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Zack Snyder's Justice League is an IMPROVEMENT

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@thesuperframe
@thesuperframe 3 жыл бұрын
A fair look at Snyder's Justice League, wanted to give it a bit to digest the movie instead of immediately putting up a video, let me know what you guys thought of the movie, too long ? excited to hear your thoughts
@David-pk1fb
@David-pk1fb 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like you didn't like the movie, but also didn't want to get a lot of dislikes
@StareachValcin
@StareachValcin 3 жыл бұрын
SUPER FRAME, I do agree with your assessment that Zack Snyder doesn't understand Batman and especially Superman.
@thesuperframe
@thesuperframe 3 жыл бұрын
@@David-pk1fb I did like the movie. I explicitly state what I liked about the movie but being a fan of something doesn’t mean being in an echo chamber of blind praise, it has its problems sure but the things that usually annoy me about Snyder’s movies works here because of the nature of the story he’s telling, despite the excessive runtime it’s still his best movie he’s made
@ryantheanimator1156
@ryantheanimator1156 3 жыл бұрын
@@David-pk1fb He gave a fair criticism while still liking the movie for what it is.
@David-pk1fb
@David-pk1fb 3 жыл бұрын
@@thesuperframe you talk about being an echo chamber, yet you use the same criticisms as other KZfaqrs like Cosmonaut, ie "Snyder doesn't understand these characters, and etc"
@milkiassamuel780
@milkiassamuel780 3 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day, whether you liked it, hated it, found it mediocre, or just didn't care, there is one thing that we will always agree on... its just good to know that with everything he tragically went through (though its not my place to say) *Zack Synder's vision was able to come to life, he finally got to tell his story*
@teo-pc8yx
@teo-pc8yx 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly not all of his story but I hope he moves on and never works with Wb again after all the shit they did
@shikisora1961
@shikisora1961 3 жыл бұрын
Man Of Steel is about Fathers Batman Vs Superman is about Mothers Justice League is about kids making their parents proud
@rftg1793
@rftg1793 3 жыл бұрын
wow that makes sense
@itsmeagain_gerome3652
@itsmeagain_gerome3652 2 жыл бұрын
Agree. 👍
@batdetectivetheknight4563
@batdetectivetheknight4563 2 жыл бұрын
Dam
@CrazyClown4_25
@CrazyClown4_25 Жыл бұрын
Damn that’s deep, for me the 3 films were birth, death and finally rebirth
@Waaagh40KRed
@Waaagh40KRed 2 жыл бұрын
Zack Snyder: "'My superhero would never do that.' Then you're living in a f*cking dream world!" I see Snyder's a fan of Manchester Black.
@jba2048
@jba2048 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was a significantly better movie and I wish the studio didn’t kill this because I would be very interested in seeing where he goes with the Apokolips War he’s hinting to.
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 3 жыл бұрын
i personally loved zack snyders justice league it was really great and ten times better then the 2017 version of justice league which I approved and honestly while it isn't perfect far from it no movie is it's a far better justice league movie and does do these characters justice at least in my opinion.
@NoConsistency
@NoConsistency 3 жыл бұрын
Super Frame never disappoints.
@urilaf8598
@urilaf8598 3 жыл бұрын
It’s better but still a 7/10 but making that giant shit turd into 7 is a achievement .... a goddamn miracle
@mainstreetsaint36
@mainstreetsaint36 3 жыл бұрын
The studio went in reverse; they took a miracle movie and turned it into a burning turd. The principal photography for Snyder's JL was all filmed around 2016. A 3 1/2 rough cut edited down from a 5 hour assembly version. The film was picture locked. The reshoots, and final TC VFX, were done in 2017. Any new photophraphy (additional footage not reshoots) were a few months before the film debuted in March.
@urilaf8598
@urilaf8598 3 жыл бұрын
@@mainstreetsaint36 it’s still a vastly more entertaining movie then the theatrical version which is completely unwatchable
@sarfootball
@sarfootball 3 жыл бұрын
It's not snyder's fault for making superman cynical It's David goyer's fault who was so carried away by Batman that he didn't understand the character of superman in fact it was Chris terrio writing who get the character of superman at some point because writers are important for making the character very well like Christopher Markus and Stephen Mcfeely get the character of Captain America very well and how it is portrayed very good on screen 👏👍😉
@CrazyClown4_25
@CrazyClown4_25 Жыл бұрын
If someone else who understood Superman as a character, Man of Steel would’ve hit dick donner Superman levels
@alexwallar8608
@alexwallar8608 6 ай бұрын
Snyder could've opposed Goyer
@myself2noone
@myself2noone 3 жыл бұрын
11:05 " Good. Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us into something better. And on my soul, I swear that until my dream of a world where dignity, honor and justice are the reality we all share, I'll never stop fighting. Ever." -Superman
@Romezguide
@Romezguide 3 жыл бұрын
You nailed Zac’s view points right on the dot and you kept it real, great video man
@brunnoveloso2197
@brunnoveloso2197 2 жыл бұрын
"You are living in a f***ing dream world" Manchester Black said exactly the same thing
@DinoDave150
@DinoDave150 3 жыл бұрын
I have a question for anyone who'll answer, but does the Snyder Cut even *try* to explain how Clark Kent came back to life and is able to walk the streets with no one batting an eye when he was listed as one of the casualties of Doomsday's rampage?
