Appreciate that very much. It's been a lot of work!
@matthewduncan940511 күн бұрын
Bass sounds great! That Tool riff was awful lol. Why the muting?
@SuperFunkyPete11 күн бұрын
@@matthewduncan9405 such is life
@larryholland719220 күн бұрын
Great Video!
@SuperFunkyPete19 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
@colerugh685529 күн бұрын
Did you wire the new pickup in series? I know the sbmm series is wired in parallel normally, which isn't traditional for a stingray. Thank you for the tips
@SuperFunkyPete28 күн бұрын
No, this is wired in parallel, classic old-school style. I think parallel is actually what is standard for 'classic' Rays. My original SBMM pickup was wired in series, though, when I bought the bass.
@colerugh685526 күн бұрын
@@SuperFunkyPete my mistake I got it backwards lol. thank you
@billytai1096Ай бұрын
I prefer the sound of the Wal-ish bass more! Blasphemy I know. 😅
@SuperFunkyPete28 күн бұрын
I like it too! I'm playing it plenty these days...
@klaymeisterАй бұрын
As far as tone wood. The proof is in the pudding. A test like this is worth much more than opinions.
@SuperFunkyPeteАй бұрын
Agreed.
@VeitLehmannАй бұрын
Makes sense that the neck, especially the fretboard, has much more influence on the sound. It will interact with the strings much more. So it influences the attack and sustain of the strings. The body may have more influence on the dry, unamplified sound because of its large surface, but this will hardly be translated through the pickups.
@SuperFunkyPeteАй бұрын
I don't know why it is, but it just is. At least in my testing...the neck is a big deal.
@jamesobrien85292 ай бұрын
I'm ordering a new sterling bass tomorrow they are the absolute best you can get at that price point I'm getting a new pickup to put in it. I'm going with a certain bartolini pickup and I am getting an audere preamp
@SuperFunkyPete2 ай бұрын
I like them too. Great basses to mod
@tamkinane2 ай бұрын
I got one celinder update p with brazilian rosewood fretboard
@SuperFunkyPete2 ай бұрын
Nice. I love the Brazilian rosewood feel and look.
@petewilliamson24473 ай бұрын
Hey Pete!! Just found your channel, sounding great as always! I'm still playing too, BurleighBluesBand
@SuperFunkyPete3 ай бұрын
Great to see you here Pete!! Miss you.
@explorer84543 ай бұрын
What tuners did you end up installing?
@SuperFunkyPete3 ай бұрын
Those were Hipshot Ultralite Licensed tuners. Cheap but effective!
@iosebaart4 ай бұрын
This series has been awesome!! It's the sort of thing that I would have done years ago if I had the budget. thank you so much for putting all that work in for us!!! Now if I may add my grain of salt: you've put loads of work into almost every single part of the bass, but one that, in my own experience, also makes some difference is the bridge. It might be a good idea to do some research into checking if the Wal bass bridge is made of aluminum or brass or even a combination of the 2 (maybe brass plate and aluminum saddles). Maybe even the weight of the bridge itself. The original bridge looks like it has some mass to it. I'm no professional luthier but I have built close to a dozen guitars and bases, and fixed my fir share more. Just some humble words from a fellow Wal bass lover. Thanks again!!
@SuperFunkyPete3 ай бұрын
I’m glad you asked. I did research the bridge too. I’m told the bridge itself is zinc and the saddles are brass, although I don’t have a way to independently verify that. So for the ‘Wal-ish’ I went for a brass bridge as being as close to zinc as I could get. Honestly I have changed bridges many times on basses (Babicz, aluminium Hipshot and brass Hipshot A/B bridges and also their Vintage model, good old Fender bent bit of tin, KickAss and Badass bridges, no-name pieces of rubbish….I could not say that I have noticed much difference (once a minimum level of quality is reached). But YMMV…
@jcspradley46214 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this video. I've had a love affair with Celinder basses for a long time. I wanted one but could never find one. Wonderful to see that I'm not the only one who thought so.
@SuperFunkyPete4 ай бұрын
You're not alone. And as it turns out, neither am I! I honestly thought everyone had just about forgotten his work. They're still the best Jazz and Precision body shapes I have seen from any maker. Same for the headstock.
