I own the book and found your review on point. I am a fan of sumo in general - perhaps from seeing it on Wide World of Sports back in the 1970s. Yes I am old. Quick story that sort of relates. A friend of mine, who never studied any martial arts, was 'asked' by a roving wino in a parking lot for a donation to his cause. He told him no and to leave. This did not go over well and things got physical. My friend was a football player in high school used his blocking techniques to (in his words) bounce the guy off a parked truck a few times until he decided to look for other patrons to further his liver destruction. I bring this up for two reasons. First, those pushing techniques he used to defend himself are those that are presented in the book and are used in almost every sumo match. And second; he was able to defend himself in a lawful way. Most of what I see, if used on the street, will get you arrested along with the person you are defending yourself from. You are only allowed to use as much force to get the person to stop and leave. I know what everyone is thinking but in today's world you have to be real careful about this. Long ago I was employed to help drunk persons who were not playing well with others to leave the venue. Most of the time they took offense at my suggestion to leave. I got a stern talking to once from a state trooper of what I can and cannot do on the job. Some thoughts from the real world.

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Great video. I would add vascular targeting wouldn't be highest priority for civilian self defense. The closest targets to you are the hands and face and the knife whips around faster than people throw punches. A severe slash to the face or hands generally change their plans for the day, especially if the defender is still whipping that knife around. Military on the other hand is more obsessed with lethality, not the same paradigm as self defense.

A possible reason for the matchbox attack was that it used a heavier kind of matchbox than used today. Metal matchboxes also existed. Squeezing an object in your hand, even a rolled up tissue, allows for a tighter fist than just squeezing on nothing. There would have also been an element of the instructors, no matter how famous, having a flawed understanding of combat. Wishful thinking was and is rife in the community so you'd have instructions to snap a collarbone or forearm with the edge of hand blow, which is not very likely if you've seen the punishment a human body can take in full contact fighting. Edge of hands to the head, neck or kidneys will do something similarly to a hammerfist, but some instructors just had edge hand mania back then. And you have to account for the instructors' differences. Col. Applegate was adamant that you use a forward saber grip and a double edged knife, but others swore by the reverse grip. Fairbairn originally taught a police-oriented system to the military, but E.A. Sykes lambasted it if we assume it's him writing in the SOE syllabus notes. And what do we see around 1944 from Fairbairn? He tightens up his program to a handful of versatile tools, completely stripped of controversial situation-specific tricks - except for pure demonstration - showing a pressure point but stating that it's not for use in a fight, it just demonstrates the principle. He may be famous after WWII for All-In Fighting or Get Tough but by the end of the war, he was doing something different, much more about initiative and sheer brutality than a grab bag of techniques that look like some system of jujutsu. So when you read the books you have to consider that his expectations may have sometimes clashed with reality in the field, and he probably found out and adapted. However those odd jujutsu moves also served as a confidence builder by building faith in Fairbairn as an instructor. Combine tricks like his handshake (arm spin and put the knife to the guy) with that British gentleman way of speaking "yet by the pressure of one finger in the right spot, he is rendered powerless" - "and Jerry sails through space once more". He created an aura of power. Soldiers felt that they could fight because they learned from Delicate Dan, and Dan was a dangerous guy

Good content. Somewhat muffled sound. I think it would be more accessible in written form as subject matter forces pausing for a search, re-listening etc.

This is a fantastic book

Very interesting.

Ok. So I need to get this one

Very educational, thanks!

The picture in the last page or before the last page where Mr. Leff put on a face lock is my former Jujutsu teacher from years back here in SoCal. I still have a copy of his book and I thought it's alright, but I see better Jujutsu books, especially from the old school era from the early 1900's. Thank you for making this video.

Hi Joe...... Have you seen the film "Sisu" yet?

In Bare knuckle boxing the "chopper" was indeed a back fist strike NOT a hammer fist. The chopper was executed high up and brought straight down into the opponent face or nose area....... Old school pugilism........

Another good review, thank you for posting. I owned two of Eric Dominy books from the "teach yourself" series in Judo and karate. Incidentally my father completed some training with Eric Dominy at the LJS...... Best regards, Stefano.

