Thanks for mentioning W3D hub, we’ve worked hard to keep Renegade and the various mods alive for the past, Jeeze, almost 20 years now.

If there's one Shooter under EA i wished they remaster or remake, that would be Renegade. Imagine seeing Renegade in the Frostbite Engine, with destructible buildings.

one of my fave things about this game was how it really nailed the feeling of being a character in the middle of an RTS just running around shooting enemies up while ships chase each other and tanks pelt each other with rockets, and then how some side objectives just feel like they were already happening in the world and you stumbled on them (usually discovering civilian hostages to free)

I loved Renegade then and I love it now. You can't change my mind. I actually snuck up in the middle of the night and installed it on my fathers computer (didn't have my own) and played the entire campaign in one night. Then I uninstalled it and snuck back like nothing had happened.

Interestingly, there are statues of Havoc in the city maps in both Tiberium Wars and Kanes Wrath.

Renegade isn't really the black sheep more of a grey sheep. The game that must not be named is the real black sheep.

Wait really? It's a black sheep? I thought Renegade is quite beloved by the fans, despites of the different genre Imagine if there's remake for Renegade. Probably one of the wildest C&C fans dream

Renegade was really populated around 2012-14. Some community servers supported up to 100 players on a map and a lot of them were completly filled. Playing on these always ended in an all out war. On a side note, there was a official succesor too. "Tiberium" was supposed to take place during the Scrin attack and you would fight in red and yellow tiberium zones. Trailers looked amazing but EA cancelled it "due to not meeting their standards"...

I got renegade in a bargain bin at my supermarket as a child and it's hard to understand how ahead of its time it was. Nowadays the idea of a full scale battle with ground troops, tanks and helicopters flying overhead doesn't seem so impressive, but this was before anything like Battlefield and it blew my mind. It was pure chaotic fun and the fact that even if you weren't skilled, you could still save up and afford the biggest tank to play with during a game just made it such a fun sandbox. And like you said, nothing was overpowered - a skilled player could win using one of the free classes and some good teamwork/tactics. Also the cheap/free classes were so much more fun than a typical soldier/assault rifle; chem flamethrowers, snipers and engineers with c4. Probably the only multiplayer game I can remember as a child where I never cared about winning or losing, such great memories

I actually have a small tidbit: The chem sprayer has a unique, tiny chance of turning people into genetic goo which also throws tiberium & counts as a third party attacking all entities in a level minus other genetic goo's or "Visceroid"

What a black sheep it was. Just started the video but I loved Renegade and still play it every once and a while. Edit: Just finished the video and I really hope this gets people into the multiplayer lobbies! Great job!

Renegade X is an unbelievably good game for it's price. I just wish more people knew about it. The servers only tend to get busy at ungodly hours Australia time.

I’ll always remember the add for this game how it started in RTS then zoomed into FPS

As a kid I never played the C&C games before it, but my first introduction was Renegade. I was absolutely obsessed with it, I loved the sound effects, I have the sound of the Obelisk charging and shooting burned into my brain.

C&C Renegade has been a fun game and memorable experience. I enjoyed moments during Multiplayer gameplay where I could play as a Technician, put proximity mines at the front of a Buggy or Humvee, and drive it towards an opponent to trigger the mines. Also, throwing remote C4s in narrow corridors on some maps and then hearing a random "boink" sound later was hilarious

Oh I loved this game. Always fun to drive around in a Mammoth Tank

Ah Westwood, the studio that died. Compared to the one that lived long enough to become the villain.

You should get Frank Klepacki to do a channel outdo for you. Didn’t know Renegade X was a thing, I will have to check that out, thanks Zade. Great job your videos are increasing in quality. Keep it up!

So satisfying getting a good harvesters walk or nuke/ion drop on a power plant in multiplayer.

