Dr. Peter Webb, Thanks for your book Imagining Arab. But I must say the book is very irritating to read and almost all the names you referred to in very peculiar spelling, general people need another year just to understand those names!

CAN WE HAVE MYTH OF BLACK AFRICA IN EGYPT ?

Even on youtube today, you cannot fink a better interview

WHY NO TALK ON AFROCENTRISM ?

*show me, prove me!, tests among the Yahud in Palestine, not the 3-5% percent Levantine Sephard jews, Yemeni and Morrocan, but the white Yahud of Europe, majority in Palestine, give us the results of the 7-8, or even 9 million people, then come back, and shove your results on us, if you like, if you can, if bibi allows you...lets us see THE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH!*

*your dna claim is false, John Hopkins dna tests came out: 40% mongolian..., no semitic dna was found, neither can you find dna tests in occupied Palestine, becuase it is forbidden for the yahud to take dna tests, on the orders of the zionist "high commands"...*

Oh Clarence Tripp you creepy monster 😡😡😡

I really enjoyed this conversation about the Freethinkers of Medieval Islam. Congratulations to Prof Sarah Stroumsa and the interviewer!

Let us ignore all those arguments and look at Quran as it is and the message it has.is it confirming the scriptures before. Is it teaching the same message as the former scriptures.

Here is some other historical info and some facts on this topic. The first Turkic factions were the subject of the Mongolian Rouran Khaganate and emerged under Mongolian society. These factions consisted much of the workforce of this Khanate and living as a servant. These slave Turkic tribes rebelled and overthrew the Mongol rule and established a new Khanate named "Gokturk". About that turk&turkic word difference, The "Turk" and "Turkic" word isn't the same thing. "Turk" is a modern term used to describe the current inhabitants of "Turkey" who believe in Islam and are highly influenced by Islamic and Arabic culture. They are mostly assimilated Greeks, Armenians, and Kurds, characteristically similar to Arabs. There are many historical and genetical evidence available to supplement and prove that theory. "Turkic" is a word used to describe originated central Asian factions&ethnic groups who lived a nomadic lifestyle and followed shamanistic tradition. (such as Khazar's which ceased to exist in the 11th century.) The factual Turkic people have similarities with Chinese and Koreans, like any other typical Asian people. One of the well-known "Turkish" groups (also known as seljuk turks) migrated to Asia Minor through the Caucasus in the early 11th century. The seljuks raided and pillaged Armenian villages while condemning innocent local people to slavery and converting many Christian churches to mosques. (You can see many of these historical temples in the northeastern provinces of Turkey) Most of these turks fled from Mongol wrath to seek accommodation on new land while looting the Christian villages. That century also set out the beginning of the assimilation of local people. I'd also add to that lastly. According to these "turks," everyone is a "Turk". :) Indians, Mongols, Vikings, Bulgarians, Hungarians, or even ancient states like Carthage, all these factions have Turk ancestry :) These delusional, unscientific claims are a result of false history lessons in turkey, based on unhistorical panturk claims. In fact, these "turks" are the ones who lost their culture and identity due to assimilation that took hundreds of years. In short, the turks are learning fake history in that country named "Turkey". As a history geek, I've always pointed out historical facts in my comments that I wrote it on KZfaq in the last decade. I'm dealing with historical realities here. P.S. Now it's just a matter of time an ignorant Turkish brat comes up with an irrational reply. I forget, many mindless utterly ignorant people roaming around here writing down irrational, useless replies .)

What a load of crap, like Kazakhstan the ninth largest country and Kazakh language does not exist

He is wrong /mistaken on several points. --- Makkah & Taif have different climates & soils. Taif is good for Farms while Makkah is not. Makkahs 'soil' is either sandy or rocky and hot & dry. Just look at Google maps satellite view of the area. -- ancient pre islamic poetry & poets DID talk about the Kaba!!!

WHY AREN'T YOU QADIANIS ?

TERRON POOLE , FOLLOW BLACK RELIGION .

Dr Little talks about John of Damascus mentioning Quran as a book/scripture suggesting it has been compiled. This argument is strong but even Quran calls itself a book/scripture before it was compiled

I watched a Firing Line show from the 80’s with Sowell and it sounds like it was made last week.

