Do Ocarina of Time's Sages Die? (Legend of Zelda Theory)
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Күн бұрынA look at a classic Ocarina of Time theory. Do the Sages die in their Temples?
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@toschiworlds7212 3 жыл бұрын
Since we see Naboru turn into an orange ball of light after getting struck by the witches, I always thought that Rauru was teleporting her to the Sacred Realm to prevent her from getting brainwashed again. He couldn't do so before because the first time it happened was in front of the temple and she therefor wasn't close enough to the temple's gateway to the Sacred Realm and he couldn't reach her. Only after the mind control was broken and while she was in the temple could he protect her by teleporting her out to safety.
@alexkuhn5188 3 жыл бұрын
You make a very good point. Also wasn’t the color of light she vanished into the same color Rauru was associated with?
@iandiehl1385 3 жыл бұрын
@@alexkuhn5188 yeah that’s what she’s saying
@borisrupe7247 3 жыл бұрын
Was just about to leave this same comment. 100% agree with that logic. Rauru swooped her up JUST before the magic hit her.
@AarturoSc 3 жыл бұрын
Good eye and theory
@justaman9344 3 жыл бұрын
Good to know that I wasn't the only one who thought that. I always thought that Rauru teleported all of the sages just before they could be harmed.
@hylianchampion8867 3 жыл бұрын
Darunia: goes into boss room without boss key and the door locks behind him Me: "Bruh".
@thatguy5379 3 жыл бұрын
Probably buying link some time
@hylianchampion8867 3 жыл бұрын
@@thatguy5379 yeah, that is what he was doing. I was just pointing out that he unlocks the boss door WITHOUT the boss key and then locks the door behind him WITHOUT the boss key. For the people who missed the boss key on their way through the fire temple, that might seem a little wrong.
@krauser_bowser5873 3 жыл бұрын
Darunia: Lockpick 100
@hylianchampion8867 3 жыл бұрын
@@krauser_bowser5873 😂
@Lord_of_the_unmaking 3 жыл бұрын
He is a goron maybe he just forced the door open and it shut itself magically
@DrDolan2000 3 жыл бұрын
Whenever I saw Mido sitting down next to King Zora as a kid, I thought he was on timeout
@csekat 3 жыл бұрын
Good point
@felixmckinney7132 3 жыл бұрын
Why yes
@roaringthunder115 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@thatravenskid7338 3 жыл бұрын
lol I can see why. Edit: I also thought that too when i was younger
@kuyt3400 3 жыл бұрын
Yet Mido is probably much older than king zora.
@SonicJrandSarah 3 жыл бұрын
I think Mido isn't just sad about losing Saria, but also losing Link since he disappeared, given as to how none of the Kokiri other than maybe Saria are aware that Link wasn't truly a Kokiri.
@sarah18497 2 жыл бұрын
I think the Kokiri knew Link wasn't one of them. Mido said, "I the great Mido, will never accept you as one of us!" I think they knew. They just embraced him but Mido was super paranoid, watching the Hylian from a distance. ---- Edit: I personally believe Mido was very upset about Saria. He knew her for...who knows how long. Suddenly she is gone and the Deku tree is a happy little tree. Things are different now... He is probably the type who would start to miss Link after a few months. I think he is sad about Saria and the Deku tree
@chrisgriffin6489 2 жыл бұрын
im not crying you are
@monroerobbins7551 2 жыл бұрын
And the fact that if you talk to him later, after the forest temple, he says “And I’m sorry for being mean to him [Link]. Tel him that, too.” Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was sad about all of his losses; he lost the Deku Tree, Saria, and Link all in one fell swoop.
@GeneralGorillaSonicOC 2 жыл бұрын
I think Mido felt regretful of bullying Link and blamed himself.
@renbiscotti1514 2 жыл бұрын
They touch on that a bit in the books and he is really distraught over the loss of him, even implying if link came back he'd be his friend edit: I really do recommend them, they're amazing for every series (especially twilight princess's imo)
@Sephira87 3 жыл бұрын
i can never get enough of the forest temple music.
@anonymousfellow8879 3 жыл бұрын
I can. It’s one of the few tracks that isn’t intentionally designed to be unsettling (like the Silent Realms in Skyward Sword if you wake the Guardians) that makes me want to throw my device at the wall. City in the Sky in Twilight Princess is nearly as bad
@Sephira87 3 жыл бұрын
i agree with city in the sky... probably one of my least favorite dungeons so thinking about its music annoys me xD. But forest temple theme is kind of relaxing.
@hamstergt1869 3 жыл бұрын
it makes me imagine sitting there in a dark room at 10pm wondering how the f. i'm going to beat this thing.
@hamstergt1869 3 жыл бұрын
@Craig Adams Could this be a warning from someone who has tried, failed, tried again and eventually had his life consumed by non-believers?
@Sephira87 3 жыл бұрын
@Craig Adams i would, but that would be the case for every song in existence :D
@TonberryQueen 3 жыл бұрын
Now that's just freakin sad. Regardless of whether they're dead or just beings transcended into another existence who can no longer return home to their loved ones, they are essentially gone forever from Hyrule. The sight of King Zora and Mido at the celebration really cuts deep.
@TJDious 3 жыл бұрын
Well Mido was pretty much of a bunghole.
@TonberryQueen 3 жыл бұрын
@@TJDious He was, as children that are immature often are. But, as Mido did, they mature and learn.
@TheFiretiger27 3 жыл бұрын
It reminds me of the champions in BoTW. Especially Mipha since her family is still alive and they know Mipha died inside Vah Ruta
@dannyman5751 3 жыл бұрын
Even for a pretty non-graphical game, it really hits the feels and shows their sadness
@JCO78 3 жыл бұрын
@@TJDious You can be a "bunghole" to others and still have people you deeply care about.
@Methrael 3 жыл бұрын
Judging from the analysis, and because Japan, I would have to say their transformation has a lot to do with shinto - in other words, not that the characters have died per se, but that they were originally kami given mortal form, then called to ascend at a certain time. Saria ascended from the forest temple but her power was restricted as the temple was profaned; Darunia, Ruto, and Impa ascended during their assault on the besiegers of the temple, and Nabooru ascended right as Koume and Kotake intended to re-brainwash her which was what made it seem like she was killed.
@bensoncheung2801 2 жыл бұрын
68th 👍
@katblackwell 2 жыл бұрын
this is very interesting. thanks for sharing!
@harrisonmoore3841 Жыл бұрын
@@bensoncheung2801 170th 🤓
@YujiUedaFan Жыл бұрын
Sages seem to die regardless, which is why they're different in each game. The OOT sages probably live about as long as their species normally would. This explains why in WW, we don't see Rita and Saria play with Medli and Makar. Perhaps as time went on, new Sages didn't have to be separated from their loved ones, as Links throughout the ages dealt with evil, instead of using Sages to prevent evil. ALttP sages on the other hand seem to be related to the OOT sages, so maybe their bloodlines remained in the spirit realm.
@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger Жыл бұрын
@@YujiUedaFan The way I view it is kind of like Link, Zelda, and Ganon being tied to the triforce; the sages are reincarnations of their past selves reaching out to what will ultimately be their replacement. Each is descended from the 7 Maidens/Guardians/Goddesses who represent elements in the world; together they can act much like the goddess Hylia in being able to seal evil, but their souls recycle after each instance of activity. One individual from each race of beings is chosen to fulfill a greater destiny; their divinity is restored, their mortal life acts as motivation and perspective into why they can't afford to fail, the two lives reconcile, and they become a sage tasked with defending their realm once more. Mortals can exist in the corporeal realm but sages are divine spirits: they can only exist wholly in the sacred realm or manifest as sort of temporary apparitions in the corporeal realm. They go on living in the sacred realm for the length of time they would have lived irl or they simply persist until their souls grow weary and they once again fade back into the cycle. The whispers the unawakened sages hear could be their past selves trying to reach out and trigger their memory or it could be an inkling of memory held by their divine selves - basically think the divine soul is the original and the mortal is a dream being experienced by the sleeping sage. The sage awakens, the dream comes into conflict, but given a quiet place to come to terms with things - their true nature wins out and the dream becomes just one more facet/cherished memory of a very old soul.
