Driving a 1964 Mack B-61 quad box.

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Zachary Larsson

Zachary Larsson

8 жыл бұрын

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@coodaygraw1
@coodaygraw1 5 жыл бұрын
First truck I ever drove was -Model mack with 2 sticks. I was 14 and went with my dad to Key West. He didn't have a load back so he went in search of beer and loose women. The dispatcher called and told me to get him, he had to get back to Miami for a quick load. He was high so he told me to drive. That was back when they had the old narrow bridges on US1. I did fine and got him back to Homestead where he had sobered up.Great experience for the first time. Been doing it for 50 years now
@rosspbarnett458
@rosspbarnett458 Жыл бұрын
WOW !
@samsonagonistes9856
@samsonagonistes9856 9 ай бұрын
Knew an old trucker with a similar story to yours, started when he was 16 hauling watermelons to NY from NC(something like that) with an older man who was an alcoholic who used to tell him it was his turn because he was too drunk to drive
@frankiebuglione1390
@frankiebuglione1390 3 ай бұрын
Learned how to drive on a 74 dm800 with a quad box. 53 mph top speed lol.
@windellisgreat
@windellisgreat 6 жыл бұрын
I've heard stories about grandpa shifting with his arm through the wheel and whatnot on a triplex, going down county roads called arm breakers haha this kid has talent for sure. Doesn't even think twice about the clutch, beautiful.
@xfactorautomotive1496
@xfactorautomotive1496 2 жыл бұрын
It's awesome to see a young man interested in old iron and dedicated enough to learn how to drive the old truck and start the old tractors...and drive the new trucks like a pro! Good job, Zach!! Keep it up. Your videos give me hope for the younger generation.
@jaybee6618
@jaybee6618 Жыл бұрын
I drove a 65 or 66 B-61 winch truck just like this. Had to stick my arm through the steering wheel just like him to change gears of both transmissions.
@roberthepburn7461
@roberthepburn7461 2 жыл бұрын
That's the truck I learned to drive when I was 15 Sweet brings back good memories of my dad and uncle
@dannyblack4629
@dannyblack4629 7 жыл бұрын
love the sound of that engine. I could always tell when he was getting close to home. you never forget that engine sound
@klaidenmorad103
@klaidenmorad103 5 жыл бұрын
you remind me my dad when he was coming from trip like you say all of us knew when hearing his 1942 mack engine sound from far away. good memories .
@Coltrain-qz5gl
@Coltrain-qz5gl 6 жыл бұрын
Some serious skill, in Australia we have quad road trains and I’ve had the privilege of driving one pulling 175 tonnes using every gear in an 18 speed road ranger transmission but would probably miss every gear trying out a quad box for the first time. I would definitely clean some teeth on a few runs but would love to learn one day.
@claytontanner7631
@claytontanner7631 4 жыл бұрын
Give him credit for driving an twin stick. You never need to stick your hands through the steering wheel in order to shift. All you need is one hand to shift the two sticks. Keep your foot off the clutch!
@ernestpassaro9663
@ernestpassaro9663 4 ай бұрын
Yes I never used the clutch and was told by old timers never shift through the steering wheel
@pointingdog7235
@pointingdog7235 2 жыл бұрын
I'd say give him credit for trying it out and then putting it on KZfaq. So the smart ass know it alls can make snide remarks about it. When they may not have driven a twin stick. I'd say that you are doing a good job with a twin stick. Keep at it.
@shaynewood715
@shaynewood715 3 жыл бұрын
Started trucking in one ,75,ton payload of logs loved everyminute of it
@nicodemusblackbird5617
@nicodemusblackbird5617 4 жыл бұрын
god do i remember driving these,called skill,then hand bombing the whole load by hand.good olde days
@chriscole6668
@chriscole6668 6 жыл бұрын
The good old days when things came with ashtrays lol
@daltonbrink9924
@daltonbrink9924 4 жыл бұрын
For what a new truck costs, that damn thing better not only have an ashtray, but also a butler to light my cigarette!
@andrewnorris1514
@andrewnorris1514 3 жыл бұрын
Woodsie Owl says dont smoke
@357bullfrog9
@357bullfrog9 3 жыл бұрын
Yea that was B.C. before clinton
@Antiquetractorsetc
@Antiquetractorsetc 5 жыл бұрын
That was awesome. No grinding. You shift this real good and your about my age. I’ve wanted one of these trucks for a long time. I’ve always thought they were cool.