Late to the party but my two cents: Renegade suffered from a lot of flaws in for example the gunplay, enemy AI behavior, pacing of missions, often corridorshooter missions and the bad internet connectivity issues. That said, there are massively good idea’s underneath. The mission variety alone would make any FPS game envious. A run through the alps and across a dam, a stealthy fight through a mansion which you can turn into a brawl. Jail breakouts, fights through villages, assault on an vulcano island, fight on a massive militarized containership etc. While the gunplay had been done dirty, the weapon variety and potential for a large weapon sandbox is definitely there. Especially if vehicles and infantry movement gets an upgrade it could be one hell of a good game. The enemy AI behavior might have been atrocious, the amount of things they could do was not. You can listen in on conversations with the directional microphone, they have various ways to respond to sounds and attacks (but the AI behavior forces only a few most of the time) and they had a lot of small interactions with the environment. And then there is the multiplayer. Unlike most modern games the balance is skewed in strongly in favor of the defenders. This makes a successful destruction of an enemy building the most adrenaline inducing thing I have experienced, because you know it’s difficult. You know it could go wrong at any time. But it was not restricted to one method of play. You could try and beat a building to death with anti-tank weapons from infantry, or try to slam some vehicles with firepower into it. Or you could use the confusing mess that the game could be to infiltrate and blow up a terminal by yourself. Or coordinate an attack where many people try to rush in with vehicles and exit to destroy the target from inside. And to do any of these things you often had to build the conditions for it, like taking the field with vehicles, or the infantry tunnels, or distract your enemy so they mass at the wrong point. Or one of the best things was the placement of a beacon and defending it hoping to finish it off with a superweapon. That too suffered from flaws, like how many characters were blatantly better even for their price or how the 3rd person mode coupled with hitscan weapons could let you increase the hitbox of enemies on your screen by 2x to more than 10x depending on how far they are from you, because you can aim behind a player and the bullet will still hitscan them as it passes through them and the 3rd person camera was so generously off center that every player had a massive “shadow” where a bullet had to pass through them to hit what was being aimed at. But all that said, if Renegade were remade with a better engine and the flaws mentioned brought up just to modern day adequate standards, you’d still have a massive banger of a game on your hands.

I remember playing this as a young lad at lan parties. I had a blast with this game

played so much of this online. Quite well too!

Loved this game as a kid, it's awesome to see such a detailed video done on it this many years later, thank you!

I appreciate your approach to talking of games, regardless of the genre of the game itself. So talk about the games you want!

This is a very thorough retrospective. Thanks for all the work.

I remember the multiplayer being 20v20, not 8v8? but thanks for reminding me this game had multiplayer, it was absolutely amazing vehicle coop and combat!

love playing this game with my friends... those obelisk tower are scary.

I remember playing multiplayer on gamespy arcade servers, they’d be packed with dozens or even hundreds of players. The battles would last hours sometimes, with a back and forth war of attrition, with the occasional mammy or S tank rush. It was absolutely awesome.

WTH Those early trailers look silky smooth!!

Renegade is honestly one of its kind. No other game captures such a free-roaming, sandbox-y, PvP gameplay that still had clear objectives and allowed players to win the game their own way. Everyone can do their own thing whether that be taking the battle by foot, skirmishing with vehicles, setting up base with proxy mines, or sneaking around the map and slowly exhausting enemy resources. Speaking of resources, the buildings being a resource that everyone shares naturally builds a sense of team. If the infantry barracks is destroyed, then everyone struggles for the next few hours. So everybody better put in a team effort for the sake of their own sanity. Games nowadays hold the players' hands too often and only have one way to win the game, which isn't a bad thing. It's definitely a repeated formula though.

A very interesting video. One thing that wasn't mentioned is that Renegade also spawned many standalone total conversion mods, most notably "Red Alert: A Path Beyond" and "Tiberian Sun Reborn".

"Is Renegade as Good as you Remember?" - Yes, because it wasn't good, it was enjoyable in singleplayer, but tedious, BUT! The multiplayer in the TD-Universe was so awesome to me, I had the best time with it while it lasted. Still playing Renegade X on and off for this very reason =)

I tried to Install C&C 3 as well as Red Alert 3 last year from the original DVD's I had laying around, but couldn't get them running. So I ended up contacting Origin support for assistance. They made me jump through a few hoops like taking pics of the Disc's etc as proof I actually owned them, and once verified they gave me the keys for the entire C&C series with the "Ultimate Collection" bundle! (Renegade included) which I thought was really bloody decent of them, as a lot of the later titles and expansions I'd never even owned. Anyway, I forgot I had Renegade and this vid reminded me that I have it, but not tried it! Definitely going to install it now. Cheers for the info regarding the community patch, as well as Renegade X which I'll be looking into as well. Great retrospective mate. Keep em comming! Edit: You forgot to post the links: Tiberium Technologies: www.tiberiantechnologies.org/ Renegade X: renegade-x.com/ W3D Hub: w3dhub.com/ Cheers!

Doing a great job. All of the flashback feels on this one.

I think it had so much potential. They didn’t have time to balance it as well as they could’ve. The sniper classes are the most OP classes in the game and you are immediately at a disadvantage when not in an armored vehicle, building, or have repairs on your artillery/MRLS. It’s one shot to the head to die, they have no recoil or bullet drop, and some sniper players are really good. They shred light armored vehicles, including the orca and Apache, which would’ve likely had reliable counters in the form of fully- functional anti-air. Someone who played the beta may have more insight. Only recently in the latest patches have we had reliable tracking with stealth tanks and MRLSes but they can still evade the Stank missiles if they fly right above them.

this game was amazing, played many hours online with my friends.... remembered the day the Apache became a reality!