@1nisaro4 ай бұрын
What strings are you using for this?
@SuperFunkyPete4 ай бұрын
These are round core steels - DR Hi Beams, 100/80/65/45. I like steel round wounds a lot for the highs to get this type of sound. To be fair, I use nickels on other instruments, and the older Stingray 5s with ceramic pickups (as opposed to the warmer alnico one here) sound great with the standard Ernie Ball nickel round wounds.
@1nisaro4 ай бұрын
@@SuperFunkyPete Thanks for sharing! I actually also wound up doing nearly the same build after watching Lobster (except I went 3 band) and love toying with different strings but they're often demo'd on P's or J's, so the sound comes out different. I usually go nickels, but the only steels I've tried were Ernie Ball, which seemed too cold for my taste
@SuperFunkyPete4 ай бұрын
Strings are a big frontier to cover. I keep trying out different sets and finding interesting differences. DR Fat Beams are some of my favourite steels; they have just a bit more mids than Hi Beams and D’Addario Pro Steels and can add just a touch of needed warmth to that ‘steel sound’. I used Hi Beams here but on my Celinder (see my other video, plug plug lol), Fat Beams are perfect.
@bonesandrolls64024 ай бұрын
Your completely right... Stearlin4 is good enough... The 3000$ for a stingray is unjustified
@SuperFunkyPete4 ай бұрын
You bet!! I could get a custom made for me for that money.
@bonesandrolls64024 ай бұрын
Before buying it, I had the idea of buy the sterling 34 but checking the differences and the price.... I think that famous brands do the same. Gibson specially. They change epiphone pickups by gibson pickups and the increase the price 500$.... Yep. You can check some parts from the bass and it is enough. Another thing is that you want tonbuy a jewel... Then the stingray is perfect 😅
@bassmack4 ай бұрын
Don't sound that close...
@SuperFunkyPete4 ай бұрын
Eh. I guess it’s in the ear of the beholder
@tekglitch44844 ай бұрын
Bass sounds sublime. What's the name of the song being played on the fingerstyle?
@tekglitch44844 ай бұрын
I found it. Thundercat / Mac Miller. I knew I heard it somewhere! I actually heard it from the bassist of a funk band called Telua. You should check them out if you already haven't!
@SuperFunkyPete4 ай бұрын
That’s the JuliaPlaysGroove version of ‘What’s The Use’ by Mac Miller. Original bassist was Thundercat…Julia’s line is well worth copping, she’s fantastic…
@tekglitch44844 ай бұрын
@@SuperFunkyPete I love JuliaPlaysGroove! I've only started the bass in the new year, but I found some tabs for What's the use on Nate Navarro's channel, so I've just started to learn it after wringing my comment.
@VeitLehmann4 ай бұрын
Very insightful! I'm planning a custom build/mod as well. Not a recreation of a Wal, but kind of similar: A friend of mine builds low-impedance sliding pickups that pair really well with filter preamps like Lusithand's NFP. The pickup is very shallow, it slides above the pickguard but requires a sliding mechanism below. So a Sterling or OLP StingRay should be the perfect base. A filter preamp should be added because the pickups don't have a pronounced resonant peak. But with that combination, this would be a bass that could do it all, especially when I use 2 pickups.
@SuperFunkyPete4 ай бұрын
That sounds like it could work well. Let’s hear it when you’re done!
@VeitLehmannАй бұрын
@@SuperFunkyPete I got to test a prototype bass and now we're in the planning phase for a custom build. It will probably be a custom-made body (I just designed a shape, kind of between a Jaguar and a StingRay 5 with a unique twist), paired with an off-the-shelf neck with Fender 5-string dimensions (20-22 frets for more space for the pickups, and so I can change to a high-quality neck easily). I'm probably going for 2 sliding pickups, but a single filter EQ to keep it somewhat simple. If all goes well, this will be able to sound like all the classic basses out there - P, J, StingRay, Ric, Wal, Thumb, and more 😁
@SuperFunkyPeteАй бұрын
@@VeitLehmann I think the sliding pickups idea is really smart. I wish I had thought of it. Record what you make, I'd love to hear it..