@davidvillarreal6732
@davidvillarreal6732 7 жыл бұрын
great job young man. Macks never die.
@ernestpassaro9663
@ernestpassaro9663 2 жыл бұрын
That steering wheel could break your arm !
@timslager5966
@timslager5966 5 жыл бұрын
Great job on the split shift going up, but instead of arm thru the steering wheel, try putting your knee up to hold the wheel. You can accomplish the same result and if you hit a pothole you avoid a nasty bruise! Ah what memories! Thanks for the vid! I had many a mile in a B61 SX ten wheeler.
@dannork1240
@dannork1240 2 ай бұрын
Just the sheer amount of WORK that guy is doing, just moving that truck around…👏🏻
@gilbert.kstevenson5046
@gilbert.kstevenson5046 6 жыл бұрын
I drove a 62 KW with a V12 Detroit over the road loved it had to learn it and she was a five and four miss them days 73 guys sloppy joe Columbus Ohio
@fredallen7493
@fredallen7493 5 жыл бұрын
Oh man the sweet days of the " buzzin dozen" the 5×4 quad.
@apocyldoomer
@apocyldoomer 2 жыл бұрын
Man, I was a truck driver for 25 years, I’d be lost in those gears, suicide shifting, the automatic tractors were just starting to come out when I stopped driving, due to a career ending on the job injury. I floated the gears, only using the clutch to start and stop, but this cool old Mack, I’d be grinding the shist out of them! I preferred a Mack or a Kenworth in my time.
@whitetiger8652
@whitetiger8652 7 жыл бұрын
Nice job! I have been driving trucks for 38 years and while it is good to be able to shift without the clutch, my personal preference is to always use the clutch and yes I have driven Macks with the quadruplex and tri plex transmissions before. Once again that was a great job!
@yamahonkawazuki
@yamahonkawazuki 6 жыл бұрын
something i had longed to try. since becoming a monopod though, it wont happen i dont think, but it showed a younger person willing to try. imagine doing this in traffic lol.
@chrisoconnell5143
@chrisoconnell5143 7 ай бұрын
Just gotta know your truckand the truck knows you!!!
@josephrichardson9662
@josephrichardson9662 6 жыл бұрын
Wow. Nice job. I'm jealous. I've always wanted to experience driving this old trucks and transmissions.
@blacksheep6996
@blacksheep6996 7 жыл бұрын
I miss the old Dog I started on. Loved it. Made you feel special.
@donaldbartram6315
@donaldbartram6315 4 жыл бұрын
Brings back memories of hauling sand & stone to the concrete pipe plant,, Mine was an old R model in 82 we were still running them & a couple of B model 10 wheelers
@101golder
@101golder 7 жыл бұрын
pretty good for someone younger than the truck!!
@zlars97
@zlars97 7 жыл бұрын
101golder thank you
@SternDrive
@SternDrive 7 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed your video very much. Shifting well is a lost art.
@nghtwtchmn129
@nghtwtchmn129 4 жыл бұрын
I'm pleasantly surprised that anyone under the age of 60 can still drive something that complicated.
@ethenv.4717
@ethenv.4717 4 жыл бұрын
I work in the woods and the old crane truck has a 5x3 and a mind of her own
@ladymarin8331
@ladymarin8331 4 жыл бұрын
Dgjfhkddghfqroyootorid@@SternDrive
@dannyblack4629
@dannyblack4629 7 жыл бұрын
loved to watch my dad drive the B Mack . constantly changing those gears
@realtruth172
@realtruth172 Жыл бұрын
the quadraplex was a pleasure to drive on old hwy 18 in wisconsin after a while it felt like a variable speed trans
@enzoberletti1681
@enzoberletti1681 7 жыл бұрын
cuantos recuerdos al ver como conduce,a mis 14 años mi padre que tenia un mack lanova con motor B41 me permitia manejarlo cuando no llevaba carga,se me cae un lagrimon de la emocion, un saludo a todos quienes aprendieron a manejar de chicos un aparato como este,gracias .