In a Tai Chi class I've taken for 22 years, several students feel that Chi is an Energy that you can feel while in proper posture, as for myself, after having stood in any Qi Gong stance for 40 minutes or more I get a feeling in my hands that is sort of like holding a small magnet in each hand, I can feel the force between my palms at about 5 inches or closer. My Guide does not think that this is Chi, but perhaps something that leads to it. From my practice thus far I feel like it is something that everyone has and an be felt when the body is open and sensitive, but I have not yet experienced it in the way where it could give you energy or fill you up, as other Practitioners have described to me.

So once again Hollywood could have killed another actor

You find a great deal of the same takedowns in Korean Ssireum (very not sure I spelled that correctly) and Mongolian and Chinese wrestling. While I'm sure there is some kind of combination of limited amount of ways to throw the human body and cultural interaction at the root, I don't think there's any good credibility to argue sumo as the beginning of jiu-jitsu in the specific. And I think that Machida's timing and distance management was certainly more vital to his defense than sumo. All that said, he hit some beautiful fucking trips out of nowhere, that were definitely from that background and we're such a lovely, sneaky edition do as usual striking based fight set.

great video, great book. quick thing for 3:33 - falling techniques are called "ukemi". "uchikomi" is another judo term that refers to a type of repetitive positioning drill.

There IS another interesting book of Leung ting : the shaolin ten animals form by máster Kwan Tak Hing ( the famous classic Wong Fei Hung in chinese movies). The form un the book IS clearer than the five pattern one, but watching somebody perfoming in vídeo would be nice.

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Dude I just picked up a copy of Benny Urquidez’s book from a second hand bookstore last week. Pretty Neat.

Cool review! Never considered sumo for MMA

BTW, Sir. You do and have, Excellent Presentation. I was a young teen In the Olde Bobby Gleason Gym. I believe was, 36th.(?)St. in Manhattan. Around 1980. Well, I Recall a Sparring partner Gerry Cooney had, known as “the African Stallion”! Total respect from all fighters & All who entered that Gym! And likely, Anywhere he Anywhere he Ever went! But, so many years later, I don’t know who the man they called “African Stallion was? I’ve considered was maybe,, James J Woody, who also Could Sparr with and more than “hold his own with virtually Any Heavyweight! Champions & otherwise…. But the Stallion didn’t really have Jim’ Woodys, sense of humor! At all! The “Stallion was serious person. More, thoughtful & precise when he spoke! Always outwardly showed, total Cool & Callm. Probably, in any situation? I met a deatherweight contender named Mike Ayala there. And also, a contender named Wilford Scypion. Though, I Didn’t get to meet him, Hector Camacho, was there. He Almost, at the very start of his Stardom. Charisma with Blinding hand speed, footwork etc. & Now, We all know to be , among the most ruggedly tough! And an absolutely Great! “Cast Iron” chins in the sports History! He had a Great career! & God Bless Hector Camacho! Great fighter!! I turned 14 in that Gym… Lifelong impressions. One thing I do recall the “African Stallion” would say to us, more than once, was of that word, we all call, “Fear! he said, “There is No such Animal!”…✌

I’ve Always tried to Understand why Dempsey is generally in the Mix Among the Top 5 Hvywts of All time. His Style Didn’t seem to be that, of a Thinking Fighter? As a former ABF Amateur, How Old was Dempsey When he Clearly seemed to Understand the Science of the Sport. Just like Joe Louis or Ali. They Where undoubtedly the 2 Best Heavyweights to date. And the Best comparisons are So Subjective. I’m 57, & Wish I’d Read this bit of Knowledge from Dempsey. Like, I often Wonder how I trained to Box 8 years & Learned exactly , What was “The Shift” aka “Solar plexus Punch”! Evidently Spectacularly! against Gentleman Jim Corbett…the footage is grainy? Was next day’s National Headlines. A Great punch with Practice and more….✌

Love your breakdowns brother! Do you think sumo would be good for the streets? I'm not huge on sumo but I don't dislike it either.Jc Thanks.

