Chuckle? not if you were ethnically cleansed.

@@rogerhudson9732 Probably not. But we can't be serious about everything all the time.

@You're Spying yeah because Poland did some ethnical cleansing itself on the native german population...

@@robinderoos1166 Oh, ok... what exactly you are talking about? o_O

@@przyczajonyjaszczomb probably about relocation of germans from silesia and pomerania. A bit silly to bring that up if someone asked me

Can confirm. The N-W most region of Spain, called Galícia, has celtic roots and they play bagpipes in their folkloric festivities. NOBODY ever goes there and most spaniards dislikes the general concept of Galícia specifically because of the bagpipes. Go figure.

Invented by men who like to sit on thistles while wearing skirts.

Annoying AF if blared at the wrong person ?

It causes the enemy to shake and scatter

@@a.N..... like "oh my the have time and breath to play this penetrating yet beautiful music and fight and stand the cold AND are wearing skirts?? We have no chance!

Not me.

@@rudolphguarnacci197 says the guy with an italian name🤣

@@bosskanova685 You have something against Italians?

@@rudolphguarnacci197 no, I am Italian. It is just funny thinking of an Italian strapping lethal and unpredictable italian grenades to their belt.

@@bosskanova685 You could have fooled me with yiur moniker and your slur.

Actually, it's rather 900 years ago, with the division of Christian church in 1054. Or even 1,400 years ago, when Slavic tribes started to inhabit the Balkan peninsula.

@@damyr how we sure didn't start 13.7 billion years ago

@@damyr Well no we didn't come there, we were there already

@@civotamuaz5781 well that's funny, the Greeks and Romans forgot to write that down... they wrote everything else down though... must just be an oversight. I'll e-mail Tacitus and let him know.

@@Milamberinx Respectfully, you could ask Catholics about Ancient Slavs. They have documentation in their big library. And there's a book. Our library was bombed so yeah. Peace.

And prepare for a war in the comments

Yep

Am from Balkan, can confirm tendency to turn comment sections into WW7.5

It`s a BIT more complicated than that!

Lot of this is just wrong. Not sure where he got his info.

@@saccount-z3 yes he was, but what has that to do with the special circumstances in former Yugoslavia?

@@saccount-z3 yes?

@@saccount-z3 I am confused

@@saccount-z3 I was confused about your empty answer. You seem to know nothing about the topic and you just want to antagonize me, so I end this useless conversation

@@saccount-z3 You don't make yourself very likeable, mate.

here?

@@guineapig55555 "Here" being Australia.

@marino deželak And there was a very good reason he never have spoken about the war...you can guess, I presume.

@marino deželak Don’t be stupid . The Nazi loving Ustashi didn’t take to the hills and fight the Germans as they welcomed the Germans and spent most of the war committing Genocide against Serb Civilians not fighting against armed soldiers . Peter Nakitchs father was obviously with the Yugoslav Army in the Homeland under the command of General Mihailovic .Peter Nakitch is as stupid as you for not knowing what his history and heritage is .

Many of my family is the same, the communists had really drilled it in to anyone who was against them. Books from ex-partizan generals are insane to me to read, tons of guilt was involved.

Me too!

seriously, i was looking away and it shook me badly 😑

Jump scares in history videos. Future is now old man

Was listening on headphones...nearly had a heart attack!

Kaboom

Would be a better day if he updated his Kickstarter scam, which he hasn't done since December 2019.

1 million subscribers cant be wrong this channel is great!

And I curse, because I rarely have enough time in a day to watch feature length documentary and these overly long videos are making me lose interest to this channel to a point of considering unsubscribing. (I have been subscribed way since there was less than 35k subscribers.) I liked it way more when we got more frequent and shorter content. Especially I miss short rant videos. 20-30 minutes is enough for a KZfaq video.

@RavnDream Look it up, 4 years since the project started, and Lindy does not reply to it anymore, Scam is really the only word that covers it.

Congratulations on crossing the million-subscriber marker! You have given us a lot of wonderful content and considerations, and it's good to see that recognized.

Been here since 250 thousand subs, keep going you should have way more than a million.

Loyd! Please more videos like this! We need hours of you telling us all sort of stories!

