I genuinely do not understand the Viper complaints. The job literally guides you through how to play it, and once I learned that "red = rear, green = side," the whole concept of the job unlocked itself in my mind and it flowed so incredibly smoothly and naturally. Viper is near perfect as is. The Expert dungeons are the most fun and active I've seen that category be in a long time. They're wonderful, and we need more content like them. Tgis player base just needs to wake the fuck up.

imO. remove positionals alltogether, bosses jump around like dum and can't do positionals at all sometimes The threat issue is an issue of Tanks not knowing how to tank imO.

So for the tanks (as a tank main) DRK and GNB having there gap closers not deal damage is the issue as when they did and the other 2 have damage on them when the tank dashed in it would trigger the enemies to target the tank. But now those 2 it doesn't happen now targets are spread out more and don't group up like they use to, this in combination with DPS attacking right away like there used to doing is why tanks are having a hard time. WAR AND PLD don't have that issue as bad ( WAR not at all in my case idk about PLD haven't leveled it yet). Skill issue is not a thing if the balance on the dve side is out of line so the agrro buff to aoe is just going to make sure that it never happens without nerfing dps jobs. Range skills are an option if you have ogcd ready. I never pull with it cuz it put my gcd on cool down and AOE is much higher for generating it. I haven't had a lot agrro loss to be honest I adjusted for the gap closer very early. I went GNB this time instead of WAR. To be honest just agrro gen on the gap closers will be enough andbyes DPS please bring your ripped mobs to the tank most will meet you halfway and new tanks pay attention to the enemy list and meet the DPS halfway when they bring them to you or just grab them back if they run around like a chicken with there head cut off ( you know who you are lol funny as shit btw) let them die I got tired of running after them and I'm on PS5 so typing is not gonna happen in a fight. Also no I'm buying a keyboard for one game no matter how much I play, I have discord for static and friends and that's good enough. I know someone will mention it it always happens lol.

The people complaining its too easy are not the same people complaining its now too hard. Viper plays itself and has very few abilities. It is the easiest class to play. It just looks confusing because the way the tooltips look. The only difficulty is the positionals.

MNK 2.0 was busyness, was over haul every expansion, less job to play. Now player base have grown and Viper now playing same tune As popular of DRG 2.0. Salute to YoshiP he has the hardest job.

Got me scared there thought we SAM gotta get nerf and taking skill away again. Was only about a cooldown

I haven't played Viper (and I don't plan to any time soon) but the only conceivable reason I can think of to lower positional requirements is to make it so you have to press A and D less frequently which *technically* lowers how busy the job is. However I don't think that's healthy for the game at all, having a high speed high skill job that benefits from good movement is what a lot of players want because old monk was completely gutted from the game.

i am waiting that they just make every class 2 skill combo classes with just 2 buttons. becuase slowly it feels like we getting there

I feel like regarding Expert Dungeons, people are saying its hard because it's more punishing now. You can and will probably get one-shotted if you mess up the first few times by being in the wrong place, but mechanically bosses are barely harder then previous expansion and you should be able to figure things out in 0 ~ 2 wipes, and I think that's pretty acceptable for difficulty. On the job side, I think there's no pleasing the community because there's two very vocal camps for either side, the loud casual and the louder "tryhard" for lack of better words that want more challenge and complex jobs (I'd personally love more complexity, but I'd rather just have more job identity and a non 2 minute burst meta first) There's just no winning however they approach it I think.

Dawntrail combat is good, The story ain't in any way shape or form good, It was bad enough that it put me off playing more and yes . . I played the entire thing without skipping 90 - 96 is the worst story they've told in any of their games, It gives off Reddit post story vibes.

Been Healing all expac, I've been seeing Picto's in particular peel mobs off the tank, very easily which explains the AoE enmity changes, as for the enmity changes to the gap closers, well it feels weird to gap close on GNB and not get any enmity from it, especially when the Picto in party can drop a 1000 pot attack at the start of an encounter and gain all the agg

Thank god this is the minority.

All this complaining about positionals. Honestly I'd be ok with them removing all positionals if they could make jobs more engaging.

only thing I expect for viper changes is the remove of positional from dual-blade skill. most of the time I use true north anyways so might as well remove it...