@Maddox_Clayne 2 жыл бұрын
I genuinely think that sending Link back to relive his childhood, while well intentioned, is probably the cruelest thing any Zelda has done in the timelines in regards to Link. She knows what he's gone through, and I'm sure she would have meant well, but I don't know if someone can just move past what Link went through.
@Jay-xk6dj Жыл бұрын
It's also one of the worst decisions made in the series in hindsight. Wind Waker implies that had Link not been sent back in time then Hyrule might not have been flooded and then destroyed at the end of the game.
@HexManiac-nf1yg Жыл бұрын
@@Jay-xk6dj I thought that was the link lost timeline
@ferrosplice8460 Жыл бұрын
@@Jay-xk6dj Wind Waker takes place in the branch where Link *isn't* sent back in time. Thats why people know who the Hero of Time is. In the timeline where he gets sent back, no one know who the Hero of Time is because Links actions prevent OoT from happening. Hyrule gets flooded in Wind Waker because there isn't anyone to stop Ganon, and flooding it was the best the gods could do.
@ferrosplice8460 Жыл бұрын
@@HexManiac-nf1yg Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks (in that order) are in the "Hero is Triumphant - Adult" timeline.
@Jay-xk6dj Жыл бұрын
@@ferrosplice8460 No Wind Waker is very specifically set in the original timeline from the end of OoT. At the end of the game Zelda sends him back to before he pulls out the sword but that timeline continues on. Wind Waker almost states this as a fact at the start of the game. There isn't a timeline where Link isn't sent back from the end of OoT unless you count the fallen timeline but its not possible for WW to be in that one since the Hero of Time clearly won.
@TheRCScotsman 3 жыл бұрын
If they weren't dead before, they'll definitely have died waiting for Nintendo's Zelda 35th announcement!!
@danahira7084 3 жыл бұрын
😅 for real
@DrSmugface 3 жыл бұрын
21.02.2021 is 35th
@quantafreeze 3 жыл бұрын
This
@mischarowe 3 жыл бұрын
Since the anniversary is on the 21st of February, I'm hoping THAT is when they'll do it.
@Ladywizard 3 жыл бұрын
@@mischarowe Nah that's a sunday they'll probably do it the friday before or monday after just like I doubt the pokemon 25th will be on the 28th
@Austar7 3 жыл бұрын
I've always thought it was Navi who warned Link about the water before the Morpha fight.
@alyssac5130 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@doomgodx99 3 жыл бұрын
I am so glad to hear that I was not the only one who thought that
@yum2735 3 жыл бұрын
It's very clear from the Japanese dialogue that it is meant to be Ruto.
@Elementianhero22 3 жыл бұрын
@@yum2735 Really?! Wow, I thought I knew everything about this game!
@dragonrand100audiobook 3 жыл бұрын
@@yum2735 I never knew that.
@polycube868 3 жыл бұрын
That upscaled 3DS footage is gorgeous. It would be cool if Nintendo could port that version of Ocarina of Time to the Switch.
@amalgasoul5794 2 жыл бұрын
Wow you predict the future! Will darunia get his spin-off?
@Hwarming Жыл бұрын
Not official but there is a PC port now because OOT was completely de compiled and built from the ground up on PC, like Mario 64
@ilovechocolate3217 3 жыл бұрын
4:46 I don't think they are oblivious. Saria and Impa intentionally went to the temples to check the problem because they knew it had something to do with their role as sage. We also see Saria spending her time near the Forest Temple all the time Darunia went to get the Hammer, beat Volgavia, and save the Gorons. Ruto went into the temple to unfreeze the Domain. Nabooru was brainwashed, but initially she went to get the Gauntlets Impa and Saria were mentioned to go to check the "spirits" there.
@shadenox8164 Ай бұрын
Saria explicitly says she feels this place will be important to both of them, not that she knows it is. So it seems like Sages have an inkling of some kind but don't necessarily know what it means.
@nonnoumby 3 жыл бұрын
Not only I never believed they died, I also don't even think they were forced to remain in the Chamber. I always saw the glowing lights as them returning to the physical world, mostly because Rauru, the only one 100% confirmed to be dead, is NOT with them on Death Mountain. They probably returned there because it was the highest point in all of Hyrule.
@davisbowe8668 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is the most likely explanation imo. We know from ALttP and ALBW that each Sage has a descendant and since Darunia is the only one who has a child that we know of at the time of OoT, we can assume that with Ganondorf trapped in the Sacred Realm that the Sages were allowed to return to their normal lives and have families. Though it still doesn't explain Saria's case, since Kokori/Koroks are magical beings who I would assume cannot reproduce.
@wearywanderer1912 3 жыл бұрын
Even the song changes from a sad tone to fanfarre when they show up, clear evidence of a wish coming true, a miracle.
@mmmario8004 3 жыл бұрын
I second that.
@TijaniPadmore 3 жыл бұрын
or cuz it's DEATH Mountain
@dpincay5375 3 жыл бұрын
Best explanation extra points for the optimism
@Evilhalfdead 3 жыл бұрын
I've always interpreted it as more "living in a realm out of time" than a realm for dead people. Otherwise how would Link, a not dead person, be able to go there and back?
@dpincay5375 3 жыл бұрын
I definently agree with you but I just started thinking isn't Rauru dead
@Evilhalfdead 3 жыл бұрын
@@dpincay5375 Is he dead, or is he just held out of time like all the other sages might be?
@dpincay5375 3 жыл бұрын
@@Evilhalfdead Yeah unfortunately he was the only sage confirmed to be dead but his spirit was there I think he said in video
@quinnsinclair7028 3 жыл бұрын
Mythology is full of stories of living people going into and out of the underworld.
@ariaminamoto5087 3 жыл бұрын
I think when they died, their spirits are selected and instead of going to the realm of the dead they became protectors of hyrule. Residing in the inbetween to aid the hero of time.
@SgtSarge511 Жыл бұрын
There's one more piece of evidence not mentioned in the video that points to the sages being dead. In the Forest Temple, if you play Saria's song to talk to her after you have opened the way to the boss, but before going in, she will mention feeling an evil presence before cutting herself off with a scream. This could well be the moment that she is killed by Phantom Gannon.
@pixelplays964 Жыл бұрын
Do you have anything that shows this? like a gameplay video with it or something
@joehobbs3277 Жыл бұрын
Yeah your right actually I’d completely forgotten about that I was messing around with the ocarina and played her song and that exact sentence she said came up now obviously that could mean 2 things 1 that saria saw phantom gannon hence the scream or phantom gannon really did kill her I don’t think we will ever know but I’m leaning towards more that she was killed simply because every time you defeat a boss in the adult timeline they reawaken as sages which might imply that they died now of course that could be just speculation but it kind of makes sense well to me anyway
@JC-tg1gf 2 жыл бұрын
Even as an 11 year old I assumed the sages had just ascended to become immortal protectors of Hyrule. I didn't exactly think they were dead..but it still felt somber, as if they sacrificed their mortal, fruitful lives to be alone and celibate and watch over Hyrule - such a sacrifice, in a sense almost as bittersweet as if they died ..left an impact on me..made me appreciate people in the world who had integrity and as I grew I realized just how rare that quality was - this game really shaped parts of who I am today and it was the perfect coming-of-age adventure a boy could ever ask for
@sophieparker2027 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought they were dead during my first play through... I remember thinking they all died fighting the bosses in their respective dungeons and their departed spirits became the sages.