During the war, my father was a young boy on the tiny, Otok Ist in the northern Adriatic. Early in the war British spotters were stationed on the island, in his house. My grandmother told a funny story of mistakenly bringing them down a bottle of vinegar from the attic thinking it was drinking wine. The British officer was so polite he drank it pretending nothing was wrong and thanked her. She only noticed her mistake when she took the glasses away. One of the British soldiers, "John" is all I know of his name, saw someone running away from a package, and discovered a "paklena masina" (fused satchel charge I'm guessing) in the tiny center of the village. He picked it up and ran with it towards the water, preventing anyone else from getting injured. He never made it and was killed by the explosion. The British spotters left soon after. They left medical supplies for the island with my grandmother, who was the island midwife. Some time after, partisans were stationed on the island and lived in a remote, hidden cave. One day a small German patrol boat landed with engine problems, and the crew came to the village looked for help. The partisans heard about this, captured the crew, took them away, and shot them. They left the Island before a larger German boat landed, and took dozens of hostages for work camp. Most families lost someone. My father's nineteen year old deaf brother was in that group. None were seen again. After the war my father's sister married an islander that survived. He wasn't on the Island when the hostages were taken. Because he could handle a small boat, and could pass for 18, he'd worked with the British and smuggled supplies from Italy to the partisans. That never made sense to me until you mentioned Otok Viz. He hadn't talked to me about his war, but I noticed he never identified himself as a partisan. When I was a young boy in Brooklyn, and lived next door to him, I always enjoyed watching him eat. He would eat half a chicken using just a pocket knife and a piece of bread, in about 90 seconds. (In hindsight I realize that pocket knife was unusually tough. I suspect you'd have no trouble cutting through a substantial hemp rope with it.) Thank you for your story. It helped me to understand that complicated time a little better.

*adjust adjust adjust* THERE! Why did you have to adjust your gold play button three times Lloyd?! Are you kidding me?! I''m jealous man.

Oh it's an absolute *WETDREAM* come true! Quarantine is getting to me....

@@PaulMab9 Quarantine? Where do you live?

@@zabunko Culturally, we all live in America right now, unfortunately.

I dont know.... a bit too much brown in this video's brown to beige ratio. JK: great video as always.

@@argh2945 Amerifat over here sadly agreeing

But why?

no better man to speak about it than Lindy

Pfft... It's easy for you. I can only be Yugoslavian (and that's with glossing over the fact that one of my grandfathers was born and raised in Italy) - and then they've smashed my country to pieces.

@@BlackQback What do you mean by "I can only be Yugoslavian"?

@@TheAce12570 it is the only true national identity of south slavs. As the name suggest. Bosnians, Serbians, Croatians ect. Are all the same people. We just divide based on political manipulation from outsiders. This is why he says all he can be is Yugoslavian, because to be proud of the current countries is to betray our brothers and serve outsiders to our people like we have for most of our history.

Would love to know your version! I to am from the old Jugoslavia.

In Communist Yugolsavia, Tito’s Vodka drinks you!

Me too #notmoreexplosions

Quinslings in Slovenia and Croatia were in it out because of ideology. Quislings in Serbia were in it out of necessity since Serbia fought 3 major wars in less than 30 years before WWII. Stop downloading oppinions, educate yourself and maybe you will be able to form your own thought.

interesting thing, 'Quisling' was the name of the leader of Norway, [Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonnsøn Quisling], during the Second World War. he had declared Norway's neutrality, yet put his country's industry into serving with the Nazi regime, despite the atrocities, thinking to protect Norway from German occupation. the reality was that Norway was off Hitler's menu only under condition of co-operation and that it was de facto under German occupation. "Military Advisors", you know, "neutral countries need to be able to defend themselves.." in october 1945, he was shot. he had collaborated willingly.

@@michelguevara151 I know about Vidkun. I don't know for other countries, but in ex Yugoslavia states we use Quisling name as a term for someone who willingly collaborate with an enemy. It's not rare to use the term in everyday politics to denounce your ideological opponents.

@@bison4202 You can make that argument for Nedić, but he was an officer of the Yugoslav army, and he knew what to expect if Germans lose the war. His role in saving Serbs from rest of teritories outside Serbia is noble, but that doesn't change the fact that he willingly collaborate with Germans. On the other hand, Ljotić was straight up fascist and, beside people of Smederevo, I doubt that anybody have to say something nice about him.

