They were made for riding waves not really for racing

I had the 270 version (bought new) and used it in high-wind slalom up to 2019. It works better with a no-cam sail like a speedster or NCX, you can close the slot more easily and it just feels better. I think if you tried both setups on lumpy conditions like the UK south coast you'd find some more advantages to the older board, I find the length and rocker really helpful in larger chop and swell.

As a landlocked U.S. guy all I remember was the 1987(?) America's Cup in Australia on the television and they were way out there well in to deep blue water and the patrol boats were chasing and apprehending other boaters that were getting in the way(restricted areas). Suddenly some guy showed up on a board and he was out there casually cutting up where he was not supposed to be and as the patrol boats came after him he looked over his shoulder saw them coming and he leaned into it and skipped away like he had an engine, those guys had no chance of chasing him down(It was pretty big chop and serious winds that day). Ever since then I wished I was in a place where I could get in to the hobby.

Thx Nico, very helpfull

❤It's a great video. I enjoyed watching the video. 👍

Enjoy the dynamic POV.

I did wind surfing in the end of 80’s and I remember how goo good was when you can get the wind really pushing, I wish I was young and healthy to try again. 🌊🏄‍♂️

I didn't quite catch the year of the vintage board. I still have my original board that I got around 1986 or so. I have an O'Brien 12 foot board with a mast track. I believe it is in the 240 liter range. I also have a shorter, about 9 foot O'Brien that I bought in I think spring of '88. Both boards are made of some sort of plastic that coolers were made out of and they are in a shed in my yard. Neither board has seen water since at least 1989. I still have the original sail, a Neil Pryde 6M.

Nice to see many of us ‘older’ windsurfing people about and still being enthusiastic about our sport after the diversion to kite surfing, wing foiling, windsurf foiling. 😁👍

Looks like a Mistral Stinger a few boards to the right of the JP? I had a Mistral Screamer 1 for a few years. An incredibly sweet board to gybe. Used to love to look back a watch the slice that the pintail made in the water when gybing. Volume in front of mast track helped keep the board planing when slowing down a bit in gybes but maybe moved less from line than modern boards during gybe due to being narrower. Yes, older boards a different stance and style. Shorter lines maybe and maybe a bit more of forward lean towards nose might have kept nose a bit lower in water and a bit faster overall perhaps. Length of older boards quite good for grip when going upwind, or that's what we used to think. A slightly smaller sail might have been a bit faster too maybe. Max sail on an old school 85L board would probably be an absolute maximum of 6m at most. I had a Tiga 260 88L and never put more than 5.7 4-cam sail on it. Bigger friend sailed one with max 6m no-cam sail.

A lot of fun to read back all the boards feom back in the days in the comment. Personally had a ADHD speedslalom 262. A rocket ship althoud due to the slow volumes requiree some skills in the corners.

I learned by myself almost 30 years ago, on a 80 liters Fanatic Mega Jag with Gaastra 6.5 cambered sail on very choppy water. Without strong wind it was not fun, couple of years later upgraded for a bigger 110 liters Fanatic with more fun for speeding. In 2012 I bought aTabou Rocket LTD 115 and now I use it with 5.0 to 7.8 cambered sails, have a lot of fun and I feel the difference like between a Ford Ka and a Mustang

I still have my Division II from 1984. Riding that downwind in decent swells with the centerboard up is by far the most difficult board I have ever sailed, far harder than a 6 foot surfboard.

Nico. I have a Cobra slalom 270 (270x52x90liter) in my garage. The fastest productionboard of 1994. In 2008 I reached 64 km/h with it with an old Gaastra Courseslalom pro 5.2. I know. Not your trademarks (sadly😊). You may try the Cobra if you want.

I have an older Tiga 265 bump and jump, 75 litres made of polyethylene, ie washing up bowl plastic very heavyand bends. Very thin , high nose. Where we sail in Langebaan South Africa, get terrible chop, 30 knots against a 5 knot tide. In these conditions the old board is so much smoother than modern. My 76l tabou 3S becomes uncomfortable, old board isgo to board

7:05 frustrated that an 87L board doesn’t float as well as a 111L board 🥴

These are not equivalent boards. The JP is set-up with a single back strap and is clearly set for wave sailing. The modern board has twin straps and is set-up for downwind slalom. The differences are obvious.

All my boards are older than that and all that thin. I've tried the modern boards, but they all feel like riding an oil tanker. I had a couple of Mistral Hawaii Naish, and I did cut the nose off because they would always get damaged. Both were still fantasic boards to blast around on, no matter what the conditions were. So easy to ride but you have to be super fast on the tack. The fin you used wasn't really a good match for the board.

