cruel, pet ownership is cruelty to animals.

@@jpe1 Predators eat other animals, that's how nature works. When a predator kills another animal, they are not "harming" the local wildlife. If you don't want a pet that kills other animals, and that needs to go outside, don't get a cat. That's like getting a pet snake, then being upset you have to feed it live mice.

@@LePedant you are confused about *why* cats are harming local wildlife. The problem isn’t that cats are predators and predators eat prey, no one is arguing that; the problem is that cats don’t belong in any North or South American ecosystem, they are an invasive predator (like the Burmese Pythons in Florida are an invasive predator) and just as people leaving their pet pythons loose to wreck havoc in Florida is wrong, leaving cats loose to kill birds, small mammals, small reptiles, small fish etc etc, is wrong. The fact that some people think cats are cute or cuddly doesn’t change the harm they do, and they don’t belong in the wild in the Americas.

I agree with him.

It's not always that simple. For example, my mother adopted two 7 month old kittens from next door who had lived outdoors their whole life up until that point. She used 1/2" hardware cloth to screen in her porch after the cats shredded the regular screen, and within two weeks, they figured out how to get out with the steel hardware cloth, too. She tried for 2 years to keep them confined to the porch and inside the house without success. They're both 6 years old now and still go hunting every morning and evening. Additionally, that notion about dogs on a leash isn't right, either. I use a leash once per year with my dog when she gets her vaccinations. She's never leashed otherwise. I've never leashed any dog I've had while walking... so that concept is strange to me. Don't have a fence around the yard, either. They naturally stay in or near their yard and near their owner when walking.

@VirginiaBronson If you can't contain the animals then you shouldn't have them. It's about danger to the ecosystem and danger to the animal, euthanasia is best (even if it's sad). The fact that you don't leash your dog means you don't care about their safety or the safety and health of the animals nearby. Sorry, but that's the truth.

@@VirginiaBronson If she can't keep them inside, she shouldn't have a cat. Inability to solve that issue is a telltale sign that you don't have the proper environment for owning a cat. "Additionally", dogs should be kept on a leash and the fact that you don't keep your dog on a leash is breaking dog owner 101. I literally hate irresponsible dog owners that don't have the common decency to leash your dog and you should be shamed for it. You are not a special case, you are literally part of the problem, your opinion is not to be trusted.

Really depends on where. In Europe, they're part of the ecosystem, and just taking them away would be a bad idea. They are, however, invasive species in other parts of the world, where tbh, you shouldn't be having them at all.

@@wiwersewindemer4437 I don't know how to tell you this, they're not part of the ecosystem in Europe either. They are an invasive there and are very much responsible for the decline of native songbirds. In the UK more than half of the bird population is in extreme decline and in Scotland, their endangered Scottish Wildcat's genes are being diluted by interbreeding with domestic cats. This is making them less resistant to the cold and sometimes sterile. If you want to say they aren't invasive somewhere, you could say Africa since they are domesticated African Wildcats. It does not 'depend on where', they are NOT part of the European ecosystem, "liking them there" ≠ non-invasive. There is not an ecological role they fulfil that doesn't already exist, they are displacing native predators.

Spot on!

And keeping them inside is cruelty. Forces them into an unnatural life as our subjects and our toys. Like every other animal including humans they need sunshine, fresh grass and fresh air. And they need to be what they are not what we want them to be. I keep my girls claws trimmed dull, I supervise her outdoors and I warn the birds myself when they don’t already see her. And I let her hunt the rodents because they’re overpopulated too. And because that’s her job, to keep our home free of vermin and the diseases they carry.

@@mischeviousyou clean teach a cat walk on a leach. Going outside with your pet is healthy for both.

​@@mischeviousdon't have pet cats then. Problem solved.