While leveling sage through MSQ and now doing AST to 100, I have definitely noticed tanks having agro issues because it means I'm usually the first actual target, lol. Speaking of AST, while I don't play it hardcore enough to know if the light speed changes are going to matter or not, I can say that it feels like an eternity between astral draw and umbral draw. The easiest way to break down the cards is your first card is the old DPS gains, The second card is a defensive buff, and the third card is a 'heal'. I definitely feel encouraged on trash packs to give the appropriate DPS their card, give the tank the other two cards, and then wait 55 more seconds for the next draw. On bosses it feels a little bit better because the cards that aren't DPS cards can be used sparingly depending on the encounter. As for VPR, I am of the opinion that the job looks busy at first glance but is not. It is the first job where it is better to just push buttons then actually read anything because that's what will confuse you. And while I don't think it's positionals are difficult, I am in favor of removing positionals outright in favor of a different form of skill expression, however, I don't know what that would be. As Max from team liquid says, players are excellent in identifying problems but horrible at coming up with solutions

VTuber 😢 Talking about FFXIV, unless they're going to fix the horrible, dated, UI and the fact that most classes have 3 rows of 12 buttons (or more)... Hard pass. Unless heavily invested in this game, or for some reason huge JRPG fan, while I don't play WoW and haven't for a while... they've at least evolved that game and the UI over the years to be more modern. Feels like FF has remained the same for what 11, 12+ years now? If it wasn't the FF IP, I don't think anyone could stand it.

I do wanna say I think people need to calm the hell down and wait for the actual changes to drop before getting mad. Simultaneously, I also agree 99% of the playerbase should have shut the fuck up in stormblood and just let the devs cook. People pretend like it was a minority complaining that got us to where we are, but it wasn't a minority. A large amount of people despised the Jank, they hated the way the game played, they wanted it to be fast, they want it to be simple. Every fucking dungeon is a goddamn hallway because of the playerbase. The reason Main Story Dungeons has unskippable cutscenes is because when SE gives this playerbase freedom, they start treating each other like shit. Also, just to comment on the viper thing, Viper has 6 positionals technically 4, it is not 2 positionals. It's 4 due to how they are chained. No offense, but 99% of this playerbase can not read, people think Dragoon unironically has 1 positional *spoilers* it has 2 and has always had 2 you just dont have to chain them anymore. Samurai players dont even know they have positionals. Viper having 4 is the largest amount of positionals in the game on a class, while also being a class that expects you to hit buttons as fast as max greased monk. Which was the whole damn reason Monk lost its positionals in the first place.

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It's so frustrating that we can't have anything. The new duties are actually engaging and fun and the new jobs as well. Viper is so simple already, and it's irritating to me seeing casuals and people with disabilities saying they want jobs changed for accessibility reasons when the reality is, unless you're doing Savage content, you do not need to do a perfect rotation. If you can't hit positionals then don't hit them, it's literally 50 potency difference, at worst, a dungeon will take a couple minutes extra. Not to mention there are 21 jobs, it takes a wild level of entitlement to think every job should need to be playable optimally by you because you have a disability or just struggle with it. I am physically disabled, in EW I was on heavy meds from surgery and couldn't play most of the harder jobs, and you know what I did? I played jobs like SMN and DNC that I could play comfortably, I didn't complain about not being able to play BLM saying it needed to be changed. It's frustrating because we finally got some stuff that is actually engaging when so much feels boring and overly simplified and yet it's never enough, any time something requires even a tiny bit of effort they complain and the devs only listen to them when it actually doesn't affect them. Just don't do positionals if you can't, no one cares in normal content.

i would like to see viper loose their positionals tbh. all of the meles got them. why ? i understand it with monk, nin and so on where it fits the overall fantacy. i know tons of ppl staying away from mele jobs for that reason alone. they can even speed it up by another 5% and let ppl have 1 job that is super fast and spammy. some of us rly love that. not being able to take an asmongold bio break in between abilities.

The aoe for the reawaken is probably what they are upping for ranged as for the potitionals thing yoshi is trying to make the jobs business easier and his go to for it is to remove positionals so there is less on your mind as for where its busy its durring the max level upkeep between bursts and somewhat durring its 2 min burst

I see the raiding hardcore no lifers complain for years."everything is to easy" Unfortunately they listen to those "People". It is getting harder and harder to find a party in PF for extreme. If you don't have a static you are already excluded from so much stuff. Making the classes easier is the best thing they can do to give us casual players a little bit of a chance to not be excluded by the super toxic raiding community. An MMO needs to have some content for everyone, not just a small number of people. All I want is more action combos.....