The whole concept of salac as salihoon is a trope to keep ppl confused, ignorant and compliant

you guys are great. really liked this one

What a great man: intellectually honest human ( love how he has kept his ' brornx ' accent ) cheeky, dry sense of humour no chip on shoulder, no ' racism ' bullshit coins the phrase ' Group Hostility ' to replace the vacuous ' racism ' ' There are no soloutions: just trade orrfs '

Dr Little, there is a claim by Jay Smith that Dr Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, and Dr. Tayyar Altıkulac, were given permission to examine the 6 manuscripts, supposedly, written during Uthman’s time. They published their finding in Al-Mushaf Al-Sharif denying the existence of the Uthmanic Quran and said that they dated to the Umayyad period. How far is this true?

This is NOT about "a return to traditional values." It is about abusing children (Rex King) and failing to report that abuse (Alfred Kinsey).

Rex King's diaries/journals would have been of value to the cops and the therapists treating the victims. But they were of NO scientific value -- zip, nada, zero. As an abuser, he wrote what he perceived as enjoyment on the part of his victims in order to justify his abuses. That Kinsey failed to see through this speaks volumes of his failures as a scientist. That he failed to notify authorities says he had no moral compass whatsoever.

It's very difficult to hear. The voice is low. It's barely audible.

Anatolia ending: Turkey relinquishes all claims on Thrace and Mesopotamia and embraces their ancient Anatolian heritage.

This is fantastic. Two points on which I would have further queries for Dr Little that perhaps others have ideas on: 1) In these well known non-Muslim contemporary sources (eg Sebeos, the one from the Persian Empire) I have just realised that Muhammad is very much spoken of in "current" terms as being the leader of the invading armies of Syrian Palestine and Persia. But according to the traditional narrative he was dead at the time. How do we explain this? Just the time taken for the news to travel? 2) Little's focus on the Sunni/ Shia split and other politics that divided the Ummah really drove home for me, that elements of the traditional narrative are hard to write off. However, on the timing of the codification of the Quran, isn't this actually one area where even at the time all parties would be keen to push for the earliest possible date. Thank you all so much for giving an ignorant non-specialist access to some really interesting ideas which can be hard to delve into without a guide.

The first martyrdom of Islam is Summya & was in 615 AD while hercales defeated persian in 627 AD on a span of 3-9 years as Quran states. What are u trying to do with this channel ? I am confused if this is liberation of twisting of facts & history. If hercales was the one to create it then we would defeat the bedioun outnumbered muslim tribes. Get outta here.

"Know about these behaviors"? Kinsey kept the police in the dark!

I hate the way some of these people are LAUGHING about violent sex crimes against children. The fact is that a sex offender will always try to justify crimes. Thus, they say their victims had "orgasms." Their recollections are of NO SCIENTIFIC VALUE!

Very weak history to corroborate the Standard Islamic Narrative

Biblical words and names are Farsi/Persian, some are listed below: Jew "جا - jaa" = Room / Home / Shed Jesus "جاساز - jaa-saaz" = Home builder Christ " - kaar-ast/kare-dast" = The work we do using our hands to build a home, determines the owner of that house Genocide "جا نساز - jaa-na-saaz" = Do not build home Genesis "جا نسازید - jaa-na-saazeed" = Do not build house (purell for genocide) Gabrael "این جا بروید - jaa-beraveed" = Leave this home, executor of eviction Palestine "پا و دستان - paa-va-dastan" = Legs and hands, [construction] workers, carriers, porters Disciple "دست و پا دا ر - dast-va-paadar" = Having [skilled] hands and legs for work Jacob "جاکوب - jaa-koob" = Home demolisher Joseph "جا زاد - jaa-zaad" = The male who was born in that home Jouda "جدار - jaa-daar" = One with home, not homeless John " - jaa-ye-man" = My home [in the future] Judea "جادارها - jaa-daarha" = Those who have house (opposite of homeless) Moshe "مال من می‌شه - maale-man-mysheh" = It will be mine Noah "نهرها - nahhar" = River, water stream Magi "مانده جا - marde-jaa" = The man who knows the owner of the home and land Hashem "خاکشه - khakesh-eeh" = This soil belongs to him, the owner of the all the soils / dirt of the world Maryam "مادرم - maadaram" = My mother, being a mother Mary "مادری - maadary" = Motherhood, a girl who is expected to be a mother (roots for madam, Ms and Mrs) Jahad "جا بخواه - jaa-bekhah" = Demand for having a home (not an enslaved on someone else's land) Salvation "ساختمان بشین - saakhte-man-beneshin" = To live in your own built house and living in there Babylon "کار است - کار دست - bara-baran" = Equals, people who shared the land equally amongst themselves Malachi " - malekan" = Landlords, owners of the houses. At that time there were no postal addresses, people used to put their name or their statue to claim the occupation of the home, like "Hassan's Home" so every name was followed by the word " jaa", later the tribe of yahoodies claimed the word "jaa" as their names to claim all the properties. Noah also picked the name "river" so they can also claim ownership of all the water bodies on land. Hashem is the same, to claim the ownership of all the soils in the world because of a name.

