Thats how I felt with Halo 3 ODST the jazziest Halo game of all.

YES!

So I didn’t get to mention this in the abbreviated version (I cut like 25 min from the long version lol) but sax is my main instrument. So I was obviously happy to hear that since it’s by far the easiest for me to play. And I keep hearing that about Halo 3, should I do a reaction/breakdown to it? I hear it’s amazing and only know like 3 Halo themes.

@@ZeldaMusicTheory Listen to the Halo 3 ODST sound track. It aged like a very fine wine

I have to say, the saxophone was really off-putting to me. I’m slowly warming up to it.

YESSSSSSS!!!!! Oh my goodness, I heard this after I finished editing and posted, and I drove me crazy because I DIDN’T CATCH IT until after. Such an amazing theme combination and probably says something about Zelda and Link working together. Someone pointed that out about Spirit Tracks. Gotta be one of the coolest things in here and I’m SO glad you mentioned it. Let’s GOoo!!! People like this one up to the very top!

@@ZeldaMusicTheoryOOOOOO THAT’S A GOOD POINT The musical references are very Link Zelda oriented…. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm PLAYABLE ZELDAAAAA I’M 90% SURE AND ON HIGH COPIUM THE EVIDENCE IS THERE lol

Watched the trailer so many times how didn't I catch that haha

@@thespeedyyoshi No... please... don't give me hope...

@@thespeedyyoshiZELDA PLAYABLE CONFIRMEDDDDD

I loved Spirit Tracks so much

The composer for Spirit Tracks was the main composer for BOTW and this. They're sooooo good.

Spirit tracks has somehow become one of my favorite Zelda games over time

People don't like it because its not a home console Zelda so they didn't play it and rather than being left out, they just say it sucked and isn't worth playing. Or they get Phantom Hourglass mixed up with it.

Wow I’m SO glad you’re pointing this out. I made a joke about Spirit Tracks like 1 video ago and someone said. “Hm. You like Zelda and Music and DON’T like Spirit Tracks?” I didn’t mean to knock it, just to say it cannot be compared to the hype of TOTK as a sequel. But evidently it was AMAZING! And GetterRay’s comment summarizes it for me. I only really like the games I played. That leaves out any handheld console and even Skyward Sword I never played. (Also SS had amazing music like Fi’s Theme). Maybe I should react to and breakdown music from Spirit Tracks. Let me know what the best songs are!

WOW, first of all THANK YOU (meaning every single one of your reading this comment and watching my videos) SO MUCH! Secondly, this comment could have been written by me. That’s what’s wild. I’m the same as you guys, I just love Zelda music and want to see it better recognized. And there’s a HUGE following, I truly don’t understand why “Zelda Music Theory” didn’t already exist. But Somebody’s gotta do it, and I happen to have a degree in music and rather than practicing my sax and study, I just tinkered on a piano and taught myself Zelda songs 🤣🤣🤣 This is now my only musical outlet, and my wife is sick and tired of me calling out in movies “That’s Dorian Mode!” I am SUPER grateful to have others who appreciate it too. Props to Nintendo and the amazing composers, not just Koji Kondo but all of them, for giving us so much to appreciate. And thanks for your comment!!!

Love it

I think I’m afraid of pronouncing it 😅 (“Are-who??”)

“Air who”

@@ZeldaMusicTheory yep, that’s the right way to say it

The erhu really symbolizes Zelda. The fact that it’s such a key component and melody in the totk main theme symbolizes that this game revolves around Zelda and her story

I’ve heard that a couple times now, will be interesting to learn more about. And I love those drums. A ton of stuff got cut from the full version. Had to keep this one engaging. Hopefully a week or two and I’ll release the long version (like 45 min lol)

I think you should do A, analyze the theme from the gameplay demonstration, because yes, it's absolutely sick 🔥

All of them sound cool, but I’d choose C

Evene though I am a big Zelda fan I would choose C as I have watched theses types of machines on yt and would love a breakdown of how it work. Sounds really interesting!!!🤓

A. Mostly because TOTK content is really taking off now, so if you manage to get a grip on the Zelda fans your channel would do pretty well. Also you said that you have a longer version, and I'd say you should release it while this video is still getting popular, so that people who'd want more has something to check out, whilst also increasing your view time so you can monetize.

It’s soooo good. Gotta do the gameplay demonstration theme soon.

