But snow is white

@@zakkosu727 he might tell the truth but he doesn’t tell you for good reason

@@Balteus_420 understood

After what Odin did to Mirnir of course he be piss

@@zakkosu727 it's more of a metaphor. "If he tells you snow is white, he is lying" this only serves as gaining your trust then followed by a lie and consequently manipulation

The simple finality of it all. Apparently the part where Odin offered to deal with Freya for Kratos was what made him refuse. Up until that point he was heavily considering the offer

​@@DTheCriticalhe probably still have refused

Fewer words, greater impact, am I right?

Odin=scissors Kratos=rock

Same words uttered by Thor to his father, though his last one.

That is what made him so scary. I knew he's the bad guy bc I had meta knowledge, but if I'd met him in that world not knowing anything about him, I'd have easily trusted him. He sold his manipulation so well, he seemed like a bro.

There are people like him. I've met them. Always be wary

no zeus feels more like "you fucked up and im gonna try to kill you" and odin is "i will use you for my gain until you arent useful to me anymore, then ill kill you"

@@weelolol Yeah but Zeus has such a theatrical feel to it that you can't help but enjoy it. XD

@levichicwown9760 Problem is those just seem so way over the top that they sound almost ridiculous.

And we almost felt pity for Odin too,it's like we almost felt he was the good guy eventhough we already knew he was bad,the way he talk,act,it's just he's very good at manipulation and he's very convincing too,I have never seen anything like this in any game even in movies too

There's a theory about Odins and Thors relationship. In there first game, Mimir mentioned Thors mother, giant names Fjörgyn, and how she was one of Odins great loves, and how Odin was never the same after her. So, this theory claims that Fjörgyn died in childbirth, and Odin was so shocked because of that, he began to detest Thor, and turned him into a destroyer of the Jötnar, because that's what he ever was and ever will be. Or perhaps Odin just despises him because of Thors lesser wisdom, as Odin only values knowledge and control, he knows if Thor turns against him, Thor could kill Odin, so that's why he's angry to Thor for stopping drinking, because drunken Thor was easier to control and manipulate. And that's why he kills Thor after he turns against him, he no longer controls Thor, so he must die.

@@VonArmagedda this game is surprisingly deep and I love it!

@@VonArmagedda There is also the detail of Odin telling Thor to stop listening to his wife. Only listen to me [odin].

I knew I recognised his voice! Yeah he's a brilliant character

@@VonArmagedda I do like this theory. Though it makes me think if it wasn't as bad before. Sif talks about happier times when Magni and Modi were children. I don't doubt Odin has been mistreating him for centuries, but Thor was still able to find happiness in his family. Which may suggest it so bad before, as least for Odin's kin. Perhaps Groa's fake prophecy awakened an even greater level of cruelty in Odin, which only made things worse. Thor became more depressed and an even heavier drunk, Magni and Modi grew up in cruelty, instead of nurturing.

Also the scene where Odin kills Brok and is holding Atreus at knifepoint. "I regret many things - killing you will not be one of them, RELEASE MY SON!"

This was especially apparent during his fight with Heimdall. Once he kicked dirt in Kratos face, the Ghost of Sparta broke out of his cage and fucking folded him. It was hard to tell who was more disturbed, Mimir who witnessed it, or Kratos who didn't think something so small could set the beast loose.

Kratos is a god. God's don't get weaker by age.

​@@bartudundar3193 Especially not Greek Gods either, since I'm pretty sure Greek Gods get stronger the older they grow.

@@sterben6993Yeah, I think the only thing holding him back is his dislike of his own divinity and nature as a God of War. He simply does not like violence but has little choice. He isn't weak, he is just very unenthusiastic about massacring this pantheon.

Thats bc odin is not the bad guy. The giants are.

@@ToneLuck-up3uqbro manipulated you 😢

@@ToneLuck-up3uq he killed his son

@@Samagachi nah he tripped.

The developers knew that Odin had to be aware of his own reputation and tailor his manipulations to make people second guess everything they heard. Looking like a thin, well dressed and soft spoken old man allowed him to seem less menacing. Hiding Gungnir as a walking stick and his ravens in the tatoos made him seem unarmed. But every step of his interactions with Kratos and Atreus until the Tyr incident was choreographed. Always poking to find chinks in their ego, types of manipulation they were susceptible towards, personality patterns read by Heimdall, observing combat tactics. Odin knew what a danger and anomaly Kratos was, so he had to control every detail.

Very good portrayal of what a narcissistic patriarch does to a family

I know how it ends yet i still cant help but love his character

@@aaronsalim1904 Same

truly an inspiration

The scariest kind of villain for me.

