GP Lama is so much better than watching the news.

Thank you. This was exactly what I needed to know !

Shane … tnx heaps for all that info. You amaze me how you keep all that in your head and explain it in clear Ozzie

I ordered this system after I saw your review. Supposed to arrive today. Can't wait to see how it works with my Cannondale Adventure One.

Overhead camera on a white surface, I felt like I was watching rides of Japan 😄 I had a Zwift hub commercial pop in while you were comparing the cogs haha.

Such a fiendishly simple device!

Thank you for this. My biggest interest is in buying just the Click!

Shane, you made my day! This was the news I needed to know. The Zwift Cog seems to fit on a Wahoo Kickr. Let us know please when Zwift will open their software protocol and bring the virtual shifting to Wahoo & Co. Keep on your good work! Happy Weekend!

The 13 speed cog may work if you put in an original one from a cassette, plus add two thin spacer rings on both sides, to keep the plastic guide discs apart wide enough. Like the ones you get when you want to put a 10speed on a Tacx Neo… I also would do that with the Shimano 14 cog you showed. That would be a 1/10 mm spacer on each side in that case. Just measure the 13speed one and get the correct ones…

Crap - I jumped the gun and assumed that the Zwift Cog/Click would be plug-n-play with a Wahoo Kickr, my assumption being that since Zwift is already controlling the gradient resistance in my Kickr, well then it will also control this virtual shifting thing in the Kickr too. But apparently I was wrong-o! 🙂 Oh well - back my new Cog/Clicker goes to Zwift. Dang. Great video, btw! Thanks!

For me if they can somehow a plug and play belt drive solution over my existing chain rings and it ignore my rear derailleur I’d spend some money on a silent zwifting experience.

From my understanding, it's a simple protocol that increases and decreases trainer resistance at defined increments. The cog itself doesn't do anything apart preventing from accidental chain slips. This begs the question surely they could simply release an integration to the companion app, the same way you can control the FTP base in Ergo mode. Not to say that the physical button is definitely better

Informative video as usual. It still surprises me Zwift doesn't ship this stuff for sale in Australia. You may be off the beaten track but there are still 26 million of you down under so I'd have thought it would still be a market worth being in. Hope they change that for Aussie customers soon.

well done Zwift for keeping it nice and simple. Your fellow Aussie KZfaqr Hugh Jeffreys would (I think) applaud the user serviceablilty.

I think the tech is super cool! I still prefer my standard cassette - I kind of like the fact my shifting etc will always feel like it does on the road.

I really like it can’t wait for Garmin to support virtual shifting. I’m surprised that it wouldn’t work in erg mode only on any trainer with a shimano frehub for training sessions only.

Zwift still does not ship to Australia. Great video as always..cannot believe cannot buy these products in the 21C!!!!

Somehow!!! stripped cassette fixing ring so was going to have to get a freehub anyway and the cassette would need replacing at some point also. Will make keeeping the chain clean easier also. I Was glad to hear my apple should pair HR, cadence, power and shifting.

already want to build one myself, only need a freehub, 1 cog and spacers ;-)...

I was just thinking about this - the teeth are taller, so that if you're a gear up or down from the optimal one the chain won't derail. The taller teeth are able to hold it in line much better than the teeth on a regualr cog. So if you opt to change the cog from the original one, you'll have a much harder time keeping the chain on.

First ride with the upgrade / retrofit. Click kept dropping out. My setup is an iPad and companion app. All firmware is up to date. Thx!

Wish the Kickr Core couple have virtual gears. Using a mtb as i do i always run out of gears.

They should add multi shift through a long press (eg up or down 3 gears). Would be handy if you get to a hill or a sprint

Would be great if the COG could work on a Tacx Neo gen 1 but I suppose Garmin would still need to support virtual shifting. I don’t see that happening or Garmin providing firmware updates for gen 1’s anymore

Wonder if there will be something similar to allow belt drive bikes.