@Jleed989
@Jleed989 5 жыл бұрын
Great to see a young guy, balls to the walls, shifting his way through this!
@plod9645
@plod9645 Жыл бұрын
young fella is right on the money , hand through the wheel is exactly how it is done .
@shrinocri
@shrinocri Жыл бұрын
skrzynia biegów w tym wozie to istny majstersztyk
@jimposey3963
@jimposey3963 6 жыл бұрын
We had a old B model, we called it “ the comin home truck”. Loaded going to the job it would run 40mph, comin home it would run 80mph, if you had balls enough to hold it there!
@anibalbabilonia1867
@anibalbabilonia1867 2 жыл бұрын
Dude that’s pretty cool! Nice truck!👌😎👍
@johnbaptist1928
@johnbaptist1928 3 жыл бұрын
Kids got the knack!
@bbanks908
@bbanks908 2 жыл бұрын
Best old school truck ever bilt
@lovetrain442
@lovetrain442 7 жыл бұрын
Well done young man. 😎
@Barchenhund
@Barchenhund 2 жыл бұрын
Through the steering wheel👍That’s the way my Dad would shift his B model with integrated sleeper.
@jytheiowaguy1897
@jytheiowaguy1897 7 жыл бұрын
not many young people can drive those, good job!
@christophermay4366
@christophermay4366 7 жыл бұрын
JY The Iowa Guy I'm pretty sure he was taught by his dad or grandpa....probably part of a long time family business fleet...when I was a child my dad took my brother and I to the construction sites....one guy had a 1960's Mack dump truck with twin sticks....my brother now is an otr driver
@christophermay4366
@christophermay4366 7 жыл бұрын
JY The Iowa Guy I'm 44 and my brother 47....the guy in the video is pretty young....it is cool to see young people enjoying what the previous generation had....
@MrTheHillfolk
@MrTheHillfolk 7 жыл бұрын
JY The Iowa Guy Yea great job. I drove one once, good thing my buddy knew what to do,he'd yell when to shift and shift the other box for me😂 Not really a drive but around a gravel yard. Tons of respect to the guys who used to do this all day, I got a 5 minute insight on how hard it is.
@BrowerBandit
@BrowerBandit 6 жыл бұрын
nope, and these trucks are the reason im having a hard time getting my CDL with the new laws.
@ralinbailey4651
@ralinbailey4651 6 жыл бұрын
JY The Iowa Guy t
@chuckgladfelter
@chuckgladfelter 2 ай бұрын
Those manual steering trucks were something else. I learned pretty quick to hold the steering wheel loosely on the potholes.
@stevelord5731
@stevelord5731 4 жыл бұрын
My ultimate bucket list! I've been driving for 30 years and I've never been able to drive a twin stick. My father always told me stories about driving a truck like this young man is doing..... I'm so envious! Great job sir!
@ethenv.4717
@ethenv.4717 4 жыл бұрын
They are slow shifting trans don't hurry it when shifting up or down peace of cake after u get the hang of them
@stephenclark5812
@stephenclark5812 7 жыл бұрын
Drove a 5 and a 4 Mack for years and I can tell you that sticking your arm through the steering wheel is a very good way to break your arm!
@SternDrive
@SternDrive 7 жыл бұрын
Lots of guys did it though. I always used one hand for the 5 & 3 Mack. They are so much fun. Have not driven one in 43 years. Today my favorite is a Pete with a 15 speed and a Cat. Now that is trucken' !
@allenblackman1459
@allenblackman1459 7 жыл бұрын
My Dad drove one for many years, double clutch & ran his arm thru the spokes of the wheel and NEVER broke an arm.
@twinoaks8844
@twinoaks8844 7 жыл бұрын
Only if you are in the woods and hit a stump with a front tire. Otherwise perfectly safe.
@alitn588
@alitn588 6 жыл бұрын
Me and my father change it it with our beck of the left hand stick to the wheel.
@kevinswinyer3176
@kevinswinyer3176 4 жыл бұрын
I drove a B Model Mack with a 5 & 4, and I always went through the wheel to shift, and have never suffered a Broken Arm from doing it either.
@Tc-ev9dd
@Tc-ev9dd Жыл бұрын
They don’t make them Like this anymore lmao! Oh the memories. I remember the first time I tried this.