Interesting. But I think Mendoza was describing a hammer fist, not a back fist. And is probably the rabbit punch that was made illegal in modern boxing. I also thought it was interesting that the kidneys were targeted, but not the liver. I would have thought the liver would be easier to expose for a shovel punch when grappling type moves were allowed by lifting the opponents right arm. Although - maybe that’s what they meant by targeting the short ribs, and just called the liver a kidney incorrectly.

If you are interested in seeing what Kuntao can do, type Chris Derbaum into your search engine. He has trained under 3 of Willem Reeders first generation students. Chris is a retired prison guard, and had to use his knowledge to defeat aggressive atrackers. He is based out of Ft Myers FL. He holds seminars all over the world. He had taken a more progressive route in his Kuntao than anyone else, and is highly effective. He is the best representative of the system as a 2nd generation student with multiple proficient students under his teachings. He is slightly less traditional than 1st generation's students were taught, as he doesn't practice forms. Chris Derbaum is currently the closest to the modern Willem Reeders, other than his two teachers in northwestern Pennsylvania, grandmaster Scott Young and grandmaster Robert Servideo. If you are serious about Kuntao training, I would contact Chris, especially if you live in the Deep South United States. If you live in Pennsylvania, I would be more than happy to get together for training.

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The following is not to be taken as me finding fault with Joe making this video. I think we pick and choose in some very weird ways what gets fetishized about "Martial cultures." Each specific fixation saying more about us than it does the culture in question. There's a tactical fascination, for me, with Japanese arts and they're structured, because there's a wealth of very specific breakdowns. The study of throwing, swimming in armor, very specific kinds of weapon manipulation and marksmanship. Sociologically, there's also the fact that unlike many other cultures the West encountered, Japan was not successfully colonized and so had a very different and maintained a very different self-perception. I think in the West, we tend to specifically focus on aspects of other cultures that play into our time-based assumptions about them. Prior to world war II, Japan was thought of as quite different than it is today, and then during world war II there was a specific and fairly significant change. Then again in the '80s, there was a reinvigorated fear of Japan that focused on business but still kept echoes of "the Samurai mindset" while ninja movies were a huge part of the popular culture. I think we would have the opposite of fascination with seppuku if we focused on its presence as ritual where a elite would be capable of indirectly but irresistibly demanding the brutal disemboweling of someone by their own hand in public, to enforce The existing hierarchy. TLDR: we decide things are cool or interesting, without really understanding them in their context, because we want to fulfill thoughts of what is cool or interesting in our own heads. I love the overlap of subjects like this and I appreciate Joe making the space and taking the time to talk about them. 👍🏽

Mr.Dempsey knocked out 3 muggers out side madison square garden in 1971 at the Ali vs Frazier fight!😴😴😴

Mr.Dempsey had a cool bar in manhattan and i knew lots of old timers who met him at the bar and said he was a fine gentlemen.

I have to disagree regarding the sit ups and neck exercises..Those neck movements you dismissed were always done to stimulate the twitch muscles, head the balls were what I have done in the boxing gyms, you just jump up and head a pretend football, both of these movements really strengthen the neck, plus head rolls front and rear. And the lower back issue when performing a sit up is a modern day invention, if you do the sit up correctly you will never get a lower back issue, if you do get a pain whilst performing them then you had a lower back problem before you ever started, I have been doing them for years and have never had lower back pain. The best way is to perform with a correct tempo and form. Go on you tube and look up a royal marine commando sit up test, it’s the best way to perform the exercise and all the old boxing gyms would of performed them that way. All the best. 👍

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I bought the book after watching this, its nice for reference material, the club I go to do not train most of the kata, its pretty much all combative training so reading the root of the techniques is good.

Dempsey was a legit elite fighter. He was a champion boxer(obviously), a catch wrestler and knew judo.

❤😂🎉😢😮😅😊..didn't Jack Dempsey devise a fighting style adopted by The United States Army ? He wrote a book himself I think . I learned to fight mainly from a book. I don't see the style I learned very often on KZfaq .

