Funny enough Fujibayashi already worked on the Oracle of Ages games when the Happy Mask Salesman debuted in Ocarina of Time! :)

Happy Mask Salesman is based off Shigeru Miyamoto

​@@chrislevack405checks out he definitely traumatized alot of kids by allowing majoras mask to hit store shelves, very bold but smart move

i’m not sure it’s true necessarily but i think this theory is super interesting to think about

​@@crunchysalmonsagreed

The calamity happens in the future. The past with Sonia exists, because every time something disastrous happens, like Zelda dies, she pulls that part of the future away and into her "time" to delay the calamity. Which is exactly the reason WHY Sonia's time follows through INTO "the future", because this time's elements were inserted there. Without Sonia's power, the past ould just be another realm unrelated to the BotW/ totK world. And that's because it is Scred Realm. Sage Rauru did this same thing, it's ALWAYS been the mechanic by which Zelda timeline works, there's no convergence any more than what always was but people are treating the most recent game with myopia and bias to force into it a time travel explanation copy-pasted from MCU and Skyrim, when if it is copied from ANYWHERE then it's form Back to the Future. The green effect is accompanied with backwards music because this world FLOWS backwards, that's how Ganondorf was sealed, he was reversed next the passage of time. Similarly gold light of Stasis ALIGNS objects with the passage of time, they don't stop, they just start moving at the same speed as the world moves. Upheaval happens because the pressure of slamming this new world ONTO the Depths is reversed. That's what the blue Sheikah arrows DO, it's a refined form of the Green energy that leaves behind the spillover of Gloom and Malice, like electricity to enriched and depleted uranium with their radiation. IT's a mechanisitc explanation on how Nintendo builds gameplay to begin with, like restoring save-states across TIME in the TIMELINE of your play. And it's inspired by the 1982 TopCraft Japanese-animated film version of The Flight of Dragons, that particularly infuenced Twilight Princess and TotK, and is without a doubt the origin point where "Zelda was meant to be a sci-fi story". The UFO concept art was probably going to follow along the limestone explanation of dragon flight, transferred into Sheikah tech.

​@@sboinkthelegday3892This is just a crackpot theory or do you have any actually evidence

​@@sboinkthelegday3892....Go on

Why not? The game is vompletely enjoyable without knowing what happened before rauru

@@grossartus Because... It'd be interesting and add a lot to the universe?

@@megamannt125 i meant why doesnt it work in a video game? I think it worked perfectly, as to the story of course we all want to know more but i think the developers just makes things up as they go and try to fit the stories in what is already stablished

@@grossartus Because Nintendo probably isn't going to make a game where Hyrule gets destroyed. They usually end on a hopeful note. (Even in the case of Wind Waker)

@@grossartus I think you misread what I was suggesting. Exploring how Hyrule was destroyed before Raurus time has little to do with TOTK or its story, which is why im suggesting a novel because Nintendo likely isn't going to make a game depicting those events, especially if it involves some sort of convoluted timeline merging event that could confuse casual players.

And that is what it all comes down to. No restrictions for geniuses who want to adapt and enhance the franchise for the future. Even in Tears I felt at times that they could have changed this or perhaps replaced this from Breath. Repetition can only bring you so far.

In similar vein, I do think the timeline split could have caused the desegregation of Hyrule. And somewhere the goddesses or people decided to wish the triforce into the royal bloodline (hence being on Zelda's hand when she does any light based magic) - which may have converged the timelines. It would explain the Master Sword being lost across all timelines too - including downfall - where they know where it lies..could have disappeared.

​@@Stormrunner1981 There is merit to this theory especially when you consider the fact that the Triforce itself was the cause for all of the violence and suffering which has constantly destroyed Hyrule multiple times across the timeline for "someone" (could be the Golden Goddesses or even the Royal Family) to decide hiding the Triforce within Hylia's bloodline so that events from past games will _never_ happen again ensuring a better future for the new kingdom of Hyrule. As we see in Tears of the Kingdom Ganondorf NEVER claims the Triforce and so he never triggers the same events which lead to the timesplit in Ocarina of Time. No Triforce = no timesplits = better future

The head director of TotK indicated that there was a long history of mass destruction prior to the founding we see in TotK. Most likely meaning Old Hyrule was destroyed and Zelda's bloodline managed to survive.

