You forgot something about 10# The Sonic Adventure games have the best versions too lol Sonic and what not actually float up in the water like dead bodies

learns Majin boo learns Majin boo

Wait.. R.O.B is technically the most powerful in smash cuz he’s the only one who can attack people in the real world

these picks are awesome

Kiritsugu could walk up to all 3 versions of Shiro to talk and shoot him up close. Shiro is too trusting.

I wouldn't include Smash when factoring in R.O.B.'s canonical powers, so he would be the weakest character with his most "powerful" outing being in Mario Kart DS.

Terry fought the god of war Mars and won and a guy(can’t remember the name) that reacts to bullets.

I like the video, but I feel I need to tell you that it is always best to specify whether you are using creative or survival mode Steve and Survival mode Steve is exactly what you said (excluding death/damage manipulation and teleportation) while creative can wipe everyone out with "/kill @e". Clearly you used a mix of both, but I would recommend sticking to one because, practically, creative and survival mode Steve are separate characters with overlap.

Finally someone put Ash in his place I was getting tired of seeing him in almost every pokemon series.

To be funny u forgot to mention Shirou has Saber's scabbard in him. Lol

Hi, sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you. Again, the research on this topic was one I was just doing in my spare time. I also apologize for making a whole new comment for this instead of just replying to my old comment, but for some reason KZfaq doesn't like when I reply to that comment and has deleted every single one I've tried to do so far I'm also gonna apologize in advance. I spent all that time researching and gathering screenshots and YT videos and when everything was said and done and I looked over it, it didn't look good. I was pulling from a couple of different blogs and websites for my research and tried to not make an entire 30,000 word essay but in doing that I feel that I jumped from point to point too quickly and not in a coherent order. Instead, what I am going to do is link you the main two websites I used for my research and then go over some key points that I feel are the most important. This comment will still be kinda long but nowhere near as long as the blog, but they link many many of their sources so I feel it's worth reading Here is the main blog I used to assist me vsbattles.com/threads/megami-tensei-the-collective-expansive-crt.124544/ Personally I don't like using the Vs Battle Wiki all too much because not all of their claims are accurate. Sometimes they lowball certain characters or rank others too highly. For example, they massively lowball Shulk. But I feel that with the amount of sources that this blog specifically lists, it's worth looking into In my previous comment i mentioned that Persona 1 has outerversal scaling since Kandori transcends dimensionality. That was actually incorrect on my part. As for the Kandori scan, itself, he states to have "power over dimensions," ( static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/40/Kandori2.png/revision/latest?cb=20201227224023 ) and I personally would not equate that to transcending dimensionality altogether unless it was given more in-depth explanation, which it is not, to my knowledge As for what concepts Persona 2 brings to the table, it actually brings up more than one but the major one I want to focus on is a scene in Tatsuya's Scenario for P2's PSP remake. In this scene, Igor states that both Personas and Demons hail from a level of the Sea of Souls called Kadath Mandala, where they both exist in their archetypal forms ( imgur.com/nC6Jyh2 ). This is what I was referring to when I said that SMT actually benefits from being connected to Persona, because it mentions the place of origin for demons (as well as the Slime compendium entry in SMT IV [ "Its journey from the Atziluth world to the Assiah world was incomplete in some way." megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Slime#Shin_Megami_Tensei:_Strange_Journey ]) What this shows us is that Kadath Mandala and Atziluth are the same place. This also tells us that Persona does indeed use the same Kabbalistic Tree of Life cosmology that SMT uses. The Tree of Life is also briefly touched on in Persona 3 by Edogawa but he doesn't go in-depth about it Now, how does this relate to Joker? Well, it's unclear as to where the Metaverse in Persona 5 lies in the grand scheme of the Four Worlds, we just know it exists above Assiah, the physical world. The same can be said for the Midnight Channel in Persona 4 and the Dark Hour in Persona 3 (just a little footnote there). In my earlier comment I had made a point that Joker scales to outerversal simply from his feat of defeating Yaldabaoth, but the idea of calling that an outerversal feat in itself is questionable. He says in P5 that he is "the administrator born of the Collective Unconscious" ( kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ar-Vns-jr7DGf3U.htmlsi=IgUOWCUkI3yAfQzp at the 10:30 mark ). It's unclear as to whether or not he means the administrator over the entirety of the Collective Unconscious or just a portion of it. If he were the administrator of the entire CU then merging reality with the CU world be an outerversal feat, as the layer of Kadath Mandala is the realm where Buddhas like Vairocana, who have achieved enlightenment/Nirvana, reside, and transcends the concept of dimensions entirely ( imgur.com/a/megaten-scanslave-05-oIzYrYV ), though with how little info we're given about the extent of Yaldabaoth's control, I wouldn't blame you for not being convinced However, even after Yalabaoth there is another feat scaling Joker to outerversal in the third semester of Persona 5 Royal. Spoilers ahead In the third semester, Joker and the Phantom theives fight Adam Kadmon, who is the source of all existence and the unbound potential of humanity's soul, as referenced by Philemon himself ( imgur.com/a/vsbyYTb ), as well as the embodiment of the Tree of Life itself ( encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTHa1dvXjBRs6s_S6xNWgaiue5O_m-Zx0J4SQ&usqp=CAU ) Due to these findings, some people have scaled Adam Kadmon higher than even YHVH. I personally do not know if he can be scaled to such a degree, so I will not say yes or no to that I will also add that Joker did not overpower Adam Kadmon in any way. It took the combined effort of all of the Phantom Theives along with Crow and Violet to barely defeat him on a technicality. Before, they were only able to barely damage a fully powered Adam Kadmon. However, being able to harm Adam Kadmon at all is itself an outerversal feat in my opinion Of course, all of this doesn't mean a single thing if you do not believe that Persona and SMT share the same cosmology. The internet is heavily divided on whether or not they think that the two series are connected, and frankly I think that's dumb because the entire Persona series is quite literally an alternate timeline spinoff of SMT1 and SMT III Nocturne speaks briefly about an existing multiverse. I dont see why a spinoff series that originated from an alternate timeline wouldn't occupy the same cosmology. The name of the series all the way up until 4 is literally called "Shin Megami Tensei: Persona," with Persona 5 being the first game in the series to not have the SMT name on the cover. SMT characters are seen in Persona games. Demons and Personas interact with each other ( kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mqyHdZiEt6-Xm2w.htmlsi=pdJpSCLR9tIlromZ ). They're treated as equals and you even have to defeat certain Demons to unlock them later on as Personas, such as Sakya. In the fight with Joker (Persona 2), he brings out demons himself and still loses that fight, which even supports the idea that Personas and Demons scale one to another. To add the cherry on top, some Personas even state that their powers in their respective mythologies are yours to control. Some examples (that are also linked in the blog I previously put) are Mada, Ouroboros, Virochana, Shiva, Kohryu, Gaia, and Skurd. The two occupying the same cosmology would also better explain the Kabbalistic structure as well as Igor stating that Personas and Demons originate from the same place However, even if you agree with nothing that I've said, honestly I don't mind seeing as you did not lowball Shulk in your video lol. I have no idea whether or not KZfaq will let me reply to any questions or rebuttals you have, but if you do have some, I will do my best to research them