@Mrnibbles-nq2zn 3 жыл бұрын
I could get, but I doubt Sari did very well...
@MagillanicaLouM 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mrnibbles-nq2zn it's likely they all were magically sage swooped to safety before they could be killed, as we see possibly maybe is the case with Nabooru
@gilbertotoledo1421 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's what I believe as well. Saria was killed after bravely going to confront Phantom Ganon (perhaps not knowing what she would find). Darunia was most likely devoured by Volvagia. Ruto strangled to death by Morpha. Impa pummeled to a pulp by Bongo Bongo. Only Nabooru seems to not have suffered a gruesome death.
@Fermin-hw5pd 3 жыл бұрын
I thought they were stuck on the Sacred Realm, and they would get back somehow, but seeing that they didn't come down from Death Mountain, and all that evidence, it's hard to believe they didn't die
@devongrady7231 3 жыл бұрын
Same here
@Diispaceyone 3 жыл бұрын
Link is really built different. His life is always terrifying.
@BananaMana69 2 жыл бұрын
He also gets all the bitches but he doesn't let that distract him on his journey.
@IGSA101 Жыл бұрын
He's also apparently, extremely attractive to everyone around him regardless of species.
@xdsmile5359 Жыл бұрын
Ig that means even Ganon is jealous of link hot bod
@adambrooks822 3 жыл бұрын
Saria’s fairy is also missing in the sacred realm... just another clue that she’s not alive.
@chrishandsome6542 3 жыл бұрын
Very true
@burieddreamer 2 жыл бұрын
THIS
@MononymousM 2 жыл бұрын
Good point!
@shadowspirit93 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t a fairy’s duty end when it no longer needs to serve whom it was assigned to? Just like how Navi leaves link at the end.
@Skoomz 2 жыл бұрын
@@shadowspirit93 link isn't a kokiri tho
@DarkLordGanondorf190 3 жыл бұрын
I always took the optimistic swell in music when the Sages reappeared to mean that they returned to Hyrule. Especially after Mido and King Zora were shown to be so down-trodden before they are stirred by the green and blue lights.
@UltraFG5488 Жыл бұрын
That would make sense since the sages in aLBW the sages do that.
@Condor42 3 жыл бұрын
I feel this is just like Botw, in the sense that they tried to fight Ganon’s monsters and died that way
@retrohero8622 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@mr.awesome6011 3 жыл бұрын
Darunia was fighting a goron eating dragon
@Agent-Ig 3 жыл бұрын
Ruto was killed by Morpha.. . We probably shouldn’t talk about that one.
@deviantartguy0 3 жыл бұрын
Feels like Saria was basically murdered. Unless you wanna get Hyrule Warriors about it.
@dpincay5375 3 жыл бұрын
Saria darunia they weren't killed its specifically mentions that they were called as sages but ganon stopped them by infesting monsters so link had to sort of cleanse each dungeon to awaken them
@SarukiKnight 3 жыл бұрын
I never thought they died. To me, the sages were like the hero, ready for their call but then went home once everything was over. The theme is cheerful when we see them on Death Mountain, a place where they can see all of Hyrule and the good they did. Just like soldiers after a war, they will never be the same but they are back home.
@reitairue2073 2 жыл бұрын
Yea I agree, people are overlooking the simple fact that, dead or not, they are free to roam hyrule as they please. Pretty fuggin beautiful if you ask me.
@DaDunge Жыл бұрын
I don't think they can return home, their mortal lives are at an end, they are now sages, demigods.
@taylorsanada3180 Жыл бұрын
Exactly and Wind Waker debunks this, on top of that. A dead sage is a powerless one and makes the Master Sword useless, otherwise, Link would've been defeated by Ganon in OOT.
@tierra68 3 жыл бұрын
It's a weird coincidence that Mido and King Zora could see these sparkles of light, thinking this happens in the Adult Link timeline, leading to WW and the zora and kokiri sages from Wind and Earth Temples
@zedhead90 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve never thought there was any possibility besides the sages having died. Many of them seemed to end up in characteristically desperate situations and encounters with them were extremely somber.
@REDN17 3 жыл бұрын
I have always thought of it like what happens to the Champions in Breath of the Wild, the boss of each Temple killed each of the stages.
@starthing1255 3 жыл бұрын
Just imagine, Ruto suffocating inside of Morpha, mistaking it for water.
@thelegendofaidan2938 3 жыл бұрын
Could be possible
@d4rkmn643 3 жыл бұрын
@@starthing1255 holy fuck that makes a lot of sense
@boyboilNEO9055 2 ай бұрын
@@d4rkmn643she’s a fish, fishes can’t drown
@d4rkmn643 2 ай бұрын
@@boyboilNEO9055 fishes dont drown because they can get the oxygen from the water. morpha isnt water, therefore she can drown in it
@theoaremevano3227 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that a sage already ascended in Twilight Princess can be killed by Ganondorf, along with Windwaker's sages being killed and needing living successors certainly seems to suggest a 'sage' isn't without a life to be taken. They may be higher than mortal, but still need a life to fulfill their role. If a sage was felled in battle with the monster in their temple, they may have been called to the Sacred Realm before they died. They may also have been called the moment they opened the door and taken to the Chamber of Sages.
@ChargeQM 2 жыл бұрын
It could also be that they 'die' in a sense to begin their duties, shedding a physical body in Hyrule for one solely able to exist in the Sacred Realm. They are 'alive' in the sense they have working biology consistent with their new plane of existence, but whatever was going on with them in Hyrule is over. If one could access the Sacred Realm and overpower the not-small might of a Sage, you could probably just stab them or whatever.
@anonymousfellow8879 2 жыл бұрын
You can visit the sages in WW after escorting them to the central chambers. They just don’t acknowledge Link and keep on playing their melodies (which is pretty cool that the devs thought to include that) But, they are Very Much alive. Also the maidens in LttP fill the role of the sages they’re descended from and are actually rescued. And in LBW after Link defeats YugaGanon they’re able to return home to their loved ones
@joshernsteen2066 2 жыл бұрын
The video is pretty much the recap of the information mentioned in the interview, minus the more specific information that the Nintendo rep mentioned in the interview.
@joshernsteen2066 2 жыл бұрын
Windwaker was set in a time period before Ocerina of Time took place. The sages are a lot younger in Windwaker compared to Ocerina of Time. I guess that your game data gets deleted if you actually talk to one of them, considering that the game is programed to restore back your save data somehow if you delete it. The method that we did somehow actually surprisingly worked. The devs briefly mentioned something about your save data and checking if it was still there when talking to the sages after you escorted them back to their chambers; it was talked about in more detail when they were discussing why exactly the music was placed there for each of the sages. I am not saying the exact truth, even though I might know ot from reading an interview about a Nintendo rep talking about in full detail in a really early interview. I could only explain in semi-full detail to you anyways in very vague details; even I could recall some of the details about some of the interview. The Nintendo rep even mentions that you would have to resort back to this exact interview for more information. The Nintendo rep thought that a video like this would be uploaded to KZfaq about this particular topic as well. I honestly thought about saving the link that that the interview was found on, but ultimately did not because I thought that no one would be interested in reading about the topic at the time.