Everything in the game points to this conclusion. The tunics and caps, naming of locations, the so called founding of the Kingdom of Hyrule and more.

“Or at least we were the last time I checked” makes a lot more sense now 😂

I doubt ToTK (past) could take place before _Skyward Sword_ but at least after _Skyward Sword._

While I'm not fond of the futuristic stuff, I do agree with everything else. I think the first "dragon break" we see is in Majora's Mask as if you do everything the the timelines are merged somehow to form the game's happiest, if a tad bittersweet, ending. (with the only hint on how being the mysterious goddess of time who I suspect to be Hylia/Zelda herself, due to the Master Sword being one of keys along with Ocarina of Time for controlling time and some stuff we see in Skyward Sword)

The games didn't disappear from canonicity. Canonicity was never a real concept in this franchise to begin with. Also, you're acting like the developers haven't rebooted the franchise in the past.

Complete bs

But how is the Zonai fit in to all of this?

​@@a.jthomas6132 They arrived _after_ the old timelines ended in the land that would eventually become the new kingdom of Hyrule founded by the Zonai Rauru. The Zonai arrived AFTER all the timelines took place which is why there's no information pertaining to them anywhere prior to Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom.

BOTK and TOTK are one game split into two parts BOTW-part 1-prequel for new timeline TOTK-part 2-Beginning of new timeline It should be noted here that when Zelda is transported to ancient Hyrule via the secret stone a fixed point in time would be created because of her actions in the past forming the sages and becoming the Light Dragon Thus at the end of TOTK when Zelda says “I’m home” While it is true that they are in Hyrule I posit that they are in a very different Hyrule than they remember The Champion timeline is now a divergent timeline because of her interference As she was never there to assist in forming the champions or there to help decipher the Sheikah tech we saw in BOTW🤔

Also Since link was asleep for 100 years when we start BOTW Does that mean there is a baby Gannondorf in Gerudo🤔

There is still a chance for DLC considering Fujibayashi's signing of a "NDA" (Non Disclosed Agreement) forcing him to _lie_ in order to prevent revealing DLC before it is officially announced by Nintendo during a Direct. Don't give up hope yet we may just get a surprise later this year or the next regarding DLC.

A true adult Link going an adventure as Zelda remains with their child, that would be something. Answering the final questions of Tears while giving us a new location with the same though visibly older Hero.

Yep, it is the best way of preserving the past but also securing the future for the Zelda franchise. Infinite splits and merges forming many rupees over many generations, hopefully.

@commonwealthrealm I see. That makes sense. Guess all we can do is see where this wild ride goes. It'll be quite the journey, that's for certain!

Most likely the next Zelda game will give us a few more answers.

i hope i can figure that out in the next zelda game too.

To your second to last question the answer is YES there ARE more lands _outside_ Hyrule as confirmed in several games prior to Breath of the Wild which all take place in far away lands such as Holodrum, Labrynna, the World of the Ocean King, the Land of the Lokomos and Hytopia.

@@javiervasquez625 i would like to visit and explore those countries too.

I so wish we would get DLC for this…but there’s almost no chance.

This would make sense, if not for the fact that the prologue of Skyward Sword isn't actually consistent at all with the events described in Tears of the Kingdom. Also, it absolutely is a reboot. The developers saying "the previous Hyrules had all long been destroyed before this new other, completely unrelated Hyrule was founded by a civilization with no relationship to any previous civilization" is a textbook example of what a soft reboot is.