Make a video of similarities between Dragon Ball and Naruto

Why am i now finding this masterpiece

Definitely need you to make a video on Rex and Noah next. This shit was a masterpiece fr 💯

Litter conflicted about the Hoopa placement since the movies themselves have lots of contradiction to the lore, plus, by that scaling Lugia has to be a high tier Pokémon too since he was giving Hoopq so much trouble. Personally, unless a movie isnt mention in the anime, I really dont think they aren worth considering canon

nostalgia

Also, the fighters are using spirits that have been empowered by Galeem and Dharkon. Effectively meaning you can only counter the two with each others or their own powers

So , overall a kratos and sonic victim

Sonic should scale to outerversal

Strongest forse in fnaf omniverse - remnant.

"And we have Melia, who is best girl" a fellow correct opinion haver Great video. I've always been an advocate for Xenoblade scaling in the upper echelon of power in vs debates (at least for video game characters) and it's so refreshing to see someone who actually knows what they're talking about with this series

I just wanted to say that i realized something that could be used for scaling xenoblade character's speed. Spoilers for xenoblade 3: At the end of xenoblade 3 its stated that nia and melia comunicaded with each other using light. Mind you, this was before the merger of the two universes, meaning that that light had to travel at least at an infinite speed to even reach melia and nia. Meaning that light in the xenoblade universe moves at infinite speed, so any character that is stated to move at the speed of light already has infinite speed (i.e Rex, Jin, the aegises, and potentialy shulk and alvis.)