I rode a JP Slalom board circa 2000, it was much faster than my own Bic board, and much harder to turn! If progress in board design had not been made in the past 20 years, all of the claims of "10% faster" most years would be fraudulent.

BATMAN

Sargassum is a problem in the caribbean, Virgin Islands and East Coast of America. How do these handle the sargassum?

Ich würde sagen der Boardvergleich hinkt ziemlich. 1. +35 Liter mehr Volumen bei einer Breite von >60cm bei dem neuen JP Board im Vergleich zum "alten" Board sind Welten. Das eine Board ist für Dich ein "Sinker" wie wir früher gesagt haben und das neue Board ein "Floater". Und natürlich macht es weniger Spass wenn man bis zu den Knien abtaucht und als U-Boot durch den See pflügt, als wenn man über Wasser im Gleiten ist. 2. Das Segel was Du benutzt hast schiftet für den engen Kurvenradius des "alten" Boards viel zu langsam. 3. Die Verhältnisse mit extrem flachem Wasser bei ablandigem Wind erlauben Boardbreiten von 70-80cm mit Finnen >40cm Länge, sodass Du das Board relativ gefahrlos aufkanten lassen kannst und im Wesentlichen auf der Finne gleitest. Ab Chop-Höhe >40cm ist so ein müheloses Daherdüsen, aber für Otto-Normalbürger mit einem Board mit Breiten von 70cm und mehr nicht wirklich drin. Da spielen schmalere Boards dann ihre Vorteile aus, das sie eben dem Chop weniger Aufschlagfläche entgegenbringen. Die "alten" Board-Designs" sind nicht schlechter als das was aktuell Mode ist. Sie haben einfach andere Prioritäten und sind damit auf ihre Weise zeitlos. Ich kann mich noch gut erinnern wie der Weg vom TenCate, über den Windglider mit "Blutrinne" gefolgt von den ersten Boards mit Fußchlaufen wie HiFly 444 , hin zu den Custom-Boards ging, wo sich jeder am See dann in den 1980er Jahren in seiner Garage seinen eigenen Sinker gebaut hat. Bei den Eigenbauten gingen die Boardlängen runter auf 220cm mit Volumina von 45-60 Litern bei einer maximalen Breite von 52cm. Und auch die Boardhersteller zogen dann nach und produzierten Sinker aus der Tiefziehpresse. Das wurde also immer extremer. Bis man feststellte, dass, obwohl das "U-Boot"-Surfen zwar irgendwie Cool aussieht, wenn man bis zum Achterliek durch das Wasser pflügt, es aber doch auf Dauer keinen Spaß macht. Und dann hatte man, weil man merkte das die Sportler frustriert waren, dass sie bei den üblichen 4 Bft der Norddeutscehn Tiefebene mit den Sinkern fast nie im Gleiten waren, die Boardbreiten wieder den regionalen Windverhältnissen in Europa - dem wichtigsten Markt für Windsurfboards angepasst. Die Lösung waren die "Klotüren". Boards mit den Abmessungen 200cm x 100cm und Volumina von 140Liter aufwärts. Und Überraschung: auf einmal kam man auch wieder bei 4Bft ins Gleiten, selbst der Norddeutsche Durchschnitts-Vatti mit seinen 110kg KG. Da war die Welt dann wieder in Ordnung. Allerdings wollte man dann eben auch schon bei 2.5 Bft auf dem See im Gleiten sein. Also musste noch mehr Gleitfläche her. nun wurden die Boards noch breiter bis 120cm und damit konnte man sich dann auch gegen eine Finne von 100cm Länge stemmen .... allerdings fehlte dann doch noch der entsprechende Vortrieb um diese neue Geometrie zum funktionieren zu bringen. Die Lösung: Segel mit 12-15qm und Mastlängen bis 6m. Also: eine "Abomination" im Board-- und Rigg-Design jagte die andere. Und das ist bis heute so und wird sich wohl auch nie ändern. Allerdings gibt es immer auch einen design-threshold und solche Designs sind zeitlos. So wie das hier gezeigte gelbe alte JP Board, .... which is a beauty compared to the "modern" ugly-stubnose-short-fat-cut-out abomination of a board.

il y a des milliers de vielles planches accrochés au plafond de garage francais, c'est sur !!!

Ha ha - I still have that F2 board further back in the rack. I also have my old styrotec built, "Sailboards Maui" branded custom board from 1988 in the boat shed. Fun times from down under!

I have what I’m pretty sure is the first single fin wave jumper in Australia, a Bob McTavish board from the early 80s. It is really fast, gun shape, make for big wave sailing. Totally different from the modern boards. It’s a “sinker” so you need to be able to do water starts, and at least 20 knots to sail it. Cheers Rustie.

Windsurfing is getting a 2nd Life, now, with foils.

