Special thanks to you, Zullie, for fueling my new obsessive daydream for the next month: Elden Ring underwater themed DLC with sea monster bosses

also, many creatures on the map could leave the players speculating over a water-themed DLC or something

It's a good point that fiction and myth would exist even within a fantasy realm! Plenty of tales are woven to inspire folk, like the tales in Dark Souls, which aren't necessarily fictional, but certainly spin the weave a particular way..

That's what I want to think as well. Maybe there's like, one or two messed up sea creatures? But the rest are just someone saying "wait, you saw a FISH with a man's face!?" and going ham when in reality someone just saw like, a beluga whale from an odd angle or something.

Hi, Zullie, recently I am reading a manga called 宗像教授異考録 (Professor Munakata's Study Notes) and the first chapter 巫女の血脈 (Bloodline of Shrine Maiden) introduces the story of stone statues from Jōmon period of Japan (縄文時代). The face of stone statues resembles Godwyn's distorted face perfectly. I recommend you to check it and do a video if you would like to (The Wikipedia titlepage of Jōmon period features the very stone statue). I also recommend this manga because it contains many interesting stories about Japanese folk tales but I do not know if the manga has an English translation.

it is the side effect of the gigantic pocket universe inventory in the tarnished's butt

While you learned to swim, the tarnished studied the blade.

I think a significant majority of people on earth cannot float/swim

Marika removed the Rune of Swimming.

John Marston: first time?

I’m surprised they didn’t take the opportunity to do something like that with all the other little secrets and Easter eggs they put into the game

@@brub1738 I think Its because the Fromsoft games are famous by the phrase: If you see it you can go there, so making a distant inaccesible event like that would be frustrating by the veteran company players and a contradiction to their design philosofy (sry for the broken english)

​@@ymotle (you came across just fine dw) i think this is a very good way of thinking of it. games, especially ones where the director/producer is so close to the management of every team, tend to be tied to certain maxims of design. it helps make them intuitive and consistent in that way that makes games enjoyable.

People would simply find about it by looking into game files

@@ymotle wrong, there are 2 massive landmasses you can seem from the Lands Between and we can't go there. (they're also ACTUAL models and not just texture in the skybox)

Bert speaks for every Intovert invited to a party...

Bert’s a pretty cool fellow, I have no idea why people are a tab bit terrified of him

Oh my bad I didn’t know he was chill like that

Ah he don’t bite.

Good ol' Bert, he's just a funny lil' guy!

Wind Waker music perfectly fit the video topic, imo.

If you had played Wind Waker, you would know this music fits perfectly.

She uses zelda's songs at random, i doubt WW was on purpose

@@abragramstinkin1345 We really out here transvestigating somebody we know absolutely nothing about. And even if she's trans, who cares? Go outside and stop being so obsessed.

​@@bladeoflucatiel This is a video about sea creatures and Wind Waker is about the sea, of course it's on purpose. Lol.

A funny coincidence is that I decided to look up some stuff about squids after this and one of the people mentioned was Frederick Aldrich, which is interesting because of the Aldrich Faithful being associated with the deep in DS3

Reminder that the outer gods are outer to Marica''s Golden Order, not outer to the planet. They're still, as far as we can tell, part of the life sprouted by the comet sent by the greater eill

Bloodborne does connect the two heavily. With lakes and seas being holders for the Eldritch or worknig as barriers. As with Rom. It's also featured in Lovecraft's work with C'thulu and the fish people ruled by Dagon. So if Elden Ring already deals with Eldritch space beings(although a much less Lovecraftian inspired aspect) it wouldn't be suprising to see something related to the sea in the DLC.

@@bacicinvatteneacapretty sure the falling stars, Astel and the like, came from space

@@NorthWolf97 Yeah "dangerous things coming from space"... ok... you killed the dangerous things that landed on THIS island... but what about that other island... over there....

Aye I can't wait for Elden Ring: Quest for Booty

I guess that would be a DLSea

The "sands between" confirms this theory

​@@officialmasqq_594That's a... different game.

Yo ho ho he ate a bite of gum gum

on porpoise

They removed those drawings on purpose! On porpoise! 🐬 … *_Something_* is fishy! 😉

Duality of soulsborne players: "Wow this world is so complex, deep, and beautifully written, I wonder what references I'll find" or "haha big club make smush of monster head"

yea, things like that have made people speculate about easter eggs, hidden content, and similar things for ages now. But in a way, I kind of like that because it creates an allure of mystery. I remember watching all of those conspiracy theory videos about bigfoot, sasquatch, aliens, and serial killers being hidden in games like GTA or other games when I was a kid. It made me so fascinated and fueled my curiousity. ^^

@@ElegantHope that is unfortunately a thing of the past for most part now that people can so easily look through all the game data, and that info spreads so quickly.