Don't even have to watch the video to know it's a bad take from someone who doesn't play VPR. No, Noxious Gnash debuff is not ok like it is and should be 30/60 seconds. No we don't need positionals on the coil moves. Yes we have more than two positional skills. If I read one more time that the changes are bad, because "it's only 2 positionals and VPR is easy" or other such nonsense, when we don't even have details on the changes I'm just going to loose it.

There are complaints. In the JP community. You haven't heard because yall aint elbow deep in them. And some of the complaints are from people with health issues. Its making it accessible for us. Were not complaining about making savage mode easy (fr aint no way, im too tired for that) we just want jobs to be playable for us. I honestly think this is a fair compromise, but in the end, its truly up to the Company/Developers. 😩

A lot of Jobs seem to have button bloat imo so they need to lighten it up.

As someone who got into Stormblood with the game, engaged with Savage during Shadowbringers and quit mid Endwalker (due to the lack of a static) here is my overall experience and opinions on the current state of the game and the direction they are going for: WARNING THIS COMMENT IS A MASSIVE RANT ESSENTIALLY BUT I TRIED MY BEST TO STAY NEUTRAL ABOUT IT THERE IS A TLDR AT THE BOTTOM To clarify, I had a casual static consisting mostly of friends and also running Savage raids up to the x4, x8, x12 (x = raid name) via Party Finder I did fill every roll required, I taught other peoples their main jobs rotation at times and played almost every job on Savage difficulty (except for Bard and Dancer) I ended up learning a lot of the Party Finder behaviours player had during Shadowbringers and Endwalker + even ended up studying average performance players had on EU via DPS tracker and FFLogs (without being toxic and calling people out for their performance) 1. Is the game too easy ? The answer depends on the type of player obviously, but since this is an MMO where people end up running a lot of the same content over and over again the answer is YES for me. This mostly affects daily content and some weekly content, mostly the "casual" content like Extreme Dungeons, Normal Raids and Alliance Raids The late game daily content really dont feel engaging once you ran them multiple times. You end up reaching an "autopilot" state very easily in most cases. People who make bad mistakes or dont understand mechanics are forgiven to a point that they dont end up learning them regardless of how many times they do it. 2. Are EX Trials and Savage too easy ? Savage is fine for the most part I would say EX Trials can run into this issue of being outgeared to a point that a team of experienced players have it a bit too easy to clear while inexperienced players struggle with the transition from "normal content" to "hardcore content" which EX trials are currently supposed to be - this leads to awkward situations where some people can get carried through a clear and still have no clue about it 3. The current direction is to simplfy Jobs and Roles while compensating with the encounter design (apperently) - is this beneficial ? SE balance team really seems to be focused on avoiding situations where certain jobs can be worse than others, which lead to Raiders avoiding certain Jobs in their group composition due to the potentiall DPS loss This lead to the homogenization of Tanks and Healers, while making everyones rotations a 2 minute burst window, so every job can be synced with each other. HEALERS specifically suffered from this a lot. Is this direction good ? Given they got rid of the idendity and variety jobs used to have, I would personally say No for players that spend a lot of time with the game and want some variety. Tanks and healers suffer from this issue the most. But DPS classes also lost a lot of their idendity in the process. 4. Did the Job changes help people to learn their Jobs Role and rotation better ? NO - a lot of the changes only benefitted a small percentage of players. People who had no clue about what they are doing, still lack tools to teach them or give them a reason to do it in easier content. Experienced players at a certain Job or Role ended up having less fun due to simplyfing their favourite job/role for people who dont engage in high end content. Most of the content is too simple to give people a reason to engage with their job properly, while also having no ingame tools to teach them how to do it. Not everybody is willing to join a Discord or read online guides and watch videos or read some Excel Spread sheets. 5. Is the current state of the Healer Role in a bad position ? Absolutley. The easy access to just oGCD healing while spaming 1/2 DPS buttons + keeping 1 DoT up every 30 seconds leads to stale and very linear gameplay for experienced players. Does this benefit new/casual players ? In Casual content... maybe ? For a certain group of people it's engaging enough for a bit, but I cant see this being the case in the long term. For Raiding ? No - even with only 2 BUTTONS TO DPS with THEY STILL ARE BAD AT IT. It was amazing to witness so many Party finder healers that barely contributed with their DPS in a fight, while being fully Savage geared. In some cases I could have double to triple the DPS with crafted gear as their co healer and still heal the team as needed. Healers as they are designed right now are MEANT TO DPS while keeping the party alive. There is no excuse in 90%+ cases. The worst part about this is that the experienced healers get bored of the ENTIRE ROLE due to every healer playing almost the exact same and their rotation being the easiest in the entire game right now. These people end up quitting while the extremly underperforming healers are left. 6. Are there any solutions to these issues ? There are plenty of solutions to even out the playing field and make the learning curve better. -we DESPERTALY need MID TIER CONTENT - something to ease new raiders into EX trials and Savage raiding, while giving experienced players something more engaging than daily dungeons -INGAME GUIDES for Jobs (preferably community created and voted) so people dont need search for these resources online -MAKE CASUAL CONTENT MORE ENGAGING TO MECHANICS - older dungeons need more core mechanics, the stat / gear scaling needs to be toned down (old content gets easier with each expansion due to job changes and gear scaling) and teach core mechanics like stacks, spreads in some way. For STORY ONLY players, let them just use the NPCs ? Make an optional "story mode" version of the main story dungeons so people can clear them and progress ? Hard to say if that idea is good, but most dungeons as of right now are being held back due to them being tied to the MSQ. TLDR: Most casual content lacks punishment and varied mechanics to make it engaging in the long term. Simplyfing jobs makes it less fun when repeating content + it does not help casual players. Healers are so simple that most "hardcore" healer mains quit, while casuals are still not performing the bare minimum needed at times. Tanks and Healers feel all the same. Most Jobs lose more and more their unique quirks and idendity for sake of accessibility. We NEED other solutions to teach players the game. (preferably with more demanding content to ease players into EX Trials and Savage) Thank you for reading my massive rant - its really hard for me to pick up the game again due to all of this.