@AztecUnshaven
@AztecUnshaven 3 жыл бұрын
that would be explored in JL PT2.
@DinoDave150
@DinoDave150 3 жыл бұрын
@@AztecUnshaven Well, then that's just lazy writing, I'm sorry. You can't always expect you'll get a sequel and shouldn't just leave something like that open. You should focus on making a stand alone story first and foremost.
@giovan5219
@giovan5219 3 жыл бұрын
@@DinoDave150 This is really what you're worried about? Just nitpicking at this point
@DinoDave150
@DinoDave150 3 жыл бұрын
@@giovan5219 No, I was just asking a legitimate question and wanted to know if there was an answer for it. Also, it's not nitpicking if were talking about something like someone coming back to life with no explanation (in regards to the general populace of the established universe).
@giovan5219
@giovan5219 3 жыл бұрын
@@DinoDave150 Yeah my bad didn't mean to come off rude but still that plays no part in the grand scheme of things and it could be left up for interpretation as to how he came back to work at the daily planet again.
@darkknightfan7520
@darkknightfan7520 3 жыл бұрын
JL is definitely Zack’s best movie. And a near perfect dc universe movie for live action.
@donnythemop7559
@donnythemop7559 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple man, I see a SUPER FRAME video, and I give it a like.
@JoeGodHand
@JoeGodHand 3 жыл бұрын
11:47 that was the entire point
@hobbes6392
@hobbes6392 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like I’d be less critical of the Synder cut if it didn’t take 5 years of bullying people on Twitter to get it, cause know it’s just gonna be people screaming for more cause Warner gave in
@DinoDave150
@DinoDave150 3 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. Not to mention the pandemic putting a halt on just about everything also played a HUGE role in the Snyder Cut getting greenlit.
@WasimSaleem
@WasimSaleem 3 жыл бұрын
Aww... Poor Warners
@hobbes6392
@hobbes6392 3 жыл бұрын
@@WasimSaleem look I ain’t pulling out any pity for faceless corporate entity, I feel bad for the individuals that were harassed cause they work for WB. Also it means my Twitter trends are just morons screaming about how they want things that that can’t happen anymore
@ryantheanimator1156
@ryantheanimator1156 3 жыл бұрын
Or maybe WB and DC need to keep their shit together and have a better movie plan instead? At least Snyder knows what he wants to do with DCEU, while WB doesn't even know what the hell they are doing.
@ZaidKhan-kw4vx
@ZaidKhan-kw4vx 3 жыл бұрын
@@ryantheanimator1156 lol exactly
@guccidude8454
@guccidude8454 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t even like the movie but I just wanna say Super Frame ur goated bro I love all ur vids
@jerogomezrobledo
@jerogomezrobledo 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I completely agree with everything you've said, it was like I was watching myself in the mirror repeating every single word you've said.
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 3 жыл бұрын
Great review man :)
@yarc9
@yarc9 3 жыл бұрын
it’s a good movie
@LP3Customs
@LP3Customs 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't like MoS or BvS either but ZSJL is my favorite superhero movie ever
@Joakimcomicscenter
@Joakimcomicscenter 3 жыл бұрын
I loved it.
@techspider9517
@techspider9517 3 жыл бұрын
#istandwithrayfisher #dingus4redhood #justiceforjohnnydepp #restorethesnyderverse #releasetheayercut #deathstrokehbomax #blackcanaryhboseries some may not be a fan of it but for what it is I Enjoy it SO much!
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458
@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you Zack Snyder has a fundamental misunderstanding of Batman and Superman. And this movie is just above average I just gave you a 7.5 or a 6.
