Do you have a previous pair of Futura or a pair of solution to compare with?

@@TheLimastra I never owned the previous model. I went to a gear store that actually had just about every new 2024 Futura sized in stock. I originally asked for a size 41.5 but that was kinda big. The smallest size I could fit my foot without the use of a plastic bag was size 40.5. I ended up with size 40.0 which I do need a plastic bag to slip them in. Size 40 is the lowest I feel I can squeeze my foot without it being excruciating. I went with that size so accommodate the 0.5 stretch that these will eventually lengthen too

Same toe width as genius, never tried the skwama however the genius is pretty wide, and has the PD85 last same as Skwama, Theory, and Testarossa, and now the Mandala

Not too sure what to recommend as I wear the same size in both theory and Skwama but went up 0.5 - 1 size in the mandalas. But based off your comments would probably recommended the 43.

Whilst they share some aesthetics with the theory they are very different. Mainly around the stiffness. The Theory is super soft with no midsole where as the Mandala is closer in stiffness to the Skwama. The Mandala looks to fit in the range in a similar place as the Skwama as an allrounder, but aimed at mid to high end bouldering and sport climbing but with the no edge technology. If you want a bit softer then there is the Futura or if you want really soft then there is the Mantra in the No Edge family.

@@volume1climbing Thanks a lot!

It does have the same black lining as the Skwamas. The new Futura's don't though so would be worth checking those out as has a more padded foot entrance! Heel feels ok when sized correctly, find that going up at least 0.5 size, drops the foot deeper in to the heel. Obviously with being a new shoe it is unknown how much they will stretch out but I imagine it will be similar to the Skwama.

They feel most similar in softness to the skwamas from the initial feel. Futuras are a bit softer and then the Mantra is super soft as has no midsole.

They feel similar to the skwama in many ways. The biggest difference is that they appear to sit slightly lower on the foot under the ankle than the skwama. But similar width toebox based on feel but with a slightly narrower heel.

I guess one way to think about it is that you are effectively smearing on every hold. The rubber then distributes itself into all the available space so you get maximum rubber contact with the hold.

The mandala is a little bit wider than the others but not by much. I wouldn't personally consider any of them to be a wide fit!

but probably not as narrow, as the Skwama WMN? i also like the new miura vs and katana lace heel, i terms of shape.

They are a bit stiffer than the futuras but not by an amount that is a complete game changer. I don't know how they compare to the old Futura in regard to sizing but compared to the new model then we would recommend going up 0.5!

The new Mandala has more toe hook rubber than the Futura. Did seem a little strange as the Futura looked more geared towards bouldering. Anyway both worked well on indoor lead routes with small holds and I've used the Mandala outdoors and they really stick like glue to small holds

That’s the euro shoe experience. Had to size down my Tenaya Mastia 2.5 sizes down just to fill out the shoe, had the same experience with the La Sportiva Skwama going from Size 9 US street shoe to fitting into 6.5 US otherwise I can’t stand on small edges. I’ve moved to American climbing brands since then: Evolv, Madrock, 5.10 and Unparallel all perform great at true-to-size.

@@mikej243 i’ve had a completely different experience. I wear a 43-44 street shoe (44 Nike SB, 43 Etnies) and my proper fit is the 43 1/3 Tenaya Indalo. The 42 Mastia was too small for me, the 43 1/4 Iati not quite tight enough . Tenaya has a bad reputation for sizing, but in the end I should’ve trusted my street shoe size over the reviews 5.10 is at least as notorious as Tenaya for having it’s own sizing from what I’ve heard. I’m posting all the sizes and brands for posterity in case someone finds it useful, because online climbing shoe shopping shoes is so frustrating.

Different scarpa shoes have different sizing, would advise to go to a local store that has shoes and just try all of them.

It has happened to my gf and me as well whenever putting them on try to pull with the flaps up and not to the sides to avoid that.

what size did you buy compare to your street shoes ?