When you realise your AoE isn't AoE enough, and your cooldowns and ER matters.

second part Nahida/Furina/XQ, Kuki is very ez team. you dont care about waves and evaporate lectors shields

I'd rather fight 4 waves of duo element Consecrated Beast, it's quite fun fighting Concecrated Beast. They're the only interesting non-boss enemy we have in Abyss so far.

@@diazpramudita5165This is the most true take of them all, and people who hate Consecrated Beasts just hate fun challenge.

@@JosepiThe13th I see, you're a man of culture as well.

idk man,, atimos is just so scarryy grrrr dorito

True, it took me so long to do first chamber, while the other 2 took me 5 attempts max, why do they keep doinf this to us 😢

If you use hyperbloom youre not gonna have a problem in this abyss lol

@@hopwaffles It was on the other side lol

That's why I always go in first time with a team for the final chamber(s), and worry about the first one later. Easier clears. I was able to easily full clear the back 2 chambers with Clorinde Aggravate first half and Wriothesely/Furina/KaOo/Mika second half. Then I changed Mika for Yelan on the bottom side and fucked shit up there, too.

Skill iss- *Gets sniped

So that you feel the need for healing, which makes them sell Clorinde, Sigewinne, Furina and even Nilou after

I hecking love double hydro Charlotte

​@@francoisnze-maure5084Furina healing? XD

nah, but He isn't wrong because corrosion is just free Furina skill(drain hp), which mean You can potentially use the heal one or just brute force and use the usual tbh​@@Schwibzik

Exactly, they're moving the goalpost but they don't want to make the prize better, it basically becomes a chore to keep up with something that once required certain amount of DPS and nowadays it's what? 5 or 6 times tankier? If I were a relatively new player and my first attempt at an abyss was the last one I manage to clear even with 1 star on two chambers and then the next one became this and I see myself struggling to go beyond the first one what would I think about it? I still remember how the first iterations were against some ruin guards, nowadays we have to kill 3-4 bosses with 4 times the HP and we only got an increase of 200 gems because Hoyo is too greedy to give the imaginarium it's own prize pool. I don't know who is this for but it certainly isn't for casuals and it certainly isn't for me after I overcame the DPS and character check so I'm still wondering what portion of the playerbase is Hoyo aiming at with this.

People asking not for "real hard hard abyss", people asking for more endgame, which they adding to late(4.7 and 4.8 are literally 3 years). Yeah, they adding it now, but most players won't even glance at it...

Complain in in-game feedback. Write mobile app store reviews. I even stopped paying welkin. Money can't fix Gear RNG.

That Abyss is nightmare fuel. Overall that easily break shields in ONE SHOT

That abyss will haunt me forver lmao, thought i would lose my 36* streak (was only able to clear that oje after getthing alhaitham), this abyss is more element strict but i still did it on my third try

​​@@sleeppssi know a lot of people dislike baizhu or calling him sidegrade and stuff, but he actually made me breeze that abyss easily and more comfy than zhongli. With minimum amount of dodges his refreshing shield is enough for me to trade blows with the beasts

imagine if they put that again and wenut on the 12-2 and 12-3 instead of the current one lmao

@@dohnaseek every time i see him on banner im tempted to pull ngl

Meanwhile I have Neuvilette and still can't 3 star that annoying 1st chamber

Always has been.

@@danatchi It just depends on ur first team if ur using neuvilettes best team 2nd half

@@vCharliee I can do the 1st haph in 1 min 6s with mono pyro Arlecchino. Is that enough?

"Just pull whoever you want, abyss is meant for casuals." Fontaine really brought in some crazy op units huh (furina, neuv, arle). You see a lot of team clears, and you're more likely to see at least one of these units. Genshin is finally adding power creep, and it's funny to still see people going "it's a casual game mode" when it's clear (most) winners have these units or have great vertical investment. There's a reason why we have less ayato, yoimiya, (eul-), even though they can still technically win.

I beg to differ. I don't have Jean after 1071 days of playing. And I play with a xl handicap. 3.7 abyss was THE toughest for me ever, and the only abyss I wasn't able to 36* since I started doing 36* regularly.

Hell, Xiangling is literally free *from* Abyss.