@VeitLehmann4 ай бұрын
This is an amazing bass! It's fascinating how the J formula works so well for such a wide range of different interpretations. I also always found Celinder basses to be one of the most beautiful takes on the Jazz Bass (especially that 3-pickup 5-string is sick!). But I didn't know about the special pickups and preamp - really convincing Marcus Miller sound indeed! I also play a modern J, but a completely different take: A Clover Apeiron H.5, still made in Germany before the brand was sold to NBE in the Czech Republic. It blends passive 60s Jazz with 70s StingRay sounds. The pickups and wiring is also special, featuring Delano TheHybrid pickups. Clover is another brand that almost nobody talks about anymore. Those are not nearly as boutique as Celinder basses, more comparable to Sandberg basses, but still awesome instruments. Hard to find, but if you find one, it's usually not that expensive. I have had mine for almost 15 years now, and I'll never sell it!
@SuperFunkyPete4 ай бұрын
I’ve seen the Clover basses. They look great; never heard one. I’ll have to try and check one out if I can.
@ChezzOnBass4 ай бұрын
9.5 lbs isn’t really that heavy for a j bass copy, or a real jazz bass. Many are over 10 lbs.
@SuperFunkyPete4 ай бұрын
Fair point; perhaps I should consider myself lucky!!
@jjmonzon43434 ай бұрын
That Celinder looks and sound amazing. Great job at displaying it's tonal range, and showing how the preamp compliments the picukps.
@SuperFunkyPete4 ай бұрын
Appreciate it JJ. I’m always surprised how long it takes me to record anything. I’ll get faster one day
@crocholiday4 ай бұрын
Gorgeous bass and awesome tone. You may not know it yet but the mistake you made was that you should have sold the child lol.
@SuperFunkyPete4 ай бұрын
😂 ha!!!
@57precision4 ай бұрын
Pete thank you so much for all the hard work you've done. Wal's are basically unobtainable for most players, and I feel like their construction and working has been a sort of "forbidden lore" for many years. I think the Yamaha TRBX as a donor is an excellent idea. Do you know the pickup dimensions of the TRBX? I did a little research and I found that Bartolini claims the BC shape (100 x 32 mm) is a direct drop in. This is wider than the Turner Stingray shell, so it would appear that the mounting rings would be obligatory if you want a clean look with no gaps. Luckily, the Turner shell is much longer than than Bartolini BC, which should give you plenty of wiggle room to get the pickup locations exact. Is my logic correct, based on your experience?
@SuperFunkyPete4 ай бұрын
You’re very kind. I don’t know the TRBX pickup dimensions, but I have played them, and I suspect they are narrower top to bottom than Turner pickups but perhaps just bit less wide (from E to G string). I think the mounting rings would be needed too. I use Microsoft PowerPoint sometimes to measure up basses (as long as I have a shot from the front and make the distance from nut to 12th fret the same on both, I can make size comparisons between the basses). Why don’t you try something like that to help visualise it?
@sodoberman4 ай бұрын
Thanks for this!! Huge fan of John East stuff. For me, I favor Nordstrand Audio P/U
@SuperFunkyPete4 ай бұрын
I like them too, and would have gone with Nordstrand at the time if it was available. But, couldn’t get one, so Aguilar it was.
@sodoberman4 ай бұрын
@@SuperFunkyPete also, another fine choice.. Aguilar was a close #2 for me
@CraYzJake15 ай бұрын
I am going to be upgrading my stingray and would like to install the bridge mute kit. Can you go into some more details on how you did that?
@BassGods5 ай бұрын
My Ray4 is finally completed. I wish I could show you what it looks like. It looks like no other. I’m into looks, so I did something extra special on mines. Lol
@BassGods4 ай бұрын
@@SuperFunkyPete what’s your twitter handle. I’ll post a picture.
@Living_Water2745 ай бұрын
Longer scale brighter sound for same note. So if you took the electronics right out of your wal and put them right into your other bass it would still be brighter. Nice versatile sound though.