​@@mischevious It's not cruelty to keep them indoors if you actually put effort into your cat care. You know what's cruel? Your cat getting eaten by a coyote or hit by a car, dying a horrible way away from their owners. Speaking from peer reviewed papers, cats are one of the less effective means of pest control and do more harm than they do helping whatever native animals you feel are overpopulated. You know what's better than a cat? An owl, snakes, foxes, hawks, falcons, racoons, and literally every other animal that depends on the population of rodents to survive - none of which are your cat. Stop projecting human concepts of freedom and cruelty onto animals when you're the one making the decision to release a non-native animal, a pet, into your local ecosystem. Keeping them inside isn't cruel if you're actually an active part of your cat's life and exercise it, do your god damn job. You watch her when she goes outside? Good, upgrade it to harness training. Keeping your cats and animals safe doesn't mean depriving them of the outdoors, but it's naïve to say they need it when there are many, many cat owners - one of which is me, who have happy and extraordinarily healthy cats who are stimulated by their lives indoors because I'm not a negligent owner. Grow up, do your damn job as a pet owner, and stop projecting your feelings onto an animal. Your cats are healthier inside and so is wildlife. There is no excuses and no data to back up the "cruelty" of keeping them inside; so get off your moral high ground and do something good for once in your life. That's such a selfish perspective. "My cat likes to feel her whiskers in the wind therefore I don't care about every single other animal who is affected by it, including other cats, because mine is a very special girl. Who cares about the economic impact, the spread of diseases, the mere presence of a cat scaring birds into not laying eggs, the amount of animals they kill, and the horrible ways she could die being outdoors!" I literally despise people like you, you're a horrible lazy cat owner who is complacent in your own poor care and ignorant of your impact.

Not all cats leave trophies. Our childhood cat killed birds but didn't bring them to the house.

mine killed birds / frogs / lizards and leave them on the porch all the time

They don't just kill rats, the large population has become a nightmare to wildlife. It is like we that have infested the world and asked domestic species to help out decimating what is left. I just wish we coudl be as compassionate about wildlife as we are with our pets.

When we had cats, we trained the on an Invisible Fence system that we had installed to keep them in our yard. We also did NOT have bird feeders or bird baths, etc… while also having cats as family members (aka pets).

Yes, domesticated cats are more of a problem in the Americas or Oceania. Though they could still cause problems anywhere if their population is too high.

@@Catlily5 I agree they are a disaster in Australia, probably also most other non-Eurasia-Africa countries

guess norway wasnt affected by the black death

@@bevs9995 It very very much was. Ødegård is a common last name. Norwegian history would be wildly different without the plague

@@SotraEngine4 what does the name odegard mean?

My cats murdered a mouse by knocking a picture frame over on it. I had leaned it against a dresser to take away later. I found it flat on the floor the next morning. On setting it back up, I found the very flat mouse.

Murder machine yes... make no mistake, a 12 lb house cat could kill an adult human if it REALLY wanted to. Those kitty claws are no joke.

Bit harsh in my opinion.

Easy answer is theyre killing things but which things are being killed, how many, how far from home etc... needs to be researched

@@scottabc72 and also they didn't just kill things to eat but just play with them which very cruel and unnecessary.

​Feral cats don't play with their prey. That is pet cat behavior. The cats probably aren't being cruel. They are unlikely to realize that prey has feelings.

@@Catlily5 Correct; "cruelty" is a higher evolutionary feature. Very few animals have been observed practicing what can be interpreted as true sadism. One classic example is Orcas tossing a seal around before eating it.

@@Catlily5 that’s because pet cats are basically just overgrown kittens. Because they are always fed they assume that your their parent so they’ll have their adult hunting characteristics but then won’t know what to do when they’ve actually caught something and will just play around with it until it dies. My cats used to do that all the time but they’ve stopped now. Now whenever they catch something they kill it quickly as possible and eat it.

If your parrot is a big one (like a macaw), he probably can take good care of himself. They can take people's fingers off. (Jan Griffiths).

Agreed! One reason Y, but not the only reason, is b/c birds (spp) are pollinators too.