Mega Man doesn’t scale to Duo and is outright conveyed to be weaker than him Duo is weakened during his fight with Mega Man due to battling the Evil Robot earlier and crash landing on Earth from space When Mega Man first sees Duo in his stage, he comments on his strength, saying “What power…!” Mega Man and Duo’s fight gets cut short, due to Duo believing Mega Man to be a warrior of justice Mega Man also notes how powerful Duo is after the fight, and states he was holding back Before Mega Man enters Wily Castle, he attacked and electrocuted by a robot for several seconds, before Duo easily kills it Right before the final boss, Mega Man is about to be hit by a laser made of evil energy that is implied will kill him, but Duo takes the attack for him, and damages Dr. Wily’s machine, destroying the cannon I’m not sure about fears outside the games tho

21:38, the real explanation is that the trinity processor is shoehorned retcon that doesn’t fit the pre-established rules of Xenoblade 1.

Cant wait to hear your take on the rest of the series

(Spoilers for everything 1, 2, and 3) Ontos's role as the arbiter of the Trinity core is pretty tricky to define with what we know. While some say it denotes power, I think its dependence on the other two aspects as well as Logos and Pneuma's own showings make me feel the role is closer to tie breaker/leader. If he is stronger its not by an insane amount. All of the trinity core, and even non core people, are shown to be drastically stronger when working with others. Malos in Xb2 was never able to fight freely and without doubts alongside another (like Jin) unlike his siblings. As such in that game he is by far the weakest. Pneuma as Mythra was weaker than that basic Malos, but also was afraid of her powers and could not use them to the fullest. But as soon as she was able to fight alongside another freely she went from being a very strong blade to rewriting reality on a whim as Pnuema. Similarly, Ontos/Alivs does his most impressive feats when working with either the original trinity core(creating XB1 world), his recreated trinity(Bionis/Mechonis/Monado powers), or Shulk and his friends(recreating the world and changing fate). Strong emotions and desires boost their abilities by a lot, to the point where Alpha prioritized Na'el over rejoining with his literal other half of power. N, using the black Origin Blade with Malos' spirit, was able to with his Moebius emotions overpower whole Ontos/ Na'el. Ghondor with just Orobouros could split Ontos' personality and power in half. Then a host-less Alpha using the desires of all of the city people was boosted to such a degree that Logos, Pnuema, and the FC party's emotions were needed to defeat him, further showing how potent they are. Granted in FR it is hard to say if the cores are stronger or weaker after the conduit disappeared, but seeing as Ontos was able to stop Z, who froze the time of two infinite universes for over a thousand years, its hard to say if they got weaker at all.

So THAT'S why I like the ending of Blazblue so much!

53:29 it could also be argued that it's both a surprise attack seeing as the fogging had stopped and that Dickson was using a special bullet or power as he can turn into a giant much stronger than mechon but didn't use that earlier as he was undercover holding back and alvis was doing the same as he was able to use an art to destroy the telethia that would have killed melia in the tomb but doesn't have that art when he is a temporary party member fighting smaller telethia when teaching shulk purge also it seems like Dickson's weapon transforms with him when he is a giant being a sword, cannon or hammer

50:38 seeing as when zanza and meyneth clashed monados they acted like real swords in a bind but shulk's was able to effortlessly cut though them both Think of zanza and meyneths monados as bananas but Shulk's is a real kitchen knife something like that as an example

33:08 the result of the attack can be seen when in sword valley as the monado wound which is a big crater in the sword itself

31:33 riki was also recognized as a true heropon by the nopon sage instead of being the yearly heropon who works and fight to pay off debts

23:52 due to the Apocrypha generator being able to shutdown or suppress the monado by releasing opposite waves, similar to noise canceling tech, and that the generator itself can fight back to protect itself similar tech can be used to make a weapon seeing bothe the replica monados and the Apocrypha generator are both technologies of the machina it makes sense and was basics were pre-established

I don't really understand your reasoning with Smash vs. canon. You say you don't want to include Smash-only inventions, yet you do anyway. For example, Game & Watch can't turn into an octopus. The octopus is an enemy in one Game & Watch game and the characters don't have any control over it. You include the gunmen as part of Duck Hunt's strength yet they come from entirely different games and wouldn't fight together. (Plus wouldn't the Duck Hunt Trio technically be unbeteable by most characters since the person with the light gun is observing it all from a seperate dimension) Lastly, and this is not a jab at you or the video, I just don't really understand the enjoyment of taking every instance and mechanic so literally. In the end pretty much everyone end up having supersonic, or higher, speeds to some degree. A character can be able to generate 1 000 gigatons of force in one moment and then have to hit a basic enemy twice to kill them. It just doesn't make sense. I feel like if a character has insane feats it has to be able to be explained, otherwise it's just a game mechanic. Edit: You did an amazing job with your research it seems, just some things I think are faulty. Which is fine.

