I have never heard the focal amp but it's supposed to be a good. The d'amore amps are one of the best class d, in my opinion.

I would go with morel over the jls, but thats ny ooinion.

@jessewoodworth3888 I've only used the 2ohm- Focal is a very reputable brand, so I do not believe you can go wrong with either set. If you haven't gotten amps yet, consider the mosconi pro series for lots of power👍🏻

@@drrckhamilton I use the mosconi aero 8 to 12 dsp. The audison DSP ,or Helix work good with this too. However, mine is non-factory amplified so I don't know what you would need to do- someone like Eduardo at techno Express or Dean and Fernando at 5 star car stereo will know exactly what you would need to do with the b&O system

@@christiandshatto7765 Your system doesn't use the MOST Sytem? BMW, Mercedes, Audi.....pretty much all of the German system

@@drrckhamilton mine does use the most, but it is not amplified, so the front output of mine has a flat response from 20-20khz, with a slight increase a few db at 500&5khz; I run the front factory output directly into my dsp, and then it converts the signal to low level to my amps. You can do the same with the b&O system, but sometimes there might be an additional piece or harness that's needed coming after the b&O system before it goes into a DSP or DSP amplifier.

@@christiandshatto7765 Interesting! Thanks man. Appreciate your response.

@@VRCP please type in your email so we can communicate that way, there's a lot to tell you

@@christiandshatto7765 and thanks

@winchester5566 yeah we have the same car I have the non b&O as well. I like to use stinger ultimate sound deadening on the inside shell of the door on the door and some parts of the door panel itself. If you look at one of my newer videos where I added the morel hybrid component system you'll see my right door panel is off that's just the part of the panel that the speaker side goes in, but I also have the deadening on the other side which would be the outside door panel, if you go for that area as well I suggest putting some sort of a sleeve on your arms so you don't cut them

@larenngui8631 I've used a fiio DAC before but I just currently run the head unit front left front right factory output, which has a full range signal to my mosconi aero 812 DSP, becore the nosconi amps

The factory head unit doesnt give full range to left right...unless u sum it with the sub input, or maybe im mistaken. Thanks

@winchester5566 mine on an RTA shows it being a flat signal except, a 2/3 DB increase @500 hertz, and a 2/3 DB increase at 5K hrtz, no bass roll off

Mine is not, it rolls off from 160hz and below. Amazing sound system..looking forward to it.

Morel is very expensive ,unfortunaly for me cant eard them, i have a mix rebec cs80 midrange , 2way steg me 650CII , amplifier pheonix gold zq 5004 and steg k4 0.1 , jbl gx604 for front sub gladen rs x 08 slim and k4 0.1 for back sub emphaser s4+ and midbass steg , pheonix gold for tweeter and midrange

I thought I had mentioned that the amps were just thrown in for testing( usually they're in the spare wheel well area, plus I left the rs door panel off intentionally. You can check it out on 12volt clean wire club on fb., or my other video labeled mosconi aero 8)12 direct dsp) thanks for watching👍🏼

​@@christiandshatto7765 how is the aero dsp in sound quality ?

So far, and I've used everything, except helix/brax, one of the best. It gives you the ability to control so many different factors. Which is why I believe it should be considered 'flag ship'. I was fortunate enough to try the new audison SW and I really liked that one too. In the future I will demo arc, and helix. The key to dsp, in my opinion, is spending time using it to learn it. Save your settings that you like, then try different settings/features so you understand/hear the difference(s). And, if you don't like it, reload previous saved settings, or start over. Changing speakers, amps, etc., can cause your tune to change, need adjustment too.

@@christiandshatto7765 yes exactly , you need good dsp for full parametric tuning but also good installation, even with highest gears if the install dont follow that nothing but at least the tuning should be crazy , that not every one can tune a car to perfection, i think my last step going to be that

I look to change my DSP is the pheonix gold 8.8 that not a full parametric EQ and maybe i can have better sound with other Dac inside the dsp

@@Jluong538 I prefer the sound of the hybrids over the carbons.

The Maximo 3 way is simply the ultra 2 way with the ccrw2. 5-( I've never heard them, the maximo ultras, so I can not comment on them. I have heard the 2.5s because I used to have some in my dash, and they sound wonderful for their size and their rate! Dean says they( maximo ultra 3 ways , are the best value 3way on the market! ( I believe their rms power handling is less than hybrids.) Could I use them with the mosconi amps I have? I could, as long as I would keep the levels lower and not put them into distortion. 👍🏼 Btw, THANKS for the comment!

