Life as physical; life as elemental, What is consciousness? Mind, is it elemental and does it emerge with quantum events? Life, itself is not understood; physical life based on elements is a little understood. Nothing to learn here. A grandiose title for what is presented. Krauss can explain nothing of this but he is dogmatic about being a materialist which is just as well as that is all he can comprehend.

I have come to the conclusion Krause is a Pampas Ass. He could have given his assessment without attacking religion, now I understand why most atheists are like him,

Does dr meyer call himself a christian or just a deist ! If the former he pins his beliefs on archaic primitive superstitious shaman invented bronze age epistimologies which do not comport with reality ! And his foundation god belief in yahweh describes a petty , narcissistic , war mongering , pro slavery , vengeful , game playing lying god who could never have brought forth or created the awesome cosmos we experience ourselves in !

Whene Meyer starts with showing he's insulted... What a moron... What a child.

Love her theology…wish she’d stay away from politics.

Lori IS sooooo Awesome ! As a Jewish Christian myself I related so much to her Testimony and so much from her summarized dissertation !!!

This man is a Fool, and he does even know he's a Fool. Yes, a Fool with a capital F. He actually believes he's related to his cat. "Knowledge puffs up." And this is what you're seeing here: "professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."

what do ross, meyer, behe, tour and pals hope to find? why are they doing science in fact cos at the bottom of their barrel all you will find is more "nature did it". they must be really crappy christians to not realise that if god were real he doesn't allow evidence of his existence, the whole premise of christianity is you are required - it is demanded of you - that you have faith, not knowledge. are they expecting to find a trade mark? do they think god made a blunder and has some kind of electronic device hidden in all the nature stuff? they are the dumbest people in a bucket of dumb people.

This Krauss guy has been nothing but speculation, strawman, insults, "it is because I said so, presumptuous. I pray that he will search for the ultimate and objective truth of this universe without any bias from his worldview.

It's really weird that Craig just got up and made noises with his mouth, given that every noise he made came to an end and was therefor meaningless. I'd like to see him try his hand as a film critic, given that every film can only be as good as its end credits. Or a food critic, since every meal is only as good as the empty plate it leaves behind

Good grief what a load of horse manure, much like the bible itself. This is the utter nonsense that Christianity asserts is the truth: That the Creator of the Universe, 13.8 billion years ago, decided to crawl up inside a virgin girl's poon hole in ancient Palestine, 2,000 years ago, and deposit his cosmic seed into her quivering uterus. Because apparently God felt fatherhood calling for the first time in nearly 14 billion years. Yep, God wanted to be a dad. And apparently none of the female Homo Sapiens who walked the Earth during the previous 300,000 years had poon-tang with a sweet enough smell to attract YAHWEH and arouse his mighty penis. And the reason for God desiring a son, after 13.8 billion years of being childless, was because he needed the proper human to be nailed to a chunk of wood and be savagely beaten to death as some kind of idiotic and revolting blood sacrifice for the supposed sins of his own creation. Because nothing says forgiveness quite like the blood of a barbaric human sacrifice. Right?...... Don't 'ya just feel the love!!? So then, supposedly 3 days after the sadistic human sacrifice, the Creator of the Cosmos reanimated the carcas of his son so he could trot around among a small group of ignorant, superstitious peasants as though to say.."Hey fellas, lookie here what I just did! I just brought a 3 day old sack of bones back to life! Aren't you impressed!!? Doesn't that prove what a bad ass God I am? And if you want, I can crawl up inside another virgin's poon hole and do it all again for you!" This is the lunacy that Christians proclaim is 100% true. A god that ignores humankind for thousands and thousands of years before deciding that the time was right to start hanging out with a group of superstitious goat-herders in the Middle East desert, commanding them to adhere to primitive, evil beliefs, all while completely ignoring the lives of the other 170 million people who were living on Earth at that time. Every part of the Christian story is absolute bat-shit crazy nonsense. Christianity is a cult of human sacrifice. Specifically the blood of a human sacrifice. And no sane, rational person walking this Earth in 2024 should attach themselves to such irrational, immoral, caveman lunacy. So Christians, do society a huge favor and find the nearest physician that specializes in lobotomies and schedule your appointment immediately. Perhaps they will offer you a discount due to your mental illness. May Zeus bless you!