Brok is the fucking man, and so is Sindri, I felt so so bad for him, they did such a good job with this game

miss him fr

And somehow odin misses that and responds like nothing happened

@@instalocktaka9628I can excuse that because it’s his actual, official title as ruler of Asgard. You don’t second guess a title you’ve worn for centuries.

Holy shit... Your right, I knew something was up when Thor wasn't drinking in the beginning. And then when Odin slammed the drink in front of him, I had some inclination of what was going on. This is a very important comment that solidifies that!

At 30:44 he straight up leads up to Thor relapsing because sure enough next time when Atreus goes to Thrud to find Thor, he’s in the bar chugging mead

So technically, Kratos prevented Thor from relapsing there... before Odin walked in and ruined him.

In the statements before he lied in those too. “His father killed your boys, your daughter is free to make mistakes on her own” when he’s the one who sent 2 lesser gods he claimed were “useless” when baldur couldn’t finish the jobs. And he sent Thor’s daughter with Atreus, while also sending Heimdall with them too, what is the point of taking Heimdall AND Thors daughter, unless he knew that she too would make a mistake so he wouldn’t blame Atreus alone

odin is so annoying

"bout time"

@@male20yearsold(WHAM) _I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!_ You’re not from here; we got a tradition called BLOOD PAYMENTS! It means I get a piece of you for what you took from my family! *_YOU’LL PICK IT UP!_*

He makes a similar mistake while disguised as Tyr. When they find the prophecy of Ragnarok, he walks right into Atreus because he was on his right.

​@@lucaswilliams2292 really? Can u give me the timestamp?

@@Centaur1991 it’s not in this video

Can you explain what that means ?

​​@@SoccercrazyigbomanKnowledge is gained through others and experiences, Wisdom is gained from reflecting on that knowledge thus learning a lesson. You can give someone knowledge, but they can only gain wisdom if they reflect on and learn from the knowledge gained.

@@Soccercrazyigboman see the above comment did not give you wisdom best example.

Judging from his genuine rage and combat lines, yeah. He really wished to obtain such knowledge.

That’s how great villains are written; when you recognize that the character who you’re supposed to hate possesses the same intrinsic qualities that you do, you become connected and the outcome of the narrative feels personal. Whether or not the villain’s actions are possible or likely to manifest in the real world is another matter. By exposing ourselves to the parts of us that lie beneath the surface, we become more holistic and aware human beings- I think this is the foremost value of literature and art.

It's my theory that whatever Odin saw in the Tear made him an extremist for knowledge. He was a hungry psychopath for understanding before the Tear. He was *rabid* afterwards. If Atreus had looked into it, the prophecy about Kratos dying and Loki serving Odin would have come true. There's nothing to prove this, just my thinking.

If Atreus had put on the mask then Athena would have finally be free cause that mask is from Greece i translated the words Atreus said that was on the mask and it translates to Greek.

​@@luukstofberg7571what? I never actually Heard of this, this May be a new theory, maybe with Kratos coming something from his Land came with him, and since hes from there he can defy fate, since he isnt supposed to be there he can change things and he did, maybe some of the remaining gods in Olympus Will come After him and encounter freya and the others, i also noticed in a vase from Greece tyr had It shown a pillar/Building being rebuilt meaning Greece was rebuilt, and that vase dated a couple centuries after Kratos left, i believe in the next game we Will know more about what Is happening in greece now

Holes?

Yup lol 😂😂​@sushibanana4070

Do BAFTAs acknowledge gaming performances

Considering that Mimir is Puck, he's bound to have some great roasts

​@@squigglydickley1851 Brok actually said it first earlier in the game

Funny enough, the guy who plays Mimir also played a version of Odin in an episode of The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.

Mimir: That one's for Brok!

lmfao

After watching this again. He rarely refers to his family as family, more their roles (tracker, closer killer etc) Hell I didn't even know Heimdall was his son till I did some reading.

@@Lunardivider24 Wait Heimdall is his son!?!

@@xgaming2427 yup, at least in all other mythology sources. Though he is never said to be or not to be his son in game.

@@Lunardivider24 Heimdall is his son.

@@ZayToDiffrent I know, but do does anyone in game state that?

It's the trick to manipulation. A sprinkle of lies mixed in with the truth.

This is a great comment. Few people realize that the truth can be weaponized

And Heimdall...?

Baldur was also a killing machine. His curse made him unkillable and nearly unstoppable even Kratos's spartan rage couldn't enough to beat Baldur's invisibility.

​@@Sun-God2 "He reads minds for me."