@@tretruelove1287 There is absolutely nothing wrong with d'amore amps. They are at half their rate because Tony needs to get his current limiting amps to the market. ( They'll be going in my Daughter's car.) If anybody is going to make an investment in Mosconi amps, I would suggest save the $$ & buy the pro830 with the dsp built in. That takes up less room, gives most people the needed channels, and YES!, there is a difference in output, thus their rate. Both 5Star, and TechnoExpress, sale A Lot of ALL Mosconi series amps.( Probably the pro series the most.) For reference, I'm in my early 50s, yes I'm older than Dean! " Back in the day", I had to work OT, long nights, & STILL it typically took me 3 months to buy a single phoenix gold amp. ( Would I ever spend $80k on an entire brax system, nope. That is well out of my budget/league.) SPL guys spend more $$$$$$$$$ than I ever have performing massive electrical upgrades to get the current they need for their 10-30k watts bass builds. Look up the cost on high output alternators, and some of those guys are running 2,3,4+ alternators!

You want to grab the signal after the factory amplifier- also, any audio control product can handle up to 40 volts RMS of high level input, so your lc5i can handle it no problemo,👍🏼👍🏼😄

@@charles4750 Mike's helix system in an b9platform A4 is on my channel, located at the shorts/files. Taken around February, 799 views. Labeled as "Mike's helix A4". If you have Instagram, there are pictures from TechnoExpress, Eduardo's shop here in Orlando.

@@drrckhamilton I have no idea. That would be cool 😎. I'll check their website tomorrow, and download the SW.

I am looking forward to seeing your findings on this. Audison has lately had really good software

I got to test the c8. 14 amp, & liked the new SW. I just need more power than that amped offered, even bridged.

​@christiandshatto7765 Oh wow.......really?

Is that the largest model they make?

@@LuisGonzalez-ds5mj at the time, early '21, I don't believe the audison for mine was available, nor did I know of the mosconi hareness for non amplified mmi systems. However, I could add them now, or if I ever choose to put everything back should I sale the car.

@@christiandshatto7765 How are you getting the signal for the DSP audio imput?

@@stevemaniaci4750 amazon- dmm& o-scope, liumy.

@@daveroski it's a difficult question to answer to be fair bc I've only heard the audiofrogs in jacobs(?) , Andy's son's volvo over a year ago. My K2s measure between 2.8- 3.1ohms, even though they are rated 2. I typically run morel, preferably hybrids, and I've used the elate carbons before too. As I'm getting older, and experiencing 'hearing loss', I purchased the K2s for a few reasons. #1, I want a bright tweeter, as they've been described by many. To my ears they do not seem 'bright', rather more detailed, and present. Secondly, I was able to get this set with about $500 off the normal msrp. So, I figured why not give them a try as the are a reputable brand. I have been running these since January, and haven't switched them out. I run them active from a mosconi aero 8/12 dsp, to a mosconi pro430 amp. ( I may be trying the morel 8" integration comps. in the near future.) There just never seems to be enough output, imo. Hence the possible hearing loss, and the inability to replace my factory head unit. If you try the K2s, let me know what you think, and thanks for watching/commenting👍🏼

@@christiandshatto7765 Do they see open and airy? Now that you broke them in more, are they getting better? Did you do a good tune on them?

They are broken in, and sound wonderful for my front stage. I don't use that word "airy". I think I know what you are asking. Are they full, and fill the space for the sound stage? Yes, yes they do. So much so, that even though I installed the newer km3 for my center, I've turned that off now, as I was losing detail. (Previously, I had the center 3" at a minus 6db, & I was running the audison apf8. 9bit amp, which helped to make the front stage fuller. There are so many factors that effect this.) With the pro430 I continued to listen with/without that center speaker, and to me it currently sounds better without it.

@@christiandshatto7765 awesome. Thank you ! Happy 4th!