@nothingherezero7182
@nothingherezero7182 2 жыл бұрын
He doesn't he literally read superman and batman
@nothingherezero7182
@nothingherezero7182 2 жыл бұрын
He has understanding why did Superman kill Zod he killed him in most of the potrayals Yes even the former superman movies he also killed him in the comics and some in the animated tv shows you can't say he doesn't understand superman unless you actually notice how much there are different superman
@senuauwu
@senuauwu 3 жыл бұрын
I know its not the best movie but I love Hulk from 2003 and Daredevil also. In my opinion Affleck Batman is the best Batman He is strong, powerful, intimidating I love him I love the snyder cut, yes it has problems, but it´s better tahn 2017 version
@Kotoamatsukami6910
@Kotoamatsukami6910 3 жыл бұрын
Really? I think the opposite, his voice is not intimidating at all and he just seems like a pretty boy that can't be taken seriously.
@senuauwu
@senuauwu 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kotoamatsukami6910 ok
@authorbhattacharjee4957
@authorbhattacharjee4957 3 жыл бұрын
:/
@maddiejung974
@maddiejung974 3 жыл бұрын
Forgot all about the movie a few days later.
@Hewylewis
@Hewylewis 3 жыл бұрын
I don't wish to watch either version of this movie. Snyder's Cut had Wonder Woman bruatlly murdering people!!
@willyates2787
@willyates2787 3 жыл бұрын
and it was super cool
@Hewylewis
@Hewylewis 3 жыл бұрын
@@willyates2787 No, because Wonder Woman doesn't kill. She probably further traumatized those poor children.
@willyates2787
@willyates2787 3 жыл бұрын
@@Hewylewis neither does batman but this isn't really the comics its just an interpretation of popular characters who are fully themselves in the comics. This isn't the pure wo der woman we know, she's got some of zacks cynicism which clashes w her warmer personality, which i find really interesting and like watching🤷‍♂️
@Hewylewis
@Hewylewis 3 жыл бұрын
@@willyates2787 Wo der Woman, eh? Well then, that explains it. LOL I'm sorry, but these aren't the characters I grew up reading about. Zack Snyder doesn't understand these characters, hence why he made them murderers and took away their code.
@Kotoamatsukami6910
@Kotoamatsukami6910 3 жыл бұрын
@@Hewylewis He also has batman using guns. Batman did not use his batrangs once in the movie expect for the slomo flash recruiting scene
@mcurran6505
@mcurran6505 3 жыл бұрын
I may be a DC fan by heart but I'll admit this I'm not a big fan of the DCEU. Sure I do consider Wonder Woman, Shazam & the Synder Cut the best ones, but others like BvS, Suicide Squad & WW84 just has those massive flaws and failed miserably due to studio interference, awful editing, and being to dark all the time. This is what makes it differ from the MCU, because it was fully planned out and knew what to do (well most of the time). But the DCEU was just rushed and nothing was planned fully and its nothing more than a complete mess.
@hakaigonzalez7253
@hakaigonzalez7253 3 жыл бұрын
The slow mo was hella excessive. I don't want to see the freakin fastest man alive in slow mo. The dramatic music and W.womans theme made me laugh every time they came on. I liked new Steppenwolf but that's were my praise ends.
@parkeranimations3671
@parkeranimations3671 3 жыл бұрын
What exactly wrong with flash slo mo scenes?
@Kotoamatsukami6910
@Kotoamatsukami6910 3 жыл бұрын
@@parkeranimations3671 The last one was pretty bad
@parkeranimations3671
@parkeranimations3671 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kotoamatsukami6910 how? It was one of the best scenes in the movie.
@hakaigonzalez7253
@hakaigonzalez7253 3 жыл бұрын
@@parkeranimations3671 He just uses the goddamn slow mo to much. Flash is my favorite leaguer and I wanna see the dude go freakin fast! In 90% of the film he's literally the "slowest" one. He also looks like a dumbass when he runs.😁
@parkeranimations3671
@parkeranimations3671 3 жыл бұрын
@@hakaigonzalez7253 90 percent? Yeah you are reaching. He was in slow mo for like 4 scenes. It wasn’t that bad. You want those scenes to be in a few seconds? That would way to quick and boring. How is he the “slowest”? He is the fastest in the group. Why do you care how he runs? You’re just nitpicking at this point. No actual good criticism. Flash does go fast in the film. Did you not see it?
@seanharvey5336
@seanharvey5336 5 ай бұрын
Ill never get over the fact that Darkside forgot what planet that whooped his butt. That fact always takes me out of the movie.
@milesmsomi6665
@milesmsomi6665 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, it was a good movie but it had too much history and not enough story. I don't want a Snyderverse at all, I think he got his chance and it's time to give someone else a chance, I'm not a fan of these fans wanted a Snyderverse when Robert Pattinson has a Batman movie coming out next year. I think the characters, besides Flash and Cyborg, had no depth and he failed to make us care about them.