The music is so good

Exactly. Everyone seems to mention the music but not really break it down. And that’s like what I do 🤣 Like it’s my calling

I know, me neither! It’s amazing.

Oh my gosh couldn’t have said this better myself. It’s amazing.

Let’s go, you were a step ahead of me on this one. I saw it on another comment section and was like, Wait really? Then I heard it and was like OMGosh totally! It was very cool. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was thrown in as a little Easter egg.

Hahaha awesome thank you so much!

Oh I think Zeltik broke that down in his video. That’s crazy, no idea how you guys decode it. I’ve never looked into it. Thanks for commenting! Wait… So that could be like, a Time Machine?? Hmmm… 🤔

No that's paradolia. I keep hearing it as "but you can't." Does that mean that it's gonna end with link dying and Ganon taking over Hyrule? Stupid dumb dumb, you cant take shit like that as evidence when it's not even in English.

And everyone is pointing out that the elevator says transport, could be a time travel mechanism? And then someone from the future? Hmmmm. Amazing stuff!

My sister says the exact same thing, she loves the instrumentals there.

Absolutely! Yeah I actually watched Zach Heyde’s a liked it, and later saw one with just images and music, but didn’t feel this video had been created yet. It took me over a week but here it is. Thanks for watching! This space really needs someone covering it consistently.

Unfortunately, many people who bring up the Final Lokomo song only show the recital part of it where Zelda mimics Link's part instead of doing her own. When you listen to the full song (or the 2nd half of the recital) it firmly plants this reference as the motif references zelda's last 3 notes going into the 5 notes mentioned in the video. It's 100% the final lokomo song with that additional context

@@kirby2809 bro thats the main zelda theme of course its in the twilight princess title theme

Abdeo03 WOOOOWWWW So I kept reading comments about the sax theme being the voices and didn’t understand. Yeah, I’ll definitely need a video explaining and maybe playing it. And I think I get most of the references. And YESSS I found that Zelda’s Lullaby connection immediately after Link’s Overworld theme RIGHT after I finished editing and posted it. And I was contemplating how I was going to make that pert clear. Need another video now 🤣 Thanks so much for your detailed comment! You get a ticket to the party 😃s

dragontamer108 can you send me a link to that part on yt? I would love to research it more and hear what you’re talking about. Time references always help. Thanks so much!

@@ZeldaMusicTheory im not the best with musical notations but i'll do what i can kzfaq.info/get/bejne/brRiZMul1p7QiIU.html This is the full version of the Final Lokomo theme, which is referenced ,as mentioned, right at the beginning of the trailer at 0:36 here. Instead of the first few seconds where Zelda is reciting Link's half of the duet, if you skip to the 3rd and 4th refrains of the song, starting at around 0:24 in the above video, Zelda starts to do her side of the duet instead of Link's while still isolated from the rest of the music. Here, the important notes are the final 3 of her line, the final note being where Link starts to play his side of the duet on the pan flute, overlapping with Zelda's held note. Later on, when the cutscene starts after a successful recital, at 0:42 in the video, the game takes over Link's control to let the song play, allowing you to hear both sides as they were meant to be heard. Combining the 3 ending notes of Zelda's, along with the 5 notes of Link's, with the overlapping note in the center, you get the exact 7 notes used in the trailer, more or less, with little more than a change in Rubato making a difference Unfortunately due to the wonky controls of DS Microphones combined with simultaneous dragging of the touch screen, there are not a lot of good instances of the full motif during the Recital part without all the other Lokomos starting to join in and muddy the audio waves. However i did manage to find one instance that does a pretty good job, which i will link here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b62InZR5yLadZIk.html starting from the start of the Recital

Thanks for commenting!

Hahahaha it honestly was totally unfair of me since I have never played either of them. And I loved WindWaker growing up. But it was just a light tease, and really intended to be a “was there more hype for those sequels or THIS sequel” comparison. There have only been a handful of Zelda sequels ever, and Z2 and Majora’s Mask were both made like 1 yer after. This one took 6 LONG years. It had better be good 😬😃

Music holds the power to surpass language, unlock doors, change moods- that’s the message Zelda brings by making it integrated into gameplay as an item. Game designers for Zelda hold music in the highest regard.

Thanks so much! I’ll see if I can get it out next weekend. Still lots of editing 🤣 And what an amazing trailer and game.

Let’s gooo, you and me both. I’m just a Zelda fan who nerds out on music and I’m trying really hard to create entertaining videos to connect with others who are also interested. Can’t wait

Thanks so much!