I would like to see your take on S.A.W or Submission Arts Wrestling

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My take from this was to try it all. I learned something from this video. I was watching Maro Lala stuff tonight way off from the Hatmaker Catch I am used too. Lala has books you could review.

Against Willard his manager claimed he used plasterer parries on his wraps.Willard got up several times so wasn't knocked out but succumbed to broken ribs a jawbone making it impossible to continue.Good probability Dempsey cheated to win the title Willard was abrave fighter but never fought again after the injuries he sustained in that fight.

I remember many years ago reading article in inside kung fu that said splashing hands was taught by Lefiti .. theres a PDF here taoistinstitute.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/legacy_of_haumea_lefiti.pdf that covers lefiti background. Its bee said Splashing hands is Mok Gar kung fu but those who know Mok Gar seem to argue this point. McNeil has a tape series on splashing hands.

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In the diagrams, Dempsy is making striking fist contact with the smallest knuckle!!! It's interesting that Bruce Lee was also an advocate of punching with the bottom three knuckles as the surface area striking contact of the punching fist!!! Now, in conventional boxing, don't most boxers strike with the top larger two knuckles?

The two arts actually blend pretty well together. I have trained in both. I've trained under Willem Reeders student in northwestern Pennsylvania. The system is a hybrid of Chinese biomechanical hands strikes and Indonesian Silat footwork patterns. It's a close quarter combat system in a range so close to your opponent that you should be able to smell if he used mouthwash. Rapid fire hand strikes with significant power while using footwork to either evade or put you into the proper position advantageously. Hallmark of the system is a huge volume of attacks often at surprising angles overwhelming your opponent. Limited low kicks. Silat style takedowns. Either a knockout or rough takedown ends the fight. Footwork also is great for multiple attackers. Weapons include a thick staff, sais, and knives. It's very brutal. The closest martial arts to Kuntao that are more well known are Bak Mei Pai Kung Fu, Southern Praying Mantis, Fujian White Crane, Wing Chun ,and Okinawan karate like Uechi Ryu, and Indonesian Silat of Serak. Often the art is overkill against most people... But be aware if you go up against an expert in Western Boxing while using Kuntao, as it's not going to be an easy fight. Of course it's easier to find Judo information. Judo gives you the ability to either takedown via foot sweeps, hip throws, shoulder throws, and ground grappling. Throws can range from lethal to gentle in dealing with an attacker. Excellent for security or bouncing. The close range tactics of Liu Seong Kuntao striking puts you immediately into clinch range of the grappler. So if you are unable to dismantle your attacker immediately and you are grabbed, Judo will often provide the finishing off your attacker after your Kuntao strikes soften your attacker up finishing the fight either with lethal force or just to softly land a drunk Uncle Bob on the ground at a family picnic. So you have the grappling with Judo, and close range striking of Kuntao.. the only range to complete a well rounded fighter is the addition of a long range kicking based martial art like Muay Thai, Korean martial arts like taekwondo, French Savate, or Northern Chinese Long Fist Kung Fu systems.

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I initially voted for judo, but that guy has a sai…

Good review of what sounds like very outdated information. I can maybe bring some light to the "milkshake" nutritional advice bit. We got the same information when I was boxing as a kid and it "kind of makes sense", kind of, and it was (real) doctor approved at the time. A pint of milk, a raw egg, a banana, a spoonful of sugar was the recipe for us. Most kids in Marciano's day (and mine) were underweight and needed to "eat up" to the minimum caloric intake per day for full growth potential, hence the milkshake; protein, vitamins, minerals and sugar (both for energy and to ensure that you would feel hungry again before your next meal). Drank in the morning directly after breakfast to get the full effect of the sugar hit. Some kids, that didn't drink milk, were given a sickly sweet syrup free (state sponsored) by the doctor to achieve a similar result sugar high-sugar low effect and therefore stimulate their appetites. I don't know if the science is pure quackery or not (I suspect so and know today it boarders on insanity) but all the kids that were in the boxing club with me all developed larger, leaner bodies and kept the muscle tone much longer than those that didn't praticipate.

Well the Kunato has me curious so will go with htat one.