@monstergeek1613
@monstergeek1613 10 күн бұрын
Your videos are very cool but I admit I don't understand the "he didn't understand the characters". Why can't we say that it's a conscious choice by Snyder to offer another vision of these characters rather than simply a misunderstanding? Especially since you yourself say that over the films they resemble the original characters more and more so if they really didn't understand the characters, it wouldn't happen. Some will tell me that I say anything to defend him but I invite you to read interviews with Snyder just before the release of Man Of Steel where he was talking about the fact that after adapting Watchmen they could no longer make classic superhero movies. So he wanted to take these classic characters and give them the same deconstructionist treatment as Watchmen. We may think it's a crap idea but it shows that Snyder knows that the characters they present are not completely faithful but that that is precisely his intention. And despite everything, these versions allowed elements of the characters to be highlighted, simply in a different way. Snyder's Superman is certainly not ultra optimistic (which does not prevent him from being an interesting character because loyalty is not everything) but seeing him despite all these doubts and the rejection he receives remains a hero. shows that he believes in what he does (which is linked to Superman's character's hope that humans are good). The character of Batman is certainly a psychotic neurotic who kills but it allows us to better understand to what extent Batman comes from trauma (which in the comics explains his rule of no murder) and that through the injuries endured he could become what he fights(what happens in this version) therefore emphasizing the courageous side of the character from the comics (this courage which will be necessary for the Snyder version to become a hero again in zsjl). So yes these characters are unfaithful but it is to better stick to the story and the themes that Snyder wants to talk about. This trilogy has real meaning and it’s not just “edgy delirium”.
@KamikazeTenguGenji
@KamikazeTenguGenji 2 жыл бұрын
such a great video!
@danterose6673
@danterose6673 2 жыл бұрын
I did really like Snyder's JL. That being said his movies are pretentious. Snyder is definitely a "bro" kinda guy. I thought the movie did a good job with character arcs. Including Batman. I love Ben Affleck as Batman, but hated Snyder's character in BvS. The JL arc did finish that arc that now I can look back and understand why he took it extreme. All in all I really liked the Snyder Cut enough that I'd be okay with seeing where he'd take it next. Of course a shorter version would have been more tight, but this was for the Bros.
@autobotproductions1244
@autobotproductions1244 Жыл бұрын
I disagree about the Flash being more developed. I’d argue outside of the time travel scene at the end, he doesn’t really do anything meaningful throughout the entire movie
@h27
@h27 3 жыл бұрын
Was definitely better than whedon's cut. But the movie was 4 hours long and with that time u have time to give character depth so as a viewer we should expect at least a good movie. Saying that I don't know how the movie would've turned out if synder didn't get 4 hours for a theatrical release cut.
@jacobkirk1846
@jacobkirk1846 2 жыл бұрын
I loved it. Personally my favourite Superhero team up movie. Sure it’s 4hrs long, but if he didn’t cram everything he had in after 3 years of the fans fighting then that would go against the whole point of what the Snyder cut is supposed to be. It’s like complaining about the length of the Lord of the Rings extended editions.
@shuaibsalim6616
@shuaibsalim6616 3 жыл бұрын
Make a new video on Dr Doom
@Brizzardlegofilms
@Brizzardlegofilms 3 жыл бұрын
Another super interesting one. Great work bro!
@atharvadeshpande4749
@atharvadeshpande4749 3 жыл бұрын
Alright link saved and sending this to my friends who are super snyder fans. I said something similar but well you all can understand how it must have gone.
@saudbintalib5701
@saudbintalib5701 3 жыл бұрын
YES!!!!!
@dr.bright5670
@dr.bright5670 2 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@MrSupertallblackman
@MrSupertallblackman 3 жыл бұрын
It's not.
@legenwaitforitdary3508
@legenwaitforitdary3508 3 жыл бұрын
It is.
@yarc9
@yarc9 3 жыл бұрын
Its a good movie
@willyates2787
@willyates2787 3 жыл бұрын
i think u mean its not. not for EVERYONE. but for me and a couple people here, its beautiful
@MrSupertallblackman
@MrSupertallblackman 3 жыл бұрын
@@willyates2787 That's fine still not a good.
@brianconnolly4434
@brianconnolly4434 3 жыл бұрын
How’s his daughter
@thefunny8034
@thefunny8034 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video👍🏽 I thought the movie was perfect😁
@ItsDagar
@ItsDagar 3 жыл бұрын
It isnt a masterpiece, how could it be? Its not deep or groundbreaking, but to me, personally its a really good movie, not just "good", altough thats just cause of my ejoyment
@shroomer8294
@shroomer8294 2 жыл бұрын
I’m living in a dreamworld? No, you tell me Zack in your depths of ignorance who’s making the movies about a man who flies, you tell me. For real tho every time I see that clip my minds jumps to that one animated Superman movie where the bad guy yells at Superman that he’s living in a dreamworld and Superman is like “Yes, dreams are cool.”