Thanks so much! High praise and I appreciate it.

Let’s Gooo. That was the goal- pursue what I’M passionate about, and hopefully others will resonate with it. I’m glad Zelda music has had such a presence and a following. It’s amazing.

Let’s gooo!

Wow you are totally right. Good call! I should have said shoutout to the editor. You know it’s like linemen in the NFL. When they do the best job no one talks about them. I’m sure editing goes way under-appreciated. I began editing in the last 6 months for my own videos, so I can appreciate what you do! It’s by far the most time consuming part. It pained me to film this video last week and then just sit on the footage while all these other videos are popping up. But first commitment is to quality, I’ll never put out something I don’t believe in. Thanks!

Really! Did you get it when I stopped and said… recognize this? Or was it when the video actually played the theme? Also I didn’t know this one, I had to research a bit to see what other themes I missed and believe it or not this was the first one I missed. It’s pretty cool that it’s in the same key. I think it was a secret little Easter egg but not necessarily intended to convey any significance in the new game. Maybe some Link/Zelda stuff.

Totally agree

Thanks so much! I spent like 6 months filming and scrapping the film because it kinda sucked 😅 But that’s how you improve. Try it, if you’re not happy with it go back and try again. I like this video’s pace and style. Hopefully I can do more like this that are more of a reaction/breakdown than a scripted story or essay style. Those take like twice as long lol.

Thanks so much!

listening at it more I think they first had in mind to do the main theme in that sax part in its entirety and later in the composition they felt like it fit better after the ganondorf theme. also the age of calamity is heard again when riju says "but you are not alone"

Nice! I will listen for that. Thanks for the comments!

Thanks so much! That one was stuck in my head like 5-10 min and I was like WAIT It’s the 25th anniversary just in that one moment lol. I was just glad it’s in the first like 10 min 🤣 And probably not intentional from the composer, just a connection I made.

​@@ZeldaMusicTheory Oh, I have no doubt that it was intentional, the chord progession was identical and it really gives the music a different effect, its not as "elegant and pretty" as the normal progression goes, and instead excensuates this feeling of "resolute heroism" which I think is just really dope

Bonjour! Thanks for watching!

Thank you so much! Legit one of the nicest compliments I’ve gotten, much appreciated. 🙏🏽

Thanks so much! I actually am my own channel’s biggest fan 🤣 Well I should rephrase- every video I put out is like a love letter to the composers who shaped my childhood. And the things I’m drawing together are so impactful to me, I hope they are for other people as well. I hope you enjoy the others and let me know what you think!

Let’s gooo. Much more to come

Oh my gosh, that’s amazing! Was the video comparing them mine? Or another video?

Man, so I kind of hate that Mario is SO recognizable, because I’m a bigger fan of Zelda. But since Koji Kondo wrote themes for both for so long, I guess I can live with it. I do think Zelda has greater integration with music into it’s games, especially starting with Ocarina of Time, but even before that with the original and the recorder, ALTTP, etc. It’s always been amazing. WindWaker, it goes on and on.

That’s what I do 😉 And you and me both, this music is deeply moving and nostalgic. So glad others feel the same way.

Thanks so much! This one has a sequel and both have “full length” directors cuts.

ExACTly. You got it!

Byrne I miss u so much T.T

Totally makes sense and that’s a fantastic choice from Nintendo.

Just wondering, who is saying it's a suona? Is this from Nintendo? I'm 99% sure it's an alto in the beginning and tenor playing in the altissimo range later in the trailer. I'm a saxophone player/teacher. I do hear the erhu but I'd be surprised if that's a suona.

@@Tim21026 not from nintendo, just heard the suona thing and thought it made sense (at first I honestly thought it was an oboe but then I remembered nobody ever features solo oboe). I think it sounds like a suona, I may not be as experienced as you, but from my experience playing alto sax the sound is usually a bit more mellow and tends to be able to fit a little bit more in with a large band as opposed to the suona which kinda just cuts through everything. I know when playing sax you can get a lot of different tones depending on how you play, similar to this, but I haven't really heard any ost composers explicitely try to use that before (though maybe it's just because nobody really features saxes in symphony arrangement) they usually just default to "do the nice sounding smooth tone" or "do the even smoother one" if it's jazz. In any case, we're both speculating since nintendo probably doesn't care enough to confirm anything about the music, but I think my theory is a little more valid because it falls in line with the whole chinese instruments thing totk has going on. Also why do you think they would use an alto and a tenor swapping off the same line sequentially, that sounds overly complicated.