Since I only use ERG mode on Zwift, this might be a good thing to pick up and install on my Kickr.

Thanks so much for this! I just bought it, waiting for it to come in. So with the cog, is it basically like having a 1x setup? My dedicated indoor bike is an older Trek 1200 with a 3x9 drivetrain. If so, what is the recommended ring I set my bike to?

Hi Shane Can i ask you somerhing about the new Zwift hub one? I am using the new s-works world cup mtb with the new sram xx eagle transmission. Now i saw the new zwift hub one and my question is…is it possible to use this trainer with my sworks mtb (sram xx - also a new chain) and if „yes“ what do i need? I hope you can answer - i really lime your channel. Greetings from austria

Do you know what would prevent it to work on a bike with today a 7speed cassette from shimano ?

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It looks like Zwift could be implement virtual gears for all epg compatible trainers (such as IndieVelo does right now, and free). What do you think?

Is it a problem running the mounted Zwift cog with Shimano HG+ chains - as they are quite particular for Shimano?

Great video. What happens if I use it with a standard cassette? Will the virtual shifting works the same?

Excelente video! Este accesorio es compatible con el Tacx NEO 2T?

Hi Shane, will you do a review of Van Rysel D500?

I've an 11 speed bike. I've not managed to get the rear derailleur into gear 5/6 as suggested, but 4 or 7 (depending which way you count). I suspect it's because I fiddled with the cable adjust. I'm guessing I may have to take the bike off again, put my rear wheel on and set the bike up again. Then put it back on the Zwift Hub. Does this sound correct? Also, is there a calibration sequence or does the Zwift Hub just know what to do? Great videos by the way!

I find the distance between the gear ratios to be too big, especially for riding at higher speeds where you need to fine tune your cadence for optimum power. So, I really hope that Zwift will make changing this in the software possible in the future. How are your experiences regarding this?

Hey thanks a lot for the video ! Will this work with say the 13 or 15 tooth cogs from a 12 speed cassette for example ? I can imagine that someone would want to reuse old cogs that are not weared out.

Shane - great video as always. You touch on sound output but one particular question I have would be: is the setup quieter overall for neighbours of, and others sharing, an apartment with me? Gear shifts prior to the Cog + Click require a fair few mechanical movements such as lever clicks, derailleur shifts and chain skips, which all clack and crang, especially when racing routes with ever changing gradients. I assume that fewer [zero?] physical movements will be generally a far more peaceful experience for anyone next-door or downstairs, is this true? If so I'll buy this upgrade just out of consideration for others. However, will it just make the strange man grunts and wheezes even harder to explain? One last question, would it be a terrible idea to not use the plastic guides, I'm sure accidentally shifting the derailleur is the biggest risk, but let's say the derailleur is disconnected, would those long cog teeth be enough to keep the chain on? Cheers in advance!

if you put a standard shimano 14t will it be quieter than the cog supplied?

Can you hold down the shift buttons for multi-shifting a la di2?

That zwift cog looks like a single speed BMX cog. I use one on my elite direto for my track bike adapter. It'd be great if it is. They're inexpensive, plentiful and very stout.

Where can you find the 14T cog that you mentioned would make the unit quieter and smoother without disabling an entire cassette by removing one?

Have you been able to test this using a SRAM 12 spd set up since that chain is different that say a Shimano 11 spd chain.

Then there is only one reason to buy a Wahoo. And that is that it works with the KICKR Climb. If my KICKR 2018 or the Climb is defective, I will choose the Zwift Hub and sell the device that is not defective. So either the KICKR 2018 or the Climb.

Could you use this with a non zwift trainer in erg mode?

Received my hub one yesterday, virtual gearing itself is great, but it's very noisy as Shane mentions, unusable for me, and vibrates much more than my kickr v5. Unfortunately it'll be going back, hopefully wahoo will be able to introduce virtual gearing asap.