I don’t know if I’m on board with the merged / converging timeline idea. I want to be on board but I just can’t see a satisfactory explanation. The reason why the timeline split happened, was due to a time travel theory where in every event, it creates an alternate timeline / parallel universe. But to have 1 timeline be separated into 3 separate timelines, and somehow unify into 1 would break every idea of time travel. If the idea of a converging timeline were to have some solid basis, it would be better if the timelines were more akin to dimensions / worlds. That way, someone in one dimension (timeline) can discover the others. And could possibly lead to an event where the dimensions (timelines) can merge into one. Should a Zelda game do that, then it would be much easier to swallow. Because as long as the franchise continues, fans will still debate where games go on the timeline even in their 80’s.

@@theomnigamer9177 either way, I think there’s just too much evidence showing that a timeline merge has occurred. Hylia is a goddess of time so in my mind her merging them for one reason or the other is plausible to me.

@mrbiscuits001 That’s fair. I’m not saying I would be opposed to that idea, and I’m not trying to persuade people in the way obnoxious redditors do. I’m just waiting for a game or official material that can clear it up, because head canon / theories (even with evidence) can only go so far. An example being that a lot of people believed that Ganon kept getting reincarnated, but in reality there was just 1 Ganon (FSA is the exception). It took people playing Smash Ultimate with the Palutena Guidance, for a majority of the people to believe there was only 1 Ganon.

I mean... this basically _is_ a reboot.

That is certainly a possiblity. We have only seen the Triforce flood Hyrule, but also by restoring the Triforce of Lorule saving that land from downfall.

Is it possible that the secret stones are the triforce I mean there are nine triforce pieces across all three timelines and in TOTK there are six stone's (not counting Zelda's time duplicate)and three Dragons (again not counting Zelda)

I had a similar idea to that except possibly the Zonai were the ones who made the wish. The Zonai have been shown to be pretty intelligent and were able to make some advanced tech. If they had evolved in one timeline and advanced to the point of knowing how to time travel and of Demise's curse (and seeing that it persisted into multiple timelines), they may have wished to combine all the timelines in some kind of event to try and make it easier to get rid of Demise all at once. Knowing of the butterfly effect they may have known that they wouldn't want to change the past because it could result in the Zonai not evolving into existence at all, so the best they could do was to merge all the timelines so that neither race would be destroyed. As for the twili, not sure how that works. They may still exist in their separate realms, it's just that no one has been able to access them yet. The wish might've been so great that it exhausted the Triforce or alternatively they saw it as too great of a risk and had it sealed away elsewhere or weakened perhaps.

It could also have been an act from _Golden Goddesses_ which converged the timelines together as their way to "restart" the timeline from zero with no timesplit shenanigans whatsoever (a dragonbreak basically). Considering that the 3 original timelines where all representative of the 3 Golden Goddesses it makes sense that they would have the power to "fuse them" as part of a divine plan to restart the kingdom this time by the Zonai.

The question is how will Demon King Ganondorf and the Light Dragon (Zelda) fit in this alternate timeline.

Sadly Hyrule Warriors is not canon, that goes for both the original and Age of Calamity.

@@commonwealthrealm Here I was the only believed Age of Calamity is canon since Terrako was activated when Zelda's sealing powers was first awakened.

​@@a.jthomas6132 ...and now you know it's NON CANON (confirmed by Konrad himself). Hopefully the constant parroting of Age of Calamity been canon will finally end now that you've heard the _facts_ from a Zeldatuber himself.

¿Wouldn't Zelda also be a throat goat since she also ate hers?

@@javiervasquez625 he literally fisted that thing halfway down his gullet

Thank you, it immediately hit my head. Hyrule forgets its past history allowing Ganondorf to return over and over again..

@@commonwealthrealm Does it occur to Demise's curse as well? Or could it be simpaly both? Either way, I believe Zelda, Link, the new generation of sages, and Purah would assure Hyrule will remembered their past history if there is any hope to secured their eternal peace. But at the same time, they face new challenges that is still lie ahead.