@joshernsteen2066 2 жыл бұрын
It might be the exact same concept as with Aslan in the Chronicle of Narnia movie series. Eventually he had to show his face to stop the impending threat and got killed by the White Witch by being stabbed in the stomach.
@DrAWily 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, it never explicitly says that they don't return. We see them reappear on death mountain, but that doesn't mean that they're gone forever. In fact if anything it's an argument that after the events of Ocarina that they were released from the sacred realm. Likely with Rauru staying behind to continue preparing for the next time an event like that happens again, as he's not with the others amidst their celebration and, may in fact, be an actual spirit as he's already reincarnated into the Owl. I also think its good to note that sages clearly have a physical presence in Hyrule, considering we have TP's sages carrying out the assassination of Ganondorf not in the spirit realm itself, but in the Desert Colossus. If you look at how sages operate in WW, it's clear that Medli and Makar are more there to offer up their prayers, but there's nothing that indicates that they were stuck there forever, just that Link leaves them to give prayer in their temples while finishing up his adventure. Sure, they join actually dead spirits Lanayru and Fado, but that doesn't mean that they are eternally trapped. If the true argument for them being forcibly separated from the rest of hyrule at the end is simply " they appeared in death mountain and not lon lon ranch " then I don't think that's strong enough of an argument to say that they didn't actually return afterwards. Mido and King Zora are both leaders of their tribe, and yes, both very hurt after the events of the game, but it didn't mean that they didn't get to see Saria and Ruto again after they returned.
@YujiUedaFan Жыл бұрын
Here's the thing: From Death Mountain you can get to Kakariko Town and Goron City, from Goron City, you can get to the Lost Woods from the Lost Woods you can get to Kokiri Forest and Zora's river. From Zora's river you can reach Zora's domain and Hyrule (also Kakariko and the Lost Woods (Bridge)), from Zora's domain you can reach Lake Hylia and from Hyrule you can reach Gerudo Valley. Death Mountain goes to/from a lot of places.
@JohnJApanovitch 3 жыл бұрын
This video has some amazing points. I actually have a theory while I was watching. I think they chose Princess Zelda as the 7th sage to embody a Light sage that was living. It's known that Rauru is dead during the story, but he's only seen in the Chamber of Sages. And since Rauru passed away a long time ago, Zelda was probably chosen to kind of replace Rauru as the living Sage of Light.
@DaDunge Жыл бұрын
Then there would only be 6 sages.
@UltraFG5488 Жыл бұрын
@@DaDunge It could be a thing where Rauru is the afterlife's Light sage and Zelda is the mortal Light sage. It could explain why when Zelda isn't around Rauru is the Leader.
@brianmerritt5410 Жыл бұрын
No, she's the 7th sage, representing Hylians, the 7th race, and she's said to carry the blood of a goddess through her mother's line.
@solidskullz5736 3 жыл бұрын
My personal theory was that they went into some other dimension where they would watch over hyrule until new sages came to be
@kurosawa9857 3 жыл бұрын
Do you mean dimension? 😄
@solidskullz5736 3 жыл бұрын
Correct
@Dee-fq4ky 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@iandiehl1385 3 жыл бұрын
@@kurosawa9857 what? He said dimension. 🤔
@charishough3878 3 жыл бұрын
@@iandiehl1385 tis edited
@HonterDax 3 жыл бұрын
Going back to Naboru, if you look closely at the animation when she's struck by the balls of fire and ice, she is spirited away in an orange light. This light has the same tone as the one at the credits scene, and going by the fact that in most games the Sages need to be alive to work (in Windwaker Makar and Medley, in ALBW each sage is most definitely alive, and in TP Ganondorf straight up kills one), I'd say that they are transported to the sacred realm before they die in case of dangerous situations like Darunia's and Naboru's, or when they learn they are the sages and enter the temples, this being the most likely, in my opinion, with Ruto, Impa and Sariah
@Aristocratic13 3 жыл бұрын
Damn that’s a valid point with WW
@GabePuratekuta 3 жыл бұрын
Makes sense. Because red and blue doesn't make orange.
@sashakittyeliza Жыл бұрын
I did realize that Mido was alone w/ King Zora originally, but I never thought much of it lol. I just laughed at Mido 💀💀 And before I saw the distinctive lights of the Sages, I thought he was seeing Link return as a kid. (Obviously not true lol) However, now that I think about it, it's pretty meaningful that King Zora and Mido saw the green and blue sparkles, presumably representing Saria and Ruto. If they were in fact dead or unable to see them again, I like to believe that that was their final way of saying goodbye. It was an attempt to give their living loved ones closure 😭😭😰 so sweet but so sad
@PetProjects2011 2 жыл бұрын
I'm more used to the N64 graphics as opposed to the later 3D updates. So I'm always taken aback by how Saria's expression looks in the 3D version. It's so laid- back, like she just smoked a doobie.
@radiant_plays 3 жыл бұрын
“Personally, while I love the idea the the sages die...”
@vovabars1234 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao irk this sounds very wrong out of context
@milanbeerepoot4260 3 жыл бұрын
I think 90% of oot players love the idea of ruto being dead I like ruto but i understand a lot of people dont like her
@mikau1585 3 жыл бұрын
@@milanbeerepoot4260 I think the water temple made those ppl bitter, rightfully so
@milanbeerepoot4260 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikau1585 wellnot me I liked the water temple too And no i didnt play the 3ds version first I liked the music and atmosphere of the place and didnt mind going into my items all the time I guess some people are just impatient
@mikau1585 3 жыл бұрын
@@milanbeerepoot4260 Yeah, I don't have much of a problem with the temple. It really excels at some things! But having to constantly go into the menu for one stage and one stage alone is janky level design. Everyone's opinion is valid though :)
@ParadoxFreak 3 жыл бұрын
I played Ocarina of Time when it first launched and many, many, more times after that. It’s one of my favorite games of all time especially to replay. That being said, I NEVER knew that Ruto was warning you about the water in the boss room of the Water Temple. I was always thought it was Navi! 😆
@LMan86 3 жыл бұрын
Same. I always thought it was Navi warning you about the water too lol 😅
@wearywanderer1912 3 жыл бұрын
Based on what does he say it's Ruto? From all we know it's Navi.
@jaidens.g.1920 3 жыл бұрын
@@wearywanderer1912 In the Japanese version, Zoras have a verbal tic where they say "Zora" at the end of their sentences, and you can tell it's not Navi because of the color of the text being white instead of Navi's signature blue text
@wearywanderer1912 3 жыл бұрын
@@jaidens.g.1920 I imagined Zeltik wouldn't screw up, but he probably should've explained. It's not so obvious in the American version, the only sign is the text color.
@SpinelFan64 3 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@scott898586 3 жыл бұрын
I was always under the impression that in the final fight of the spirit temple, the two witches became one by using Naboru's body. Since the witches die at the end of the fight, it would only make sense that Naboru's body was destroyed to kill them.
@swagmiredoesall 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think that's the case. When they "recaptured" her they explicitly said it's because she commands a lot of respect among the gerudo and intended to brainwash her again to continue taking advantage of that respect.
@swagmiredoesall 2 жыл бұрын
That is a cool theory tho. If that was the case it probably would've had a greater implication though
@thomaswest2583 Жыл бұрын
I figured they used a teleport spell. Also they have twinrova in another they don't have to use someone's body. They did not use the sages body
@joelechenique5480 3 жыл бұрын
If they had to be dead to become sages, then why didn't just keep the first ones forever instead of the need to awake new ones? Used to think they were dead... now, almost 23 years later, not so much. Excellent video!
@bellar4346 3 жыл бұрын
I think good evidence for the fact that they're alive is that only 5 of the sages came back to death mountain. Roru, the only sage to be confirmed dead, wasn't there.