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I have a large cat run which keeps the native wildlife and my cats both safe. I do not believe cats should be able to roam at large. They are a predator, but also prey. (Jan Griffiths).

I let my cats outside on a leash.

one study doesn't erase the thousands more and the fact that domestic cats have wiped over 60 species to extinction already.

No mustelids kill cats. Domestic cats are natural predators of smaller mustelids like stoats and weasels, polecats, pine martens and badgers ignore them. Medium sized raptors (I assume your talking buzzard sized?) only take kittens, hence the reason cats are kept inside until they are adult. If a cat gets hit by an irresponsible driver they might be taken by birds of prey like white tailed eagles or kites just like all road kill.

Yup exactly !! My cat is the boss !!

Cats hate that thing, imagine a bell make noise to every fucking move he does.

@@leonardoschmittalves5845 Especially when they're a hunter as ours is, though I've seen cats that are fine with it.

That's why they need to be kept indoors. We don't allow murdered to roam free, we don't allow other predators we've introduced to be areas roam free, we shouldn't let cats roam free.

@@lugedWow, even convicted murderers get to spend time outside in a fenced prison yard!

@@luged It was there to catch rodents, you need that on a ranch.

It's acceptable if you ignore the diseases they spread like feline leukemia and the fact that the mere presence of them is enough to stress birds out of nesting. Cats aren't even a very effective form of pest control on farms. House cats are just as successful as feral cats, I don't know where you got that data from, but it is incorrect.

@@Earthtail25 I'll take the diseases cats bring over the ones rodents and birds bring. There is not a lot of study on cats in relation to hunting among domestic cats, but studies in Australia among the feral cat population, show a higher success rate in open fields with less or low vegetation. So an urban environment can be more challenging. There are certain breeds of cats that tend to be better hunters, and it's been documented that cats are good rodent deterrents. Cats can also be positive to certain ecosystems in dealing with invasive species or small animals that multiply quickly. For some reason people seem to think it's ok to just abandon cats, and if people do let their pet cats out it would be helpful if they are fixed to lessen the street population.

Cat people, and people who haven’t met the right cat for them yet.

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One of these days I am going to catch that bird murdering asshole that keeps coming into my garden and make myself a fur hat.

Better fitting harness. If ours are loose on the girls they can manage to back out in a panic. We're looking for a better harness too.

Collars are dangerous for cats. They can get caught on something, and choke the cat, or break his neck. Breakaway collars are safe. Most cats though can use their back feet to flip the collar off. (Jan Griffiths).

Along with other native species

​@@lugedYepper! Like over-abundant ground squirrels being fed by the farm... We are good habitat for the desert.

@SolaceEasy and hares, and desert birds, etc. But, you know the story of the woman who ate a fly, it ends well right?

​@@lugedYour dietary and breeding choices will have a bigger impact on the planet than the cats on this small farm. AND: You are never allowed the pleasure of pets again in your life if you choose to be so high and mighty.

@@SolaceEasy sure, compared to three small farm's cats my choices through life will have a bigger impact. Compared to all the cats that love in the farm throughout it's existence I will kill far fewer birds though. Also, is not about that one farm, it's about all the cats we have at pets and allow outside. I have no problem with pretty cats, I have a problem with bad cat owners who allow them outside to wreck havoc on the native wildlife. Maybe, you should do a tiny bit of critical thinking before responding with nonsense like you did. Just a tiny bit, look at what you're saying and think.

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Cats will hunt regardless of how well they’re fed. It’s in their nature, and it’s our job to prevent that by keeping them indoors, or culling the ferals that cannot be adopted.

Many shelters cannot afford to be no kill because of how many cats they have and continue to receive, its nearly impossible to get them all adopted unfortunately. This is why it’s so important to spay and neuter.

Except what he talks about (besides how he feels about cats) is fact and nothing changes that.

@@PsiPaula4 there's a difference between opinions and facts, yes.

Maybe stop letting him outside