​@@commonwealthrealm Like A.J suggests it's possible that the Demon Tribe's curse has something to do with the constant loss of History across the timeline which explains why the people of Hyrule have such a poor record of past events across every major installment in the series. It might just be that the people of Hyrule are cursed to forever forget past events as the Demon Tribe's way to ensure no one remembers the previous incarnations of Ganondorf.

you got mad??? LMAO dude if you actually knew the timeline well enough then you’d know there’s MULTIPLE places you can slot both the present of Totk and the sections that are in the past

@@crunchysalmonsok then smart guy, explain how rauru doesn’t know about a link even though one existed before hyrule ever existed? What about the founder of hyrule living for hundreds of years? What about where totk even is in the timeline? And don’t say that it converged, that is just a theory. If you can answer all of those questions then fine, you know more than me and I’ll go back to reading my copy of the legend of Zelda encyclopaedia

@@widojay2048bro every single Link is named link and looks exactly the same any nobody has EVER brought that up in the games, Rauru not knowing link completely is irrelevant. founder of hyrule living for centuries? what are you even talking about that’s not relevant in any sense. The present day of Totk takes place on the very end of the timeline after everything else and Botw, the past flashbacks of Totk either take place before Botw but after everything else as it shows the founding of a brand new hyrule, or the past flashbacks of totk can fit in right after skyward sword as the skyloftians make human settlements on the surface. this was easy but let me impart this to you: the series is about mystery and exploration, there will never be hard answers to any of this all you can do is adapt and keep adding to ur understanding. don’t be mad cuz ur nostalgia is hurt LMAO

@@crunchysalmons it’s funny seeing you get so worked up over a KZfaq comment

@@widojay2048incapable of learning or admitting when you overstepped…. why am i not surprised. go read ur book bud

Cause Sonia descends from SS Zelda's bloodline. Plus I think that kingdom had a different name entirely. Also being referred to as the land of Hylia rather than the Land of Hyrule.

Good point! And it is the best compromise for everyone. The games are in every timeline, not a specific one. And that is the ideal solution for players and the development team.

Subrosia lies beneath Holodrum in Oracle of Seasons and yet the Subrosians who live there are nowhere to be found in TAoL's Hyrule for Holodrum to have been "absorbed" into Hyrule alongside Labrynna at some point in the past. Add to that the complete omission of the 2 Maku Trees, the lizard-like Tokay people from Crescent Island and the instruction manuals for both Oracle games stating Holodrum and Labrynna to be _far away lands_ from Hyrule and this scenario becomes impossible. That said i like the rest of your theory.

@@javiervasquez625 Link simply does not go down far enough in TAoL to find Subrosia, and the Subrosians seem to prefer their secrecy anyway. We saw the Great Deku Tree die in OoT. Maku Trees can die too. Also no matter which timeline we place BotW, there is at least 1 game with no sightings of any Deku Trees before BotW, yet there he is in BotW. again, just because we don't see a race or being in a game, that doesn't mean they don't exist at that point in time. as far as the Tokay are concerned... ...at best, Link is focused on his mission to complete the Triforce to awaken Zelda, and that mission simply does not take him to any Tokay. ...at worst... extinction is possible. "far away" is relative. Hyrule in BotW/TotK is massive, yet all that space only takes the tiny south west corner of TAoL map. in no other game do we see a version of Hyrule that includes Death Mountain and also lands beyond at the same time, only TAoL. It stands to reason that Hyrule grew the area it rules leading up to that time, absorbing the kingdoms around it. Check out the map similarities. www.tumblr.com/ancientskullkid/728850923546361856/taol-map?source=share

