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@marceopereira 9 күн бұрын
You gonna love Bruno schell from Brazil
@Collingwoodcymbals 9 күн бұрын
Yeah I know Bruno, does awesome work!
@mikegarwood8680 15 күн бұрын
You've ennobled those rifle cartridges more than they should ever deserve. I'm unsure if you know, however, the heating process is called "annealing". This will allow the stresses built up in the hammering process (work hardening) to release a bit and allow the metal to recrystallize and realign, making the metal less brittle (hard vs. tough).
@CatabductionsAnoym Ай бұрын
What about using some cotter keys? They arent as flat on one end, but can bemd the same way. These rivets look brass colored.
@Collingwoodcymbals Ай бұрын
These are brass plated steel. Cotter keys would be worth trying, not sure the shape of them would provide enough sizzle, but maybe with some manipulation! Split pins (stationery supplies) can work well too, and are very easy (& cheap) to add and remove.
@jonashellborg8320 Ай бұрын
sounds amazing, love your hi hats, these 13s were very nice
@Collingwoodcymbals Ай бұрын
Many thanks!
@inventorsyndrome8894 Ай бұрын
And here I was stuck thinking that stacks were made by bending the cymbals into shape ... This really was a "whhhhaaattt" moment for me, really had no idea they were lathed!! Would you please go into more detail into the procedure for the same? hopefully in another video
@Collingwoodcymbals Ай бұрын
Generally they're not lathed, mostly hammered on one side so the metal buckles into the desired shape. I came up with this idea after thinking a lot about how hammering and lathing can be used in similar ways to influence shape / strength and, as far as I'm aware, nobody else at the time was making stacks this way. I know a few do now as I've taught this method through my Patreon! Maybe some companies do use bending / rolling, I couldn't say for sure. Another video digging deeper into how and why this works is a great idea!
@inventorsyndrome8894 Ай бұрын
@@Collingwoodcymbals Ohhh okayy, I'll join your patreon then too! Would absolutely love to lean more
@RichmondDrumLessonsBC Ай бұрын
Nothing bad with cheap cymbals for beginners
@HBaygun11 Ай бұрын
still terrible
@Obscurity202 2 ай бұрын
Where the link you were putting in description?
@Collingwoodcymbals 2 ай бұрын
Oh sorry, I must have forgotten, what was it in reference to?
@MattMurphyMusicTeacher 2 ай бұрын
Ffs stop using AI man, it’s gross and unethical.
@Collingwoodcymbals 2 ай бұрын
Haha seriously!? I'd argue that adopting a stance regardless of content and context is where things become meaningless and problematic, coming at something with like 100 views which is clearly fucking with the format is not where the battle lies. You think I don't agree that there are major issues with the use of AI? That's a wide, sweeping assumption but it looks and feels great as a viewpoint, right!? You're a true hero. Or maybe you were joking.
@RaymondSolo 3 ай бұрын
Still has that "Trashy" (throat) sound when there open but for sure better than the original!
@martonkardos8094 3 ай бұрын
I've always loved brass hi-hats. I mean some of them suck, cause they're obviously not well made, but some of them sound surprisingly good, way better than cheap B8 hats. They are more controlled and lower pitched, which I personally tend to like
@nickbaigent2714 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video and all the tutorials, inspiring for me. With regard to flattening cymbal deformation, how risky would it be to flatten the bell hole which has started to poke upwards at the inside edges?
@Collingwoodcymbals 3 ай бұрын
Thanks! Plenty more videos to come. As for your question - it depends! Can be better to leave it alone, but if you want to send me a picture I'll take a look and we can discuss it. You can contact me through my website - www.collingwoodcymbals.com
@danielfc 3 ай бұрын
I almost sent a couple old B8 cymbals to Bruno Schell to make his fire magic on them, but then decided to try and sell them as they are. One of them is a Zildjian ZBT Plus, so I figured it would lose value if he messed around with it. But yeah, he really burns them up and they come out with a great sound.