@SuperFunkyPete5 ай бұрын
Yes, scale differences would make a big sonic change. I’ve noticed 32” scale instruments have quite a different sound. Fortunately, here, both the Wal and the Wal-ish have the same scale length, 34”.
@bassimprovjams37725 ай бұрын
I might get roasted for this, but the RHCP example, I like the blue bass tone better, could be just the eq you have idk but it was brighter and had more snap, could also be the strings idk
@bassimprovjams37725 ай бұрын
Your poor Wal back there tho😢 lol this sounds like a pretty good success
@SuperFunkyPete5 ай бұрын
Thanks man. I like it!
@driftless71346 ай бұрын
Awesome video and experiments man! Now I'm thinking of modifying my trusty old Ibanez srx700 with this set up. The pickup spacing wouldn't quite be right, but it should still be awesome. And I already own the bass.
@crocholiday6 ай бұрын
Man, what a journey! From a player that would love a Wal but would never pay a Wal price for one, I salute you sir!
@SuperFunkyPete6 ай бұрын
Thank you, Croc. I hope it’s been helpful!
@ValuelessPond226 ай бұрын
This is so cool! I’m really glad you made this video series!! I’m excited to dig into what you found!
@LukeEsther6 ай бұрын
I think placing the pickups in different positions to the Wal is the missing piece of the puzzle. It would probably sound exactly like the Wal if they were in the right spot. Ever considered moving the bridge pickup?
@ChemistryZero6 ай бұрын
Did you look into Rautia Multi-coil pickups? That coupled with the LusiHand preamp seems to be the go-to for people building Wal sounding basses.
@ChemistryZero5 ай бұрын
I had an afterthought. Have you approached Bartolini? They’re in the central coast of CA and very open to new ideas and make fantastic stuff.
@rottenramone6 ай бұрын
Amazing journey! I had my modulus FB4 modded with the single NFP and the Rautia multicoil, trying to get the Wal tone too. I guess it sounds "Waldulus"?
@ConstruKction6 ай бұрын
I modded my Spector with a Lusithand Double NFP Special & a pair of Herrick multicoils some time ago. I think I literally managed to get the Wal tone after following through with your advice of rolling off the knobs to regain the treble. It's incredible how much difference that made vs having them fully open. Thank you for that!
@DaddyStoat6 ай бұрын
Wondering if a G&L Tribute L-2000 might make a good donor bass for a project like this. The pickup positions are approximately right (although they'd need to be routed out because they're the wrong shape), it's got four control knob holes and a battery box, it's available with a rosewood fingerboard, and it's a high quality, well-constructed instrument in general.
@NootNoode6 ай бұрын
I have a suggestion on a donor bass: there is a chinese manufacturer that builds wal fakes to custom spec. and the construction they use is the same as a original. so what i mean by that is a mahagony core on the body with for example birdseye maple facing and back. and a 5 piece neck with the same woods as a wal and rosewood fretboard. they even have the same huge electronics cavity as a original - really a faithful (and shameless) copy. the pickuppositions arent exact unfortunately - but they do build to custom specs, so i'm sure they can do the same measurements as the original if you provide them with it. comes stock with two MM style humbuckers and 2 band preamp. just gut them out for turners and the nfp and you're happy. the routing for the pickups isnt deep enough for the turners tho - i had to correct that, but wasnt really an issue. the bass costs about 600€ comes in either mk1 or mk2 shape i have that setup, quite happy but i wish i had the exact pickup-placement and the new turners. so thinking about getting rid of it again actually
@NootNoode6 ай бұрын
@@SuperFunkyPete Ali But there are sometimes scammers about I bought from grandguitarampstore or however it was called
@bassimprovjams37725 ай бұрын
Man I’d love to see and hear it! Where did you get it!!??? That would be such a. Fun project!
@gakefeddy37096 ай бұрын
Plays Tool with no pick. Lol Sounds not bad until the E string
@SuperFunkyPete6 ай бұрын
Ah….both Tool clips are played with a pick here…? Can’t comment on the rest, the playing is what it is…
@jamesnell72246 ай бұрын
Where did you get those control nobs from? I'm having a wall style bass made by Mike Walsh of zoot and I'm looking for some control knobs like that to finish it off.