So, do I understand that cones and the fixed cog could be removed and install a regular casette if needed, right?. Reverting to a "Classic" version for using the bike shifters? (removing the clicker unit, of course)

Since the hardware has no electronics does it mean that the Zwift click communicates only to the Hub by adjusting resistance? If that's the case is it the same protocol like what Garmin 840 (for example) uses when it is connected to smart trainer by adjusting trainer's resistance from Gamin 840's screen? And also this is still manual (virtual) shifting right?

Just spotted that when trying the shimano cog there is no spacer so would it not be loose?

Hi Shane, great video - I am looking at either the Zwift Hub at £549 or the Wahoo Kickr Smart Trainer V5 at £499 - which would you choose (is Wahoo likely to adopt this update?) I already have the Zwift Play...

Any information about plans to make it EKAR combatible?

This may be a theoretical scenario, but does virtual gearing reduce the maximum simulated incline if you are using a high Trainer difficulty setting? Say, for example, you are in a virtual gear setting which requires the equivalent resistance of a 5 degree incline, and you hit a 13 degree slope at 100% TD. Total required resistance will be greater than the 16% rating of the Zwift hub. I recognise that in practice you won't be holding that gear for any length of time so the actual 16% functional threshold is probably more than enough for most people, whether its virtual gearing, simulated incline or a combo of both, but it will be a bigger issue if virtual gears come to other platforms where simulated inclines can be greater than Zwift.

Can you use the shifter buttons along with an Elite Sterzo?

aside from lubing the chain, if i swap out the 14t to 15t cog, will it make it quieter? thanks

3:57 thanks again Shane, so would you reckon swapping the factory cog out for an 11spd 14T shimano cog will help reduce the noise of the drive train if youre running an 11spd groupset?

Currently on two smartbikes..., but always had a dream of a single speed Gates bike on a trainer... Would it be possible to fit a gates ring instead of the cog on this one ? ( video idea 😁)

If I may ask... I love my Neo 2T, but switching bikes (we are a family) would be much easier with the zwift hub. I am thinking about selling the neo, because I only see andavnateges for us. Is there anything I am missing? Happy to ready your thoughts!

So I have a SRAM flat top chain. Will I need to get a different cog so it doesn’t prematurely wear the chain? Where do I get a sram cog

What about track / fixed gear / single speed frames with 120mm dropout? Is is possible to use them with the Zwift Trainer and Cog?

Hi any idea if they will add race mode to wahoo kicker later versions as in v4 and down seeing that zwift hub has been able to do it though and software update ?

Could you have dedicated use without derailleur with chain length and if needed a tensioner?

Sorry if this has been asked before. But is there any advantage of using the cog instead of the cassette. I use the Play controllers to shift gears and I use only one bike! i just wonder if I should get a cog or simply stay with my recent configuration.

So with the gear ratio, if you then have a standard cassette on and shift between your real life gears, does that then extend the ratio to a huge amount somehow?

Can I use it with a track bike? Technically, if I have the good chain size, it's gonna work

Is the chain tensioner easy to fit/adjust? I have an old road bike which I was going to refurb for turbo use... but can now use it bare bones instead. Much cheaper and easier.

A Shimano freewheel, a 14 cog, and a bunch of spacers at each side and you can DYI one. You can 3D print the plastic cones if you are technically inclined.

this is oddly similar to something I had designed for single speed cross conversions so you didnt have to buy a separate wheel.

My question would be: can you technically install it on a Wahoo Kickr if you're only using ERG mode? If it uses a shimano freehub, and the width is similar to a casette I see no reason why it wouldn't work? Yes I know virtual gears and the click won't work for shifting, but in ERG mode, you don't need that. What do you think Shane?

I’d say it won’t be long before there’s 3D printed spacers to do this on a standard free hub with a single cog from a cassette.

the zwift cog looks like any normal wide engagment cog you'd getin a single speed conversion kit.

