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@theoglossa
@theoglossa 5 күн бұрын
Ευγε! καλον εργον!
@theoglossa
@theoglossa 5 күн бұрын
ευχαριστω!
@costasyiannourakos6963
@costasyiannourakos6963 8 күн бұрын
She sounds like speaking some Scandinavian language. Χοίρος Koiros?? You must be joking!!
@toshirok4481
@toshirok4481 12 күн бұрын
Ι will show it to my class in Greece next year. To Greek high school students. It's a fantastic work, although there are differences in pronounciation.
@toshirok4481
@toshirok4481 12 күн бұрын
Πολύ ωραία!
@Joudith7
@Joudith7 16 күн бұрын
Wonderful idea! It makes language learning and memorising and pronounciation learning much easier!
@1sheix
@1sheix 20 күн бұрын
please record fully recitations of greek classics
@Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze
@Pepijn_a.k.a._Akikaze 22 күн бұрын
I have been looking for a comfirmation like this since I was 13. So I was no fool when I tried to pronounce ancient Greek with pitch accent at school. My teacher said it was undoable. As a Dutchman, I could pronounce the ypsilon and almost all the dyphtongs already. Our equivalent of /eu/, written as /ui/, is rare. Later studying Czech helped me to pronounce early /ou/. I learnt the aspirates from initial English and German voiceless stops and the accents from Chinese. Maybe the circumflex was rising and falling after all. If so, its writing follows its pitch contour. English speakers make the sound when intonating, for example, the interjection 'wow' that way, and Dutch speakers make the sound when saying 'ja' to express joy. However, the Mandarin Chinese equivalent is easier for me to pronounce.
@cattubuttas4749
@cattubuttas4749 27 күн бұрын
I keep writing the answer to somebody and double check if it has been posted. I get acknowledged that the answer has been posted and I can read it but it is still getting deleted all the times. There are no offesnsive words in my answer what's the problem with it ? I just mention a good languages publisher and that s it....WHAT'S WRONG with it ???
@user-se7nj4sl4x
@user-se7nj4sl4x 28 күн бұрын
This is exactly the type of well researched and clearly presented videos about ancient languages that we've been missing! Great work!
@cattubuttas4749
@cattubuttas4749 28 күн бұрын
Did you ever get ideas about real languages with real pitch accent in action pronounced by native speakers ? 1) Finnish 2) Japanese 3) Classical Arabic I include also Sanskrit because some speakers can show this caracteristic very clearly into the traditional recitation.
@Thunderfistboxing
@Thunderfistboxing 29 күн бұрын
Ευτυχώς που οι αλλοδαποί τιμούν αυτά που δεν τιμούμε εμείς! Άριστον!
@HashimWarren
@HashimWarren Ай бұрын
Thanks for this comparison and explanation
@whitemakesright2177
@whitemakesright2177 Ай бұрын
Excellent video! Great explanations.
@BibleSavoir
@BibleSavoir Ай бұрын
Hello, thanks a lot... Is it possible to dub also each lesson in Koine ?
@joseantoniobenlopez3240
@joseantoniobenlopez3240 Ай бұрын
Enhorabuena por el vídeo.
@Yamikaiba123
@Yamikaiba123 Ай бұрын
This is exciting! I'm a specialist of pitch-accent in Biblical Hebrew.
@kevinjones2145
@kevinjones2145 Ай бұрын
Very helpful!
@scripturial
@scripturial 2 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie, I find the tones in Mandarin difficult enough, let alone the pitches in Classical Greek. I love the idea of trying to reconstruct the pitches, but probably because of my modern cultural background, I find the pitches a little un-natural feeling. I am not saying it is unnatural, I am saying it 'feels' unnatural to me. For people who have learnt to speak this way, did it feel unnatural at the start? How long did it take to get used to it? On the topic of Buth's system, I do suspect some lengthened vowels are needed to work practically with his system, for example, in real life, consider a need to distinguish between the -ομεν and -ωμεν subjunctive endings. I don't think Buth ever discusses this specific practical issue in any of his works, but it seems to be a natural conclusion to me that a practical first century reconstruction would have retained some elements of vowel/syllable lengthening during the transitional period.
@Anarchers
@Anarchers 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the very sensible decision to omit smooth breathing marks - I will certainly do the same. It is almost impossible to distinguish rough from smooth.