@chunegrolas6 ай бұрын
Cool video! A question. Did you make any modifications in the bridge where the rectangular plate with the muters is located? I’m doing a very similar modification to my OLP’s bridge and I already made all the holes but I’m wondering how to put that plate because the original bridge has already 2 rectangular spaces made for that piece. Best!
@SuperFunkyPete6 ай бұрын
I did have to drill through the existing bridge plate, 4 holes, to allow the thumb screws from the mutes to screw into the wood. I would have preferred to put in metal inserts in there for the adjustable mute screws to go into, but couldn’t find any that would fit. I hope that answers your question..
@mattbh0y6 ай бұрын
another great video thank you 😁 great explanation and i will be doing my own this year, ive just made my own fretless bass out of an old fender pbass and added an humbucker at the neck just because i had it spare. cant wait to follow your lead and thank you again.
@SuperFunkyPete6 ай бұрын
Go for it Matt. Would love to hear how it turns out!
@mattbh0y6 ай бұрын
@@SuperFunkyPete struggling to find Turner MC4X multicoil pickups with 'English Voicing' i CAN see MC4
@SuperFunkyPete6 ай бұрын
@@mattbh0y you’ll have to message him directly. They are a special order I think
@mattbh0y6 ай бұрын
@@SuperFunkyPete is it less than 300?
@SuperFunkyPete6 ай бұрын
@@mattbh0y it was around that. Postage and import tax is killer though
@krazyolie6 ай бұрын
Character is is very close. I think the wal sounds a bit tighter in the low end. Although on marathon it's very close so that just might be how the preamp is set more than an inherent. The closest I get is with my g&l l2000, when you enable the treble switch and cut the treble knob you get a bit of the wal effect
@SuperFunkyPete6 ай бұрын
It will never be perfect, that would need I think some preamp tweaks from Lusithand. But it’s definitely within the range of sounds that Wal basses make now…
@krazyolie6 ай бұрын
@@SuperFunkyPete Definitely. especially in a live setting it would sound extremely close
@DannePlaysBass6 ай бұрын
Excellent job and sounds great! It’s been interesting to follow your journey. To my ears your bass has a lot more low end in comparison to the Wal, which might remove some of that mid bark a Wal has. I’ve tried the NFP myself previously and my biggest gripe was that it has a too wide frequency range, so either too bassy or too high endy. I also think that having some treble mixed in with the signal like Wal’s pick attack switch is key to having a useable tone when rolling down the filters. It looks like Underhill now sells a preamp that does this so would be very cool to check it out and see what you think. Keep up the Good work! 🙌
@thunderdrums65516 ай бұрын
Marathon sounded almost identical with both basses… hmmm
@honeybadger18106 ай бұрын
I think maybe those wal pickups are a bit hotter, or something about it makes it sound hotter, but the character is really there in the clone. I think a decent overdrive with the slightest amount of grit/nasally mid boost will totally get you there, again it totally nails that rich mid range grind and character. Fantastic! You sir deserve more subscribers!
@SuperFunkyPete6 ай бұрын
Thanks Badger. I’m getting more ideas for more content as I go along. I’m never going to be in ‘regular production’, but I’ll make stuff that interests me as I go. Hopefully it will interest others too.
@fromquake6 ай бұрын
I tried making a set of knobs a few years ago. The engraving was a sticking point. It’s been on the back burner for a bit while I sort other things out.
@SuperFunkyPete6 ай бұрын
It really is tricky. I just got the newest knobs from Nuno at Lusithand, and whilst they are real quality, the range on them doesn’t quite match the range on the potentiometers either. I’ll chat to Nuno about it.
@unusualmuse6 ай бұрын
Mission accomplished, I’d say!
@Sebastianrm19886 ай бұрын
Love all the information you shared, amazing videos! And I was thinking about the Yamaha TRBX304 (or if possible to find a good deal on the TRBX504) and replace the electronics with Lusithand and Turner, looks like a good option if you want like a "Wal-ish" sound as you mentioned!
@SuperFunkyPete6 ай бұрын
Yep. It’s still not cheap but I’m sure it would work. And it’s less pricey than a Wal…