@@megalith7796 If by Xiangling handicap you mean not C4 then that's a you problem, 3 years mean at least 2 lantern rites so two free Xiangling + the abyss one and how many shop rotations? You didn't wish on a single banner who had her as a rate up? I get not sniping a single one from permanent because the pool is diluted and the regular fates are scarce but that abyss did indeed have more options, the problem with this one is that two sides are competing for the hydro characters and we have only 3 non 5* options (I refuse to acknowledge Hydro traveler existence). Pyro has: 8 options, of those you're given two for playing. Not to mention something that people seem to forget, Anemo follows PHEC or CPHE absorption order, meaning that you can have amazing pyro application in a couple of steps with let's say Sucrose if you self infuse or Guoba swirl, meanwhile Hydro is second and third, and in both cases is behind pyro and what are we fighting on this one? yep Pyro shields. I do agree that 3.7 was limiting and honestly horrible but this one is every bit as bad, you just happen to have better coverage this time.

@@megalith7796 after 3.7 you obv got more investment.

not harder, frustrating, 4 waves in 90 seconds is so painful

@@saviolbnful Not mutually exclusive. It IS harder to clear them on time cause of the damn waves.

Im ar 59 and i cant clear this abyss😢

Bro if they exist they just shouldn't. Ar45 is so early game, if you are playing slowly you haven't even reached sumeru soundtrack or desert at this point. Why are you grinding abyss

@@ishansharma2463 the minimum to play the Fontaine quest is a measly Ar40.

this means 5.7 will be an elemental, dps as well as a skill issue check. jesus

Wenut abyss was 3.5. Yes. They released Dehya on this patch lmao

You're ruining the illusion of Hoyo doing this because they were threatened by WuWa. Please delete 😢

​@@GoldLink364 And now they're releasing Sigewinne this patch, it's all connected.

@@skelebro9999GOOD the hardest content in the game after years of playing should finally be difficult

Agree, he carried me too, he is amazing❤‍🔥 no matter how hard the abyss is, he always shines. It's insane, that he is so strong and his best teams are so cheap. He even didn't get any buffs in Fontaine, like Furina and Cloud Retainer, but he still clears the abyss. Can't imagine how good Childe is gonna be with pyro archon, can't wait to see it!

@@NatalyHaldey with Natlan .. may more people recognize how unfairly strong he is xD

​@@taiy0o802Imagine pyro support that will make Childe able to vaporise all his attacks and riptides

@@God_abandoned_us_all i mean something better than Xiangling would be 6* 💀💀💀 .. this girl snapshots every buff + does not have any icd on her ult something like that with archon stats and complete synergy results in absolute powercreep to all other meta teams even neuvellette teams xD

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how hoyoshit milks players for impulsive pulls😂

@@r.d.6290 what’s even worse? Artifacts are random. It doesn’t matter how hard I grind every single day. I’m not guaranteed to get anything good.

@@leejordan6965just quit lol Not worth playing when Hoyo had already given up on Genshin and put all their effort focus on HSR

Pull Neuvillette then lmao

@@k.chajel1770 i did? Most of it is skill issue mixed with some good-ish artifacts since it takes forever for me to get a good set for some characters. I’m still trying tho and this is the abyss in a while that i’ve 36 stared. Characters like fruina and xianyun will deff help support them better with their buffs.

Yh, cause this is supposed to be her abyss.... Right? Surely...

Awarege

Hand me over that pure copium of yours.. I want some too..

Pikachu shocked I hope

The seahorses applied electro and you got overloaded, happened to me too

That stupid ass thing one shot my 37k hp Diona -- I bawled my eyes out because I was so frustrated

unsure how helpful or strong taunt actually is but F2P (and non-standard) option is also Lynette

@@Risuization I used Lynette with hyperbloom in the first half and Kadzuha on the second, got 3 stars, Lynette's taunt worked pretty good

Is it really the hardest ever? I joined 3.8 and this abyss first chamber felt frankly unfair for an account like mine with no Neuvi or Arle. DPS check was tough with Keqing as my top half DPS. I managed to 3 star it but barely, save a few seconds.