So I’m actually a sax player by trade (not a great one but I do have a degree in music and main instrument is sax). I don’t think there’s a definitive answer but knowing Nintendo I’m leaning towards suona. Could be like soprano with a jazz mouthpiece or something, it’s super bright and edgy. But I don’t think it’s alto or tenor using altissimo. I do play my sax for Directors Cut of the most recent breakdown, but as you guys will see I’m super rusty. Soft reeds and not practice so my sound isn’t as good as it once was lol. But that’s alright, it’s just for you guys to see, not a performance.

as a saxophonist, i’m quite confident that that is a alto, as both the alto was used earlier in the trailer, and the fact that it sounds very much like a saxophone. double reed instruments typically have a very distinct shrill sound, something that the soprano sax copies fairly decently, and the instrument used has a timbre much closer to that of alto altissimo than that of a suona. For many beginner saxophonists, altissimo is not something to be covered early on, yet once you spend more time listening to that register of the saxophone, the distinction between saxophone altissimo and other instruments is quite clear.

Thanks so much! Me too!

Thanks so much!

Honestly you may be right! And I saw a video by Zach Heyde that I really liked but kind of wanted my own reaction/breakdown. And everyone on his channel just begged for a 45 min long version, so I decided to go more in depth and post the shorter version first. I’m editing the longer one now. Thanks for watching!

@@ZeldaMusicTheory cool can't wait! The video I was watching was by a music producer called String Player Gamer. I'll have to check out Zach's vid.

Ah nice. I just discovered Zach, have a feeling we’d be friends 😃

I’m of the same mind, this feels like it’s supposed to be the “game to end all games” if that makes sense, from everything that’s been referenced in the trailer. But what did it for me was that the music evolved throughout trailer referencing every game.

Exactly. I talk more about those drums in the long version. But i filmed for like an hour and 8 minutes, so nobody wants all the dead space in between 🤣 This is like a condensed version of the long one. I’ll eventually edit that one together and post it.

I also loved the drum use in the trailer. To me the trailer tells a 3 part story/play, and the music is an integral part of it. I have been looking for more people to talk about it, but while others love the sax (and yes, I love it too), that Ganondorf reveal music sticks out

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ipaSqdeArZmbf40.html Mortal Struggle beneath a Blood Moon (Enemy Outpost) they remind me of some parts of this song from aoc

Yea it sounds similar

Thank you! Working on a sequel

Thanks so much! Let me know what else you want to see!!!

I know, I had to read it in. Comment, I initially missed it!

Oh my gosh, BOTW completely revitalized my love for Zelda. I never beat TP and never even played SS. This one I have sunk like 150 hours into easy

Man, what a blessing to have such a passionate and welcoming community. It’s insane.

Thanks so much!

Man, how do you all know all these foreign instruments. My wife asks me all the time- what instrument is that? And my answer is always, Idk it’s not a normal traditional European or American orchestra instrument so I’ve never played it. I literally had to learn every band or orchestra instrument as a part of my music degree. But I LOVE the instrumentation and it sounds so Japanese and amazingly fits the theme.

Dude I’m just as excited as everyone else, just more knowledgeable about music than most 😅

Absolutely!

How are you so sure that the opening of the E3 trailer wasn't also a reference to Twilight Princess?

Oh my gosh, that is SUCH a great call out. Amazing. Everyone please like this comment (from barber) because that is spot on and I totally missed it. WOWWWWWW! There’s one other that I missed, it’s a repetition of Zelda’s Lullaby RIGHT after Link’s theme See if anyone can hear it 😃

Because it doesn’t really sound like it. The only two notes in common are the second and third, G and F#. Twilight princess motif: B G F# D Botw/Totk trailer motif: E G F# D#

@@arbbr9397 alright, I'm not someone who can differentiate notes like that, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt

We chatted on the other comment but thanks for this! Check out my latest short!

Thank you so much! This video has blown up in the first 12 hours, so we’ll see where it ends up. Thanks for joining and welcome aboard!

Exactly, I want to analyze that main theme now.

Nice! I was tipped off by a comment about Spirit Tracks, I looked it up and was like “Ohhh, SNAP!” Same with Hyrule Warriors. Overall amazing trailer and music. Can’t wait for the game! Love violin too.

Really? I love Zeltik’s videos, how did that happen? In a comment?