@jonnothetrucker
@jonnothetrucker 4 жыл бұрын
I'm in awe of your skill mate ! I'd give anything just to have a go at driving a quad box
@SOU6900
@SOU6900 3 жыл бұрын
My brain at 0:59: Get in there you silly son of a....
@re-rail9885
@re-rail9885 5 жыл бұрын
Learned on a quad too. Well done!
@KenHayward
@KenHayward 7 жыл бұрын
AWESOME keep up the good work :) :)
@donaldswink6259
@donaldswink6259 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent job on that twin stick.
@user-tc8us3qk1f
@user-tc8us3qk1f 5 ай бұрын
I had1965,, B-57 and 1980 RM 600 w/ quadboxes . Fun trucks to drive in the day !
@randyowens2717
@randyowens2717 4 жыл бұрын
Good sounding engine!
@josepolar2106
@josepolar2106 3 жыл бұрын
A pesar de haber colgado su video de su camión hace 4 años, es una máquina preciosa, como desearía poder conocer y realizar la operación de una máquina similar, precioso su camión bendiciones
@williamallen2182
@williamallen2182 4 жыл бұрын
i drove my first Mack Quadra-plex in 1964 in a B-81 (had been driving triplex in B-61s for a couple of years before got into the Quadra-plex. Great shifters, easy in aux without using clutch.
@Rafalito75
@Rafalito75 4 жыл бұрын
Well done man :) Now i know what they have in Fast&Furious series ;))
@danschneider9921
@danschneider9921 3 жыл бұрын
My grandfather tried to show me on a '61 IHC Emeryville. Never could get a grip on it
@thomaskuzyk9802
@thomaskuzyk9802 8 жыл бұрын
Great trucks. Bob Reimer mentioned shifting through the steering wheel. He wrote the B MODEL MACK SONG by THE COUNTRY TIGERS CANADA. Tks for viedo and drive safe
@thomaskuzyk9802
@thomaskuzyk9802 6 жыл бұрын
Hats off to these drivers. Splendid job.
@thomaskuzyk9802
@thomaskuzyk9802 4 жыл бұрын
WATCHING THE PRO SHIFT, MAKES IT LOOK SO EASY THE COUNTRY TIGERS CANADA JUNE 28 2020
@georgewilson1184
@georgewilson1184 3 жыл бұрын
Cool I always wanted to do that. But the companies I drove for did not have these. It was all road rangers
@josephrivett6158
@josephrivett6158 6 жыл бұрын
I always shifted the main, then the auxiliary afterwards. The one time I tried "arm through the steering wheel", I got confused as to what gears I was selecting.
@jeffpennacchio
@jeffpennacchio 4 жыл бұрын
you can brake your wrist if you hit a bump in the road......some one told me that 1980............
@andrewnorris1514
@andrewnorris1514 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Scooter one lever at a time
@larrycobb3102
@larrycobb3102 5 жыл бұрын
The first truck I drove was a B-61 Mack with a quad. The good old days. Lol.
@stepitupmorons8704
@stepitupmorons8704 6 жыл бұрын
nice job,,, keep trucking
@captainedc
@captainedc 7 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly you go from low to direct to high. Lo-Lo is only for first gear or reverse and u don't shift up from them. JUST used for creeping or pulling big loads.You can skip direct often or just use main 5 spd trans when empty or going down hills.Not bad shifting. Mine used to get stuck and had to get out and use a crow bar and pull on trans linkage. NICE video.
@zlars97
@zlars97 7 жыл бұрын
captainedc correct
@jessehouston1646
@jessehouston1646 7 жыл бұрын
I ran a Mack like that on farm ground, you had to be one fast man following a silage chopper. But when you got stuck in mud you could choose a fast reverse gear when needed.
@joez8914
@joez8914 2 жыл бұрын
You can shift the main box without going through the auxiliary at lower speeds if your fairly light.
@9carcottrell246
@9carcottrell246 5 жыл бұрын
Dats a real truck not like the plastic junk they make today
@steves8014
@steves8014 3 жыл бұрын
nice--and shifting with no clutch--nice to see a young guy mastering it.