@jonusaguilar8156 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe Roru didn’t appear because he has little connection to current Hyrule.
@YujiUedaFan Жыл бұрын
@@jonusaguilar8156 That's not really the point. He could have appeared in owl form, since that's what he reincarnated as.
@brianmerritt5410 Жыл бұрын
I agree with the other 2, this is weak evidence.
@taylorsanada3180 Жыл бұрын
Plus wiki confirmed Rauru and the owl as the same being. The guy is speaking headcanon bs.
@FryJayPhilip Жыл бұрын
maybe roru must protect the secret realm
@Flaris 3 жыл бұрын
This is literally a question I had pondered for years right after beating that game. Love having a video to watch that really dives into it. Oh sure I wanted to win, but thinking that they might be dead made it feel really uneasy. All the more so with the uncertainty.
@ttt4778 3 жыл бұрын
Me too. I was sad as a kid to think that Saria might be dead, so it's good to see Zeltik talking about this.
@TheRealRidley12 3 жыл бұрын
That's the magic of the Zelda series. If you think things in OoT happen a certain way (sages all die/a few of the sages die), the game feels darker than it actually is. It's a sort of blessing in a way, in that it makes the games feel more impactful.
@999rupeesgreg 3 жыл бұрын
Sadly my first Legend Of Zelda game is Breath Of The Wild
@dpincay5375 3 жыл бұрын
@@ttt4778 dont worry about saria they returned in the end rememeber. Plus it specifically mentions in the official story that they were summoned as sages only to be stopped by ganon who infested the temples so link had to sort of cleanse in order to awaken them
@rogueoperative1547 2 жыл бұрын
To me, it makes way more sense if their dead. "Saria" is a perfect example. In the past, she's there in the grove, and gives you Saria's song. You return as an adult to the same location, and everything goes silent! Zelda comes in after you, and says "Time can be cruel". Secondly, a few of the elf's talk about her in past-tense. This is pretty self-evident to me.
@shadenox8164 Ай бұрын
Because Saria is too busy dealing with the forest temple to be playing her ocarina like she usually does.
@JuwanBuchanan 3 жыл бұрын
I never saw it that way as they died. I just think they just transcended into higher dimensional entitles, so high that they can't really interact in the same world as Link anymore in some way. Navi unfortunately more than likely died due to her role as a fairy and didn't want Link to see her disappear. Now that is tragic
@user-du9sh4bw1c 3 жыл бұрын
Personally I think even thematically it's stronger if they're alive. If say darunia dies by dragon and then becomes a sage, its not really much of a sacrifice for him to then become a sage when he's dead anyway. Whereas, if they're alive and actively choosing to leave hyrule and reside in the sacred realm for the rest of their lives so they can perform their duty, that's a much bigger sacrifice and dedication. If they're alive, they're actually giving up a lot more than if they're dead.
@brisell 3 жыл бұрын
Well, Darunia still died to save his people. Thats very honorable. Actually, if they all died (all the sages) they did it trying to save their people, what is more honorable than that?
@TheRealRidley12 3 жыл бұрын
@f 0 That's a good point.
@GODOFAWSOMENESS1 3 жыл бұрын
Darunia entered the boss chamber right in front of you so unless he fled to the sacred realm mid-fight he died he is 100% dead. He isn’t one to run from a fight though.
@brisell 3 жыл бұрын
@@GODOFAWSOMENESS1 yeah, Darunia was so brave, he wouldn´t scape! that is one of the Goron´s caracteristics, they are brave and honorable.
@user-du9sh4bw1c 3 жыл бұрын
@@GODOFAWSOMENESS1 Presumably (dead or alive) it would be Rauru bringing them into the sacred realm the first time rather than them actively choosing to go there. The same way Link is brought to the sacred realm when he pulls the sword without choosing to go there. So even alive he wouldn't be running from a fight, Rauru would be removing him from one. We know 100% that sages can be teleported from temples to the sacred realm. We know 100% living people can go there, because link does. The boss room is typically the 'heart' of the temple, so it would make sense that that's where the connection to the sacred realm is strongest and he can bring them in.
@noahpescatore8169 3 жыл бұрын
Huh. Now that you mentioned it, I never thought of it in that light. Just as death is a theme in Majora's Mask, Ocarina of Time is all about sacrifice: Link sacrifices his childhood for Hyrule's future, thus living forever with the knowledge of nobody remembering or knowing what he's done. Only Zelda and those in the Royal Family know and that's not much comfort. No wonder the Hero of Time is so beloved even to this day. He is the living definition of a tragic hero.
@fajile5109 3 жыл бұрын
Thats how i saw it. Link riding epona in despair into the lost woods. Brings him to termina. They basically took everything from him even something to fight.
@taylenday Жыл бұрын
I always thought it was quite obviously suggested the Sages died. Pretty much all of them went into the respective Temples and confronted the evil there in some way. So whether they actually died (I hope not but do think so) or, whether they did not actually die but simply were chosen and ascended in some way, almost makes no difference. They function very much similarly to what we could call a Guardian Angel of sorts, and I guess the only true difference would be that they did not need to suffer the transition of living to dead. But like the video said too, Darunia confronted the boss, and many other Sages did similar things so I personally have always assumed that they were dead or as good as dead, living on through grace and helping the living.
@ExodusCore 3 жыл бұрын
Thing is, if they were transformed into sages, it could be said that they still actually died. What I mean is, becoming a spirit being they would be forced to shed their mortal bodies and as such would effectively be "dead" even if they still continued to exist.
@swagmiredoesall 2 жыл бұрын
The problem with that argument is that Rauru, the only sage confirmed to be dead, can't fulfill his role anymore. That's why Zelda became the sage of light. If sages could be dead and still fulfill their role then why wouldn't Rauru continue his role as the sage if light? It's because he's dead and Zelda isn't.
@adamc5914 3 жыл бұрын
Zelda is the leader of the bunch, you know her well And she's finally back... To kick some tail
@joshdean5867 3 жыл бұрын
Donkey zelly
@lgbtlion9727 2 жыл бұрын
she's the seventh member of the sage's crew, UNH
@MononymousM 2 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I started thinking when he said that 😅
@MSOGameShow 3 жыл бұрын
"The sages, as glowing wisps, fly to DEATH mountain" I've always thought the sages died but never did I put 2 and 2 together on that one...
@firenze6478 3 жыл бұрын
It took me forever to realize that death mountain is called death mountain because it has a halo above it
@ChargeQM 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think they've necessarily died, as in something in the temples MURDERED them (though it is possible). I think they're more 'effectively' dead, as in their time living in Hyrule has ended and while they still protect it, they cannot stay within for very long at a time without expending energy needlessly.
@anonymousfellow8879 2 жыл бұрын
@@firenze6478 Nope. Death Mountain is a series staple since the first NES Game-and it has that name ‘cause its Dungeon Map is literally laid out like a skull and it’s where Link finally faces off against Ganon. In LttP-Onward it’s blatantly a volcano that chucks flaming rocks at Link; but the idea of Link needing to avoid getting hit by rocky debris already existed in Zelda1 in various mountainous areas (they were just avalanches/rockslides vs implied to be molten) But it’s DEATH Mountain ‘cause 1) series precedent and 2) volcanoes technically are mountains, just mountains that spit lava and whatnot at you (therefore making them Deadlier than regular mountains). Also 80s&90s melodrama for All Things Skull-Themed And Volcanic -seriously. If they could work in a skull or volcano into media of these eras, they did-
@swagmiredoesall 2 жыл бұрын
Why isn't Rauru there tho? He's the only sage that has actually been confirmed to have died. Also if dead sages could fulfill their role why would Zelda need to be the sage of light when Rauru is the sage of light? I think it's because Rauru is dead and Zelda isn't.