@lordtriac1208 3 ай бұрын
This kind of cymbal used to be called a pang cymbal in the 90's
@tA_aT287 4 ай бұрын
Don't go willy wanko 😂😂😂
@NintenDub 4 ай бұрын
At least we got to hear it....once
@Collingwoodcymbals 4 ай бұрын
...on a 23 second sped up teaser video
@RyoCanCan 4 ай бұрын
Really cool! They sound real nice in the end, shows really that it's not always a material issue.
@Jesus_loves_you2004 4 ай бұрын
Budget holy china?? Sounds sick dude. 💯🔥
@CatabductionsAnoym 5 ай бұрын
If you had brass cymbals long enough, you might hate them! Some metals are just limited. Thick, really thick brass rides, i can deal with.
@chromebull884 4 ай бұрын
I have found if they get a good amount of patina on them they can sound interesting
@offshoretomorrow3346 4 ай бұрын
Yes! One of my learner rides was heavy brass - I swear it sounded nice with a sizzle chain.
@user-ih5qo6yo1r Ай бұрын
My ride is a thick brass old meinl meteor, better than the newer meteor cymbals. i mostly play metal so it works well for me, good stick definition, short sustain especially since i have 2 moongels on the underside of it, and a nice sounding bell in my opinion. Totally useless crashability on it, but i have a 18 inch aax explosion crash which i use as a left side jazz ride, i might try putting a sizzle chain on the aax crash sometime
@federruchi6147 5 ай бұрын
Man, you would laugh if you heard how my 14" orion twiser with multiple cracks (biggest one being about 2 inchs long) sound lol
@CatabductionsAnoym 5 ай бұрын
Lol, the first kit i borrowed to practice, i found a cracked cymbal and hung it with a string,and we proceeded to play Rock of some kind!
@federruchi6147 5 ай бұрын
@@CatabductionsAnoym you know, I used to play my cheap ass brass crashes with a string, kinda like those percussion stands with multiple cymbals in line. Thank God I was able to buy some stands lol
@TravelatorH8r 5 ай бұрын
It sounds like a Wuhan
@CatabductionsAnoym 5 ай бұрын
They dont put much into Wuhans, but my crashes sure are strong, the western series. They are thin and trashy!
@TravelatorH8r 5 ай бұрын
@jjcdrums I like Wuhan. 👍 imean I'll buy a ten pack and get 3 good ones lol quick attack heavy wash yeah baby! Punk rock
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power 5 ай бұрын
They look better, anyway. I have to hear a directly adjacent before and after comparison, because they still sound a bit dull, but I'm sure the sound has improved. Nice work. Did you cobble together your own lathe? I s3e the wooden supports for the bar..... I've looking on Amazon for a cymbal lathe, and nothing turned up....
@Collingwoodcymbals 5 ай бұрын
Yes I built my lathe about 10 years ago. I run a Patreon at www.patreon.com/collingwoodcymbals with lots of insights into everything to do with cymbal making! And just started a Discord server (currently more-or-less empty) to open this all up publicly, you can join with this invite link: discord.com/invite/GT8Jar89rY
@eggysauce 5 ай бұрын
Its the splinash! A splash, china and crash all in one.
@oscarpayne4639 5 ай бұрын
I love this stack. I play it every now and then at a local jam session. But the audio on this video is unbearable
@Collingwoodcymbals 5 ай бұрын
Yes I was in a dumb mood so went for unbearable nightmare vibes.
@lorenwhit 5 ай бұрын
crashes like a crash but rides like a dry ride, that really is the best of both worlds
@Collingwoodcymbals 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment!
@angelagk4884 5 ай бұрын
i hammered a pair of 12' of unmarked cymbals and the just doing that it makes sound better
@stevealexander415 5 ай бұрын
Cool! What sort of HP speed is best for cymbals when buying a lathe?
@Collingwoodcymbals 5 ай бұрын
Just got your email thanks, have replied!
@joeellis5295 5 ай бұрын
Beautiful!
@Collingwoodcymbals 5 ай бұрын
Cheers!