@@AncientSkullKid Yet the Subrosians DO VISIT THE SURFACE as seen with Rosa who freely travels back and forth between the overworld and underworld to gossip with the denizens of both realms. Aside from Rosa we also have the Subrosian Dancers who in a Linked Mode will TRAVEL TO LABRYNNA to become the new dancers of the Goron Dancing Minigame in Rolling Ridge pretty much confirming their existence to the entire world for them to suddenly retreat back to Subrosia by the events of the original The Legend of Zelda. Even though the Deku Tree is able to die that doesn't mean their _children_ won't continue the cycle of replacing the previous Deku Tree as seen in Ocarina of Time, The Wind Waker and later the Wild duology. Taking into account Aonuma's words regarding the Era of the Wild taking place after _all_ the timelines that pretty much confirms that the Deku Tree from the Downfall Timeline is *still alive* as of the original The Legend of Zelda on the NES and we simply didn't see him anywhere in The Adventure of Link due to the simple fact that Aonuma and co. had yet concieved of the character for him to have appeared in the early NES games. That you deduced the Deku Tree's _permanent_ passing in the Downfall Timeline due to his omission in the FIRST GAMES in the series is a lacking conclusion given what we know regarding the Era of the Wild thanks to Aonuma's words. ¿So your one and only explanation for the Tokay's disappearance in the NES games is their apparent extinction...? Like with the Deku Tree i find this conclusion to be lacking given the simple fact that Nintendo had yet _introduced_ the Tokay into the Lore for anyone to argue their extinction as a random explanation for why they don't appear in the NES Era. Just because we don't _see_ a race appear in later games doesn't mean they became extinct. Actually we _do_ see other Hyrules which happen to be connected to lands _outside_ it in other games as per Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess having Gerudo Desert absorbed into the kingdom after the Gerudo War ended following Ganondorf's imprisonment inside the Twilight Realm. That said i don't see why the same would apply with TAoL considering the lack of any _confirmation_ from either the instruction manuals, Lore books like Hyrule Historia or even developer commentaries that state as much. I mean the Historia refers to the NES Hyrule as a "shrinking kingdom" implying it's been _loosing_ it's land to other kingdoms/nations ever since Ocarina of Time dismissing this part of your theory from being plausible without contradicting what the Hyrule Historia says. I simply can't accept this scenario if that means going against the Historia which is why i won't agree with this part of your conclusion. I've seen this comparisons before and i have an explanation for it: ¿Do you note how similar Holodrum looks to the original Hyrule from Zelda 1? The reason it looks similar is because originally Nintendo had planned to make a _remake_ of the original The Legend of Zelda on the NES for the Game Boy Color before they eventually decided to give up the idea in favor of 3 brand new games to represent the Triforce and the 3 Golden Goddesses. Oracle of Seasons was originally intended to be that remake which is why the worldmap, dungeon bosses (recall Aquamentus, Dodongo, Manhandla, Digdogger, Gleeok, etc.?) and hidden Oldmen all REFERENCE Zelda 1 as "leftovers" from the remake it was supposed to be. Hence the maps look so similar to eachother due to Nintendo's plan to remake og Zelda. Like i said above i like most of your theory but this part is lacking given it's disregard to the established Lore as revealed throughout the series's history.

@@javiervasquez625 "shrinking kingdom" then the immediate sequel shows the largest Hyrule we've ever seen. So the kingdom was shrinking after having first expanded well past Death Mountain. again, size is relative. The Zeldaverse is much smaller than most people think it is. again, you proved my point about the Deku Tree; certainly there is a Deku Tree alive during TLoZ, even tho we don't see it (and in fact one of the dungeons seems to be inside a dead Deku Tree), because there is a Deku Tree later in BotW. My point being...the absence of a race or being in any given game is not evidence against that game being set in the same general location where we have seen those races or beings in the past. We don't see a Deku Tree in Hyrule in ALttP or TLoZ, yet we see one in BotW. the lack of Deku Trees is not evidence against ALttP or TLoZ being set in Hyrule. Therefore the lack of Tokay or Subrosians is not evidence against Holodrum & Labrynna being part of TAoL map. Where are the Gerudo in TWW? Yet after the Deku Trees drain the Great Sea, there the Gerudo are in BotW. yeah, a few Subrosians visit the surface. but why did their ancestors retreat so far deep underground in the first place? danger? is it less dangerous for them on the surface now? will it remain safe for them? I find it very likely that whatever caused their ancestors to retreat underground in the past will also cause them to re-retreat back underground in the future. Holodrum's map does not look like TLoZ map. Sure, Mountains to the north and Ocean to the south, but that's true of most Zelda maps, including New Hyrule in ST, which (just like Holodrum) is not the same location as the usual Death Mountain area. The lake in Holodrum is in the North East, not where it is in Hyrule in TLoZ. your primary point and evidence is "lack of confirmation" that the 2 kingdoms were absorbed into Hyrule (which is of course what makes it a theory, otherwise the idea itself would be lore, not theory). but I will simply counter with "lack of confirmation" that the 2 kingdoms were NOT absorbed into Hyrule.