You need to go out with the f2 Sputnik

Great video! I have a Mistral Classic 276 103l from 1999, it is a great board and fun in open water chop because it is narrow, fast and cuts through chop like it’s nobody’s business. It is the board I learnt on and I love the fact that it was such a challenge. In the gusty conditions we have in Malta it was tricky to keep it planing in the lulls, but in the wind it was fast, stable and very comfortable. As the boards evolved and got wider I eventually learnt how to gybe on the wider boards, but I still have the Classic, and even though I haven’t sailed it in a long time it would be difficult to let it go.

I still have my 41yo Naish Gun with deep conclaves and a stretched narrow tail. It planes in 15 knots, jibes like a demon, and is still easily controlled in 40 knots (in PNG with a 2.8m sail).

How can you compare an 84l sinker with a much bigger board?

You had a F2 Sputnik by that board. I understand sponsorship but it's not a fair comparison.

I am, still, now and then ,using my 1986 F2 sunset slalom. the first slalom board. super fast. Comparing new and old boards is like comparing old skis with carving skies.

I still love my Sunset Slalom I bought when I was 16. Now I’m 52 and it looks still brand new. 😊

I'm 43 and I started windsurfing in 1994, that board is not so old and not a racing machine... It was more a high wind fun board for choppy conditions...what's the point comparing with a +25lt board? Beside this the outline is much more sexy than larger and modern ones...and only 1 knot slower.

Hello my friend i m not sure i all understand all wat u say sorry i m french...i love u its my first JP ! I have the 270 but,shark noose...its a fuking gun m'y Friend 😊 ...i canot loose this bord becose she have no limite speed if its flat...in 50 knots she have no limite speed !😍 ... juste you and your balls ! Just a gun to exterminate concurrence 😂. Ton pied de mât mon ami tu l'as réglé pour une board récente ! pour ça fallait le caller plus devant ! T'aurais eu accès à la 5 et 6 ème vitesse !(This board IS a fucking rs6. Your réglage wasnt good too attempt a top speed with her !) ...Come in France 🤣i show u😘🙂

Name of the spot?

Habe auch noch so ein altes, war mein erstes schmales Board -F2 Wizzard 268cm 63cm 113L -ja komplett anderes Feeling, Schräglage bis Haare fast im Wasser liegen beim Gleiten, Vollgas Gleiten im hohem Chop sogar ohne Fußsschlaufen möglich und dabei noch Tasse Kaffee trinken können so smooth, irgendwie komplett relaxt. Fahrbar von 4.2 bis 7.4 Segeln, dümpeln und Schotstart geht auch -also totaler Allrounder.

The starting powerboat totally interfered in the start of the race.

you have 95 kg and use an 85L freeride. We didn't do that back in the day, we have had bigger boards as well. Also your have the footstap not in the last hole nor a double foot strap in the back, which is how this boards want to be sailed, this was the recommendation already back in the day. Therefore I don't think this is a fair comparison at all. Also you as a professional are very skilled, I never see anybody on the lake with a wide board mastering a jibe in the heavy chop. Whereas with more narrow boards they somehow get away with it... One thing that everybody doing sports should be aware of is to not compare himself with a professional. So the question is if your judgement of a good board is applicable to a normal guy?

71 year old with Goya one 106 great board for me 5.8 - 4.7. But when the wind is light I get out my 1992 Seatrend World Cup and my 6.5 and I feel untouchable.

For a complete scary test you must try with the NP V8 of the same year !!! 😂 Nice vidéo…thanks🤙🏼

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I like da oldscool stuff

i have a white version of the jp with 110l in my garage ;) interrested ? ;)

I rode white F2 Sputnik 265 till last year. I now have a Supersport 101 but still enjoy old style boards 🦖

there is more drag

What was the spot exactly? I m moving to the South of france est Leucate next year and this spot seems smooth !

A surf shop sold me the F2 Axxis when I was 14 as a begginer's board. I will wave ride it one day...

I prefer my fanatic bee(the green machine) To my not new but newer hypersonic. I find the bee comfortable in the chop were as I get knocked of balance with the wider hypersonic. Picked up the Bee for $50 at a swap it was my dream board when I was a teen and it got me back in the sport after a 20year break. And I wish I didn't pay out what I paid for the hypersonic and invested that into more new sails as the sails make a huge difference in progression. Hint Hint Nico you want to try some older sails I have some you can have. Catapult city.

As someone else said, the whole setup of the 85 is more choppy/wave oriented. Also, volume are too much different. Everything, even that wood table you rode a while ago, will do "ok" in perfect flat water. Length will for sure be helpful to adsorb chop....I am 100% sure that the Supersport won't be as much comfortable in rough water as the old 85: less eve, less rocker, more width=more harsh ride