@jep6752
@jep6752 2 ай бұрын
I would love more of these dubs ❤ I like her videos but prefer your pronunciation 😊
@thepoetrybyheart
@thepoetrybyheart 2 ай бұрын
Sorry for not so appropriate a question under this video, but I really would like to know your opinion on the idea of learning (acquiring) Modern Greek first and proceeding to the Ancient Greek already as a Greek speaking person. Your opinion would mean a lot for me. Thanks a lot for your compelling content.
@cedricfieldmouse2860
@cedricfieldmouse2860 2 ай бұрын
This video may help "Can Present Day Greeks Understand the Greek of the New Testament?" @learnbiblicalgreek373
@dumupad3-da241
@dumupad3-da241 2 ай бұрын
Sorry to sound abrasive, but IMO, it would be unnatural if Angela cared very much about the actual historical truth about how Ancient Greek sounded at any point. After all, the mission of her videos is to help spread Christianity, and that presupposes not caring about countless other historical facts, too. If she can ignore, say, the fact that the history of the world didn't start in the way described in Genesis, of course she can ignore some tiny details about the history of Greek phonetics.
@dumupad3-da241
@dumupad3-da241 2 ай бұрын
I haven't watched the whole video yet, but the melody sounds plausible. Off topic: I think your accent sounds mostly Australian, but I notice that you occasionally pronounce your Rs in the end of at least some words (are, or, there) in the absence of a following vowel, where I wouldn't expect an Australian to do so, whereas an American would. And your Os are occasionally a bit more American-like, too (closer to an Australian 'aw', e.g. in 'low'). I was wondering if you are an Australian immigrant to the United States, or if there is some tendency among young Australians in general to switch to a more American-like accent?
@koboldgeorge2140
@koboldgeorge2140 3 ай бұрын
I'm going to learn this and record a cover 😊 thanks for sharing
@j.2047
@j.2047 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this!
@josefk332
@josefk332 3 ай бұрын
How does a word like γένηται fit into the high/low/neutral pattern where you describe there being only up to one neutral mora? Isn’t αι long and therefore doesn’t this word contain two neutral morae within the αι ending?
@Urdatorn
@Urdatorn Ай бұрын
It’s because some of the ”diphthongs” were actually /aj/ instead of /ai/ 😊
@thomasng1816
@thomasng1816 3 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for the superb explanation. It is so inspiring ! So as you have said it takes 2 morae (instead of just 1) in a syllable in order to make pitch accents possible.
@g.v.6450
@g.v.6450 3 ай бұрын
I spent way too much time on chasing “the perfect Koine Greek accent” after starting out with Erasmian pronunciation using pitch accent and phonemic vowel length. After several months and much frustration I found that Lucian pronunciation is so close to well pronounced Erasmian (using fricative δ and γ) that the difference is hardly detectable. After throwing my poor Greek book into a wall, I walked away from studying it for a while. I started up again with “refined Erasmian” (which, like Angela’s sounds just fine.)I found a video of The Lord’s Prayer in Modern Greek. If you can duplicate the “quality of sound” of that pronunciation, then Erasmian and Lucian both sound Greek with a slight accent. The only significant difference is the diphthong “ει” (which comes out sounding like “ε” in a fluent reading. (You need a sharp ear to catch it.) I’ve had some arguments with “Erasmian” speakers who seem to use it as an excuse to mutilate Greek. (I tell them that I’m using Lucian). It’s not worth frustration and a smashed book to find the “perfect” pronunciation. One other thing that I noticed is that Italian and Spanish speakers generally have the best Erasmian pronunciation. English speakers are the worst. (With some being extremely cringe! 😮)
@kevinjones2145
@kevinjones2145 3 ай бұрын
What a great story!
@gonzaloarmijos
@gonzaloarmijos 3 ай бұрын
I'm a philosophy professor, 69 years old, and teach Attic Greek. This is the best video about Attic Greek pronunciation I encountered on KZfaq. Absolutely superb and the most accurate approach to Attic pronunciation.
@CulusMagnus
@CulusMagnus 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for adding your opinion!