Christian Nationalist talking points. We live in a secular society and he makes little/no scientifically grounded, fully informed arguments for a different approach. Calling the "other" medical model "medical services providers" is meant to demean those who believe that science should guide the care of gender dysphoria in kids-- science on how best to preserve the choices kids have as they get older, science on how to balance the risks and challenges of gender dysphoria in kids. Instead he calls these physicians out as professionals who merely serve the whims of the child and her parents without regard to SCIENCE and relying on their own deep expertise and experience regarding the risks and options. Beware the palliative care specialist wrapped in Christianity, presenting himself as someone who cares more about kids health and well-being than the highly specialized and trained physicians who work in this field every single day. Why doesn't he just admit that the current standard of care for gender dyphoria doesn't align with his own religious ideology and that doesn't make gender affirming care unethical, it makes it a choice that HE thinks is wrong and harmful. He asserts so many things without anything other than his own Christian perspective as if we all share that. We don't. Gender affirming care that preserves choices for children as they get older and allowing them to socially transition to explore what is right for them is NOT hatred of who you are. It is LOVING yourself are enough to explore what feels right to you instead of conforming to Christian orthodoxy.

I used to greatly admire Krauss in my days as an atheist. I liked his offensive attacks on theism and particularly Islam and thought they were appropriate given the absurdity of his opposition. However now, I find this approach to be often used by those who are wrong, and want to mask their ignorance with confidence or arrogance (see Dave Farina). It’s very off putting.

Krauss is purporting pseudo scientism.

Krausse is an arrogant fool

The insult from Krauss was unnecessary, he probably felt bad when he assisted Meyer with the system but well he went back to being himself..., I mean he called the bible names but threw a fit when Steve said "Neo-Darwinism" I feel the third Dr. Is more of a Darwinian than a Christian, I feel he sticks to being a Christian because of his believe from way back. I've seen Steven Debate and speak and I know this was his lowest but still he didn't fail me.

⁠… but …much more significantly life does … have a porpoise 🐬 Also, you haven’t the first clue as to how chemistry became conscious biology .. let alone possibly the most intelligent water living mammal. Not the first clue either as to what consciousness is and how you are going to “make” it in a lab from plasma using the good old cook book of … nature .. or science/materialism. How are you going to make awareness from the only stuff you as a materialist have at your disposal … dead unconscious (extremely hot )matter. I don’t think it’s occurred to science that the Big Bang .. if it happened .. and it almost certainly did .. wasn’t a nuclear explosion in space. No one would wait around for 14 billion years after that … expecting Earth, Einstein, Dali, Disney and Mickey 🐭 to appear. The Bug Bang was obviously the cracking of a cosmic egg .. with the 4 forces transcendent mathematics/geometry (a territory mathematicians feel they discover ) , entropy, arrow of time , space, atoms cooling and flipping bits /info as they “compute” and interrelate . As I said it wasn’t an explosion in space but science pretends it was … leaving out all the intrinsic intelligence forces maths and order .. all the good stuff. Sir Roger Penrose - “Perhaps in 500 years we’ll be able to make a start in understanding consciousness “ and wouldn’t you know it … you don’t know that his theory re consciousness (not what it is but how it may be mediated in the brain through quantum processes ) with Dr Hameroff has had some early confirmation due to lab work on crystalline microtubules found in every cell. Google it. Something to ponder . It’s likely that The Universe (all that is was and will be) is organismic .. it just doesn’t look like a living conscious organism from our perspective if it’s infinity . Reality check for science .. The Universe creates every scientist .. from plasma and no scientist knows what energy IS .. we only have the maps of its behaviour couched in maths (another territory science did not create ) It’s likely that The Universe is cyclic and eternally so (out with time and space) and is an organism of a dimension science can’t get its militant materialist conditioning to even ask the right questions about. If you have the cogent answers or solutions to the above mysteries.. let’s hear them. News just in … Dr Federico Faggin .. inventor of the micro processor /logic gate technology had a mystical experience 30 years ago and has now collaborated with a specialist in quantum information to produce a theory with regard to the relationship between consciousness and quantum theory Mystic - Someone who experiences Universe as self .. and not conceptually but actually. In case you hadn’t realised that is what enlightenment is … what all the fuss is about re the mystical experience talked about by Jesus and Buddha . There is an inner subjective Universe as vast as what only appears to be the outer Universe . Why do you think people meditate in caves for 20 years ? They are explorers as much as any scientist Organised religion has got nothing to do with first hand mystical experience … someone should help Richard Dawkins to understand that fact . Read “The science delusion” by Dr Rupert Sheldrake who has the singular distinction of being banned by TED talks .. for heresy 😀