@firebender1174
@firebender1174 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@michaelc6778
@michaelc6778 3 жыл бұрын
MOS, BVS and JL blow all 23 mcu movies out of the water imo.
@ashcraft257
@ashcraft257 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly a lot could have been done and that freaking singing thing was a bit too much I know for a fact that most of it wasn’t all him the story is there but he changed a lot of the movie to make it for the fan
@Dog1167
@Dog1167 3 жыл бұрын
6:26 *russians
@benjaminlife6071
@benjaminlife6071 3 жыл бұрын
Woo
@Kta8548i
@Kta8548i 2 жыл бұрын
While I like most of what this video says, I think you at times especially nearing the end of it start to almost push your opinion as facts on others and making fun of fans of his, like saying that he doesn’t care about the story of his movies but only the visuals, almost comes of as insulting and almost belittling the man making assumptions of him just because you aren’t a fan of his work.
@deveraalmestica5838
@deveraalmestica5838 3 жыл бұрын
I saw both versions they all over place I turned the TV off . they cartoons in 90 s of DC was better the movies. Wonder woman had more personally in the t.v show of 70s and 80s . I saw reruns even the 90s flash was better . And even the new flash show actor better then the actor that play him in the movie .
@spencermalley10
@spencermalley10 3 жыл бұрын
While I'm glad he got to make the movie he wanted, I still maintain Snyder should never have been approached to helm anything with Superman in it.
@parkeranimations3671
@parkeranimations3671 3 жыл бұрын
I really disagree with your last statement.
@spencermalley10
@spencermalley10 3 жыл бұрын
@@parkeranimations3671 Why?
@Kotoamatsukami6910
@Kotoamatsukami6910 3 жыл бұрын
@@spencermalley10 I agree with you
@giovan5219
@giovan5219 3 жыл бұрын
@@spencermalley10 Because he had a plan to build him into the hopeful and happy superman, which we get a hint of in zsjl.
@spencermalley10
@spencermalley10 3 жыл бұрын
@@giovan5219 You shouldn't need three 3-hour long movies for the worlds greatest superhero to start acting like hero.
@mjskillz23
@mjskillz23 5 ай бұрын
The movie is better for sure. But still not a great movie.
@smickler8366
@smickler8366 3 жыл бұрын
First
@uniqueness35fanofimginatio73
@uniqueness35fanofimginatio73 3 жыл бұрын
I’ll admit, I wasn’t even planning on watching this when it came out. The toxic fandom, along with my perpetual divided opinions on the first two movies, just kept me from fully being on board and I wasn’t in the mood for a four hour disappointment. However, I ultimately changed my mind and decided to give it a shot. Suffice to say, I was flabbergasted. Truly, profoundly surprised. I never expected to like this movie as much as I did, especially since I’m not that big a fan of his movies a whole lot(only ones I liked were 300, Dawn and Army of the Dead, and Watchmen: Director’s Cut). This does what the best of his movies do, even with the four hour runtime, is simplicity. It abandoned all pretense of trying to be more than what it is and was just a really fun, grand comic book story. Whereas the terrible theatrical cut felt hollow and bland, this felt large and full of meat with great characters, fun lore, and terrific direction. Pacing works really well and I was never bored, and the music kicked ass. Easily Junkie XL’s best score since Fury Road. Not everything works. Superman is still not a great character, unfortunately, though he’s not as offensive to me as the previous movies were. Sadly, I’ve accepted that I just don’t like the DCEU Superman and I doubt I ever will. While the runtime flows well for the most part, it does drag at some points, and the epilogue is too long. Sometimes, the jokes don’t fully land, but it’s not nearly as horrendous as the crap humor from Josstice. I’ll gladly take the worst jokes of this over the best jokes of that any day. While it’s well directed and the visual look gorgeous, the color palette is a little grey and I think for the Justice League, team full of colorful and large, grand superheroes, I think this should’ve had more of a vivid look(though tbf the Flash sequence looked outstanding and it still looks better than Josstice). Sometimes, a shot would go on too long and some moments would just go on a bit. This feels less like a movie and more of an extended cut to a long movie. Still, I really loved this, and I would go back to it over and over. I’m sad WB has no intentions to continue the story of this film after it finally got me hooked after all these years. If it happens someday, I’ll see it and be excited. What can I say? You did it Snyder, well done.
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