@nomcognom2414
@nomcognom2414 Ай бұрын
I am only starting to learn Ancient Greek, restored Attic. I am quite specific about Attic and keen with best language pronunciation as possible. To you, Ancient Greek professionals, I'd like to submit an idea. A major hurdle in proper language pronunciation acquisition is insufficient access to native speech. This has always been an issue with dead languages (though I like to think that Greek isn't really dead, nor even Latin, to the extent that various linguistic continuities can be found). So here goes my proposal... Why not take advantage of AI and LLMs, all developments, since some years ago already, to have a software learn and produce a natural sounding Attic Greek, etc. (any language of interest). Such a software could be refined several times, until reaching a version where most experts will agree they are absolutely or near absolutely happy with. Such a product could then be used by restored Attic Greek learners all over the world, listening to endless hours of ancient literature, thereby being able to acquire, if so they wish, a natural sounding Attic Greek. We could partially ressucitate the language and experience the joy of speaking it with near-native ease and pronunciation. At least for those who care this much about pronunciation. Another application would be making use of recorded native voices, from the purest speakers of each language today at risk of extinction or accelerated degradation (of which there are thousands), so we can teach AI how to speak it, for the benefit of concerned populations. Such a tool could be used to stop and even reverse language degradation and loss in a multitude of places around the world, Europe included. As a native Catalan speaker, I feel despair at how my language is fast becoming a radically impoverished and transvestite language, where not only words and expressions are lost by the thousands, every decade, but even the phonetics and syntax etc. are quickly being corrupted. Soon, the Spanish political framework and demographics, combined, will make this evolution unstoppable and irreversible. The only way we could prevent such catastrophic change would be some political miracle and/or a technological one, with AI.
@cattubuttas4749
@cattubuttas4749 28 күн бұрын
Did you ever get ideas about real languages with real pitch accent in action pronounced by native speakers ? 1) Finnish 2) Japanese 3) Classical Arabic I include also Sanskrit because some speakers can show this caracteristic very clearly into the traditional recitation.
@nomcognom2414
@nomcognom2414 28 күн бұрын
@@cattubuttas4749 , whatever the phonetics of a language, if it is alive, native speaker recordings can be used to train AI systems. Whether it is tonal, has pitch accent, clicks, or whatever. Sanskrit is alive, but I have no idea how today's real life phonetics are regarded in terms of a standard language. Around 15,000 people in India claim to speak it as their native first language, but how are their pronunciation and other language features regarded? They might be regarded as dialectal or modern, relative to some classical standard. Many more people learn Sanskrit as a second language. But again, how is their pronunciation (or prosody in general) regarded? No idea. Language experts should have a debate, in each case (for each language), about what standard(s) of language it is desirable for an AI system to learn/develop. Both classical and modern standards seem desirable for some languages. Even dialectical standards. Why not go for everything while we can? Everything is valuable. I have just started learning Sanskrit, by the way, together with Ancient Greek. I am still learning the alphabet. 😅
@cattubuttas4749
@cattubuttas4749 28 күн бұрын
@@nomcognom2414 for the "live" languages there is no problem in finding recordings but for Sanskrit I use ASSIMIL recordings which are great for getting an idea. They have free samples of chapter 1, chapter 50 and chapter 100 of the book. Assimil courses recordings for Latin and Ancient Greek are less valuable in particular the Latin ones are very bad, Greek ones barely acceptable.
@HCRAYERT.
@HCRAYERT. 4 ай бұрын
You're a Christian?
@cesarcastaneda3675
@cesarcastaneda3675 4 ай бұрын
Adhuc non intellego quomodo "ε" et "η" inter se differunt. "ε"ne tantum est "e" brevis? "η"ne tantum est "e" longa?
@iberius9937
@iberius9937 4 ай бұрын
5:18 ούκ ορθῶς φαίνεται ἐμοὺ. I usually see that the final ν before consonants is omitted, so it should technically be ἐστὶ τὸ μέλι. Hopefully I myself didn't write that bit in Greek incorrectly! 😆
@iberius9937
@iberius9937 4 ай бұрын
κάλλιστα ἐποίησας!
@kevinjones2145
@kevinjones2145 5 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas 2023, Carla!
@DigitalDebris
@DigitalDebris 5 ай бұрын
Thanks! Will try to use this system for old church slavonic 😊
@dexterplameras3249
@dexterplameras3249 5 ай бұрын
Greetings. I'm learning Koine Greek purely to read the Bible in its original language, by teaching myself, using Prof Dave Black's "Learn to Read New Testament Greek" and his free KZfaq Series covering all the chapters. The reason people reading the Bible learn the Erasmian pronunciation is that the majority of Seminaries rightly or wrongly teach the Erasmian pronunciation. So to be understood by anyone who has been learnt Koine Greek to read the Bible will almost be exclusively Erasmian. If I get the opportunity, I might practice the reconstructed Koine Greek pronunciation, but it's difficult enough already to learn the basic vocabulary, when everyone teaching to read the Bible is using Erasmian. Having to learn a different pronunciation when all the videos are in the Erasmian pronunciation is really making it harder for oneself.