@stevenpovlis669
@stevenpovlis669 3 жыл бұрын
Impressive
@GnonplussedGnome
@GnonplussedGnome 3 жыл бұрын
Learned to drive on a Quad, took my driving test with a 4X4,
@daniel55645
@daniel55645 7 жыл бұрын
I'd love to have one of these old B models
@bhaygood7306
@bhaygood7306 6 жыл бұрын
Good gob young man I see all the comments about arm thu the wheels very few understand 👍🙏
@Retired88M
@Retired88M 5 жыл бұрын
Wow a B model with power steering; must have been an owner operator that ordered it originally
@SOU6900
@SOU6900 3 жыл бұрын
What gives it away exactly that the truck has power steering? I'm not familiar with trucks from that era.
@Retired88M
@Retired88M 3 жыл бұрын
@@SOU6900 the ease at which he steered it with one hand. Most trucks of that era had “Arm Strong” manual steering
@johnsiders7819
@johnsiders7819 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe had air assist ?? I have a old R with that .
@Retired88M
@Retired88M 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnsiders7819 maybe 🤔
@johnsiders7819
@johnsiders7819 3 жыл бұрын
@@Retired88M Or it can be added Mack had not changed the frame or engine design in over 40 years you could add a power box and the pump drive I tinker with old Macks do not have a B but did work on one for a man Mine are 70s R DM and U ones
@RC-ml3ne
@RC-ml3ne 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I drove a DM 800 with a five and four. Pretty easy once you get the hang of it...
@southfromtexas2527
@southfromtexas2527 5 жыл бұрын
I did this for years I've also had that steering wheel break my thumb a few times it would get binded up
@renatovieira1202
@renatovieira1202 6 жыл бұрын
Gostei das trocas de marchas
@johnharrington2831
@johnharrington2831 7 жыл бұрын
That's what I'm talking about that's the way it's suppose to be done ...not skipping around or cramming just smooth gentle shifting and all of them in order, your good, these clowns get on utube grinding and cramming and skipping gears and think they are something great.(and) they are but it's not a truck driver, young man I'm happy there's still some one that knows the old days ways..thank you for a great video...Johnny B.
@paulmcmaster5883
@paulmcmaster5883 7 жыл бұрын
The kid is aces !!!
@truckdaddy1957
@truckdaddy1957 7 жыл бұрын
Keep them thumbs up!
@davidbeachel
@davidbeachel 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t think I could. Nope. My hats off to the young man!
@juliojaramillo7179
@juliojaramillo7179 3 жыл бұрын
Excelente camión
@Darstrom
@Darstrom 7 жыл бұрын
great shifting! not a single grind!
@michaelquillen2679
@michaelquillen2679 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, last time I did that was 45 years ago.
@billhager3811
@billhager3811 3 жыл бұрын
been there done that for years
@cerberus_the_rapper3096
@cerberus_the_rapper3096 5 жыл бұрын
Representing Rhode Island!! RT Nunes!
@26TptCoy
@26TptCoy 4 жыл бұрын
Mostly I would only use the two high gears in the joey like a splitter, (the joey being the smaller box) but you had to use both hands to change and your knee to hold the steering wheel. I found if you use the lower gears it would spin the jack shaft too fast and wasn't recomended although sometimes there was a need to when loaded and going up hills that had a gradual climb. Changing down was also a full or a 1 and 1/2 shift. It was a lot of fun back then.
@johnsavoy4784
@johnsavoy4784 6 жыл бұрын
Mack quadraplex was a 5&4 that makes it a 20 speed,although you did not have to use all the gears, The triplex 5&3 was my favorite 2 stick, the TDRL1070 12 speed was a good Mack tranny as well with air shift,However if you had drivers on your truck, the 2 stick 6 speed couldn't be beat ,it was idiot proof
@ericroger8982
@ericroger8982 5 жыл бұрын
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@ericroger8982
@ericroger8982 5 жыл бұрын
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@ernestpassaro9663
@ernestpassaro9663 2 жыл бұрын
Those thermodynes had a distinctive sound
@macb124
@macb124 7 жыл бұрын
now that is shifting!!
@KPearce57
@KPearce57 4 жыл бұрын
My first truck was a B62 triplex 16 years old with farm plates so I could drive it to pick up brewers grain for the cows.