No evidence for ID. Bunch of mumbo jumbo by ID people.

Krauss is a physicist not a biologist which hurts his mental roladex of evidence to refute stephen. Hes smart but there needs to be a debate between stephen and dawkins type scientist

I hope Ellen sees my msg. I just want to say a huge thank you. This was such a soothing and healing word for my soul. The exact thing I needed to hear ! I did not know there was such depth to be found in psalm 23! I’m truly inspired by your walk with God.. I think this consolidates my decision and desire to be a minister of his word and gospel like you.

"Naturally", unbeknownst to Krauss, includes the consciousness of matter itself. Similarly, Lamoureux promotes the idea of the "the Gaps somehow find a way to close themselves." Did the "consciousness of nylonase" contribute to closing the gap in 40 years?

Krauss apparently doesn't realize that Meyer not only tried, but did talk about . . . in spite of his observational skills as a physicist, calling those skills into question! Does Krauss really believe that no human programmer coded the heuristic rules of Deep Thought that won at Go? Either he is lying because he thinks his audience is stupid or he is incredibly ignorant about computers.

Monotheism, a product of more a less a thousand years, The Axial Age Revolution, WHEN humans' cognitive capacities took an HUGE leap forward, cemented the one god-ness concept. A smart move TOWARDS meeting our innate evolutionarily developed spiritual needs, uniting ever increasing sizes of human populations, and giving us som guideposts to live by and work, coordinate, and collaborate together. RATHER more than LESS on all accounts.

God doesnt help with suffering that doesnt end and has no cure, having belief may have some benefits over short periods of time but belief doesnt help long term suffering.

Stephen meyer himself is as good of an argument for the existence of God as his science. Being humble and patient amidst bullying and insults from Krauss is a concrete argument from this man.

l Love so much DR. Lori Baron's testimony

Krauss keeps triying to convince people that nothing, behaves like something, and that something behaves like nothing (he said if there's no humans, the universe would be the same, making people, something, nothing) he said, I'll do metaphysics... No he doesn't, he's absolutly incomoetent and clueless. This Is dunning Kruger at it's highest.

Krauss starts by triying to destroy the reputation of the other participant... He, manipulates the public. Rude, dishonest and clueless, he's having, like always, his own debate about what he wants to debate, and not what the debate Is about. It's exsausting listening his boring, clueless and repetitive tactic to win, because that's what his triying to do, winning, not finding the truth.

1:29:27 People who oppose Gordie are not serious people.

1:20:55 That sounds like a weird sort of torture.