@@christiandshatto7765 I think I’m trying to say wide sound stage for airy. Not like it’s playing in a closet but a wide open area

@@vetteman0071 I believe the focal midbass is better. I sold my elate carbons so I never got a chance to try them on the mosconi pro 430. The morel hybrids are my favorite because they have a higher sensitivity & sound wonderful

I like the 430. However, in the near future I'll be testing the morel LE amps with burr brown op amps. Which has always sounded best to my ears. ( I will NEVER put my morel mps amps for sale:-)

@@christiandshatto7765 The Morel Amos are great. They How are you liking the Focal KX2’s? I’ve been a huge Focal fan for 22 years. Still haven’t heard anything better. Gladen Aerospace are also great sounding.

Never heard of it? ( Slash 6?) This was lent to me to test from 5Star car stereo

@@ryanb8736 non amplified mmi to mosconi aero 8/12

In this setup the focal es165kx2 comps, active, and a single pg ti3 12" sub, currently being powered by the morel mps550.1 monoblock. Thanks for the input on better mics. ( I really just started posting here last year so I can delete videos to save on device storage, lol.) And bam, I have followers, so I continue to post what I'm doing/using. Not trying to compete with any other channels. However, if it continues to grow, I may very well need to invest in the better mics/cameras. Thanks for your detailed input/advice, I do appreciate it 👍🏼👍🏼😃

@@christiandshatto7765 Thanks...Nice setup. ...and I just saw in one of your other videos that you have a late model Audi A4 B9. ;) Haven't seen a PG Ti3 sub in a minute! But in one of my previous SQ systems back in the day I ran the PG Titanium Elite Ti9m midbass in the doors and then in custom kickpanels and they did quite well. ;) Sold that car long ago along with the Ti9m still in it plus an extra pair of BNIB Ti9m drivers...that I should have kept, dammit! Cheers!

@bbfoto7248 '21 A4, b9 platform, non amplified, correct :)

Audi factory head unit into mosconi aero 8/12 dsp to mosconi pro430 amp. Focal es165kx2 components, morel mps mono block, phoenix gold ti3 12" sub

Sounds soo soo clean brother!! Could only imagine in person.😮 Do the kx2 2ohm's version have good midbass still? I'm about order them.

In my experience with this platform, it's in your best interest to pull it out as I did because of the way that the area around the shifter is also attached. Just buy some new nylon flat pry tools and just take your time with it, is my suggestion. I would consider this intermediate to beginner level.

I would suggest taking it out as I did. If I recall, it is simply a T25 to remove the small pocket, afterifting the rubber piece out(key fob tray) then get some new nylon pry tools and just take your time. I would consider this beginner/intermediate level. I don't remember the other KZfaqrs name, but he has a video pulling up that piece&shifter. For me, it's harder to remove the smaller plug connected to the volume knob.

If your helix dsp has a seperate preset, which I believe it does, I would use/start that as a seperate source input& dsp tune that input separately ,to what you are already using ( I would assume Helix has a specific input for the toslink- that is where I would try that from. I would then run the source directly to the toslink input flat , and then start tuning from the DSP itself, for that specific output.) Toslink input, for me, has always been a higher s/n ratio, so Ive had to turn gains down to accomodate for the stronger signal. Thanks for watching :-)

