Stop tryna win on turn 3, and I won’t have to stax you

Oops that was my bad. I had a mess of a board and forgot I was hiding that thing under all my other stuff.

5:55 - first token, 8:11 - second token, 9:50 - third token, 10:10 - attacks with 2. I guess it works out but super confusing.

I didn't have an extra token so I had a flipped over card sleeve representing the summoning sick token. It's a bit tough to see on my playmat. I used that sleeve to represent the summoning sick token each turn and added dice to the real token to represent the ones that could then swing.

I'm a bit confused on the question. Are you referring to Jordan paying for the strict proctor tax so that his kodama trigger would resolve, allowing him to put a permanant into play?

@@Sliver_Boi I think he is asking why he would pay 2 mana to put a 1 mana card into play

@@Sliver_Boi What Griffin said. I don't recall him using the mana for anything, so it might not have mattered. If he wanted an extra land drop or a card with MV higher than 2, I understand denying the trigger, but at 1 or 0 MV it would seem to be better to let the ability get triggered and just naturally play the card. All that to ask, was it an intentional choice, did it matter, or xyz?

@@dantebeleren oh gotcha. Not sure exactly what he was thinking with that. Probably just a new card problem, rushed the play and didn't think about the mana desparity with the play

There was a rhystic study and a mystic remora in play which the kodama trigger dodged nicely

I totally agree with you when you say that Fish/Consult is not semi- or "casually" competitive. It is simply the strongest wincon in cEDH and should not be played in a environment called "semi-competitive". I only disagree when you say that usually the games are very fun. Want to know the reason? Usually Fish/Consult nearly always wins here. Even in one of the Tribal-Episodes, at the end you saw Thassas Consultation make the "Merfolk-Tribe" (Tymna=Merfolk) winning. It's just so fucking boring.

Nope, unless something triggers, afaik

Yes, you can respond to moving from one step or phase to another. Like if you wanted to tap down someone’s creatures before combat you could react to passing from main phase to combat

@@Giga-lemesh you can’t respond to the cleanup step tho unless a trigger goes off right

justinisorange yeah each player gets priority during end step, but cannot respond to cleanup

The exact wording of the narration is incorrect. But I assume it means as soon as he got priority after the Sygg trigger resolved in his end step, he chose to cast Vampiric.

kodama vial smasher is blue-less.

@@xAnonymousss pyroblast still exists to at least stop fish

@@Starkipraggy he did have pyroblast on his list, what a missplay

He doesn’t have any mana open to cast the pyroblast

same, but, and I quote, the RC "doesn't give a fuck about thassa's oracle because [they] don't see it in [their] games, and if you play against one you can rule 0 it." In other words, the RC fucking sucks. I'm in their discord server just to get TO banned, and even they have admitted that TO is a problematic card, that it's unfair to play against, and that it's not fun; even if I have proven that the card violates most of the lines they have on why a card should be banned, and even if it sees both play in both cEDH and casual EDH as a lame easy way to win, the RC has said exactly what I quoted at the beginning. That they don't care about thassa's oracle. They have told me that they only care and ban carda that they see in their own play group, and since their playgroup is casual, and they think thassa's oracle can't see casual play, they don't care. Besides, they always use the lame excuse of "you can always rule 0 the card" which is ridiculous... Tbh, after the walking dead secret lair when they proved they are in wizard's pocket, i wish wizards took control of the commander ban list once and for all... Wizards even saw the problem in historic and already banned her, yet the RC wants to keep it "rule 0"... Thassa's oracle is absolute bullshit, the RC knows it, and they dont care, and that makes me mad. I mean, if the card should stay on the battlefield for its effect to count but no.... I *really* hope the RC use their last 2 brain cells and ban it already...

"As this enters" is a replacement effect, not a trigger.

@@NMS127 thanks. Wasnt sure about it

does it count as an etb trigger if it happens 'as' it enters not 'when' it enters? I don't think they go on the stack the same way

It's an "as it enters" static ability, not a triggered ability.

Nah Toxic Deluge only applies to the creatures on the battlefield when it resolves. Much like Finale of Devastation or Craterhoof but reverse.

It’s not that it’s bad, it’s that it’s constant. Of all the win conditions that we’ve been shown, this is been the most frequent and as viewers we have grown tired of it. We’ve been over exposed to it and now that it comes up again we have a bad taste in our mouths

@@Closer2Zero it's the best wincon, what do you expect

exactly my thoughts... here's my reply from another comment same, but, and I quote, the RC "doesn't give a fuck about thassa's oracle because [they] don't see it in [their] games, and if you play against one you can rule 0 it." In other words, the RC fucking sucks. I'm in their discord server just to get TO banned, and even they have admitted that TO is a problematic card, that it's unfair to play against, and that it's not fun; even if I have proven that the card violates most of the lines they have on why a card should be banned, and even if it sees both play in both cEDH and casual EDH as a lame easy way to win, the RC has said exactly what I quoted at the beginning. That they don't care about thassa's oracle. They have told me that they only care and ban carda that they see in their own play group, and since their playgroup is casual, and they think thassa's oracle can't see casual play, they don't care. Besides, they always use the lame excuse of "you can always rule 0 the card" which is ridiculous... Tbh, after the walking dead secret lair when they proved they are in wizard's pocket, i wish wizards took control of the commander ban list once and for all... Wizards even saw the problem in historic and already banned her, yet the RC wants to keep it "rule 0"... Thassa's oracle is absolute bullshit, the RC knows it, and they dont care, and that makes me mad. I mean, if the card should stay on the battlefield for its effect to count but no.... I *really* hope the RC use their last 2 brain cells and ban it already...

Honestly, the main reason people have massive issue with thoracle in cedh/high power imo is because people dont main board stifle/etb hate. Stifle effects are just good to have in general, especially if they are a part of normal counterspells, like with void slime, tales end, and whirlwind denial. Tocatli honor guard, hushbringer, and the 3 drop one with flash all stop etb triggers. If you know you are playing on high power, and it doesnt stop your own deck, id suggest main boarding them because of the prevalence of thoracle so you have a chance against it, while also having the ability to deal with other pesky triggers as well. You know it is very strong, so build differently to play in the meta until it gets dealt with by being banned Just my opinion tho

@@quentonmcclure8233 if you dont see how problematic TO is with that...