I’m a descendent of that time

:)

Ok

Cool

As long as it's history is not the same as the watch from pulp fiction;)

My grandfather held posthumous guard for king Alexander, my father marched in a parade in front of Tito, and I carried Croatia's first president Franjo Tudjman's luggage during one of his final visits to Brijuni. :) I don't have anything to show for it, though, so you win this round. :p

the k key

@@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin J and L to jump forwards and backwards. Shift , and . to speed up and down. , and . to skip a single frame forwards or backwards. F to toggle fullscreen.

I love how lloyd doesnt realize that the world is infested with braindead Gen Z who wouldnt know what a space bar is.

@@imoshyumosh3629 why gen Z? I would have thought the boomer generation would be a more likely target for that joke rather than the generation that have had a keyboard (with space-bar) on almost everything they touch

I was going to say, "never get involved in a land war in Asia"

That is his quintessential Britishness coming through.

We germans don't second that. Always go to France. :P

Pa nemrem vjerovat di ja tebe nebum nasel

I've been to France. As long as you stay at least 1 km from the nearest road and don't ski off a cliff or canoe into Pas de Soucy, it's fine!

dumb anti-French bigotry. the French have a more impressive military history than Britain.

yes, it was way more complicated than that. Im serb-romanian

Pah, you're making it sound so simplistic!

I'm Croat, I haven't even watched the video yet, but I agree with you both.

@@SIMUL4CR4 wish we were together in yugoslavia now but alas

@@lukakrstic1544 Only possible way I'd want to be a part of Yugoslavia was if it was not a communist country and if it had Bulgaria in it. Bulgaria would serve as a good balance so that we don't kill each other against.

It’s actually more complicated than that.

Mr. Numbers How?

It just is. 1:25

And you'd likely have to read up for several more hours from various wildly differing sources to get just a glimpse of how complicated it actually was... :)

@@MravacKid Right? The last time I delved into something this convoluted was when I was studying World War One. Even after a year, I only vaguely have it down.

You could break it down to "everyone was pissed off by everyone else" :P Suits WWI and the balkan :P

Me too.

It`s a BIT more complicated than that!

lol... same here

Not too bad, as far as I've seen so far. You want "fire", look up anything dealing with Macedonia/Greece.

And an hour and a half Lloyd video as well... trouble is guaranteed

balkaninsight.com/2016/10/24/belgrade-jews-oppose-rehabilitation-of-wwii-serbian-leader-10-24-2016/

@@THEAG28011966 The area under control of the German Military Administration in Serbia was initially occupied by the Germans. It was later occupied mostly by Bulgarian troops, but remained under German military authority. This territory had two successive Serbian puppet governments which were under the control of the German military authorities. Of the Jewish population of about 12,500 in Serbia, under German occupation controlled by Hungary or the Independent State of Croatia, approximately 11,000 Jews were murdered.

@@denethorr3 Serbia during WW2 had a pro-Nazi govt run by Serbian General Milan Nedic. The Serbian police and militia groups helped the Nazis round up Serbian Jews. Serbia also had the pro-Nazi Serbian Volunteer Corps (Serbisches Freiwilligenkorps). Also, some Royalist Serbian Chetniks groups decided to switch sides and supported the Nazis by fighting the communist led Partisans.

@@northernstar4811 During World War II, the territory of Serbia was occupied by the Axis Powers from 1941 to 1944. Most of the area was occupied by the Wehrmacht and was organized as separate territory under control of the German Military Administration in Serbia. This territory included central Serbia with the northern part of Kosovo (around Kosovska Mitrovica), and the Banat. This was the only area of the partitioned Kingdom of Yugoslavia in which the German occupants established a military government. Even before the Yugoslav Army surrendered, German military authorities ordered the registration of all Serbian Jews. On 30 May, 1941 the German Military Commander in Serbia, Helmuth Förster, issued the main Race Laws, which excluded Jews and Roma from public and economic life, seized their property and required them to register for forced labor. Additionally, the Germans set up the Banjica concentration camp which was run with the help of the quisling administration, under Milan Nedić, but he was given very limited powers and was unable to issue orders. The camp was used to hold anti-fascist Serbs, Jews, Roma, captured Partisans, Royal Chetniks and other opponents of Nazi Germany. By 1942, most executions occurred at the firing ranges at Jajinci, Marinkova Bara and the Jewish cemetery. However, it is refreshing to see the heirs of the Ustasa being ashamed of the crimes of their nation and even go so far as to smear others with the same accusations. ;)

@@denethorr3 "was run with the help of the quisling administration, under Milan Nedić" That`s good you agree with me that Serbia had a pro-Nazi government run by Serbian General Milan Nedic during WW2.