Oh man, I have such vivid memories of this game. This was the first game to temporarily turn me off of gaming altogether and FPS in particular for a while back in the day. I used to love C&C, so I was super down for Renegade, but the atmosphere, the gameplay, the presentation - all of it left teenage me feeling grossed out in a weird way.

Command and conquer renegade will be forever my favorite fps. Havoc was a badass and funny guy lol

Thank you SO much for this video! Liked & subscribed, I want to play & stream this game for childhood nostalgia!♡

i will never forget the fun i had with the boys on this game in middle school. the multiplay was killer.

I don't general play FPS games, but I thought this was well worth watching. You did a fine job Zade. Thanks for sharing.

IMO, in a world of (potential) C&C Remasters, Renegade may be the only game in the C&C Franchise that could do with a Full Reboot instead. Whilst the Campaign has its treasured moments, the idea of a more refined, detailed and expanded story behind Havoc within the C&C Universe being told would definitely be a big plus in my book. Things like: - History and playing with the Dead 6 until Havoc's and Sakura's departure - Logan Shepard (the "Original Havoc") returning and potentially having missions playing with him. - The full arsenal of C&C Tib Dawn at your disposal. (It always irritated me that there was no Attack Bikes except in the game except in cinematic). But, like I said, that's just my opinion. I'm happy playing in Renegade X for multiplayer, and would be happy with a Renegade Remaster, should it ever happen.

Great video as always

This games multiplayer is insanely fun. Trying to plant beacons such good memories

I loved it at the time. My favorite was seeing the inside of the buildings.

Renegade was way ahead of its time! Would love to play this game in a remastered version.

I loved this game. Renegade multiplayer. So many hours. Intense matches. Teamplay. I tried to reload. Could never get it back again. Wish this one would get support and remastered.

Well Zade, I do love that you've done reviews for so many RTS games I have played I also am someone who would champion your growth to do things outside of the sphere of RTS game. That and I remember I really like renegade I thought it was a cool idea, especially going into bases and destroying them using vehicles as well was sweet

Something that sounds strange to me when watching retrospectives like this is when people say the hype was big for upcoming games circa 2001. It must have been very different in the early days of the Internet, especially before KZfaq and such. Also online gaming in New Zealand must be impossible lol, I thought we had bad pings in South Africa.

"Impressive, are they armed?" * PEW, PEW* "This one is."

Renegade was my first CnC game back in the day even though I was an RTS player. Loved it and gave the RTS games a chance after

Idr what it's name was, but I played a really fun modded selection of campaign maps where you could play single player maps online with tons of people. There were barriers in place that lifted under certain conditions, more enemies, and spawn points that progressed as the barriers were pushed past. Very fun. Would recommend

I remember when I was small and watching my dad playing renegade, many saved games on the last mission, was a good memory. Hope there's gonna be a remastered version of renegade

Great video!

Back in the day I would play tons of matches with my friends.

Wow, thats amazing! Renegade X 23:45

I was lucky enough to play this game a lot during it's heyday. My friends and I perfected the early Engineer rush and could cripple an enemy team's defenses in just a few minutes into a game. It was awful and brutal and mean and some of the best fun I ever had in an FPS.

Very solid review! It perfectly captures the memories and feeling I had about Renegade. And damn I didn't know about Tiberium Technologies, guess its time for a replay after like 10 years?

Oh boy, this is going to be good.

I was in high school when Renegades came out. As a C&C fan I loved the idea and immediately bought it when I saw it at walmart. I had a lot of fun with it. Doesn't look that amazing now but being able to control the vehicles and stuff was amazing back then.

Awwwh Bro, Kiwi as. Ive been watching your CnC videos and this was the first one (that I noticed) where you said you lived in NZ. Thats so cool. Im in Wellington :)

Renegade is still playable online on cnc net, I'd love to see a full lobby one day.

I remember playing and being part of mammoth surges or light tank surges or flames urges through the tunnels and placing beacons I would love to see this return!

The fact that this game exists returned to me in a dream, and now I need to remember.

Great video bud! I love this game, can't help it, it's nostalgia-incarnate.

Good video Man. I'm going to convince my friend and play some Renegade X!

I was 3 years of age when my father introduced me to video games and pulled out this masterpiece

I know some of the Totem Arts devs, they're a really passionate and fun bunch, really nice people. This is a super passionate and fun community.

This will forever be the greatest game to me. CTF mod servers and just sniper servers in general... Molto Bene! Playing and being an owner/admin for LTRoush and AUGELITE servers were absolutely fantastic experiences and even the bad parts in hindsight where just another learning experience. I am pretty sure I'm going to get the game running and jump in for a bit. I love it just as much as I use to and so much want another game like it and will be watching that new project from these devs.