I started playing on 3.2 and didn't really start 36* staring till 3.8 so i didn't get to fight him at any point. I live in fear bc i don't have a single built geo, the current plan is level 20 ningguang full petra on hyperbloom team lol

I dread every time I have to think about dealing with either Wenut, Ruin Serpent, or Golden Wolflord in abyss. The last time they were in abyss, it wasn't as bad, but I still remember the first time any of them were in there. They are a pain in the arse

I would rather have Wolflord and Wenut than this shit, but maybe it's just me...

​@@EdenVixif the wolflord is in 1st or 2nd chamber he isn't that tanky and depending on your investment you can kill him before shield phase. I did with alhaitham quickbloom. If he's on 3rd chamber then a 3 man hyperbloom + Ning is still enough

​@@EdenVixthats literally what i do when the that stupid as flying maniac first appear on f12, i use lvl 1 ttds 4 instructor ning and hope for the best that my childe and xiangling can carry the game, i also remember the next chamber is bathysmal vishap, i swear to god the amount of time im hoping im actually bringing sucrose is unhealthy at that time, its really rough having close to no character and the abys just restricted your options who are already limited

But the whole thing is limiting at the core tho, I don't know what's fun about telling your players "play hydro and electro or get fcked" even taking that out of the equation who actually has fun on spreaded out multi wave content? I 36* the whole thing in a single try because I have an above average investment and even then it felt like a chore, can't imagine how horrible it must feel for someone to realize they didn't have enough time for the second half of chamber 1 and having to do the first half again with enough time to cover for the fact that we have 0 good options when it comes to hydro characters on the F2P friendly side. Barbara, XQ, and Candace, that's it, and don't get me wrong I know that the electro options are good and I can believe with no problem that a lot of people will have a decently invested Fischl but a Beidou? Zajef has declared multiple times how underrated she is and I agree 100% in my almost 4 Years playing this I've barely seen Beidou as a first option to anyone. Genshin basically screwed his playerbase, if you're like me I don't see any problem in the foreseeable future but how many players can say that they have over 70 characters ready for abyss? this + the imaginarium is without doubt one of the worst things done by Hoyo and this time you managed to meet the requirement but can you say you'll have fun on a moon that doesn't favor you? will you be able to keep up with this vertical investment at the same time you horizontally invest for the imaginarium? The saddest thing about this situation is how blind some are to the real problem, this abyss is Hoyo once more moving the goalpost and yet the reward increase wasn't proportional to the requirements.

​@@drekhunterthis abyss is way less restrictive than other abyss cycles have been though, i personally found it way more fun than the previous one. Yeah you definitely need hydro but we've had cycles like the 3.7 baptist where you needed what? Dendro, hydro, pyro i think. I think most people will have at least 2 built hydros I don't think that's the issue here, the dps threshold is simply higher and people who can't meet it or barely do are having a really hard time with it

@@EdenVix The problem with your comparation is that you can totally ignore one of the 3 shields of the baptist and still be good to go, not to mention that's a single boss and I'm pretty sure the 3 shields are way less tanky that even one of these ones. I wouldn't make a case out of it if the players didn't brag about how casual this game is but let's not forget that hyperbloom requires hydro and if your two characters are hostage on that side you effectively killed a lot of combinations.

doesn't hurt to try we don't get to suffer like this too often

​@@EdenVixway less restrictive my ass

We dont know how hard Imaginarium Theater is yet and how hard Hoyo will decide to make it. Where abyss needs 2 teams so 8 characters at most, Imaginarium requires even more characters so its a bigger roster check. We do get blessings for buffs but I doubt it'll be an easier mode.

indeed

It would perfectly fits how Scamhoyo works

That's Childe already lol

Not really, you underestimate how much Genshin is willing to ignore things till they explode on their faces. Hell I love WuWa and I don't think it will make Genshin sweat because they have a loyal (and pretty brainwashed) fanbase, I do however hope that WuWa makes people realize that Genshin isn't doing everything they could and maybe help the game improve if enough people wake up and ask for a game that respects their players a bit more, I mean come fucking on the loadouts is the less we should have by this point but they don't give a single fuck.