Yes, fair point. By communist dictatorship standards, he rule was better than most, but the bar is very low.

@@lindybeige it was really all over the place. Many great things were done all throughout the Yugoslavia, many factories rising up, city blocks being built in one go (fun fact: a district where I once lived in Split was called Split 3, and as far as I know its the last large scale building plan finished in Yugoslavia) and living standards were being forced fo stay as high as they could, with wages being kinda fair.. And yet there were still many atrocities done by Tito's "communist" regime. It really was a wild time.

@@lindybeige very true

I especially like the stories of how after yet another attempted assassination of Tito by Stalin, Tito is reported to have told Stalin that if he tried that again he, Tito, would kill him, Stalin! And he, Stalin, did try again... and he, STALIN, did die shortly after in suspicious circumstance...

@@vladomne672 I hope you guys know that's not a real story :D. Don't believe Yugoslav nostalgia groups on FB or local tabloids (getting their news from facebook).

He's got the gold play button now so he can indulge in such frivolities ;-)

Interesting 🤔

what

@@recklessroges I'll have you know that's solid interdigitation there, no frivolity at all, perfectly scholarly!

Serb started entering partisan army as it became obvious that germans were about to lose the war. Many kept their fascist herritage until 1991 when they thought they were powerfull enough to start another war. Now we see how everything comes together. Serb nation is still being governed by fascists.

@@Danfrolujo According to you, it was obvious Germans were about to lose the war in 1941. Serbs made absolute majority in partisan movement throughout the war.

@@MrBatica123 S time da je Srba duplo više od ostalih naroda Jugoslavije bilo bi čudno da nisu većina. No "apsolutna" većina, kako si naveo nije bila. Nažalost bilo je puno Hrvata u partizanima....

​@@Danfrolujo So the Serbs who where occupied and survived the crimes committed by the Axis were a minority in the partisans until the Battle of Kursk in 1943, while other peoples who were originally on the side of the Nazis made up the majority of the partisans at the beginning. Then, after the war, those fascist Serbs progressed through the Yugoslav communist system (where it was explicitly looked at who was a member of which army) in order to eventually destroy that same Yugoslavia 🤔 Damn you Serbs, you destroyed the country we fought against.

@@herzog1857 Which crimes? Serb nation has but only mounted the numbers of the WW2 victims on their side. See Jasenovac camp, according to serb sources 750.000 - 3.000.000 serbs were killed in that camp. Now any victim is one to much, but licitating the numbers in such a way is nothing but a shame. Anyway, when one seeks the real answers on history of Balkans, serb archives are the ones filled with lies and exaggerations. Even now Srbia is being ruled by a goverment which originially roots from fascistoid.and clerical corner. It is the worst part of Europe to find your self in and it will never change.

it can even be argued that they were worse then the nazis due to them having exclusively children death camps

I believe it was Pavelić himself who said that the best Croatians are Muslims.

We can see a chain of mutations. From nationalistic revolutionary terorists to fascist like party. And after that result of nazi enfluense.

How about you link in the "accounts you've read of Ustasa 'atrocities'" to back up your claim? Show us all your references, or keep your mouth shut... 16:14 TELL ME WHY the Ustasa (would have) committed "Crimes of RETRIBUTION"?

@@RobFiles slightly like saying show me details of German atrocities or keep your mouth shut

No one, not even we that live here can understand. But i can tell you how it feels: It is like constantly being between hammer and anvil. For centuries.

Can't give form to something that is formless.

Very similar to the middle east imo. Good job UK and US.

@joanne chon Kept the lid down? They were the main destabilizing force in the Balkans!