@@christiandshatto7765 Thanks man, cheers from Mexico

@jovenlara5868 If you have an Android Smartphone or Tablet you'll want to connect to the FiiO BR13 using the LDAC codec which is far superior to any other Bluetooth codec at the moment IF LDAC is set to "Highest Quality" and "900/990kbps". However, there are multiple settings for the Quality of LDAC Bluetooth streaming. kbps = kilobits per second. For reference, a standard CD is 16-bit/44.1kHz Sample Rate which results in a bitrate of 1,411kbps. LDAC has the following options: LDAC 300/330kbps (Lowest Quality/Best Connection) LDAC 600/660kbps (Medium Quality/Good Connection, but potentially less range) LDAC 900/990kbps (Highest Quality/Good Connection IF you are nearby & and have a strong signal with no RF interference. This is usually not a problem inside a car). By default, your Android Smartphone or Tablet will connect in the "Adaptive" LDAC mode, which automatically selects between the 3 different Quality settings above, but usually sets the connection to the Lowest Quality and Bitrate in order to maintain a good connection with less chances of audio dropouts rather than the highest quality. To force the connection to LDAC and to the Highest Quality, you need to go into the smartphone's or tablet's Settings and Enable "Developer Options". Then go into the Developer Options settings and scroll down to the Bluetooth Settings and Select "LDAC" as the Bluetooth Audio Codec, then select "HD Audio" or "Highest Quality" + "900/990kbps". There are also options for 16-bit, 24-bit, and 32-bit. 16-bit is fine because LDAC's Highest Quality is still only 990kbps, which is less than the CD's 1,411. You can select "Use System Selection (Default)" under the "Bluetooth Audio Bits Per Sample". For the "Bluetooth Audio Sample Rate", Select "Use System Selection (Default)" which for Android is 48kHz. Note that if your digital music file is a different native bitrate (such as 44.1kHz, 88.2kHz, or 96kHz), this setting will cause the Android Audio Kernel to "Resample" any of those to 48kHz. If you want to force the Bluetooth Codec's Sample Rate to that of the native music file, select the appropriate Sample Rate of the file here. Bluetooth Audio Codec Selection Channel Mode: You'll obviously want this set to STEREO and not Mono unless you are doing some specific tuning and want a Mono signal. Needless to say, simply selecting "LDAC" does NOT mean that you are streaming at the Highest possible Quality. You MUST adjust these settings to do so. NOTE that there are similar settings when your music playback source device does not have LDAC, Apt-X, or Apt-X HD. In that case and for iPhones/iPads you can either select "AAC" (Apple Audio Codec) or "SBC", which is the original audio codec for Bluetooth when it was first developed. It is backwards-compatible with nearly all Bluetooth devices. In Bluetooth signal measurement tests on the Audio Science Review Forums, "SBC" had less artifacts and had the best audio quality compared to AAC, Apt-X, or Apt-X HD. Only LDAC set to "HD Audio" & "900/990kbps" was superior and the best overall. HELIX DSP PRESETS: Regarding using the FiiO or another Bluetooth Receiver that's connected directly to your DSP (HELIX or others), you'll want to create a new, separate Tuning Preset with everything the same except to start with a completely FLAT EQ settings. This is because the BT Source and FiiO BT Receiver should have perfectly FLAT Frequency Response and a different LEVEL when they are connected using the Digital Toslink Optical connection, and all of the EQ corrections that you had to make to the OEM Stereo to "fix" the signal coming from it will most likely NOT sound good when using that Flat, Full-Range signal coming from the Bluetooth connection. HTH!

And, if he has an android smartphone, he will need to go to settings, scroll to the build number & then tap it 7 times to open developer options in order to turn the LDAC codec on there.👍🏼( Oh, Never mind, I see you did cover that. I couldn't at first😆)

@jovenlara5868 Oh, and I forgot to mention that I'm using the Audison B-con Bluetooth receiver in two of my cars with excellent results when connected via HD Audio 900/990kbps LDAC. :) It also has a Toslink digital output as well as a Toslink "pass-through" and the analog RCA preamp outputs. Cheers!

Thanks man! I've been into car audio for 30+ years! However, I've learned a lot more from Dean &Fernando, 5star, Eduardo, technoexpress, Chris, the garage, and so many other's willing to share their knowledge that value the 12Vomt industry! ( Also, I enjoy trying new/different set ups, as the car environment is harsh/challenging.)

MOST DEFINETLY!!!! ( tony put, from what I understand, texas instrument components in these amps.) He has posted a lot of videos over the past few months showing multiple tests, with excellent results👍🏼 espicially in the harmonics/range

Thanks man, I appreciate it👍🏻😁

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That is correct, the newer LD device will put out LDAC

@@christiandshatto7765 Interesting!!!

Thanks for sharing!!!

Awe man, Don't feel stupid, PLEASE! Those are two excellent devices to tune your system, espicially the CC1!!!!! The irta2 is useable for any system, but really helps people like me, who can't change their factory head unit to see what the factory has done before the signal. If your using a aftermarket head unit, the two devices you purchased are going to get you tuned. Maybe in the future you can get an irta2 to then SEE your tune. Pretty sure they're on d&f tooldrawer.com for $250.( An irta is an excellent investment, imo👍🏻)& Thanks for watching, and asking questions:)

Should have used the Amazon tool loan program. Purchase and return when done.

@@Dingleberry1856 wait what I've never heard of this I'm going to check it out

​@@Dingleberry1856A horrible practice/joke.

@@JasonWW2000 not at all, works well.

No, a dd1 only helps with setting gains, you can't see the signal/sound wave with that device. This is a 2 channel electrical real time analyzer so you can SEE the signal. Dean, at 5Star Car Stereo here on youtube, has more examples of showing the signal, checking for factory all pass filters etc.