I don't think the Viper changes are in the wrong direction. Positionals are a trite and ancient mechanic that sure, in the past made sense as bosses didn't do much. However as the game as evolved and become quicker and more movement has become common place positionals are just a hindrance when relied upon to heavily.

Nah it’s going in the right direction players are just stupid 99% of the time and think they know best

lol. ex dungeons aint hard at all

They really need to stop dumbing the game down for a small minority of whiny lazy players.

The dungeons are fun. Just the first boss of one of them that it's stupid in higher pings, but that's okay. 2 runs and I already can see improvement!

I think the game is pretty easy. I think the difficulty curve is pretty on point at the moment tbh. Solution to healers feeling useless: make the healer dps more engaging instead of essentially 1 or 2 buttons. Give shared CD with healing skills so they have to gauge how much healing will be needed to maximize damage. 51:05 Divine Veil?

alexandria boss 1 is BS.. that is savage difficulty for a daily reward .I'll do hunts no more dungeons...

Love how it's been a week and already the playerbase wants to change what feels like the best dungeons and best classes we've seen in years. Can't have shit in Eorzea.

People complain so hard... Personally, I enjoyed the Duties and Trials. There's some new visual effects for specific encounters that translate into mechanics You Already Know but have been flavoured a bit to fit with the encounter. That should not be an issue by the time you get to level 90 now is it? The actual trials were a little tricky but easy to figure out eventually and the EX versions to me feel like fun to learn. (have not actually started it) Viper Positionals are NO MORE than the other melee. They're even easy to discern. Is the third-and-finishing attack of your combo hind? Then the icon is red. IS it flank? Then the icon is green. If it's too hard for you to remember whether your on hinds- or flanksbane poison, look at the colour of the icon. Viper is also still slower than Monk. Even with your speed buff on. And monk also has a positonal at the end of the 123... Also, Tanks can stand a little to do more work at gaining and keeping more aggro. I say this as a Monk main and Warrior secondly. A lot of Tanks just act like Blue DPS and often ignore getting aggro in an area for just unloading on that one target. And those of us who do AoEs will rip enemies off of them because, yeah, they're not keeping up enmity properly. I have not had a single problem with tanks from my FC who do make sure to get and keep attention...

I agree that its weird that they're going to change viper already. I haven't heard anyone complaining neither in NA or in JP. The most I've heard is someone saying their partner can't play it because of their arthritis but I don't feel like Viper gameplay is that much more intense than any other job. Sometimes I wish they'd show the comments they've gotten that influences these changes. Like when Sage's icon got changed because of tryptophobia. Good video!

It's slow... like Stormblood slow.. I feel disconnected from most of the new characters. Koana and Zoraal Ja are more interesting than the main character Wuk Lamat. She's just like Naruto, and we have to be the nanny along for the ride.