Thank you for setting this up!

Terron bhai, it doesn't cease to impress me that despite your not possessing the formal academic background, you have grown a channel with authenticity and independent thinking. Passion trumps pretension. Keep up the good work, guys.

Yes that was great. Thanks 😊

So i have a question. If i am not correct the first mention of alexander, gates and gog and magog is not in fact the alexander romance versions. Rather its actual historians and commentators on the bible such as josephus flavius in the first century. Does that not surely change things significantly. It means that a fictional account did not influence the Quran , but rather a potential piece of history. As for dhul qarnayn bearing little resemblance to alexander historically, i would say we really dont know who dhul qarnayn was, names could have been confused over time, and people attributed things to alexander that had nothing to do with him..

The Quran is not interacting creatively with hypothetical biblical texts. Rather the Quran is theologically translating syriac biblical and apokhrypha texts so that arab tribes that have converted to Christianity can have a book of liturgy in their own language to be read aloud during church service. The title ”the Quest for the historical Muhammad” is not a scientific title. Rather there are two quests that historians should engage in: 1) the Quest for the historical Muhammad 2) the Quest for the historical prophet.

There is Pan-Christian agreement regarding the identity of the Gospel authors, but academics still doubt its true.

no where in the quran there is anything even remotely related to the claim that israelits took over egypt after pharao died in the sea ... I dont know where this guy got this (and article in a magazine i guess) .. this is truly hilarious when you remember that it comes from someone who pretends being able to "train" people on understanding quran ... LoooooooL

This is the problem with Islamic apologists. Muhammad Hijab is so intellectually weak it beggars belief how any person takes his debates and lectures seriously. Never any attempt at objective analysis. What's even more crazy is that he has a PhD, God help us all if this is the standard now. I'm Muslim but I don't believe in an uncorrupted Quran, I just cannot believe for a moment that the Quran was not used as a tool of jostling empires. And no, I am now a post modernist or a Focault interpreting revisionist. It's just so bloody obvious. As for the Quran being some literary masterpiece, sure yes, there are lovely verses here and there but it is total chronological mess. Everyone tells you growing up, it can't be translated and one word has many meanings and you must be knowledgable in arabic etc so many unnecessary epistemological barriers to the divine. as if life wasn't tough enough!

salam aleykoum which current are you following?? thank you for your work

I teach One Humanitarian Truth Under God, and I'm a prophet of God's New World's Testament that teaches 1 true belief about God and Jesus. Though Jews, Christians and Muslims argue, they are actually arguing over wrong man made beliefs. God's word is a progression because man messes up God's teachings with wrong and divisive interpretations and doctrines. So in reality just like the Gospel no"s" that Jesus taught, which is simply worshipping God through sinless Humanitarian behavior, God sent Gabriel to recite the Quran through Mohammed largely because of the fighting over if Jesus God or not. Muslims have largely misinterpreted Surah 4:157-159 because Gabriel described it from a spirit world perspective not a physical world perspective so Jesus actually didn't die because none of actually die, only our physical bodies die, so we just seem to die Matthew 10:28 because remember the true teachings of God is about holy behavior first. Different divisive man made interpretations and doctrines cause confusion and destroy holy behavior when people fight over different man made interpretations.