@@AncientSkullKid YOU say the Hyrule from Adventure of Link is the "largest Hyrule we've seen" yet that does NOT make it *FACT* as Nintendo has never _confirmed_ that to be the case. It's perfectly plausible (and likely) that this "gigantic kingdom" you insist TAoL's Hyrule to be is no more bigger than the Hyrule from A Link to the Past due to the _graphical limititations_ of both games allowing Nintendo to redesign Hyrule as either a larger or smaller kingdom based on the graphical limitations of the NES and SNES (as in do you imagine A Link to the Past having the graphical capability and memory to have a Hyrule of the scale of TAoL?). You're taking a LITERAL INTERPRETATION of the kingdom's geographical size as evidence of something which had nothing to do with the Lore or narrative but the graphical engine limitations of the later consoles for Nintendo to show future Hyrule as big in size as the one from the NES games. The Zeldaverse is actually quite _larger_ than most people think it is if the Sacred Realm, Koholint Island, Termina, the Minish Realm, the Twilight Realm, the World of the Ocean King, the Land of the Lokomos, Lorule and Hytopia are anything to go by. I mean the Land of the Lokomos is itself stated to lie _far away_ from Old Hyrule making it very clear that the Zelda world goes beyond the confines of Hyrule with several civilizations which have nothing to do with this one specific realm among the many which lie elsewhere in far away regions. I mean in The Wind Waker we have the Inuit-like Zunari outright stating he comes from a "cold and far away land" (Alaska?) 100% confirming there are many continents and landmasses which do not lie anywhere near Hyrule. I'm confused here. ¿Didn't you say the Deku Tree died off in the Downfall Timeline as an explanation for his omission in the later NES games? If that is not what you are trying to say i would much appreciate if you could explain exactly what your original argument is and how it's supposed to counter what i stated regarding lack of evidence not being evidence of absence. That aside i do NOT understand the argument that even though 2 _native_ races from Holodrum and Labrynna aren't present in TAoL that still allows this 2 lands to have been absorbed into Hyrule just like that with no *explanation* given. I mean considering what i said regarding the Deku Tree's _children_ still been around by Breath of the Wild and onwards we have to wonder why wouldn't the 2 Maku Trees ALSO appear in Breath of the Wild after Holodrum and Labrynna were both swallowed into Hyrule to hang around alongside the Deku Tree. ¿What of the 3 Oracles Din, Nayru and Farore who all 3 lived IN Holodrum and Labrynna to suddenly disappear in Zelda 1 and TAoL and not return in the Era of the Wild...? The argument you propose flatly ignores all this details surrounding the Maku Tress and the 3 Oracles making this an implausible conclusion. ¿When and where has it ever been said that the Subrosians "retreated underground"...? As i understand it the Subrosians have ALWAYS lived underground very similar to the Mogmas from Skyward Sword so i do not understand how you reached that conclusion based on information which is _nowhere_ to be found in any Zelda game in the series. Again just because we don't _see_ them in the NES games doesn't mean they aren't living in the surface _elsewhere_ and we simply didn't see them. Holodrum's map actually looks a LOT like Zelda 1's if you place the 2 side by side and compare their main landmarks together: you get Goron Mountain to the North (like Death Mountain), a graveyard to the lower West (like the one in Zelda 1), a desert to the East and of course the first dungeon in the game "Gnarled Root" which like the first dungeon in Zelda 1 also takes place INSIDE A TREE (¿Are you going to tell me that is also a dead Deku Tree?). You really need to play Oracle of Seasons for most of the locations, landmarks and _dungeons_ in that game are taken straight from Zelda 1's Hyrule as a reference to the game. Your primary point regarding Holodrum and Labrynna having been absorbed by NES Hyrule is lacking given the many races, locations and landmarks which are nowhere to be found in the early titles due to Nintendo having yet CREATED them in the first place. Taking a "literalist approach" to the Lore as in "they aren't around ergo they are hiding underground!" is lacking in nature given it's dismissal of Zelda's early days before all this other Realms and races were introduced into the series. I will repeat what i said before: _"absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence"._ Just because we don't see Subrosians and Tokays in Zelda 1 and 2's Hyrule shouldn't be an argument that Holodrum and Labrynna were absorbed into the kingdom given the lack of any _explanation_ for their omission aside from a literal interpretation of the NES's map compared to the ones seen in later titles.