Xenoblade Chronicles lore? Good luck with that! The whole series has so many religious references it is insane. And that is before the radio happened. As for Alvis, it is said that he is the arbiter between his siblings/other trinity procesots and heavily depends on their power and also the main core responsible for majority of the preocesses when the space station was still standing. So when the experiment happened, he transported into XC1 universe to as he was still following his original programing and making sure that the experiment is sucesfull. Then there was some other things, like how Alvis was influences by Zanza's other half who regreted destroying the universe which explains why he decided to assist Shulk and co as Alvis probably saw that Zanza will mess things up again. The other monados? Likely reflections/replicas of the other trinity procesors with Zanza probably using Pneumas and Mayneth using Malos. This is more of a speculation, but hey, that is Xeno lore for you!

How it feels to dance with the devil in the pale moonlight

19:18 Hyper Hedgehog is Super Saiyan God/Blue cuz Sonic/Goku at this form, can do God things. Sonic can go Super Hedgehog 2 too.

I wish you’d have kept going with the rest of the story. The power scaling only got crazier and more interesting with 2 and 3 and their expansions. Alvis is just Ontos. One core of the Trinity Processor out of three. You owe it both the fanbase and YOURSELF to complete the analysis. You just explained a third of the intended narrative and called it complete. Takahashi merits better right? This was GREAT, but you COULD make a true masterwork.

fate characters are beyond infinity dimensional septillion outer solar exter versal creational power conceptional hornyoal universe strong. if it weren't for gaia alaya beasts grands zelritch kaleidoscope ultimate ones small ones delusional ones they would've destroyed all fiction and even our reality by merely playing tug of war with me-I MEAN FUJIMARU RITSUKA quintillions of times over in the span of a petasecond

Xenoblade 1-3 take place in virtual worlds so any powers blade characters show is irrelevant when it comes to powerscaling as they could not do any of their feats outside the virtual worlds. Takahashi has confirmed this in the artworks and interviews recently that xenoblade 1, Xenoblade 2, and Xenoblade 3 all take place in virtual worlds. This video is pointless. Blade characters could get washed by some of the weakest gaming characters since blade characters have no real powers.

The bions is the about the size of Japan said from developers

I had the entire hour long video playing while I was writing in a different tab. I didn't focus on everything you said, but the video sounds like it was very detailed and well-thought-out. Great job. 👍

whenever you said "warriors" I thought you were saying Wario, lol.

Ate there any spoilers for Xenoblade 3 here? (it is the only one I haven't played yet)

So I'm not the best person to explain this since it's Xenosaga lore (I recommend Luxin for full explanations), but the confusion of the Memory Passage clears up if you read it as existing within the Upper Domain (basically a higher layer of the universe where gods and other conceptual beings reside, that is virtually untouchable by residents of the Lower Domain). Basically, during the finale of the game, Shulk (and arguably Fiora) ascends to the Upper Domain, and he carries his party members with him in a temporary ascension, with help from Alvis. (I realize that probably sounds like word salad, but given that the post-credits of Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Future Redeemed basically confirms that Xenoblade 1, 2, and 3 are part of the larger Xenosaga canon, it's worth digging into for the later entries, particularly Xenoblade 3 since both Moebius and Fogbeasts are heavily implied to be lesser equivalents to Gnosis from Xenosaga, which is a tangent on its own.)

Great video! I will wait for the Xc2 video before I give my 2cents about why Mythra and Malos *appear* to be weaker than Alvis

0:18 name of villain?

Alvis was never retrofit into being an aegis core, the two aegis cores were given background tasks to manage every blade. The specifics aren’t clear, but it could be that the power sets of Alvis and his siblings diverged from a starting point. The fall from the fortress was later confirmed to have been that Meyneth saved them. As for getting shot, Shulk’s body is still mortal. Not to mention that Zanza knew it was coming and suppressed the vision from Shulk.

54:53 i mean that was explained as a result of Meyneth using her power to save them Also regarding Shulk being shot by Dickson, all of Shulk's regular visions up to this point were from Zanza right? And during the Zanza fight Shulk says: 'It shows me my enemy' could it be possible that because Shulk did not at this point recognise Dickson as an enemy he could not perceive a vision warning him of being shot?

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