@@hebl47 Well...they certainly gave another layer of fuck-uppedness. :D :D :D

Man does not own a comb - we wouldn't know him if he did...

I just wokee up its 5 pm lol

Actually it is more coplicated.

I do I do

@@jonathonjubb6626 British officer's uniform [X] Suit of armor [X] Cupboard full of weapons [X] Toiletries kit [ ]

Austria, Turkey, what's the difference?

@@carlosandleon one is Christian and just wants their land the other wants the land and churches

@@Emperor_of_all_Badgers it was a joke

@@carlosandleon I know

He did say some things that weren't accurate tbh.

​@@dejankojic4293 ,,its complicated brate,, but he does not explain why, for anyone reading the chaos comes from lack of structure and hierarchy in all the armies except the German and Italian, but even they made face to face quick and cheap deals since there was no real front line and it was guerilla warfare. there is a HUGE difference depending on the occupier of the territory, warfare in occupied Serbia and NDH its not the same and mainly that's where the confusion comes from, yes the Germans were killing 1 for 100 in Serbia and there was constant raids and innocent people were getting killed for nothing, but the Ustase where committing genocide and ethnic cleansing on the Germans level, so lots of units came up just to protect their homes, villages or counties, they where chetniks or partisans mainly in name, so weird alliances came depending on the situation, revenge killings where a thing so everyone tried to keep it calm where there were equal armies, but the unprotected places where free for all, but basically the chetniks where more village based and cared of protecting themselves the most so they allied with whoever can help them in those situations, the Italians wanted to make the ustase look incompetent so they helped the chetniks and partisans and fought against them whenever they liked,the help was mostly letting them enter their territories when running away from the ustasa and acting like Switzerland there, the ustase had an idea to accomplish, but they were not strong enough so it was genocide where they can and deals with protected territories, with the ,,chetniks,, that is cause the partisans didn't want to ally themselves with fascists and nazis and had a more clear command so they fought more and more people joined them so in the end they had huge free territories, they would ally themselves with the ,,chetniks,, but it was depending on the situation and mostly their leader. The Germans, they just wanted a clear field so they were in kill all who oppose us mode. In Serbia the situation was different, except ethnic cleansing in Kosovo there were no bigger things happening there, the Chetniks had more of a clear command and were more organized, they allied with the partisans there a lot more, and fights were rare since they tried to go there separate way, , until 43 when because of the chetnik stagnation and the partisans who fought the occupiers more and started getting more and more support, the chetniks allied themselves with the Germans and tried to destroy them and their sympathizers,,. The Nedic, Ljotic and Pecinjac chetniks (not under the command of the chetniks we all think of now-Draza, and allied with the Germans from the start) were doing the germans bidding and ruined the chetniks reputation , but it didnt help in 43 when the Draza chetniks continued. But even here it depends on the leaders/cpt/warlords, by the end of the war many chetniks join the partisans and even more when the king asked them to stop fighting and join them, the main branch disregards the orders and continues the fight, tries to escape and dies of in the end. The albanians/balisti where anti yugoslavian so they allied themselves with the germans and italians(even tho they occupied their lands) but there where also some albanian partisans who fought against them , the bosnians didnt have it like the serbs or jews in NDH(since the ustase thought the bosnians were the most pure croats) so them mainly joined the ustase or germans or the partisans, they both have a special status since they are muslim and where mainly pro Ottoman empire/kalifat in that time.In slovenia the fights were not big but they also had a strong resistance, since hitler didnt like them also they were not used like the croats to dismember yugoslavia, when the war started the croats and their front deserted while the serbian and slovenian front held quite good, the macedonian front was terrible but its leader was General Nedic the later leader of the puppet state. who knows how the war would of went if there was no betrayal , poland held up good , but then again attacked from all sides so little hope.Its a different story why but they had there differences, their ideals, the means the time and the place to fight so they did add survive or die to that and you have ww2 in yugoslavia, the minority extreme reactionist groups like always took over the passive majority, i would just like to add that the difference between a Serb and Bulgarian or Serb or Slovene, im not going to even mention Serbs and Croats,Bosnians or Macedonians is a lot smaller then for example Sicilian and Napolitan.

