Thanks for this. I keep coming back to it.

Thanks Zappa. Alan was on another level entirely and it is amazing that he wasn't more popular than what he was, indicating that mankind's taste overall in the last 30 or so years leaves much to the imagination.

Th bassist from yellowjackets!!!!!

Thank you so much I have listened to it every six month since, Still makes me speechless!

A million views!? Soooo deserved! Great job man!

The island is San Michele, in Venice… Stravinsky is next to Diaghilev.

When you say someone is “ahead of their time“ you imply that thanks move in a ever improving progression as time goes on. This is not true. Pop music today is sort of an all time low. Most of it made by computer and auto tune singer. Allan was not the head of this time he just was really really good at music theory And knew when to put in different scales, modes, ninth 11th and 13th Notes. Unfortunately since a lot of these are 32th notes it’s hard for the average person to even hear what’s going on

When was this show recorded?

I didn't see you there ?

I remember that bar. SO lucky

I’ve been to Chuy’s to see many shows, included Alan with Gary Husband and Jimmy Johnson. Also played on that stage. Tempe has such a vibrant music scene in the 80s and especially, the 90s.

Finally someone who understands that Dancers to a discordant system is a bloody masterpiece. I've been listening to it since the day it got released, and i still feel the same shock and disbelief everytime I hear it. It's greater than anything ever produced in the metal genre. Yes i know its a bold statement, but the people who understood the song can't disagree with me.

I'd never heard of that band, let alone the track, but I searched for it. I'd (ahem) "need some time to learn to fully appreciate the overall style", but there is no denying the absolutely astonishing level of musicianship in that band, or the craftsmanship that went into putting that song together. Thanks for alerting me.

Meshuggah is lame, listen to thy catafalque :D

No u, both the bands are cool though. Catafalque sounds like all the old music I liked (Early Metalcore and Neue Deutsche Harte) put together and made fresher. I like it. Pryapisme and Animals as Leaders are also some great metal listens, though both are are earfuls, they're both uber jazzy and skip over the metal vocals that keep most people from getting into the genre.

Check out Fredrik Thordendal's (guitarist in meshuggah) solo album from 1997 titled Sol Niger Within... probably the craziest album I've even heard with a lot more fusion influences than meshuggah has brought to the table.

huge and deeply meaningful insight with this comment... thank you sir!

hey, sorry if my comment came out mushed from the keyboard... so mote it be -- really appreciate Leonard's insightful comments, and check out the 1973 rare "blues rock" link of Allan Holdsworth for this perspective.

Yes, Leonard, I understand exactly what he means and appreciate your contribution to this discussion. His music is definitely several levels beyond the 'norm'. I prefer his work with Tony Williams' Lifetime, in the 1970s. Brilliant and decades ahead of its time. :-)

Complimentary Mates collected here brewing up a gourmet offering of top shelf fretboard/ear candy!

It's a shithole. Allan's music is one of the few things that make it worth sticking around a little bit longer.

Well I tried Uranus and that was also a lotta fun.

String theory musicianship. Allan's still playing somewhere in the quantum cosmos.

He's a guy that thougth himself to play, making a different approach on the guitar, that he wouldn't have if he had a strict teacher. I think that's why it makes him so unique and that's why zappa liked him. His whole chord progression oddities came from that, i think. Instead of a normal approach that he would have with a teacher, as all musicians are educated the same way on musical theory, he did it himself. Sorry for the bad english, there's a video that he talks about that, that he wouldn't take lessons from his dad and would study by himself, making a whole new world of music just from distancing from regular education.

excellent comment, hats off

What key is he in , oh what key, he can playanything and make it sound majical

No way, Feyman liked Holdsworth? Source?

Fred has ALWAYS been my favorite song from the first time I heard it in My Father's Place!! Killer!!!

Pasqua absolutely nails it

Yes, you surely nailed it with this comment. AH, and the whole band are a their colossal peak here.

Does it take a mechanic to appreciate a bnice car? Does it take a painter to appreciate Van Gogh?

I've never seen anyone do what he does, in THAT capacity. And damn, I have seen just about the best there ever was. Excluding the guys that were gone before I was old enough to see them. Who else does this sort of thing?

Thanks. I thought that was him but wasn’t sure.

If we practice hard enough, we will meet him in the other-worlds. There we will be able to jam and learn with the masters for as long as we wish

@@TheRealSorav Great comment. You’re on my list to jam with too bro.

Thinking the same thing

Agrée! One of the most underrated drummers out there. It’s always about the music with Chad. One must remember he sat in with FZ after Terry and Vinnie…check out the interview with Zappa’s drummers on KZfaq - Chad, Terry, Ruth, Chester and Ralph. It really conveys how deep of a musician Chad W. is!

Chad is from all markets.

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Más de acuerdo imposible, Gustavo. Hay que escucharlo semanalmente, por lo menos.

Zappa’s hatchery… You said it all ! My all-time-favorite album/masterpiece is UK with two of Alan’s compositions “Nevermore” and “Mental Medication”. That was first time I heard Alan (1978) and immediately the world wasn’t the same anymore :)

My now departed friend,Rob France(drummer),used to talk about Chad,now that I've checked this out I see (hear) why.Also,Allen is unique to say the least!

Long live the King

+Ed Kawalec I have seen AH, more than once, and yes, they were fantastic experiences. Best Wishes :)

ecomomy of motion in absolute perfection. like Messi with a football…

Frank Black - it's a deep goldmine that he left behind. I just hope he got how important his legacy was going to be......