@user-zi1tw6nv2u
@user-zi1tw6nv2u 2 ай бұрын
My dad drove these. That was a lot work.
@mangopog9814
@mangopog9814 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I remember shift 30 minutes and doing 45mph 😅🤣🤣🤣🤣
@darrylrickert5382
@darrylrickert5382 2 жыл бұрын
That rig 2yrs older than me
@boblogIIIfan
@boblogIIIfan 2 жыл бұрын
nice one but how do you drink a melbourne bitter longneck with your arm thru the steering wheel??
@forestlawrencegrading9154
@forestlawrencegrading9154 7 жыл бұрын
we used to have Ford dump trucks out of Canada with the five by fours we had this one guy called wild Willy well he could drink A6 pack of Busch and shift that thing frontwards backwards upside-down words and get pulled over by a cop he could put his finger on his nose with his eyes closed and hop backwards on one foot
@ernestpassaro9663
@ernestpassaro9663 Жыл бұрын
And he is going about 10 mph shifting all those gears 😂
@kelumrupasinghe4051
@kelumrupasinghe4051 3 жыл бұрын
What is shifting system? Pls explain .
@ernestpassaro9663
@ernestpassaro9663 2 жыл бұрын
He must have power steering on that old mack he is turning with one hand !
@Thirdgen83
@Thirdgen83 7 жыл бұрын
Looka like a lot of work...
@thomasglynn2282
@thomasglynn2282 3 жыл бұрын
Keep practicing kid you'll get it. First truck I drove was a 1956 LJ Mack hard-nosed with a 5x4 with 24in rubber and I was only16 and just started working as a diesel mechanic and are LJ was are wrecker, we owned no trucks we were repair only. and because I'm tall I used my knee to hold the steering wheel never but your arm through the wheel. Where I grew up we had a lot of gravel banks and quarries around so you did a lot of off road driving and trust me you didn't want your arm through the wheel when you hit a good size rut and the wheel spun around with your arm in it. One other thing be careful when you spin the wheel with your right hand to make a left hand turn, many times I shoved my thumb into the windshield near the driver side door jamb. There's not a big gap between the steering wheel and windshield. I started working on trucks it was 1982 and there was still trucks from the 1960s on the road still. By the time I was 17 I could drive and operate most trucks and heavy equipment. Construction was booming and we where busy as hell. Most of the farms around had an old truck laying around for yard use, a lot of KB model IH and B model Macks. Hope you restore that beast. Good luck.
@johnmclaurinmclaurin924
@johnmclaurinmclaurin924 3 жыл бұрын
Man that young man is driving like an old timer
@johnsiders7819
@johnsiders7819 3 жыл бұрын
Remember not both in neutral at the same time :) I have 3 old quad box Macks I fool with you got a air starter on that one ??
@deathmetalmachine
@deathmetalmachine 4 жыл бұрын
That's back when the high and low gears had a separate gear shifter I wouldn't mind 4 wheel drive like that
@TheRoguelement
@TheRoguelement 6 жыл бұрын
OMG Dude you lucky dog you have Power steering ?? OMG I wish I had it when I learned ...
@zigwald
@zigwald 3 жыл бұрын
the only thing worse than driving one of these? clutching one!!!!!
@charlesprice6698
@charlesprice6698 3 жыл бұрын
Be careful when you turn the steering wheel spinner where you at off-road especially will fly back break your fingers if you wasn't watching it
@R6-D2
@R6-D2 7 жыл бұрын
lol 6 people couldn't figure out how to shift. I remember shifting going backwards and hauling ass!
@SternDrive
@SternDrive 7 жыл бұрын
I used to drive an old Mack that had 5 reverse gears. We were hauling gravel in triple axle semi belly dumps. Sometimes the job required going backwards very fast. I never got into 5th reverse, but I did hit 4th quite a few times
@jimposey3963
@jimposey3963 6 жыл бұрын
We had some too, we hauled a lot of bridge beams, you could hit 5 reverse on a long back job. The longest back I remember was 12 miles.
@David-wu7jj
@David-wu7jj 4 жыл бұрын
First truck I ever drive was a B - 85 ten wheel dump truck nice job
@familycool9976
@familycool9976 6 жыл бұрын
Twin stick Mack That’s the 5/4 box multi torque..?????
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