I'll need to actually rewatch this thing, I guess! That coti of yours is sooooo sweet

happy to hear sir!

the stones are elliptical, so I try to lean a little more toward the heel at the onset and slowly make the razor more parallel to the ceiling as I move down the stone path. When I think of rolling-X, I think of a stroke that really only consumes let's say 1cm or so of hone width moving away from the railing closest to your hand and the tang... that is not my goal, I want to spread around the stone mileage.

indeed would love to have a rock hard bone dry La Verte to try ending upon but those apparently can't be had 'new' (= newly mined) for now (but they're always digging for doughnuts so maybe one day soon they'll start popping up again like how they were super common 2008-2011)

thank you! I'm just "tryin' to matter", dunno why I've cared about straight razors much as I did/do...guess I like they have to be mostly made by hands and that humans have tried many ways around that and been unsuccessful, so it is a skill that must be passed down generation to generation, much like coopers - but whisky ain't goin' away any time soon, razors most certainly are, and with them will go that special skill. When the Germans told me that they used to use a small fine wheel for the whole edge in phases so it would be concave and fine but they cannot do that anymore, the 'why not' would never leave me alone. Can you imagine if Spyderco or DMT made their finest sintered in a ~2x8x1" chunk shaped to ~4'Ø, so you could do the whole thing with tape/spine lifted and have both the supreme edge and that pretty spine for the e-shaving collector types? They could easily make that, and I and others have told them about the notion. But they don't care. Maybe before I go I can convince a Chinese company to try it for low $.

as to the 'dings', it matters a lot how big are the variances. To a company, every Solingen grinder I've talked to speaks of 'micro-teeth structure' for the cutting edge... they do NOT intend for the apex to have a perfect continuous line because that would not have teeth. They teach the teeth thing at their Dusseldorf school. Look closely at any Böker Dovo Wacker Ern, always the teeth will be present on a factory edge. None of that changes the point of this video, that gssixgun is a fool for saying [for years] that Dovo didn't use a convex hone (now he's wised up, and moved his goalposts,...yes, they use a convex hone, he now agrees, but only because they are so incompetent)

my 17yr old daughter taunted me with a txt image an hour ago of my lame face close up from the email q&a vid a few hours ago...some of her friends circle, unimaginably, will watch this content by choice I told her that should be her new screensaver. KZfaq's algo knows me better than I know me, I watch what it tells me to watch and all sorts of strange rabbit holes have sprung up in the mind ever since...were it not for live sports, I think I'd be happy with just that one app u never know what you'll find of interest until u give it a chance!

EDIT; I've no idea why YT would squelch links to themselves, but here is a link to Bill M's shaping with the diamond skates thingy; kzfaq.info/get/bejne/odqae5Zov9Obk3U.html I think the flexible AliExpress diamonds based skates sharpener thingy is probably the best option out there. Or get the Z-Lion 60 grit 12x18cm diamond sheet from Amazon for ~$34, and go find a piece of thin wood or something else flexible that can bridge the ends of one of those ~$10 "sink bridge" stone holders, put the two rubber parts 8" apart and then the rubber base below should be somewhere in the range, once you add the thickness of wood and the sheet (which will be enlarging the effective diameter) for a little stone to have a good diameter for this kind of work don't quote me that this is precisely the correct one, Bill M has a channel and JPO has a channel and they've likely a link, but it is something like this tinyurl.com/4frxs7dt for the Z-Lion, if you buy that, please use my Amazon link below so I'll earn ~$1.60; amzn.to/3Vt1juh if you're shaping hard stones, you'll want the 60 grit, 12x18cm. Shaping's the hard part, even one piece of 400x in the tiny size can be used to polish up the surface once you've got the geometric form you want use a caliper with 0.1mm resolution and measure the arc height (difference in thickness of your former rectangle from the edges to the middle), your width of arc is the length of your bench stone, enter arc height and width of arc to calculate for your effective radius www.handymath.com/cgi-bin/arc18.cgi?submit=Entry personally for step #1, I'd rather a too small diameter than a too long one, and I think the diameter of my plate, 6.5'Ø shortest, does leave a bit of concavity $ on the table. But I wanted two ellipse shapes useful for razors, from one part. If you ended up with a 4'Ø stone, yes you can't be shaping 7" natural coticules obviously (you'll run out of depth), but you can do wonders with a little soft Ark or Washita, and then you can always tape the spine for the work in phases...one layer for setting in a bevel, X layers more for refining that bevel's tip to be thicker/more durable, then switch to a longer shaped finer stone for next steps hope this helps, and happy shaving!

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Darn.. seen the videos from Bill and you for a while now.. think its soon time to dive head first into the rabbit hole. Was thinking of a coticule or ILR and try Bill's method.. let's see it there is time this summer.. Regards Johan

@@dnamolI waited a year after I got the lapping plate. Found a block of obligation-free time to go nuts with my rocks, sandpaper, grit, and everything else. One word - BOOYAH! Best shaves ever. Everything just worked (for a change). Heh

@@dnamol Greetings Johan. Watch for my upcoming ILR endeavor. After I saw where Cajun Blade shaped up a piece of slate, I started with some (Fear Of Missing Out) FOMO syndrome and ordered one to check out for myself.