It will be exciting to see what the Zelda Team wants to do next. Stay or Go to a New Hyrule or possibly brand new land. No matter what it needs to be fresh and full of never before explored territory!

@@commonwealthrealm i was hoping i can also explore other countries outside of hyrule.

Pinnacle Rock is a landmark which has constantly reappeared across several games in the series as a simple _reference_ with no meaning or reason aside from vague reference and nothing more as seen with the one in Majora's Mask's Great Bay. The Goddess Statue could also be a similar scenario as Pinnacle Rock with Nintendo reusing the same statue in the Ancient Temple from Breath of the Wild for yet again a _reference_ with no relevance whatsoever. As to Rauru's possible status as a past Hero i deeply find it unlikely given that his name isn't Link (like every single incarnation of the Hero) and it wouldn't make sense for a Hero to exist only to NEVER wield the Master Sword.

@@javiervasquez625 That's every Hero before Link and it's the Spirit of the Hero, it doesn't belong just to Link and there had been a Hero who wasn't named Link in one of the timeline's... A Link Between World's, it's an exact copy of Hyrule and so that means there would be another with the Spirit of the Hero in Lorule, Ravio technically being Link's Lorule counterpart would have the Spirit of the Hero, and though he may act like a Coward didn't he go head first into another world to assist because he wasn't able to convince Hilda and Yuga? So there have been one other who has the Spirit cause if that's the thing who is the one in BotW who had sealed away the Calamity once with red flowing hair and in TotK it's the Aspect of the Hero, we don't know that Heroes name. Rauru could of been the Hero not saying he is or should of been but could have. There is also the 3 Link's from Triforce Heroes who aren't copies of himself Links had been referred to as the group in that one so what are their names then? The Spirit of the Hero can be anyone who has the Courage to dive into danger and fearless, it's just always been shown as someone named Link. You can rename Link in almost all the game's, so why wouldn't Rauru be able to use the Master Sword? He has just as much Courage and just as Fearless as any Link, with him having the element to Light the Master Sword would of been so much stronger but he had never heard of it so it's a what if this could of happened. Not saying he could or couldn't have just thinking maybe the first one in BotW's and TotK's history could of been Rauru.

@@sodajesus8128 ALL the "Heroes" in the timeline have been named _Link_ so ALL the Links have the Spirit of the Hero. "Ravio" is the Hero from *LORULE* NOT HYRULE meaning he's not the SAME HERO as Link is. ALL Heroes are named Link = all Links have the Spirit of the Hero = Rauru isn't named Link thus he DOESN'T have the Spirit of the Hero