I"m in the market for buying a new trainer, should I get the Zwift hub one or the classic? They are the same price. I have some spare 105 cassettes at home. Am I better of getting the one.l so I have that piece of hardware ?

I've got a 3x7 Shimano Altus bike left in the garage, will there be any possibility to use it with the new cog? Thanks

Will changing the cog to one with more or fewer teeth impact the virtual gearing translation accuracy resulting in an unfair advantage in races?

Will the virtual shifting work with other virtual platforms such as MyWhoosh, Trainer Road, etc?

So if I've understood this correctly - I can use my hub classic (with cassette), switch on virtual shifting and use my play controllers to change gears. As long as I keep the bike in the same gear on the cassette, then I don't need to get the Zwift cog - right?

Can it work with a track bike horizontal dropouts?

Can it be used in other softwares like MyWoosh or Rouvy?

now if they can make one to put track bikes on........ so i can get a freewheel but train on my actual race bike virtual gearing has 3 gears larger then a standard 53/11 so thats def a bit upper range. conversely .75 is REALLY small and should enable nearly anyone to pedal "reasonably" comfortably up adz or ven top. heck even the radio tower might be more normal cadences lol

I just upgraded my Wahoo Snap setup to a Zwift Hub One and I'm finding it to be really noisy with my 11 speed Di2 drive train. Could that be due to the deeper and wider cog ? Have you noticed a difference after installing it ? I guess I'll try to put an 11 speed cassette to see if it helps...

any reason for traditional 7- speed bikes not to work, I know it doesnt say its compatible but how different are 7/8 speed chains

Can we expect competitors such as Wahoo to follow suit and release their own ‘hub’ addition for their existing trainers 🤔

It’s all in the software. This is just using the erg mode function to give you “gears” the hub part is just to make the rear a fixed gear to work with.

If virtual shifting works with a normal cassette, what user benefit does the hub bring? Could it be that profit margins are hit by Zwift including a cassette?

Not selling the controller because you could build your own easily? Right? If I am not confused.

Can I mount It on my tacx neo? Will It work?

if I put a 14T cog from a sram cassette would that keep the chain happy?

I’m quite surprised that thick cog would work with a 12-speed chain

Hello! Does anyone know whether these freehubs can be used without concern on a rear wheel? Or are they only compatible with the Zwift hub? I have a zwift hub and bought the Zwift Cog + click and wonder if I can re-use the hub that is currently installed in some way, i.e. to replace a worn out hub on a rear wheel. Thanks!

I would have chosen bigger cassette for this, the higher number of cogs you have, the lower chain wear is. This one is too small and will lead to premature chain replacement probably.

Is the Zwift Hub even available in Australia?

Since the cog has no smarts in it, does that mean that someone can use virtual shifting with a Zwift Play controller and a Zwift Hub with a normal cassette?

Have you tried it on a bike ? is compatible with real wheels ?

So you could basically just install one of those single speed conversion kits and not have the plastic bit rattle around?

if we want we can transform ziwft hub one to zwift hub ?

Anyone know if you'll get full functionality using this on a Jetblack Volt v1 or v2? They're essentially the same trainers except for the firmware fork.

I have seen a video from a guy where he just remove the plastic and kept just the cog on it. It was way more quiet like a normal cassette. So before buying another cog or a whole cassette, try to remove the plastic.

Actually SRAM AXS question rears its head again. Is the SRAM hub compatible with the AXS. if so you could use the free hub, the AXS cassette and take advantage of the virtual gears... thoughts?

Do I need a power meter on my bike?

8:34 Campag Ekar, SRAM Flat Tops. My god, your viewers sure are loaded 💰 💰 💰 I believe this product is to make indoor more accessible. If you’re running latest Campag, SRAM AXS or Shimano Di2, you probably are riding a Kickr Move or something of that caliber 😅 this product is not for you.