I hate to watch Foreign videos on this subject, Especially british. They promised support to a lot of countries and then did nothing. The "Ultimatum" Yugoslavia got was not great but it ensured that if we were to accept nazi army pasing thru and enstablising a "Pro Fashist" goverment, the people (civilians mostly) would have passed better ( i'm not saying anything good abou the nazi's but it could have been better than " 150 civila za 1 njemca". We were prommised a lot by british but as ussual when the time came to fufill the promises they changed the opinion and did nothing (not only yugo, even better point is the tale of middle east and T.E. Lawrence. False promises that were never fulfiled

@@milanceydfvb4743 >when the war started the croats and their front deserted while the serbian and slovenian front held quite good What? What will be Croatia (and Slovenia and parts of B&H) flipped Nazi because it was the front/massive buffer making up essentially the entire border of the slav parts of the balkans with the axis forces and the resistance of the balkans in general flopped within days since the axis was at a massive advantage in the territory unlike the fall of Yugoslavia where the difference in forces was mostly in access of resources and weapons. And well, the better treatment under Austrian Empire and Austro-Hungary might have had some stuff to do with it, but mostly it was a militarily sane self perseverance option.

@@ANDELE3025 ANDELE3025 the tactic was let the tanks pass and fight the infantry, which makes the picture look alot diferent then it was, many cities that were officialy ocupied where just entered by few tanks and destroyed later, the tactic waa good and it was the oposite of what the soviets did but there was a lot of betrayal, the croats refused to fight and even captured there fellow soldiers who wanted to, many of the officers were later NDH officers , they hailed the nazis al liberators , there were lots of officers like Vladimir Kren who made the bombing what it was a battle like it was. That the banovina of croatia teritories held much of the front does not mean that there were mostly croats there and no the croats did not have a better treatment under austo hungary thats a joke ... New age propaganda like saying the croats were in ocupation and it was terible under the comunist yugoslavia, the country and king was liked and reapected by the masses a liberator and uniter , but politicly he was disliked by everyone and everyone was disapointed, they all had their own vission of how things gonna run in the new state and their status, it didint help when he like all of the other buffer states with the comunist became a dictator.

@@DrPsych0piromanfor churchill jugoslavia was probably just a pawn in a game to protect the british king.

Well, in the Balkan we sure as hell know about it. It's a frequent topic in pre-election times. ;)

Similar to me. My parents are from Lika. Moms side was cetniks (we are cousins of Djuic) and fathers side partizans whose best friends were 2 croats.

i m from West Herzegovina, one uncle was Partisan spy, otherone Ustashe... weird times indeed..!

It`s a BIT more complicated than that!

My great grandfathers did the same... xD

This is objectively correct.

So, what you're saying is that actually it was a bit more complicated than that?

@@lindybeige Yes, except they're providing the information instead of just saying that it's a bit more complicated than that. One of the things that justifies having a comment section in the first place.

My grandfather was a partisan tank commander. He was first conscripted into Italian army and stationed in Southern Italy and northern Africa, after Italian capitulation he was trained by the English and became a member of 1. tank brigade of Prekomorske brigade NOVJ (there were five oversea brigades). His brigade was transported from southern Italy to island of Vis and next to mainland Yugoslavia, they participated in liberation of Trst (Trieste). He then visited his own village with his tank.

@@lindybeige of course, even the Chetniks used tanks in early 1941, mostly french Renaulr R35 and Somua S40 tanks captured by the Germans in France.

Thank you!

@@lindybeige Same here! I've been watching you for years. Congratulations!

zar nije bolje grob nego rob?

Who organized the protests? Aaaah yes the British secret service. One of the now popular “colored” revolutions.

My mother told me that story. Wow, reading that phrase takes me hack. She told me how excited people were to fight Hitler, and then they were immediately crushed. She was just finishing law school, but never got to pass the bar because Hitler rolled in and shut everything down.

I'd bet whoever owned whatever factory made the stupid things was related to somebody important. Same story as the Air Force's magical $650 screwdrivers.

Is there anywhere I can try to contact Italian ww2 veterans that served in occupied Yugoslavia 1941-43? I am doing a research project on eyewitness testimonies of ww2 in Yugoslavia. There might still be one or 2 veterans born around 1923-1925 still alive.

There's a book by a Matteo Cornelius Sullivan, "Interviste agli ultimi reduci della seconda guerra mondiale". You might find a few names there.