@Joudith7
@Joudith7 5 ай бұрын
Looking forward so much to Chapter 5! Please, do it! 🙏
@kevinjones2145
@kevinjones2145 6 ай бұрын
I was watching one of your videos today and you were talking about meaningful input. This story is so very meaningful and motivating and inspiring. I have watched it many times and can now understand most of it without any subtitles. (I am currently working through Athenaze)
@kostaspataridis
@kostaspataridis 6 ай бұрын
Interesting.. but I would suggest you if you want to pronounce correctly Greek ( ancient or new ) study classic literature in in Greece.. and forget Erasmus .. he was not a Greek.
@pustelnikniqczemnosci856
@pustelnikniqczemnosci856 6 ай бұрын
The quality of these videos is astonishing. I'm waiting for more tutorials on Lucian Koine. I enjoy it so much ❤❤
@amirhabibi3543
@amirhabibi3543 6 ай бұрын
Why not continuing this beautiful series. Although I know a little Greek but the elegance of the sound in these words really attracts me from inside. I don't know what would be out there to give you the motivation for completing a most heart soothing new testament recitation. Anyway I wish you good whatever you do and wherever you are.
@christopherskipp1525
@christopherskipp1525 6 ай бұрын
I am staying with Erasmian (for the most part), still, thank you for posting. Very interesting for sure.
@Hadoken.
@Hadoken. 6 ай бұрын
The word αάατος as others really breaks the rules that are based on weird accents of letters and the idea of diphthongs being pronounced as proposed. One has to make a mess out of many things in the language to accommodate ideas such as Ita or Ipsilon being a long E and OU sounds, especially when the names of the letters say it in their name, its EE that has some characteristic they call TA, whereas the other one is called EE psilon, high pitch EE, but they’re talking us it’s OU because Germans and English pronounce the letter that way.
@kevinjones2145
@kevinjones2145 7 ай бұрын
I have listened to this nany times. Thank you for producing it.
@kevinjones2145
@kevinjones2145 7 ай бұрын
Great video!!!!
@kevinjones2145
@kevinjones2145 7 ай бұрын
Very helpful!!!
@sethtsek9307
@sethtsek9307 7 ай бұрын
Why to call them Difthongs if you pronounce them like if they weren't... letter Ita pronounced like Epsilon and letter Ipsilon like you? The name of the letter itself shows you what sound makes...and you are soooo lost in the translation...bye.
@death2abrahamism
@death2abrahamism 7 ай бұрын
I don't know about any of you, but modern Greek still retains the pitch accent to my ears. Example from the video being, (from 9:00-10:00) Μακάριοι οι πτωχοί τώ πνεύματι Mak'ari `i-i ptoh'i-i t`o-o pne'vmati Stress accent on the "a" -ri flows into long "i-i" (pronounced "ee"); the "i" from ptohi flows into "to" from high to low and holds on the "o"; then the "eu/ev" is slightly longer from transitioning from the epsilon to the V-sound the ypsilon makes in this position. Makάrὶ ῖ ptohί-tῶ pnέvmatὶ Yeah, I've heard whole sections swallowed up in rapid-fire dialogue, but for those that don't run their mouths on high octane you can hear a flow in the language. Like that of going up and down a mountain trail. Maybe it's a regional difference like hearing someone that comes from Kalamata speak versus someone from Thesaly or Pontus. Still, even with that flow, they can talk fast, like Speedy Gonzales fast, and good luck even those well versed in the language, native or taught, to understand everything they say. "makari i ptohi to pnevmati" (I swear that's a rich man's guide book to world domination, for if one is to be "blessed" for his "poor spirit," then does that mean his cunning wiles earns him more fortune above the charitable and downtrodden? Jesus said it does when his story promoted the servants that invested his money vs the one that saved it for safe keeping; he got punished for that. Funny lessons in that thing.) (look up Charles Giuliani truthhertzradio and christendumb)
@myt-mat-mil-mit-met-com-trol
@myt-mat-mil-mit-met-com-trol 6 ай бұрын
Modern Greek normally do not distinct length of the vowels, but as a native speaker if I observe it while I read, most likely pitch rules fall into place.
@whitemakesright2177
@whitemakesright2177 Ай бұрын
Yes, I think Modern Greek has retained a kind of vestigial pitch accent even if it isn't necessarily done consciously. Certainly it has a very flowing, sing-song quality to it.