That is my top assumption, as well. FromSoftware has built this expectation over and over again with everything you see in the distance being something you can eventually get to and see up close. In Dark Souls you can see the Great Hollow tree and Blighttown from Firelink Shrine. You can see the Demon Ruins from the Tomb of the Giants. In Dark Souls 3, after you kill Vordt, you get a good look at most of the areas in the game before being carried off. So putting things in the distance of your map that you can't actually see would be even more immensely disappointing than if any other developer did that.

@@DhampirBoy Even so, in Elden Ring far in the distance behind things like the Haligtree etc, you can see land masses, and all the while they hint at and talk about distant worlds or places like the Land of Reeds. Just makes me want even more Elden Ring content 🤤

and we crack our legs in half when we step on them

That also explains how you can get shit like books, bottles, and leather armour from fishing in minecraft oceans

And car batteries

I was thinking the exact same thing. And subsequently maybe to also limit adding any/more unnecessary speculation to the game’s already extremely speculative nature and avoid speculative overkill.

That's pretty much the case for almost all sea monsters, lol

Have you seen old paintings of cats, dogs, and babies? A lot of them tend to have awful adult man faces.

my favourite example of that in real life is the Questing Beast. look up artist renditions of what they imagined it would look like; some weird snake headed leopard/deer hybrid. And then you find out they were drawn based on vague descriptions of girrafes 😂

Have you seen medieval depictions of dolphins?

Like Oarfish basicly then, they were often mistaken for sea serpents.

imo the ideal setting if bloodborne ever gets a spiritual successor or sequel, the fishing hamlet is awesome

I mean even if you can't swim in-game they could've implemented as a gimic fight like Rykard and the Serpent Hunter spear or the Demon Soul's Dragon God fight with the ballistas.

@@BudravenOG something in the fashion of de lago from RE4 maybe

come to think of it, I think DS1's hydra miniboss might be the only enemy in the franchise that's associated with water to some capacity and uses it in attacks (I mean Rom is fought in the middle of a lake but she just flails around and casts space comets at you)

@@colossaltitan3546 same with Rennala and the Elden Beast. Both their arenas are water, but don't utilize water in their attacks. The only one off the top of my head I can think of is the Tibia Mariner occasionally splashing water at you with the horn.

@BudravenOG if shrine of amana taught me one thing its that water-based areas are dogshit

What spots can you see this landmass from?

@@Zayd-bg1pt I can’t check atm, but it’s definitely visible from the Haligtree- keep in mind it’ll be on the northern side, but the height you start at on the Haligtree branches (very first grace) may be enough to see from there

​@@Zayd-bg1ptI think from the branches of the haligtree

thanks, I’ll make sure to look

Adding a couple related details (I’ll keep doing this as I actually think through my observations lol), but I believe it’s stated that the Land of Reeds is far to the east, meaning this northern landmass is likely different- although I think there might be another landmass in the East? Could be the northern one is Kaiden? I tried looking it up, and I can find a couple general references to these landmasses, but not much in the way of detail. Only that the northern land is “twice the size of Liurnia”, apparently! Dunno, lots to chew on, I’ll be back again to pick at this I’m sure lol

I'm imaging them swimming around doing slapstick comedy, bonking eachother with those large-ass anchors and shit

Heh, can't help but notice some of the weird faces look like Deep Accursed. I bet Aldrich dropped some in the sea. Ugh.

You're triggering our PTSD, BRO!!

Yes, babe, I woke up

​@@hida99ash Oh, it's cute. ☺️

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Another interesting connection beside the black head/death blight and the fish tail is that Umibozu are said to come with stormy weather and we find a Godwyn head under Stormveil. Additionally there is a theory about the origin of umibōzu that they are the spirits of dead priests who were thrown into the ocean by Japanese villagers for some reason or another. Because their bodies have nowhere to be laid to rest, their souls inhabit the oceans and haunt it in the shape of a dark shadow, reaping its revenge upon any souls unlucky enough to come across it... Sounds like Rogier and how he catches death blight from the Godwyn under Stormveil to me.

My problem with that is Umibozu look nothing like Godwyns final design, and it lacks a lot of the importance to the myth features. Not saying it couldn't have been, I just think the Umibozu would have been (especially since the incomplete one in the files is seemingly a large entity) a "out of reach" scare/trap that didn't quite pan out on execution

@@BudravenOGwhat’s super interesting is that the Design Works of Elden Ring pretty much confirms it’s “wind erosion” that’s causing a lot of the damage on Stormveil and it’s backed up by many thing, biggest example being the winds always traveling east making direct contact with the Western Wall of Stormveil, where most of the mottling and thorns can be found. Nepheli when she talks about Godrick states “he’s tainted the very winds” because of his grafting and I assume this is why all the exiles wear hoods that cover their faces with even the 1.0 claiming it prevents the “curse”(corrupted winds) from “slipping inside”. Another piece of evidence is the environment in the Chapel of Anticipation where you see the same thorns manifesting and the trees bending east. I assume this is the reason the Chapel is standing on a tall cliff with it deteriorating from the winds that originate in that direction. The Marred Leather Shield of course eludes to Godwyn being the source of the curse and it would make sense because he is know to spread corruption and was a lightning wielder, paralleling the firstborn Nameless King figure from Dark Souls 3 in many ways(firstborn son who befriended the dragons and began a cult) and also influenced the storm.