Everybody knew that Dr. Smit was talking about Hauerwas's Matthew Commentary haha

Steve is sick with a migraine and Krauss is just sick. Krauss is so disingenuous in his comments. The whole snowflake issue is a red herring. Yes. There is information in a snowflake but it is not complex specified information which is Steve's thesis. Krauss just makes ad homimem attacks on Meyer negating and denigrating his work... and constantly and quite rudely interrupting and talking over him. The evolutionist simply has no leg to stand on when trying to show evidence for new novel molecular structures arising from prebiotic conditions. I've watched so many of these debates and the most common theme in them are poorly prepared evolutionist who are given an opportunity to bring hard science to the fore and dismantle their opponents - but time after time all they bring is their ego. While the design proponents are always epically prepared citing huge amounts of evolutionary history, theory, and reseach data which undergirds their position. Right or wrong the design guys always win on decorum, preparation, and hard science. What is so gulling to me is that the evolutionists always resort to ad homimem attacks, name calling, misrepresention of the science, and misrepresentation of the theory of design. I get a migraine just listening to Krauss!!

*Biblical Creation - RETROSPECTIVE AGE:* The real problem for physics and cosmology is the origin of matter. Big bang requires all matter to be created in the first 380 million years in a diameter of 84.6 million light years. To check the validity of Big Bang we need two slutions to Einstein's equation of relativity - Schwarzschild's and deSitter both in 1917 We first calculate the Schwarzschild's radius of the universe at which its total mass M would collapse into a black hole? Mass of universe = 1e80 protons = 1.67e53 Kg Escape velocity = v = √(2GM/r) therefore r = 2GM/v^2 Substitute M = 1.67e53 and v = 3e8 m/sec (speed of light) *Minimum dia of the universe to avoid collapse into a black hole is 52.5 billion light years!* Matter of the universe could not be created early in a big bang! Particle pair production at CERN also confirms antimatter exactly equals matter, (first law of thermodynamics) so there is no net residual of matter falsifying the assumed creation of matter by pure concentration of energy. Running the universe back in time is not the same for its energy and matter. A candle burning (like star we see today) ENERGY (photons) can go back to a point but the MATTER of the universe cannot. The candle gets BIGGER and must STOP at its maximum state of ORDER minimum entropy! Stars must by the second law do the same they cannot form by self gravity from a higher entropy state (Wallace 2009)! There had to be an expansion of space followed by the creation of wave energy with no mass except earth at centre to nearly the size we observe today. This is where the deSitter solution (1917) of Einstein's wave equation comes in and amazingly fits the Biblical account: Day 1: _"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"_ Earth with space stretched out Day 1: God said _"let there be light"_ photon energy injected into expanding space equal to the total mass and energy of the universe Day 4: God said _"he made the stars also"_ after the expansion the mind of God collapses the wave energy into stars, planets, moons etc The delayed quantum eraser experiment shows a MIND collapses a wave to produce a particle with a history written retrospectively in time! The collapse is also instantaneous, has no antimatter problem, no gravity problem and solves the starlight time problem with no need for add hoc miracles! With earth existing before the stars it is unlikely all the wave energy would come from one point too close as it would destroy the earth plus distant quasars being so massive the wave energy would be too week by the time it got there and then there is the ordered placement of stars on swirling galaxies so I propose the following. Day 1 God creates time (beginning), space (Heavens) and matter (earth). God then stretches out the space from around earth many times faster than light. On a sphere six light days from earth he injects light into the expanding space at the centre of where every star will end up in their highly ordered galaxies. The light corresponds to every _"particle"_ wave that will make up the entire mass of the universe. After 3 days of expansion on day 4 His infinite mind collapses most of that energy to form every star, black hole, planet (beyond earth) and moon. Since the trace of light goes back to the six light day surface so does the observed history which after six days reaches earth. It means the history of the stars we observe is real and does go back billions of years in OUR frame of reference calculated by the distance but in THEIR frame of reference that history was created instantaneously backwards from 6000 years ago and by day 4 that light reached earth so Adam created on day 6 could see stars billions of light years away. The massive intensity of light being created on the six light day sphere means a concentration which by the time the echo of it reaches earth it is observed as an ultra smooth low temperature radiation we know as the CMBR. This also explains why even moons are hot on the inside. If they formed by external accretion of matter over long periods of time then all the heat would be generated on the outside and immediately begin radiating back into outer space and the planet would have a cold centre. But if created by wave energy from the inside then there is a reason why excess of that energy could create the hot interior we discovered. Since _"God has made it plain"_ all our answers should be plain to both non-believers and believers regardless of the sophistication of the technology. The biblical account is the only account which correctly separates space and matter using both Schwarzschild's and deSitter solutions to Einstein's equation of relativity overcoming the antimatter and second law problems of the Big Bang. It is therefore no longer necessary for creationists to deny the obvious history of light from distant stars and look _"dumb"_ or require add-hock miracles or special pleading to solve what has been a major stumbling block for many who question the truth of the Bible based on the stars which should give glory to God to anyone who looks at them.