I don't mind slow pacing. I've been playing FFXIV since the ARR beta. I'm fine with slow pacing and world building as long as I'm interested in the setting. I wasn't really interested in the setting this time. Wuk Lamat definitely didn't help either. But that said, I love the dungeons and trials.

Dont let all the naysayers get to you. The MSQ is fine (though it hinges on your enjoyment/dislike of Wuk Lamat), I personally enjoyed it a lot aside from a few instances or story interludes. The music is as fantastic as ever, the dungeons are still super fun despite the typical 2-pack-pull-and-boss design, but the bosses have fun mechanics and the trials are great as well! The graphics update is fantastic, it baffles me to hear people claim it looks the same because the fidelity has improved so much. Yeah the formula is still the same, but if you enjoyed it in the past, you will enjoy it even more in DT, and it's those kind of people the game was designed for. A lot of comments talking about how stale and boring the game is honestly baffle me, it sounds like they are burnt out and want the game to be something it isn't, or never has been. As someone who joined toward the tail end of ShB, I've loved DT so far and am looking forward the the upcoming savage fights!

You can really feel the lack of Ishikawa.

I mean it's slow. I like the vibes and it's pretty relax but it's mainly just going from the highest stakes imaginable to a new story with lower stakes

It feels like they wanted to make a graphics update, but had to turn it into an expansion so Square Enix suits are happy. Yes, patches add content. But as it stands. Dawntrail is a short (100 quests vs 150 of endwalker) MSQ, two jobs and graphics. Housing update, raids etc etc are coming later. (Sure, nothing new, but Dawntrail is just SO barebones now.) And things like facewear was added, but it's completelty half assed. There's a handful of glasses and only one pair is what people actually want. No one wants to use the goofy goggles or A Relalm Reborn's Harry Potter glasses.

It's a new story in a new place. Of course the pacing is going to be slow.Yyou have to show and give some time for the characters to breathe. I enjoyed it overall. I will agree with some that the VA direction was weirdly off.

You can tell Square Enix got lazy with the VA direction (and underutilization of VA in general) and music and thorough writing. It feels like an amusement park that's cut too many corners. The visual design and direction has been excellent though at least (I'm only through Zone 4)

I'm glad the dungeon bosses have been fun, because the MSQ is easily the worst it's ever been in the game's history. From Wuk Lamat being the most blatant Mary Sue archetype hogging all of the other character's screen time, to the villains who are either comically evil stupid strawmen to make Wuk look better, or just tired copies of characters and arcs we liked before, it all feels extremely amateur and sloppy compared to the quality of writing I expected from this game. And even if you're just willing to cruise along with the characters and not think about how all your old friends in the Scions are horribly underused, the story is still full of blatant moments of sheer stupidity or extremely contrived coincidence that are hand-waved off to make this filler-loaded plot work. I'm looking directly at the whole kidnapping subplot, Bakool Ja Ja's inexplicable ability to continue competing in the succession after everybody saw he unleashed the demon that almost ended all life on the continent, and Zoraal Ja's miraculous off-screen ability to obtain everything he needs to gain access to the golden city after he was kicked out of the rite of succession as prime examples of the bad writing. So basically, the plot being "low stakes" (even though it suddenly becomes extremely high sakes at the end), is nowhere near the main issue, as so many people seem to think the problem is with those complaining about the MSQ. The new characters are terrible and shallow and are shoved in your face way too much, the old characters we liked are sidelined so much that they may as well not even exist, and the story is so badly thought out that the writer have to continuously bail out their villains so they can continue to pretend being threatening to us. I don't believe anybody who is genuinely enjoying this story can have their brain turned on at all, because everything I've said so far are all things that just jumped out at me immediately the first time I saw them. I'd strongly urge people to raise complaints about the writing, because settling for mediocre, or even downright bad writing is only going to hurt the game in the long run, because I expect so much better from FF XIV.

I'm bored out of my mind, and not just with the MSQ. I don't understand how the combat is "amazing". Its the same tired design, the dungeons are the same "Wall-to-wall" mob pulls. The job designes are stale and boring. Its sound like they are going to simplify viper...what is there to like so far? The graphics update is super underwhelming...

The combat and fights have been AMAZING!!!!!! Yeah the MSQ is a bit slow cuz they have to set up things, but IMO there not a lot going on during most of it. But overall i think its a good story with the best fights they ever made.

I have been enjoying it so far. Although I understand that some people don't enjoy the lower stakes of the MSQ.

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