@shadow.chicken 5 ай бұрын
ooh, I really like this one
@shadow.chicken 5 ай бұрын
I just bought it! I can't wait for it to arrive!
@Collingwoodcymbals 5 ай бұрын
Order received, many thanks! I'll keep you posted.@@shadow.chicken
@scrolldier 5 ай бұрын
Mind blown! Sound 100% better!
@brent3760 5 ай бұрын
Why do you call these subtraction hats?
@brent3760 5 ай бұрын
They sound great by the way.
@Collingwoodcymbals 5 ай бұрын
Thanks! I meant to put something in the description about that, I'll update it shortly.. they're cut down from 16"s I made that never quite worked, so where I engrave the weight under the bell I had to update it with an equation to show the new weight!
@brent3760 5 ай бұрын
@@Collingwoodcymbals Ah! Very cool.
@ericvulf-k7z 5 ай бұрын
Wow! Quite a noticeable difference, very cool!!
@Collingwoodcymbals 5 ай бұрын
Thanks! Hoping to show that there's at least a little room for improvement in these things.
@vonIronside 6 ай бұрын
The cleanest ride sound I've heard in many a long day. Possible to make a replica? What would price be?
@Collingwoodcymbals 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! I can certainly make something along the same lines, I tend not to aim for copies or clones as such, but happy to discuss! Feel free to email me - [email protected] - and we can talk further!
@musstikka 6 ай бұрын
How much did this weigh please?
@Collingwoodcymbals 6 ай бұрын
I'm sorry but I have no idea! I'll go back through my orders and see if I can remember!
@Hotshot2414 6 ай бұрын
That's crazy to see the difference in the sound, let alone the look of the cymbals! I feel like at the end of the day, if it sounds good, or fits the sound you're going for, that's what makes an ideal cymbal :) Are you actually selling these by any chance? I'm all for trying new and funky gear and applying them musically.
@Collingwoodcymbals 6 ай бұрын
Yeah I'll be listing these for sale, if you'd like to discuss it further please feel free to email me - [email protected]
@brent3760 6 ай бұрын
Love this one!
@brent3760 6 ай бұрын
Lovely cymbal!
@brent3760 6 ай бұрын
Nice!! Keep doing these episodes Dave! Thisbis great for us cymbal freaks 😁❤️❤️🥁
@Collingwoodcymbals 6 ай бұрын
Certainly planning to keep it coming! There will be MUCH more coming to my KZfaq channel as I open up the channels for learning even more, and a Discord server on the way. Thanks for the comment!
@HenryHobson-uc2bk 6 ай бұрын
what amazes me when you drill out large holes in cymbals (I use starret hole saws) , is how much the bronze thickness varies in the same cymbal, even when you did 6 or 8 holes all exactly the same distance from the centre, the waste discs are rarely all the same thickness
@Collingwoodcymbals 6 ай бұрын
I'd forgotten making this video! Good to hear it again. You're quite right about the variations found in some cymbals, it can be pretty wild! Thanks for the comment.
@richardkemp5550 6 ай бұрын
Great vid. I've always wondered what a brass china might sound like.
@Collingwoodcymbals 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! I'll be making more videos showing various different mods and techniques to make from scratch. As for a brass china, I guess there's one way to find out!
@Spike_365 6 ай бұрын
I gotta say they look a lot better, and pretty good now
@Collingwoodcymbals 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! Yeah it's something, and hopefully, if nothing else it shows some options and ways of thinking about it.
@lancenicholas8520 6 ай бұрын
Have you ever made a ride from brass?
@Collingwoodcymbals 6 ай бұрын
No, but working on these did get me thinking about getting some brass sheet in for just that reason!
@nickcollins9893 6 ай бұрын
One of the best brass rides I've heard is Istanbul Agop MS-X, it's way over and above Paiste 101/PST3, Sabian SBR, Zildjian Planet Z, Meinl HCS
@Collingwoodcymbals 6 ай бұрын
Cool, I'll check it out!@@nickcollins9893
@CatabductionsAnoym 5 ай бұрын
@@CollingwoodcymbalsThose stainless steel low volume cymbals dont sound too bad either.