Lucky you!

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You did a marvelous job sir-thank you!

I was at this show, and it was amazing. I bought the DVD. You guys did a fantastic job. I've followed Allan since Believe It came out, got to meet him many times at gigs and NAMM. He, and all he surrounded himself with, are a gift to humanity. Thank you ERR, and for Allan, may the eternal winds of cosmic musical joy forever fill your sails

Great job!

Jon Snow how did you say "was" before he died"? #ripinthematrix

less educated people..... so the opposite, its matter of taste and music knowledge

Не парься. Ты что, не знал, что попсовиков подавляющее большинство на Земле? Do not worry. Do not you know that fans of pop music are the overwhelming majority in the world.?

At least Bon Jovi make simple but decent music unlike Lady Gaga and all that mainstream crap we hear today. I wont complain at all if music such as Bon Jovi's becomes mainstream.

I think Lady Gaga is an incredible musician. I wouldn't even group her with most pop musicians. She has a great voice

@@s1iznc1d34 Very ignorant comment on your part. There was so much more than dissonance in his compositions.

@@s1iznc1d34 Well, for one, I don't think you know a whole lot about jazz and what it's all about. Most jazz isn't supposed to be about a recognizable melody, it's about the improvisation, the harmonic content, in some cases the rhythmic complexity. Allan's music was full of dense harmony and wacky scales, bit it was far from dissonant. Chromatic, sure, but because of the chords he played over, it wasn't really dissonant. Also, a lot of modern jazz is dissonant, that's kind of a given. To me, every time I listen to one of his improvisations, I find something new and fresh. He was very methodical, he wasn't just playing random notes. He also was extremely technical yet still played with a lot of feel. If you want to see other music that sounds like Allan, look no further than the likes of Coltrane and Ornette coleman. Very different music to what you're probably used to, but it'll give you a taste of similar music to Allan's, that is super influential for jazz now.

@@s1iznc1d34 You obviously ignored what I actually said instead of actually listening. First off, I should've specified that the type of jazz that Allan played wasn't supposed to be about the melody. He played a sort of mix between free and fusion jazz. It was about the improvisation. That was the focus of the music. They would improvise over a melody, or over the harmony of said melody. Also, you keep saying he was random, but that's simply not true. Everything he did was methodical and purposeful. The "wacky scales" I mentioned are scales such as the Messiaen modes, the diminished scale, whole tone scale, and several scales Allan made up himself that don't repeat up the octave, have several chromatic notes, and are either very rarely used or were only used by him. Technically, yes, his music was dissonant in many places, but not in a bad way. It wasn't random. It was always done to evoke emotion. It was just complex jazz harmony, and not even as complex as it gets. It's not easy for people who aren't used to it to listen to it, but it makes sense and is interesting. There is also a lot of chromaticism in his music, but they are all sort of "blue notes" to get from one chord to another, or to make the already pretty dense harmony even denser. You're being even more ignorant in saying that he focused on trying to look impressive. He didn't need to try. He was impressive. Extremely proficient at his instrument, and a harmonic genius. The more I read your comments, the more I get the feeling that you don't who I'm talking about when I say Coltrane or Ornette Coleman. Either that, or you think the same things about them as you do about Allan Holdsworth.

@@s1iznc1d34 Nowhere did I say I'm an expert, but I did say you were ignorant. You are still being blissfully ignorant and overly biased, and have nothing to add to the conversation. I have a pretty small ego, but get extremely annoyed when someone like you comes along. Whatever, I don't have any will to keep trying to make you see the truth. Have a great day

@@isaacthecorncob People who denigrate Allan Holdsworth's music have never even sat down to listen to any of his records in it's entirety. If they had, they wouldn't be. They'd be stupefied by the profound melodic/harmonic beauty that they would discover.

Funny, because 6/8 is one of my favorite time signatures! 5/4 is really nice as well. Hiatus Kaiyote’s Rose Water from their 2021 LP Mood Valiant is in 5/4. I prefer hearing and feeling 6/8 though.

Lucky you

The more I listen to Holdsworth improvising his way through endless chord progressions and using every scale ever invented, plus some of his own, the more it sounds like an entire and complete alien language being spoken.

@@polbecca I wish sometimes that there was another habitable planet in the Solar System for people like Alan, Pat, Chick and for their followers/listeners/aficionados… Where music of this sort was a mainstream…

Não são desse mundo ,alienígenas

Sverrisson

Chad Wackerman!!!!

outstandingly well performed, recorded, synchronized, mixed, presented. that's how it's done

@@NeilRaouf Okay I get all that. Now where can I purchase a copy ???

andy owen i assume you know shawn lane,....

andy owen you should thank your dad for his " force" :)

andy owen Homophobic?

He's a genius regardless of anyone's opinion. How many others can do what he does... maybe no one ?

+Darrylizer1 haha, he looks like a 20 year old kid in this video.. but with the rudimentary skills of someone three times that.

+Darrylizer1 Hahaha that is hilarious. Also he murdered Basil Hallward and is smoking opium in his free time

lol - Chad Dorian Wackerman

Haha! And somewhere close by are timeless master recordings he played on that are as fresh as the first drums he performed on them all. What a talent Chad is ...

Loved it !

Good music ideas should make you laugh.... I know for sure I've written a riff well if it makes me laugh....

Nice way of putting it😊