@MSOGameShow 2 жыл бұрын
@@swagmiredoesall Zelda has the blood of a goddess in her, so I think THAT waives a few things.
@fleixfire6641 3 жыл бұрын
I just realized how similar the situation the sages are in, is to the situation the champions encounter in breath of the wild. All of them tries to provide help for Link to defeat Ganon, but they are ultimately killed in the “temples” in which they were trying to help Hyrule in
@VGInterviews 3 жыл бұрын
I do think they seem to have "ascended" into some sort of higher beings and thus are not allowed to return to their normal lives, and specifically with Saria, her line of "not being able to live in the same world as Link" may be because as a sage she realized Link has travelled through time and in the end he will return to his true timeline, thus disappearing from "future Saria's world" Going back to they "dying" I think what happens is that the monsters in the temples are in charge of capturing them, not kill them, so maybe Ruto and Darunia, who disappear suddenly after meeting them in the temples are simply transported to some sort of prison linked to the boss of each temple, this would make sense with the fact that after beating te forest temple Sheik says to Link how he "freed" the sage, not avenged Different from when we meet the champions in BoTW Also, this might be a dumb point but, we do meet characters before and after their deaths: Dampé, Koume, and Kotake, and they all clearly have a halo over their heads, Dampé is a normal hylian so this doesn't have to be related to magic powers but the fact that none of the sages seem to have a halo makes me think they didn't die, at least in the traditional sense ( I understand that the halo could've been more for comedic effect specially on the witches, but going by a completely in-universe explanation based on canon events of the game, then they would need to have the halo if they were dead)
@ziegfeld4131 Жыл бұрын
Link doesnt time travel until Zelda screws up and sends him back when he pulls the Master Sword the first time he is sealed and sleeps for the entire time
@shadenox8164 Ай бұрын
@@ziegfeld4131 He time travels multiple times before that. Like for example he has to go back as young Link to get the silver gauntlets from the spirit temple. That can only be explained with some kind of time travel where he's sent back to the point before he was pulled into the future.
@WarmLillie 3 жыл бұрын
You know what they say.... Sacrifices had to be made to save the day
@WarmLillie 3 жыл бұрын
@@bastienlafleur5838 Yes actually ^^
@JCO78 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Also their sacrifice is more meaningful if they did it to save Hyrule.
@BenteinBjerke 3 жыл бұрын
@@bastienlafleur5838 Most likely not. :P Nothing suggests this at all really. What does exist would mostly be Saria's deep connection to nature and the spirits of the forest, and the lingering spirits of the dead throughout Hyrule in this game. And then there's the Triforce wielders and magic, and Hylia and descendants' ability to use magic.
@TriforceGamer 3 жыл бұрын
They give up their responsibilities? I wish I could do that
@dragonrand100audiobook 3 жыл бұрын
Don't we all sometimes?
@TheRealRidley12 3 жыл бұрын
They give up their responsibilities to have bigger responsibilities.
@BalboaBaggins 3 жыл бұрын
Just transition into a women 😀
@flup1303 3 жыл бұрын
@@BalboaBaggins What... don’t women have more responsibilities than men? Especially now in the 21st century where women are also expected to have jobs they have more responsibilities than ever. Why are sexists so stupid?
@BalboaBaggins 3 жыл бұрын
@@flup1303 "expected to have jobs"? lol by whom? Literally no one is forcing them to have jobs. It's what they prefer over being a wife, like they have been for the last 200.000 years and serves them better. Women have all the privileges and advantages in life, think about divorce, custody, #Me too lies, "equality" nonsense etc. etc. Don't turn this around and gain some life experience before posting something stupid on the internet.
@shelinkzelda 2 жыл бұрын
I think Rauru rescues Nabooru right there. The magic she disappears in matches his colour - Kotake and Koume are red and blue and their mixed power is purple - as seen when they abducted her when Link is a child. So I agree she's absolutely not dead. I think they only have to stay until the seal is more....sealed if you know what I mean. In Breath of the Wild both Ruto and Nabooru are named, I would have to check if they're described as ancestors though, because that would certainly be confirmation that they lived and eventually returned to their peoples. And who knows what happens with the timeline and the Sages.
@darkdrake0389 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, it always seemed to me that they weren’t permanently severed from the living world. More so that they had to stay until their duty was fulfilled.
@Darlexis 2 ай бұрын
Yes!! I thought the same thing!!
@lococomrade3488 Ай бұрын
Nah, they died.
@PlagueOfGripes 3 жыл бұрын
Just because they can be balls of light doesn't mean they're dead, PAIGE.
@maker0824 3 жыл бұрын
No reply to a great channel? Is it just because there is no variation mark?
@lukoscreyden 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe it is because the comment doesn't really add anything that warrants a reply.
@maker0824 3 жыл бұрын
@@lukoscreyden it was ok, and also I like the guy. People reply to much less substance for much less reason.
@shadowwhistle606 3 жыл бұрын
True
@ghettokage6104 3 жыл бұрын
That one power ranger would like to have a word with you
@IamCanadian3333 3 жыл бұрын
I'm more of the opinion that there were original "ancient" sages that were sages of their respective temples. But in the 7 year gap when Link was "asleep" in the Temple of Light, when Ganon took power, the ancient sages were killed by Ganondorf's forces (except for Rauru who conveniently was watching over Link during his slumber), which necessitated new sages to be awakened, thus the OOT sages. We see this concept in Wind Waker when the Wind and Earth sages were killed, and new ones had to be awakened (Makar and Medli in this case). Note that these original "ancient sages" were present in TP in the Child timeline where Ganondorf was subdued before he could take power courtesy of Link's warning.
@everthon2457 3 жыл бұрын
Ganondorf:😠 Sages:💀 ( that otaku and meat guy meme)
@sarahquayyum8176 3 жыл бұрын
but when we are a child princess ruto is still a child and i dont think you could be achild sage unless you are a kokiri
@leonelalejandrovazquez3060 2 жыл бұрын
@@sarahquayyum8176 In a Link Between Wolrlds Gulley is a small child and he is a sage
@joeyreidelbach5509 2 жыл бұрын
@@sarahquayyum8176 Ruto was a sage in the adult timeline but in the Kid timeline she wasnt cause the future was preventive by link with the triforce of courage showing kid zelda that her dream was real and the king took both warning serious since link used thr triforce of courage as evidence.
@IamCanadian3333 2 жыл бұрын
@@sarahquayyum8176 She wasn't a child at this time, because she wasn't awakened nor did she need to be. And in the Child Timeline, she as never awakened as Ganondrof was thwarted before he put his plan into action, courtesy of Young Link coming back form the Adult Timeline to warn the Royal Family of Ganondorf's treachery.
@shadowsniper37 3 жыл бұрын
No matter the answer their spirits will live on in our memories
@jpbrother 3 жыл бұрын
And Link's...
@FantasticAlbum77 3 жыл бұрын
Since I was a 7 year old kid I've been convinced Nabooru was a vessel for Kotake and Koume's double dynamite attack. That's why Link is so shocked when they fuse, because he recognizes it as a brainwashed Nabooru. So in this case the boss of the dungeon didn't kill the sage, Link did.
@johnbornosupport 5 ай бұрын
i think hes stunned because those old hags became hot for once lol
@Krayfishkarl 3 жыл бұрын
I've played this game so many times, but I never even considered why King Zora and Mido were away from everyone else in the first place. Ocarina of Time truly is brilliant with its subtle storytelling. It's like I learn something new about the game every time I come back to it.