The loser of this debate is Steven Meyer and he proved that he has no correct knowledge of biology and evolution.

Lawrence Krauss is pictured on Epstein Island, he is also a sexual predator.

Evolution is every human birth we all look different Creation is every plant and animal birth Sperm and egg What was first the chicken or the egg……??????

Willain Craig looks like Frankenstein's monster.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. - Pslam 14:1. When you can't win on substance, attack your opponent's character. That's what Krauss did. Krauss himself is a good argument for the existence of God because he shows what a Godless heart is like. I was disappointed that Lamoureux, a brother in Christ with Meyer, seemed to side with Krauss and attack Meyer.

Krauss is so arrogant he said he could’ve designed this world (universe) better. Really? He says he doesn’t believe in God but he sets himself equal to him. Gee, does that sound like someone else we know? Add to that his rudeness and just being a jerk but I guess that’s okay because he’s soooo smart. I’m glad we don’t live in LK’s universe because we’d all be pompous pricks.

Watching in 2024! And it's lent too. Holy week next week! Timing is great! My husband has been raving about Flemming Rutledge and the book for years. I have resisted because i felt i had all i needed for the time being. But yesterday I sought her out because i am re- evaluating, addressing what i actually believe versus what i thought i believed. . I have stopped to think anew about Jesus and thought she was a good solid place to start. I was right or rather, my husband was. This talk is really interesting and uplifting. Thanks for leaving her talk here for long enough that i get to hear her.

God of the gaps. Do we know how DNA was created? Nope. Can we hypothesize about how it happened? Are those hypotheses testable? If their testable, than they may have some value. If they are untestable - god did it - they have no value scientifically. Lots of lovely words under difficult challenges Dr. Meyer, but inevitably of little value.

I just watched this for the first time so feedback is a little late. The moderator forgot to mention that Dr. Krauss has a PHD in RUDE, and has obviously done extensive post graduate work in this area. His behavior toward Dr. Meyer was totally Rude, Unprofessional and and Condescending Simply appalling. I guess they don't teach manners in advanced course work.

I've read Krauss's book and I've watched him debate before. The previous description of him as a fundamentalist preacher for atheism is spot on. If I was an atheist I would consider him an embarrassment to my cause.

Contrary to most comments, I find the inclusion of dr. Goldstein to be rather valuable. Not so much for her insights, but rather for contrast and perspective, showing how shallow and inconsistent the naturalistic view is in comparison to the trascendental views promoted by WLC and JBP.

As far as intelligent design, it seems to me if a person could refer to themselves or another as intelligent, then of course the extended Universe and it's causes are intelligent, but then I am the second dumbest guy I know. Inasmuch as I think Krauss is a nerdy little weasel, I do agree with him that if the Christian God created everything he is a poor designer and one need not look any further than Krauss himself...at least he didn't wear his silly boots or silly hats for this one.

Damn Krauss is an asshole.

Imagine being an atheist and thinking you’re intellectually superior based on your denial of the belief in God.

We breath oxygen, that doesn't scream inteligent design, it's pretty dumb actually.

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Bravo, Prof. Krauss! It's amazing to me that your truths are not understood. Amazing!