@@javiervasquez625 All the "Heroes" except for BotW and TotK can be named Link, ya know when you go play Ocarina of Time or Twilight Princess, what's the first thing that happens? You get to name the file which then becomes that "Link's" name in return. So no not all of the Heroes are named Link they can be named Link because the person behind it allows the character to be named Link. Besides you are taking this out of the ball park, I said what "if" Rauru was supposed to be the Hero not that he has to be, should be, or even had to be. Cause if all of those who are Chosen by the Spirit of the Hero were named Link then what is the name of the Wielder of the Master Sword who first fought the Calamity? Is it Link or is it something different? We don't know and considering he looks more of a hybrid of a hylian/zonai with long red hair, that would mean the Spirit of the Hero chooses them randomly until that world's Link became the chosen hero. Consider this Link is a Hylian with blonde hair and blue eyes, so the Spirit of the Hero always chooses that form right and let's just say the name is always Link right? Then is the one who first fought the Calamity, Link? Hmm I don't know, not blonde, has blue eyes, and doesn't look Hylian at all so how does that work? There is only one other Link with hair that is red and that is Link to the Past, which had been an error on the game. So are all Link's the same? No, do they follow the same purpose? Yes. What is the name of the Hero with Crimson hair that stood against the Calamity? It could be Link or it could be a completely different name lost to history. All I'm saying is what if Rauru could of been the Hero of his time but failed due to not having the Knowledge of the Master Sword.

@@sodajesus8128 🙄 Really...? The "select name" mechanic from earlier titles is your argument...? So that means the *INSTRUCTION MANUALS* which outright CONFIRM all of the Heroes from each game to be named _Link_ do not count as explicit canonical evidence for their names been the same throughout the timeline? As to the "Ancient Hero" from 10.000 years ago YES it's VERY PROBABLE that his name was also Link just like the Hero of Time in The Wind Waker's prologue cutscene who, despite been known to exist by the people of the Great Sea, had his name all but _forgotten_ so that the Hero of Winds could take his place. The same thing happens to the Ancient Hero and his successor from the Era of the Wild regardless of the previous Link been born as a member of the Zonai race. ALL Links are named Link = the Ancient Hero was a predecessor to BotW Link = he TOO was named LINK

Then again just because he had no idea of what the Dragonbreak was doesn't mean he didn't think of a "convergence scenario" which in his head simply didn't go by the term "Dragonbreak" given his lack of knowledge regarding the Skyrim franchise. Basically put he might have indeed thought of Dragonbreak when he developed Breath of the Wild but simply didn't concieve of a specific word that would help define his intent for a timeline convergence.

Dragonbreak is merely a term and doesn't really destroy the convergence theory.

That seems way more likely

The problem with The Game Theorist is that he dismisses Aonuma's _confirmed_ words as to the *non canonicity* of Hyrule Warriors for Matt Pat's "theory" to be plausible. As soon as Aonuma made his statement regarding that game Matt's theory automatically became _impossible_ due to it contradicting the developer's own words.

Indeed ;) Couldn´t do that in Breath of the Wild :P

Plus it is such a cool concept both for us Zelda theorists and the development team. Endless possibilities in an infinite timeline of splits and convergences!

As long as it doesn't get ever more convoluted and near impossible to grasp i'm all for Nintendo coming with cool ideas to expand the mythology and Lore of the franchise.

It's implied through Zelda's "speech" when she's reforging the Master Sword that her "Light" (which is actually the TRIFORCE) allows her to keep some semblance of awareness in order to protect Link after Ganondorf transformed into the Demon Dragon.

@@javiervasquez625 i need to rewatch the cutscenes again but that is an interesting thought

NAHHH

I really want to see a game or games that lead into the convergence to properly connect the old and new timelines.

Most likely scenario (which apparently fans and theorists hate with a passion) the Golden Goddesses converged the timelines themselves through simple manipulation of events across the 3 timelines so that the Hyrule founded by Rauru would come to be in each one of the timelines. Considering the goddesses's omnipotence as per the Triforce it only makes sense that they would be able to unify the timelines as part of some "divine plan" they set up.

Hyrule Warriors is sadly not canon. Same goes for Age of Calamity.

Aonuma CONFIRMED Hyrule Warriors wasn't canon when it came out didn't he? I would assume the _creator's_ own words would suffice to convince the many people who insist in calling the Warriors games canon.