@joshernsteen2066 Жыл бұрын
You should preferably try to track down the interviews that Nintendo agreed to do about the game in early 2000s about Ocerina of Time. They should at least somewhat interest you to some degree. Nintendo probably knowingly talked about things that they likely knew that people would eventually be playing the game every year to never have even heard of before reading the information of what they have to say about it. I believe that they may or not have admitted to specifically only talking about those points mlre specifically saying something like they will never ever find these out by themselves, and that they knew that eventually the game would eventually become a yearly tradition for fans of the series to eventually be doing in the future as well. Nintendo definitely admitted that they knew what would be said about the game in the future as well.
@volga6247 3 жыл бұрын
There is a theory that during the Twinrova boss fight the witches fuse with Nabooru and Link kills her during the fight.
@rodrigobalboa5532 3 жыл бұрын
This is super interesting!
@rezahydra 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve always took it as a form of ascension. They don’t die, though in most cases may of been in danger of such a fate before this. However they are raised into an ascended like state because of the realm calling to them. Still more or less spirits, but less so than the actual dead. Twilight Princess I feel shows this the best, where the sages are still clearly their OoT counterparts, but forgotten. Most, save the most important of Hyrule, don’t even know of them anymore. However despite being much older than ever before, they’re still them, and can even be killed.
@Joshyboy225 3 жыл бұрын
I always assumed the same thing!
@SuperGamefreak18 3 жыл бұрын
When twilight princess happens I see it as the OOT sages were never awaken because the original sages didn't need to be replaced because the temples were never corrupted. So the successor sages got to live out normal lives in the altered child timeline while the adult timeline they stayed in the sacred realm
@brisell 3 жыл бұрын
I don´t think there were other sages but what can support this theory is that we can see Ruto´s descendants.
@Lyk1n0 3 жыл бұрын
Just one question It’s pretty obvious that if the sages are immortals they lived till twilight princess era, and Ruto (water sage) was killed by ganon when trying to seal up Ganon But who will be the next sage of water after that? I think, the zora queen that died in twilight princess maybe became the sage of water after the ending
@sxywyka 3 жыл бұрын
This makes sense when you think about how hundreds of years have passed leading to the sages losing more an more identity though time and storytelling,. As their story is fresh and in the mind of those in after the events of OoT, they resemble their more individual selves, but as time passes they adopt more formal forms as seen in Twilight Princess.
@ryanbrown6542 3 жыл бұрын
I love this channel, someone so deeply enthralled with love for a video game series and could talk about it forever. I could listen forever too. Thanks Zeltik
@Puerkl8r 10 ай бұрын
The ending with the sages, even as a kid, left me so melancholy after I beat the game. Every good Zelda game since has some aspect that gives a similar feeling as well. I love it that they don't just gloss over that either and make it seem all happy. These characters give up their lives to be sages and as noble as it is, that's sad too. Another good moment like that is in Wind Waker where Prince Komali sits waiting for Medli to come back, and it's really sad that you know, she's never going to be able to come back.
@PeterPan54167 6 ай бұрын
But she does come back, she’s seen with Makar after Link and Tetra surface.
@sxywyka 3 жыл бұрын
Is it a coincidence that it was King Zora and Mido that were together? I mean a Zora would eventually be the Earth Sage and a Kokiri a Wind Sage which are the only sages in the Wind Waker.
@JohanJung 3 жыл бұрын
I liked that part and even more so now considered your comment.
@ChargeQM 2 жыл бұрын
Could be that Mido and King Zora forged a lasting bond with their people that took over as sages once there were new ones needed after the world flooded.
@krunschold 3 жыл бұрын
to Kotake and Koume maybe they say something different in the japanese original what was suited for the western market and changed (as it happened often). But since I can't read or speak japanese I don't know what they say in that scene
@Zeltik 3 жыл бұрын
I checked, and it's along the same lines! They intend to keep her brainwashed
@avengefullgirl95 3 жыл бұрын
I was curious so i found a japanese play through of OoT, that part pretty much translated exactly, basically they were like, "aw, she became sane.... time to brainwash her again!" lol
@SleepyGraugans 3 жыл бұрын
@@avengefullgirl95 I also think they sent her to some kind of prison to deal with after Link. Why else would they take their sweet time sinking her into that quicksand/black whole, if they could simply *snap* turn her? Plus, if they had an instant-kill move that could take out one of the strongest Gerudo warriors (albeit weakend), why change to simple ice and fire magic for Link?
@StonedHunter 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think it is a bigger sacrifice for them to still be alive. Knowing that they can never see their loved ones again, but don't have the comfort of knowing they are dead. I dunno it just seems like it would be harder to know you're alive but stuck in the Sacred Realm forever.
@RebeccaETripp Жыл бұрын
I think it's one of those things where it's not 100% literal. There are multiple reads on the situation, and many of them could be true. I always interpreted it as a kind of transcendence, where they become something less physical. It's like a death, but their bodies haven't necessarily been destroyed in the process. I really liked your idea of Rauru pulling them into the sacred realm. Since he was able to do that for Link, it makes total sense that he could do that for them as well. Alternatively, it could be that the process of "awakening" is what pulls them in, and the sacred realm might be more of a kind of "unseen realm" that's everywhere at once.
@somesadnerd 3 жыл бұрын
17:04 "Personally, while I *love* the idea that the sages die during ocarina of time..."
@Anths_art 3 жыл бұрын
i was like YOU FUCKING WHAT
@kooldadnetwork5607 3 жыл бұрын
I have this list of possible sages in Breath of the Wild: 1. Mipha- most water sages are Zora 2. Daruk- most fire sages are at least half-Goron 3. Urbosa- closely connected to Nabooru 4. Impa- sage of shadow is almost always Impa 5. Hestu- sage of wind or forest, both are children of Deku Tree and play magical instruments 6. Rhoam- strong connection to Rauru: both are long dead, resemble NES Old Man, situate Link in Temple of Time after long slumber, guide Link as alter-egos. He also uses some kind of light magic in Age of Calamity 7. Zelda- common sense Extra- Revali- only other wind sage is a Rito
@KeybladeXMage 3 жыл бұрын
The rito Medli and her zora predecessor were the Earth Sages. The Wind Sages were Makar, the korok, and the kokori before him.
@talantelorr 3 жыл бұрын
This channel is pretty bloody brilliant. Have listened to a lot of episodes lately. Love it.
@gamerchords4526 7 ай бұрын
Awesome stuff as always Zeltik!! 👏🏼
@Flora_Dawn 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe they didn’t die... maybe during the end credits when the sages appear on the mountain they where sent there after they where done helping seal Gannon away and where able to continue life. With king Zora and Mido thinking they where actually dead but then surprised and probably relieved to see they’re still alive.
@saraross8396 3 жыл бұрын
Mido is the spelling you are after.
@dpincay5375 3 жыл бұрын
Well said
@JCO78 3 жыл бұрын
I think they needed to be Sages in order to keep Ganondorf sealed.
@ChargeQM 2 жыл бұрын
@@JCO78 But perhaps they CAN return, now that he is sealed. Provided they reside in and protect their temples, it wouldn't be that out of line. Rauru's temple is in the Sacred Realm itself, which explains why he isn't among the group watching the sun rise! I think I'll go with this as my headcanon. It'd be such a happy scene, watching Link go back to his house after sealing the Master Sword and finding Saria there waiting for him.