@PeterKudelin 6 ай бұрын
sounds awesome. what's the retail?
@Collingwoodcymbals 6 ай бұрын
Thanks! These are on at £350 with free shipping: collingwoodcymbals.com/products/14-hi-hats-1038g-1140g
@ericcutler7664 7 ай бұрын
Where can I take my cymbal to get rivets installed?
@Collingwoodcymbals 7 ай бұрын
Where are you based? I'm in Bristol, UK, and can do it, or you can find a local cymbalsmith on this map I created: collingwoodcymbals.com/pages/cymbalsmiths-of-the-world
@ericcutler7664 7 ай бұрын
@@Collingwoodcymbals I'll take a look at the map you made! Thanks.
@thomastornroos7393 7 ай бұрын
🔥🔥🔥🔥
@mirkomarkovic3438 7 ай бұрын
Too much midrange
@Collingwoodcymbals 7 ай бұрын
Awesome, thanks. Too much for who? You? Or are you speaking for everyone on the planet?
@mirkomarkovic3438 7 ай бұрын
@@Collingwoodcymbals for recording. That's gonna have to be eq'd out and the whole kit is gonna sound processed.
@Collingwoodcymbals 7 ай бұрын
@@mirkomarkovic3438 I'll make sure to alert whoever buys it
@fraserpeterkindrums9764 7 ай бұрын
That's a beauty Dave :)
@emanuelantunes2789 7 ай бұрын
Your videos deserve a lot more views. You've got content about subjects that are rarely talked about and you do it in a clear, well structured and concise manner. Congrats ;) I'm not a cymbal-smith, just a drummer with physics background, but I am tempted to subscribe because I am really curious about how cymbals are made and how the sound is affected by the various processes.
@Collingwoodcymbals 7 ай бұрын
Many thanks! The thing is I'm just not so great at playing the game in terms of getting my channel out there, I'm more comfortable a bit behind the scenes. Have you checked out Timothy Roberts's channel? He's putting out some very in-depth, well produced cymbal stuff these days, and he does some guest content for me on Patreon.
@emanuelantunes2789 7 ай бұрын
@@Collingwoodcymbals thank you for always replying. I haven't checked out Timothy Robert's channel, thanks for the pointer. I'll check it out!
@emanuelantunes2789 7 ай бұрын
How cool! What thickness would you recommend for trying to cheaply DIY a stack like these?
@Collingwoodcymbals 7 ай бұрын
I *think* these are 0.9mm, it's been a while since I've worked with stainless... I think that's 20 gauge.
@emanuelantunes2789 7 ай бұрын
just like that! magic! :D haha
@emanuelantunes2789 7 ай бұрын
how much force would you apply to get that tension distribution to bend the blank? Thanks! I'm lLoving your work!
@Collingwoodcymbals 7 ай бұрын
Cheers! I apply "medium" force, if that's any help? Anything too light and it won't deform the metal enough, and digging in like crazy can take things too far. Saying that, it can be good to apply a different force to each cymbal in the stack to control the deformation and make sure they sit nicely together, so maybe more force on the bottom one, least force for the top. Also, I sometimes adjust force as I work on a single pass depending on how I want to alter the shape... honestly, once you start digging into this craft it gets wild! Thanks for the comments.@@emanuelantunes2789
@emanuelantunes2789 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for your prompt reply@@Collingwoodcymbals ! I found your channel, and consequently your work, yesterday. Thank you for educating us and sharing such a fascinating craft! I though clap-stacks and the like were shaped by bending the cymbals either by roll-pressing or by hammering. Never occurred to me you could induce the tension to bend it by lathing it like that. Could you do a video about the best way to clean and preserve the finish on cymbals? :D Thank you!
@Collingwoodcymbals 7 ай бұрын
Yes I can do that, I see you joined the Patreon as a free member, many thanks! There are some videos there on the paid tiers covering this and much more, but happy to produce something for the YT channel.@@emanuelantunes2789