Why his hair is blue?

From what I heard from Javad in the past I believe he has some wrong understanding of the Quranic text. He is adamant that the text of the Quran is apocalyptic and the prophet Muhammad and his followers believed the world was going to end their life time. He is definitely wrong about that but he is steadfast in his belief. The verses he presents to support his claim do not back his claim but alas. I hope he won’t be presenting some misconceptions and misinterpretation on his part as facts. We’ll see. Also he seems to give too much credence to Patricia Crone and her ilk. He has some kind of Uncle Tom mentality.

Off course Our master Muhammad did exist صلى الله عليه وعلى اله الطيبين الطاهرين وسلم تسليما كثيرا

I have the feeling you are too late to the party and it seems you dont know what happend in the past years around you... In Quran we have a subject called - Quraniq-Science and one sub-course is the critic of quran as a whole... Muslims are not blind believer, they validate the Scripture, come to the conclusion that its from God and then HEAR AND OBEY. its like the Atheist, they validate a Scripture (law), then they hear and obey their government (Idolitry), this is a good comparison. do you want to know, what Prof. Angelika Neuwirth really believes. you can look her up and check her status 🙂I think our ex-muslim friend could be still her student - the below is sufficcient for you, but for us Muslims, THERE IS NO CIVILIZATION WHICH HAS THIS ROBUST ORAL TRADITION - in Islam called - GOLDEN CHAIN OF NARRATION... We are not dependent on hard-copy manuscripts, but for you guys so you can sleep well I gathered some information from a huge project where famous scholars (westeners) were involved... here a small summary from a chapter from the book: (from page 100) The project investigates the reliability and authenticity of the Quran through the opinions of leading Western experts on the Quran. These experts, including non-Muslim professors at Western universities, discuss the topic in "The Cambridge Companion to the Qur'an", edited by Jane Dammen McAuliffe. The book provides a comprehensive analysis of Quranic development as well as traditional Muslim transmission. Angelika Neuwirth, a renowned Quran professor at the University of Berlin, discusses the reliability of the Quranic text and comments on the traditional Muslim history of its formation. Her conclusion is based on the assumption that the transmitted Quranic text represents the authentic utterances of the Prophet Muhammad. Neuwirth refutes radical revisionists such as John Wansbrough, Patricia Crone, and Michael Cook, whose theories on Quranic development have been rejected by serious scholars. New insights from Quranic fragments confirm the stability of the Quranic text since the time of the Prophet. While alternative theories by Christoph Luxenberg and Günter Lüling are discussed, these lack methodological basis. The research findings demonstrate that the traditional Muslim narrative of Quranic formation is considered reliable by serious scholars.

Amazing course and amazing how your channel has grown.

Wow! Sheikh Bert Erman and Ustadh Jawad. That’s a huge flex, bro!

Ehrman moving from one podcast hosted by a British woman with enormous glasses to ANOTHER podcast hosted by a British woman with enormous glasses! The man simply will not change! Thinking aloud, I think there's a challenge involved for Javad with this course. He's going to be presenting the Quran and Islamic history to an audience that's (I assume) primarily composed of the usual Ehrman-crowd. That is to say; western, Religious History-interested, non-muslims. People without a background in the Islamic cultural milieu. I've meet plenty of Westerners who say they're interested in studying Quranic/Islamic history but give up because, well, it's essentially so "alien" to them. So unfamiliar and perplexing. There's a big cultural barrier to overcome. Even stuff like the Quran's genre of Divine Speech is a major conceptual hurdle. I'm thinking about people who spout classics like: "I read the two first chapter and then gave up" or "Wait, ibn isn't his middle name?" or "What is a Tafsir and can you eat it?" So it'll be interesting from a pedagogical perspective how he'll balance this boat. But I'm sure they're will also be people from the Academic Quran Reddit community asking him about obscure theories that Nöldeke once scribbled on a napkin in 1900-century Bavaria.

Man Terron I can't tell you how interesting this stuff is! What a team you pulled together there. I think being honest and open helps us humans really connect. Perhaps God is watching us get it together he or she is out there.

Joined the course

dang you two got ehrman and hashmi on here?!? this channel is blowing up!!!