@@lucacolombo7603 Thanks, I might try to contact the author directly.

@@amir_hetsroni_fan_club3798 excellent, please let me know if you happen to hear from him

I'm French. I wish some one had told me before I went back..

I thought it was, "Never get involved in a land war in Asia."

@@michelguevara151 your name doesn't sound french..

as a Fenchman, I agree, on both counts :-)

He’s British. Not sure if you knew.

:)))) actually, it was the Chetnik "evil collaborators" that rescued the Forgotten 500

All fair points, some of which I think I did touch on. When talking unscripted for this long, it always happens that I miss out things that I meant to say. For example, the Cetniks were the first people to liberate a European city, and they achieved this quite early on. Yes, the story is told from the British POV, but I think I make my reasons clear. It is one way to give the story some narrative and coherence. Trying to tell the story from the point of view of all the competing factions would be beyond me.

@@lindybeige this would be beyond everyone, because thing where a bit more complicated it seems ;)

@@lindybeige Thank you for your reply. Your style of unscripted narration is precisely why many of us enjoy this channel so much. It shows genuine interest in the subject matter and it feels much more like a conversation and casual food for thought instead of a spoonfeeding of information. Any unplanned omissions are also as understandable as they would be in an actual conversation when you have to think on your feet. The contents of this particular video unfortunately still play a big and nasty role in the politics and social divisions of the countries of former Yugoslavia and it takes a well adjusted mind to even attempt to make a video on it of such lenght. Surprisingly it apparently hasn't led to a war of words which normaly results in the comments section from people residing in this still smoldering powder keg of Europe. And while I'm on the subject I might mention something else as well. Whenever I'm watching your or someone elses videos and I come across something I do not agree with, I am reminded of a video you did some time ago in which you had what I belive were some newspapers with crossed out articles and challenge myself to simply listen to what is being said and try to think about how it impacts my view on the subject. So you do leave a lasting impression on your audience. Perhaps things would be different here if more of my Balkan brothers and sisters took the same advice more often.

well said Klemen, thank you.

@@lindybeige Četniks "liberated" first European city (Loznica) for a week or two. Also, just after that they collaborated with Tito's serbian partisans in the bigger revolt that liberated most of the west Serbia where they constituted "Užička republika" or Republic of Užice. Germans crushed the rebellion soon after, established notorious "100 for 1" rule where they randomly picked and executed 100 people for one killed German and 50 for one wounded (most notoriously being Kragujevac massacre). After that, partisans fled to hills of Bosnia, četniks made deal with Serbian provisional occupation government (Nedić) to maintain peace in Serbia, and continued their operations in italian occupied territories, trying to save Serbians from being exterminated by NDH supported forces.

Allegedly.

Lloy is the only bloger I know who can make sponsor ads entertaining w

I fell off my seat.

You want a wake-up? a9thf92vfio?t=4062 That'll wake you up. No shark attack, I promise you.

@@Sableagle i'm left wondering what this means...

Jeez I nearly shat myself.

ahhhh bugger spoiler

No one expects the {Spanish Inquisition} communist dictatorship, (to suck quite as bad as it do.)

That was one spicy meatball!

In all honesty, I don't think you should have a KZfaq enabled device in the same room where you are doing brain surgery, delicate or otherwise.

@@SilverMe2004 im ok with it. i mean, they probably need it for tutorials, etc.

Patient, waking up: “why are all my dreams about WW2 Yugoslavia?”

that temporal loobe will keep :-)

Yes, by the time I was getting to the end, I was going hoarse and needed to wind things up. You are right that Tito's Jugoslavia was not fully under the thumb of the CCCP. By the standards of communist dictators, he was a good one, but it is a very low bar.

@@lindybeige After 1948, there was a complete divide between CCCP and YU. Even in 1980s, when the relations mellowed, Soviet Union wouldn't recognise Yugoslavia as a communist country. I remember I had to buy stamps for "capitalist countries" to send some postcards from Moscow to Yugoslavia and it turned into something of a scene. I tried to explain that Yugoslavia IS a communist country, but the clerk at post office was adamant - "Nyet! Kapitalyst! Says so in the book!"