Can confirm the multiplayer is still fun. Was on the corner yesterday 20v20 on volcano. Great game, lasted 30 mins

Man I can still remember so much of Havok's dialogue verbatim, after all these years. I basically bought my first ever graphics card because of this game, and I played the shit out of it. I never played the multiplayer though, as I had dial up internet and my parents wouldn't let me... As much as I like the idea of Renegade X, I don't feel like I have time for multiplayer shooters anymore. Too many good strategy and VR games that take priority for the little free time I have.

Absolutely loved the mp. Played the community made updated mp as well. Would love a modern renegade which would problably compete well atm.

The single player campaign...meh. But the online Multiplayer, BEST VIDEO GAME EXPERIENCE OF MY LIFE! So many memories and fun. Used to have such a great community, especially after the 2007 era when First Decade came out. Unfortunately only a small remnant remains but on a weekend its still possible to see one or 2 servers completely full.

It was awesome. Just a decent shooter that let you walk alongside tiberium harvesters.

A lot of people are still actively playing! Renegade however has since been evolved into Interim Apex. We typically have 10 - 40 players daily in the afternoons EST time. Interim Apex is Command and Conquer renegade but free, Multiplayer only, new maps and tons of new units from all the C&C Universes.

I liked the hybrid oh genres with renegade it was far from perfect but you felt the love and effort put into it and i personally enjoyed it.

So many memories of this game

It's a shame renegade never got a sequel would have been sweet to have played as a commando in the tiberian sun or red alert timelines especially having campaigns from both sides

The thing with Renegade is Westwood tried to bite off WAAAY more than it could chew. From what I've heard over the years, they were trying to make a new engine with graphics far more advanced than anything previously seen, AND they wanted to have freeform base-building and full building destruction like in the original C&C. When it turned out that they couldn't do it, they had to scramble to put SOMETHING together to ship. So, we essentially got Westwood's Minimum Viable Product, yet with that said, it wasn't too bad. Sure, the graphics were dated a by a few years even at release, but given what happened, I can forgive that honestly. (Oh, and who TF plays with the vehicle camera locked to the hull? That's just silly...)

I played renegade for the first time when it was released in the first decade collection. Even with its outdated graphics the campaign was so much fun

Renegade was the first shooter I ever played, so I enjoyed the nostalgia trip from this video. My parents didn’t let me play shooters when I was a kid, but this one snuck under the radar because it was included in the CnC First Decade cd pack, so I played it whenever my mom was out of the house for a few hours. *insert evil chuckle* I keep meaning to try Renegade X, but I never have time these days. Hopefully I can jump into it when Firestorm comes out.

You know what's funny? DICE used to be know for doing racing games.

idk... while yeah sure HL2 still looks rly good even with today games but like.... i think the renegade grafics have aged quiet well? much better then a lot of other games from that time imo....

The fact that Renegade's multiplayer out-battlefield Battlefield by almost a year doesn't get enough recognition.

Great video for a fun and enjoyable game. Even if it wasn't the best still a lot of good memories.

What was that thing you community posted about? Did you get it in the video in the end?

21:49 I'm feeling called out here lol

Nice video. Loved the game back then.

@7:52 "Clean up your act, Captain!"

I bought this games many many years ago on the Sold Out range and I never installed it until today when I dug out an old XP PC I had in storage. Its not too bad at all for its time, and I agree with the review. I should have played it when I bought it and I will play more of it as I love this era from back then. Now onto the next install, of Dues Ex for a replay since the old days.

5:48 love that though

Renegade is pretty much the main game I played online, along with Delta force land warrior, and later league of legends, before giving up on online play. For me, what set is apart, other than the heavy C&C RTS flavour, was the way the MP worked. The fact that the entire team has to work together, and everything you do has an actual impact, made it stand out from generic CTF or deathmatch games. Making a crazy, all-out suicide rush to take out an enemy refinery doesn't just get you a few points, it cripples their income, meaning they have a far harder time buying vehicles or characters. Loosing your factory means you now have to be far more careful with whatever vehicles you have, and come up with creative strategies to move forward, like infantry rushes or stealing enemy tanks. It gave you something to fight towards, and made every match unique. One of these days I'll get into renX, but I'm scared of where that rabbit hole leads :P

I used to play semi-pro with Venkom Knights back in the day. I loved renegade! All the warhammer 40k custom mods back then too lol

Anyone remember the "boink" sound effect when you would get a kill? This game was my first real introduction to online PC gaming and it was fantastic.

I have been missing this game it was really good in its time i THINK it still is till this day even watching this.

Although you are the strategy game guy I really would love to see you review other games from other genres :)

This was the most defining game of my life. It was pretty much how I started my life online. Nothing has come close to matching its simple but effective base vs base combat. -Eep. You're playing without locking the camera to vehicle turrets? =O-

Man renegade is the only game that i can always come back to no matter what . It feels sl nice its just amaizing

This game is the inspiration for all of my gamertags and usernames. Except on here ironically lol.