It's crazy how many of the classic songs from Ocarina were originally in Link to the Past! Zelda's Lullaby wasn't called that at the time, but it was in LTTP. So was the Kakariko village theme for example!

I was going to say this exact thing. And I didn’t even learn that until like 3-4 years ago. There are so many that originate from there. Truly amazing History Zelda music has. Have to do a video on that at some point.

And yes I love when they end with that. Especially over a minor key. It’s kind of haunting and tense and emotional.

That could certainly be! Sky islands are such a nice details.

Thanks so much! I really hope you are still considered an “early subscriber…” Hoping to continue growing a lot in the future. Just getting started!

Hahaha thanks so much! Check out the sequel and Director’s Cuts if you enjoyed this one.

I made a similar comment! I totally agree.

Yes you are BOTH right! This is one of the few references I believe is a true reference and did not see at all. I’m so glad you guys brought it up!

Nice! We’ll probably learn more as time goes on, maybe Nintendo will shed some light or the game itself will have that chant or something. Thanks for the thoughts! Would love to see time travel and Zonai. Man this game looks amazing.

I try hard to keep the heavy language to a minimum, or at least play it on piano

Thanks so much!

Nice! I appreciate the link and time stamps. I do go listen to all of those. So this (Zelda 25th Anniversary) is a reference to the Midna’s’s Lament/Hyrule Field theme from Twilight Princes. But only the first 3 notes are the same. And someone else pointed out the the E3 Trailer for BOTW opens with a line almost exactly like it. I do think they are all very similar, it’s hard to tell which they wanted to evoke a connection to. Only the first 3 notes are identical. Could be an Easter egg but not a particularly strong one. It could be that they knew theories would pop up, but non of the themes were really significant references. Thanks for the comment!

Well that’s a great point. Could be intentional. That game is just dark and beautiful with the Twilight everywhere isn’t it?

My pleasure!

SO the chords there basically go 1, b7, b6, 5, 4(minor), 5, b6, 5 or similar (I’m simplifying and not using Roman numberals like a good music theory student would do, like bVll instead of b7… And Ballad of the Goddess goes more like 1 (minor) b7 b3 4(major) b6 b7 b6 b7. So what you’re hearing could be the similarity between the 1 b7 b6 movement. I do go into more detail in the full length video. I’ll try to edit and post that one at some point. But that 1 b7 b6 is the primary chord progression in the opening for Zelda on the NES, and also for the overworld theme. And everywhere else you look in Zelda, even b6 b7 1 in Mario. So you’re onto something 😃

@@ZeldaMusicTheory ​ ahhh that makes sense!! Thank you for the in depth response! I use to be a music major so I love geeking out over this stuff 😁 Can’t wait to see more of your content once the game comes out!

Yes! I have been saying that since I first saw the new trailer! I made a similar comment here, I have timestamps too so you can hear it. I agree

Nice! So glad you guys are helping connect the dots. This community is so strong. I don’t know much about it, just threw it in to ask. I did attempt to find an answer before but found nothing concrete. I’ll go check it out!

100%

Thank you so so much!

I go back and forth... it sounds soooo much like an alto sax but my ear expects that when I hear reeded instruments in that register. It very well could be a suona, I had no idea they could bend pitches like that, the timbre just sounds sax to me. But wow, that's really cool thanks for sharing the video link

@@kj_H65f Well, in my opinion it definitly doesn't sound like a saxophone at all (I play saxophone myself so I hope my ears aren't too bad on that lol) But regardless, it's a great cover and I love discovering traditional and uncommon instruments. Thank's for sharing!

​@@wawan3961 sorry I think I meant soprano. It sounds so much like the sound Kenny G could make.

Wow. So my main instrument is actually saxophone and I have a degree in music (not that that makes me an expert necessarily). Never heard of the instrument but it certainly could be. The vibrato is much more wild. Timbre sounds very similar. So opening of the trailer 100% alto sax. Main theme… sounds to me like a soprano sax with a jazz mouthpiece and a soft reed 🤣 But there’s also a lot that goes on in post production, so who knows. I’d love to hear an official answer from Nintendo. Worth noting the Gameplay Demonstration Theme we were all calling “main theme’ for a while sounds like an alto sax with a regular classical mouthpiece to me. And very different than that soprano or Shona sound. Thanks for commenting!

Thanks so much!

Oh my gosh, I missed SOOO much. Sequel in the works