Thats a weird name. Two surnames. Son of Roy and Son of Lean. Fitzroy Maclean. Norman and Gaelic.

Churchill was a total reactionary, who would've maneuvered to re-instate the monarchy. Look at what happened to Greece. Tito did exactly the right thing.

@@billwebster5136 Exactly!

It`s a BIT more complicated than that!

Iskreno kul je što ga uopšte zanima ova tema, većina zapadnjaka bude u fazonu “ohh the Balkans are so messy loool yeah I love history so much!!1”. Svaka čast za entuzijazam, ako ništa drugo, pogotovo jer mu je kanal stvarno kvalitetan.

O da, svaka mu cast! Oduvijek je imao siroki raspon tema, ali me s ovime bas ugodno iznenadio, pogotovo s obziorm na to da nas kraj nije bio dio glavnog teatra. Jebemu, uvijek mi dodje zao kad vidim koliko danas ima interesa na internetu za povijest, a nitko da se primi Balkana :D. Ima prica da se useres(pardon my french). A valjda smo komplicirani :D.

@@MrSmileyZ Hey, look who's here! Good to meet you, my Serbian friend xD

@@enderman_666 ​ Lindybeige je genijalan, gledam ga već par godina. Jako mi je drago da ga interesiraju ove teme i da ne prilazi s predrasudama temi kao što naši učitelji i profesori rade. Knjige iz povijesti su nam u osnovnoj i srednoj školi mijenjale opise cijelo vrijeme (ovisno o tome koja je stranka bila na vrhu vlade). Tako da mi je jako lijepo vidjet na internetu ljude koji gledaju sa neutralnog stajališta našu povijest.

"no dictatorship can be without a couple of massacres, so there's that as well." Fixed this for you ;)

@@Seelenschmiede A fair fix on your part! Still, to further the point a little bit, taking the past of this region into account, Tito was actually an improvement in many ways. I can't help it but have a feeling that Lindy took personal offense in Tito's decision to turn his back to the Brits, which is why I tried to emphasize that he eventually "turned his back" to the other side as well. He was even one of the initiators of the Non-Aligned Movement. Oh, it truly was a lot more complicated than that lol. So much more to say and clarify. One gruesome example of the complexity would be that, DURING THE GOD DAMN WAR, both Chetniks and Partisans sometimes massacred civilians OF THEIR OWN COUNTRY for various reasons (main reason being those civilians helping the other group in some way, making them traitors in the eyes of the other group), which is pretty insane if you ask me. Which basically sparked a discussion TO THIS DAY of "who was good and who was bad" among the common folk, meaning WHO KILLED LESS CIVILIANS. Crazy stuff let me tell you. War's god damn ugly, and that seems especially true for our region. Partly why people still like Tito. He somewhat reconciled the unreconcilable, at least for a little while.

I think every discussion on the Balkans can be replied to with '..was a bit more complicated than that'

@@besterich277 it easy to talk with glances of todays view but again it Westerners and others cant get a knowlage of Balkan history and decisions because they never experienced those levels of brutality in wars.

90's are not that complicated at all. Serb nationalism was the driving force and cause of the events.

Romania did the same thing, courting the USSR while refusing to become a part of the soviet union.

very autonomous and disloyal generals as well as the incompetence of mihaliovic that just waits around and enforces status quo being unflexible and collabarating more with the nazis then with the brits really just made him look like a fool. his generals would either cleanse bosniak villages or protect serbs under attack from ustasha or ss thugs. though the partisans were really the only ones protecting every people group and giving second chances to anyone that would defect as well as being a yugoslav force not a serb one

@@vladomne672 o o o

@some boby Veruj mi nemam pojma, nije voleo da priča o ratu, i ovo malo što smo saznali saznali smo uglavnom kad je, pod stare dane, morao da pije pivo kako bi izbacio kamen iz bubrega. Imam negde njegovu spomenicu, možda tamo piše.

Šubara

which page is it on? or are you referring to the front cover one?

McClean who a biography of Tito with lots of photos. When McClean told Churchill about Tito's communism Churchill is supposed to have replied 'you're not going to live there after the war'. Tito did actually let the McClean family buy a house in Kortula.

@@rogerhudson9732 - artillery Clinton said something similar.

@@gitfoad8032 to who?

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