Indeed. Thor is broken, Odin is pure evil

The Jotuun: what do we do Thor? Thor: *grabs his hammer*

Wouldn't work. The whole point of the Faye arc was her line about how grieving allows you to love fully and open your heart to others. Odin responds to Heimdall's death by brushing it off and focusing on his magic rift; his problem of existential angst is tied to the fact that he has nothing to do with himself, as a narcissist who loves nothing except himself, but he's unwilling to look inward and instead wants to blame some outside obstacle or problem. The Norns couldn't help him because he doesn't want to hear the truth: that fate isn't real in any cosmic sense, but if you refuse to change and just keep making the same mistakes, then of course your fate becomes obvious and inevitable. Odin being a controlling narcissist that dominates and abuses the Nine Realms makes it inevitable they would turn against him in war, and considering how he treats his own family as chess pieces, even winning Ragnarok would set someone in Asgard against him eventually. Fighting fate is easy; fighting your own nature is not. But Kratos does it, even Thor does it; only Odin refuses at every opportunity, so his fate stays the same.

Zeus loved all. Metaphorically and very much physically.

Another one of odins manipulations

An interesting interpretation. I never interpreted his actions as being motivated in any way by guilt, rather each action given context and purpose solely in the self-enclosed bubble of his megalomania. His relationship to every character in the game, including his own family, was strictly pragmatic. He saw his own actions as being motivated by pursuit of higher purpose, and justified “compassion” and “tolerance” of other’s poor behavior primarily Through that motivation. Ironic that all the dysfunction and lack of self-awareness which caused his plans to become so convoluted were in no part thanks to his inability to understand and relate to others. The beauty of this irony is found in the poignancy of his saying, “I will never change. I must know […]” indicating the complete lack of self awareness that compelled his fate to be sealed by prophecy. His death was inevitable only because he was unwilling or unable to change himself; he sealed his fate from the beginning in his inability to see that his desire for absolute power over others was a toxic one that had inspired the systematic dysfunction passed from each generation to the next that he sought to mitigate and control. It was never his fault, always other’s. Love this game.

@@owfan4134: “Wisdom comes when you stop looking for it, and start living the life the Creator intended for you.” -Native American Proverbs

Wisdom does not equate knowledge. A smart and knowledgeable man knows a tomato is a fruit. A wise one doesn't add it in fruit salad.

Wisdom is learned with reading and life experience

Interesting take but I doubt it. He was acting on fear. Fear of there being nothing after dies he wanted to know if there was a after life for a god. He even states it

Zeus is a man of thunderbolts.

Tyr is stil alive if finish the game and you go to nilfihiem theres a asgardian prison that has the real tyr

@@TGC656he meant fake tyr

Kind of odd for odin to tell thor not to keep kratos alive. Hes the greek godkiller, it would be much safer for him if kratos died.

@@gaminggaming.6071 Atreus is absolutely crucial to his plan, and he'd never help Odin if Thor killed Kratos.

@@KingGamerz293 "I know I'm missing the point but I want someone to think I'm knowledgeable "

The thing is, Odin was mentally ill. A pure psychopath, and a pathological liar. There's no "reason" he turned this way; he was born this way.

​@@ysgramornorris2452terrible way to put it, you can overcome things like that

​@@avalokiteshvara113Maybe, but it's extremely difficult when you lack empathy to such a degree as Odin does. He's too singular minded, as well.

You basically described the Mind of Psychopath

Psychopath Behavior: behavior that conflicts with social norms; disregarding or violating the rights of others; inability to distinguish between right and wrong; difficulty with showing remorse or empathy; tendency to lie often manipulating and hurting others; recurring problems with the law; general disregard toward safety and responsibility; expressing anger and arrogance on a regular basis

Its the other cup he just chugs both of them down like a champ

These are the most Dangerous type of Enemy

Thats bc the crows are odin.

Odin is actually mimir in disguise. The real mimir is still inside of a tree. We will find him in the next game

@@ToneLuck-up3uqno he isnt, are you insane?

No, it comes back to Kratos because Brok and Sindri enchanted it to return to its wielder's hand when called.

@@ysgramornorris2452 yeah but I mean, Faye is the owner, not Kratos. What if that's the reason Kratos is recognized as the axe wielder, because Faye placed herself inside it

@@goldbristow7239what if nothing. It was made to counter mjolnir and had the recall function similar to mjolnir when Faye had it. It does not have her soul, period.

@@joselazo6840 yeah, but other weapons have instilled with souls after they were made as well. Like Ingrid the sword, or fenrir's soul in Atreus' knife.

​@@goldbristow7239sounds like you've been watching my fav utuber CookingKratos. @CookongWithKratos

Do you have proof?

@@The_wick45 its more of "I wish" kinda moment. Sorry for the misunderstanding chad.

@Tacoandmemelover ohhhhh thanks for clearing that up I totally see what you meant now

Perhaps but my guess is he Kratos goes to Asia first

I kinda want to see a king of the Gods that isn't evil for a change. There are other characters within Egyptian mythology that could fill the role of antagonist