@Flora_Dawn 2 жыл бұрын
@@saraross8396 thanks
@zenkaiangel977 3 жыл бұрын
I looked away for a second, then back at 16:58 and was like "silly Zeltik, putting a random cuckoo in the chamber of sages", then I quickly realized it was the perspective of the shot that made Nabooru and Ruto look like one "character" 🤣
@ulawan5 3 жыл бұрын
Video games are art y'all, thanks for coming to this wonderful literary analysis and thank YOU Zelink for putting your reading out there! I got stuck and wasn't ever able to finish Ocarina, so this was the first I heard of Naboru's story, and _wow_ that's hardcore I think it's cool though that there's still so much speculation about this game! it's really a testament to the impact of such elegant storytelling in this game that we had the pleasure of interacting with
@petersimpson4648 Жыл бұрын
I always believed that the sages who returned to Death Mountain simply materialized there to go back to Hyrule when they were ready, perhaps having some final duty to perform first.
@CharlesFerraro 3 жыл бұрын
Dude these rips from the 3DS version look so good!
@cinderblockstudios 3 жыл бұрын
I always assumed the sages were dead myself. Especially in the fire temple when you see Darunia enter the boss room but vanish by the time you arrive.
@ErokLobotomist 3 жыл бұрын
So glad I found your channel!!! I didn't realize I had to many questions about the Franchise until I actually thought of it. Cheers from Canada!!!
@shipdog3 Жыл бұрын
I always found it interesting that the towns in The Adventure of Link have the same names as the sages would later, and was always curious if there was a connection and what it is between them for the games through their timelines.
@harrisonberkhout1005 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought they never died but rather have up a physical form I also find it a bit strange that Darunias son isn't there celebrating
@sarahquayyum8176 3 жыл бұрын
prob because his Darunias son found out that his dad died but king zora and mido ore still there
@YujiUedaFan Жыл бұрын
Why were the Gorons celebrating anyway? Maybe they don't mind manly deaths. Darunia's son is probably too busy being the new ruler...
@harryguidotti3815 3 жыл бұрын
What if Kotake and Koume's spell didn't hit? What if that light we see take Nobooru is actually some kind of devine force taking her to the Sacred Realm in a dire moment?
@staceylee4081 3 жыл бұрын
That is a possibility. After watching the video again, I noticed that when Nabooru originally gets abducted by Kotake and Koume she gets pulled into a purple portal. This makes sense since Kotake's magic is blue and Koume's magic is red (blue + red = purple). The second time they go to kidnap her, she disappears in a yellow light. I think either Rauru or her awakening sage powers teleported her to the Sacred Realm just before their magic hit her.
@SALshaNoma 3 жыл бұрын
I never really thought of them as dead but being a sage made them a special kind of being that's part of the spirit realm, not alive or dead. They are the guardians of their respective temples. I saw it as they awaken to their role as sage just as Zelda and Link awaken to their roles as Wisdom and Courage.
@sigurdtheblue 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, I was wondering about this a few months ago and was surprised you never did a video on it. Glad to see it here now. I did not know that there was discussion about this for a long time and thought it was something that most people just took for granted. That forum thread is all the way back in 2008, pretty cool.
@Two_NPCs 3 жыл бұрын
12:32 she’s the leader of the group! Transformed from the norm by the nuclear goop!
@georgenavarro5166 3 жыл бұрын
Ganondorf: Yes there dead and locked in my basement..
@adamc5914 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, you have to be 13 or older to have a KZfaq account
@adamc5914 3 жыл бұрын
@Meme Man For Smash! It implies that it's a preteen edgelord comment. Just a joke that wasn't meant to be mean, sorry if you didn't think it was funny :)
@vovabars1234 3 жыл бұрын
Adam c ??? I thought it was a funny joke
@kcplayz8211 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing theory. I love the background music. Just love it
@furnoprime9439 3 жыл бұрын
6:09 I love how when Darunia drops down, it matches perfectly with the beginning sound of the Goron Mines theme.
@bloodblues85 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it could definitely be true! Also, I've been playing OoT since it came out and I never connected that part at the end with King Zora and Mudo and that they were sad for losing people they loved. Wow that's so cool!!
@Boko 3 жыл бұрын
My personal kind of headcanon was that when they reached the boss/final room of the temple they got somehow sent into the sacred realm rather than dying to whatever boss is there, since like there'd have to be some way for heading into the temples to take them there irrespective of if a boss is in the dungeon, especially since when Link is sent there too after beating the bosses, it is from the same room. Only thing I'm unsure on with that is Nabooru, maybe Twinrova teleported her into the boss room when mind controlling her and that got her freed/sent to the sacred realm.
@cliftonturnbull3748 3 жыл бұрын
Really glad I found this channel really good content
@AngryGnomeify 5 ай бұрын
The line saying that the water isn't normal from Princess Ruto, I had always thought it was Navi saying that.
@SourDohSteele 2 жыл бұрын
So that means in the child timeline, they're all still alive?
@raddydaddy1785 3 жыл бұрын
I am super sown for ocarina of time theory
@Austin.D 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is so Addicting i can't stop watching you're videos
@fatalwaffle1715 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video bro!
@pdspear1 3 жыл бұрын
Theory: All the sages did die. Nabooru was kidnapped and took her own life rather than risk being a minion for Ganondorf again.
@swagmiredoesall 2 жыл бұрын
With what? She doesn't have a weapon when she's transported, and I don't imagine they're going to teleport her to a cell witha table of things she can use to kill herself or even get out. That just seems like a terrible play on their part.
@sambo416 2 жыл бұрын
@@swagmiredoesall hung herself with her scarf
@simonbelmont9324 3 жыл бұрын
I never thought that they actually died. I always understood it as they were awakened by a higher power to become guardians of Hyrule and the mortal world and leave their old lives behind for a greater purpose. As for Darunia, maybe it was just my innocent child mind, but I always figured a higher power intervened and awoke him as a sage and took him to the sage chamber or a higher plane of existence where he can learn the truth before his face off with Volvagia because Volvagia was only meant to be defeated by Link and Link only because it is part of the hero of times destiny. The sages have an entirely different purpose and destiny.
@hyruleanprivate9743 3 жыл бұрын
Love the vid dude! 👍
@draccoonxcii1288 2 жыл бұрын
Darunia enters Volvagia's chamber all _fired_ up for battle, when a portal opens behind him and Rauru yanks him into the Chamber of Sages by the shoulders. _"Mmm-Nope, you're needed here."_
@tss3393 3 жыл бұрын
When it comes to Koume and Kotake "brainwashing [Nabooru] again," I always thought they used her body as a vessel for their Double Dynamite Attack. Link is shown to be shocked to see that form in the cutscene, so I always thought it was because the witches were forcing Nabooru to fight him again. It'd make Nabooru's fate even more tragic and, in regards to her, give the theory some merit since we'd then know exactly how she died before becoming a sage. Perhaps Link anticipated her to awaken as the sage and that's why he wouldn't have hesitated to continue the fight.
@msw0322 Жыл бұрын
That would indeed make Nabooru's death more tragic, but I just remembered that Twinrova uses the double dynamite attack in the Oracle of Ages/Seasons games too. Nabooru isn't in those.
@FoguYanker 3 жыл бұрын
Now i want to play Ocarina of time again.
@Jason_Van_Stone 3 жыл бұрын
I literally watched a video on Twilight Princess a couple months ago, and after 13 years, (bought it for the wii, and bought an hdmi converter because I don't have a game cube anymore), and HAD to play it again. 🤣 So I say go for OoT
@cornjeebus 3 жыл бұрын
I want to play through the timeline up to Wind Waker again haha
@dargossss 3 жыл бұрын
Me too...
@GolFish89 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for making this. 👍
@Historicutuber 3 жыл бұрын
Such a. Great video. Always wondered this
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