@@drekhunter I just want an honest discussion, what exactly do you hope from Hoyo? Genshin is its own game, you can't exactly change it to match WuWa's combat system. Wall running is out of the question too because it would require a massive overhaul to the game equivalent to underwater exploration in 4.0 and tether travelling in 3.0. So the only thing left is to ask for more free stuff. A simple 10 free pulls every patch like HSR? I mean, WuWa is only giving out so much free stuff because they have massive amount of game-breaking bugs. Genshin doesn't have these bugs to compensate... We'll have to see if WuWa will continue to give out 60 free pulls in mail consistently in the future.

​@@nekochenif they do they will be pretty fcked, when the hype finally calms down, i dont think people realize how alot of money from genshin is from millions of low spenders putting 5/15 bucks a month, if you give take the necessity for that, you will need only whales to carry the game, and .. goodluck with that

That said I do think genshin could and should be more generous, they give around 650 pulls every year, we have around 4 banners per patch, so upping the pulls to atleast 700 per year would help alot already (copium moments)

We don't get free stuff not because of wuwa it's because hoyo don't give a f about us. F2p will be f2p and the simps will keep swiping

It's mostly a do you have the correct element check.

Its a roster check on top of the usual investment/dps check. If you dont have comps that use specific elements than youre out of luck but its only abyss 12 thats problematic so it doesnt really matter.

I have Done this with Neuvillette AFK Childe Team i.e. Neuvillette, Kazuha, Childe (AFK), Zhongli. it clears preety good.

i have done c0r1 solo nuvi and he clears

yeah i did second side with c0r0 neuvillette c0r1 furina and had like 20 seconds left, it was just a matter of grouping with kazuha and infusing his burst so i could maximize my application my first side team was alhaitham nahida yae zhongli (all c0r0) and i finished within 80 seconds good grouping and transitions between waves are the most important thing in this abyss imo

Pls bring back normal boss DPS check rather multi wave niche content that forced you to use 1 element madgeClap Sbuga

The hardest is still the one that had 4 of the tiger consecrated beasts but this one comes close. The enemies arent too hard but this is the highest hp abyss has ever had.

I mean technically it is the hardest to some people until a new and harder one released lol

Thats normally how gachas work yeah

Which begs the question of why a lot more people than usual are mad that this Abyss is difficult. Just pull one or two meta characters every region and invest in them a lot if you want to clear the current hardest content in the game. Not to mention, we're approaching the next region, so obviously the Abyss this time is gonna be difficult -- just look at 3.7 for example. Compared to other gachas, we've been heavily spoiled by Hoyo, barely having any powercreep and allowing 1.0 characters to stay relevant even after 4 years.

​@@hiimapop7755Because Those people delebrately Ignored Getting Neuvillette by saying "He is Boring to play because he Insta kill everyone by just one E skill". And instead these people pulled Chiori, Baizhu, Wanderer, itto, etc And so now they Suffer. Let them Suffer because that's how they will learn how to do "Future investments"

​@@hiimapop7755people like genshin bc there is minimal powercreep, people dont want to pull a unit they dont like/think is boring. it's also unsustainable, doesnt appeal to anyone who isnt familiar with gacha game's regular bs (i.e. majority of the playerbase and the reason why gi is so popular :l)

as it should be

Oh fking yes myy god i hate those

agreed

hoyo is shaking in their boots right now true

Cook

just copied zajef? why are ppl liking this

Jesse, what the hell are you talking about?

I can't believe people are unironically eating this up.

How do you people manage to do it in 2 retries. I am always in awe. 😂 Do you have cons? After reading this I'll also try my clorinde team against 12-1-2 now. I always used Clor/fish/nahi/beidou but never thought that it could break lector shields fast enough.

b l u e

…cry louder

@@Matrix-sg1uy says the guy who cant beat the abyss without her

That's a bit exaggerated. They help, sure, but it's still very doable without them.

Nahh dont worry, they do this every in every end of nation, basically a "have you collected this nations characters?" Check

I didn't have Neuvillette and still managed to 9 star

Sorry to bother but what rotation do you use for your team?

@@AllisonPineda-pl7ce No worries. In this type of team where reactions don't really matter I would usually just go for the burst with the longest duration first. Iirc it was Furina E Q > Yelan E Q > Albedo E > Noelle E Q.

@@FayinKay Tysm bro

@@AllisonPineda-pl7ce no problem bro 🫶

Cyno only struggles in multiwave because he needs to swap out to reapply dendro on Nahida. With Baizhu he doesnt struggle as much.