@darkpuppetlordful Yeah, that is true, but the name Umibozu could have been just the "model name" to represent the inspiration/design and not intended to represent an actual Umibozu from myth. From's been known to do that a lot. And he *does* vaguely resemble the depiction of the Umibozu in Bakemono no E (so does the mermaid thing drawn on the old map Zullie shows off in this vid, too). Ever since I accidentally stumbled across Godwyns face in Stormveil on my first blind playhrough, Ive been obsessed with *why does he look like that*. Theres nothing in game that explains it, and yeah Ive heard Westerners try and link it with Japanese myths about death and stagnant water or something, but I can tell you first hand theres minimal correlation. Which leads me to believe there was more to it that was cut or altered in development. Idk. I hope the DLC explains it, but I doubt we're gonna be that lucky.

@@childofcascadia my problem is threefold. First, there's a full body for that Godwyn form that when looked at fully looks more humanoid than the manfish from the map (it does also prove the face under the castle is his) so its a very tenuous likeness, secondly the image on the map is literally a placeholder from real map's (as Zulle shows in video) so it's hard for me to think a placeholder image would inspire such a central character design, even if it's based off of one depiction of an Umibozu. Lastly, Bakemono no E is a unique depiction of Umibozu that, while not in direct conflict with other depictions, isn't going to be as immediately recognized in the western world (as Elden Ring is pretty explicitly a game made for an international audience) Also, as an extra point, the shrouded silhouette Umibozu that remains in files doesn't match with the man fish, as it's basically a giant shadowman

Pretty sure Godwyns fish-like features were inspired by Japanese legends of fishmen corpses which can grant both immortality and curse if found. You know, like with Kos in BB.

Yeah​, Zullie even made a video about it before

Godwyn = stagnation bad

I think they refer to the corpse under stormveil as a "Centipede" in dialogue, which certainly isn't a sea creature

"complete lack of deathroot anywhere in the Stormveil" My man all the enemies in Storm have literal black thorns poking out of their garbs and shileds and multiple common drops even mention that fact.

Just walking along when that frickin' Umiboza rises out of the water and glares at you from the deep...

​@@CazadorSlayerI actually think that was the idea. I think Umibozu (as in the myth they are associated with tricking people into watery deaths) would pop up in places to try and trick the player into walking off a watery ledge, and my guess is they got cut because it was either ineffective or too effective

Yoooo love the bionicles reference haha

I would absolutely adore being able to have something similar to Torrent that we could use to travel across water in a special DLC area. Swimming in Sekiro wasn't enough!

It will be at the same time that we get a Bloodborne 60fps and a Bloodborne 2 announcement😵

Yeah, and how old it is. Because there are little inconsistencies like bridges that have broken down since the map was drawn, and i don't think its a mistake I think its intentional

I figure it's us. I mean, it's not as if anyone else is giving you a map at any point. You're having to hoof it around yourself "Discovering" the map. Seems to me that the Tarnished moonlights as a cartographer.

And that will be a glorious day, getting to explore a typically dickish fromsoft dungeon while on a timer before we start drowning. We could even make the poison swamp into a poison lake, so as we drown we're also getting poisoned and have zero visibility under the swamp muck.

@@eclipserepeater2466 3 dimensional underwater combat in the poison swamp.

Yeah I can see this being true, the sekiro water movement was nice, but there was relatively little combat (just drowned corpse dude and some fish) so it was mostly a traversal puzzle skill. I can 100% understand them realizing that it wasn't in a state to be more prominent

@@eclipserepeater2466 If Michael Zaki reads this we're boned.

I remember in a Vaati video people made a submission for a Pirate and Deep Sea themed Bloodborne and it was the coolest stuff ever!

Absolutely everything in that video is peak fiction. Walking into the severed neck stump of a god-whale that transitions from fleshy eye-studded tunnel into a star-studded portal midway is some of the coolest imagery I’ve ever heard of.

as a monster hunter tri fan, i concur

It would have to be another Sekiro-like game because swimming in heavy armor would look pretty ridiculous with some of the armor in ER. Or maybe just go with Bloodborne's "armor".

@@theobell2002 ghost armour

Like the hydra from ds1

I hope they revisit Sekiro and if they do, I hope they expand on the underwater stuff.

The fishing hamlet and Kos from Bloodborne.

Yes

I'm telling you dude, Fromsoft needs to hop into the pirate genre. Can you imagine like a bloodborne-pirates mashup with skeleton crews and sea monsters, man it would be sick. They could bring back the bloodborne gameplay style with cutlasses and pistols while creating a new IP, best of both worlds

@@buckyhurdle4776 Bootyborne