A customer mailed me a slate from Vermont, I believe. Whoever mined and finished that thing, it is CRAZY flat, a work of art. But now you got me thinking I should shape it in spite of their artistry, and use it as an ending to see what it can do. In my pre-convex hones days another fellow had mailed me a VT slate, but it died in my house fire, it was *bitingly* sharp, like using a hard/black Ark dry if you've ever done that, I couldn't take how sharp it was. I have only ever heard good things from ILRs.

@@thesuperiorshave When honing flat I am a slate fan so my opinion is probably biased. My favorites are Thuri or WOA (I like to play with slurry 😜). But I feared testing with those due to cost. My next shaped slate will be my 2x6x1 WOA. That will wait until I eventually get one of your plates.

the WOAs are expensive? That's one from the UK, right?

@@thesuperiorshave oh no, not saying WOA is expensive, around $100 for the size I have. But I had a free slate I acquired and it was a good performer flat. IMO a perfect candidate to test on. It was successful, but I was not sure how it would work out.

Yes, UK.

indeed, we're now members of the elite/tiny Save Straight Razors Society

9x bouts of it now on the website, the convexed $170 ones + the #8 shown alone and in the #9 size grouping there are 4pcs

@@thesuperiorshave I only see one that is listed as Veinette, then one that says maybe it is, and then a bunch of bouts that you say you don’t care what the name is. Can you make it easier to find them my saying what they are on the website? I’d buy one that’s like a good size 10 if I could get one or like a bench stone style at least 2x6.

I can only write Veinette when they wrote it on the rock, they mostly just shipped with size # and Select Grade stamp/marque, but no other info. However, they told me the bouts they shipped which weren't Grise were LVs. Thus, the costliest ones are all LVs.

@@thesuperiorshave Gotcha thanks!

thank u & plz reward their gracious nature, they were super duper cool ppl

thank you, well I knew going in my poor French would be a barrier, it is much worse than the lady's lovely English :-)

seeing how long they worked just one razor on those 3 hollow grinding things (easily 20mins of hard labor in the blade), I do not envy your work especially in the dead of summer! Labor of love hell, I am shaping a 6" soft Ark right now to the 6.5'Ø form, 6 songs into Velvet Revolver's 'Contraband' worth of labor (hoping it is done by record's end), I've got a 21x28cm 60mesh diamond sheet backer and already I want to cry uncle! I don't know how you do it.

@@thesuperiorshave passion Jarrod same as you! That’s why we do what we do 😉

@@thesuperiorshave it takes me about 4 hours to get from post heat treatment to mirror polished hollow when i work on a full hollow. I remember you telling the story of how it took you 3 months to shape your surgical ark from Dan’s 🤣

@riverrazors7915 indeed... if I did this for the $ I'd have tried something else many yrs ago I can't turn off my concern for razors' production in the Western world, I hope I've helped prolong its demise just a bit if nothing else

@@thesuperiorshave i know..i always felt your passion for the craft in your videos..the first video i saw of you was the one you made for Jerry stark, and believe or not i was more impressed by the narration than by what was going on the video, i thought to myself man this guy can really tell a story! You have documented so much Jarrod, it really is a blessing to have you in the community.

thank you, enjoy your razor in good health sir

thank u, just tryin' to matter!

My pleasure!

5x wheels pairs, #s 3-5 with a water based diamonds abrasive, wheel #1 was grooved/toothy... then chromium oxide, ferric oxide, plain leather

Thanks for watching!

indeed, they may have updated the liquids and the wheels' abrasives the last 140yrs, but the boots-on-the-ground part of hollow grinding hasn't altered these past ~145yrs

happy u liked it!

yer welcome, glad u liked

they r sooo nice I'll have to mail them some American cat treats & Buc-cee's merch come Xmastime

& ty 4 watchin!

Thanks!

they were aware of the time at the factory doing so, just not a way for them to do so quickly/ commercially... the old managing director's time was using 1 spinning natural stones (shaped convex), large bench stone (hand shaped convex), then pasted paddle strop. Two of those three things are no longer viable (the natural stone is all gone and the natural bench stones are too small now).

@@thesuperiorshave very interesting! Thanks again for the video.

good to hear sir, happy shaving 2u

actually I bought several

@@thesuperiorshave lol I knew you would very nice

they're an incredibly gracious trio, their current 5th keepers of tbe marque

did it touch cutting edge at end of that step? (sounded like it was touching edge)

@@thesuperiorshave it can definitely be used to grind behind the bevel or in the bellied zone. In the video, it seems like it did that. I use it often when I regrind old hollow razors, can make them thinner very quickly. Later, setting a bevel on these razors is a piece of cake, it doesn’t take many laps on the stone(s).

ah... something like 'razor concaving' ads of yestercentury, like putting more concavity behind the bevel on a razor who's bevel's much closer to the spine than originally, I see I will have to ask them if that cuts in some edge or is it only spinning disc pair #1... at Dovo, when they come to spinning disc #1 the razor is completely blunt, a rectangle apex in fact

no, there is a tiny stream there, note the lake at the bottom quivering...it just didn't catch in the videos because we didn't have any room right behind the grinder to show it. That towel was atop just for us to not be splattered.

oh, certainly! This is the Ern machine, and it is from the original ownership's time, they had it in use more than 120yrs!

the size of the wheel piece the razor does not know, only the shape surface and grit matter, works as good on a small stone as a big one I'd shape one 4" side to 6.5' the other to 25'

most likely they're the same blank of steel