Great video, I'm currently researching FOX and your video was helpful. I just have one concern though, at 19:16 you are testing the string voltage. The DC voltage from the array on the roof is potentially lethal and should be terminated into a fuse holder or DC breaker before making it live on the roof.
@alpselectrical6 сағат бұрын
Hi thanks for your comment, and glad you found the video helpful!!! The strings are routed through a DC isolator which is to the left of the inverter (shown in the video), and set in the OFF position prior to the strings being connected on the roof. The isolator remains in the off position until the person testing the string voltage (me in this video) turns it on after first ensuring the cores of each leg of the string are kept at a sufficient distance to avoid potential DC arcing, and immediately carries out the test. The isolator is then turned off to terminate the MC4 connectors which are then connected together for the current test using a DC clamp meter. Once they are connected together the isolator is turned back on and readings are taken, then the isolator is turned back off and the strings can be inserted into the inverter. Then the isolator is turned back on. This is a necessary test and the only, and safest way it can be carried out. At no point is voltage present at the strings unless being tested as described above by a qualified and competent individual (me in this case) I hope that answers your concerns :) Don't forget to like and subscribe :)
@nemezis2719832 күн бұрын
Hi I managed to set up force charge and discharge on typical hours, but I don't know how to cancel it? There is no option for it unfortunately when you do it in app.
@alpselectrical2 күн бұрын
Hi, are you not able to toggle it off? You need to hit the submit button after toggling off to save the new settings! If you are struggling call the Fox helpline and speak to technical. They are really helpful! 02475100078
@nemezis2719832 күн бұрын
Have tried many times and them bars are back on every time I back, unfortunately can't do anything, even when saved and toggle off they still on and system it's still charging and discharge on time as set.
@alpselectrical2 күн бұрын
I know that they are having issues with the app at the moment as it is still fairly new and the new firmware, but Fox can change your settings on the web dashboard rather than the app. So can your installer, if I was your installer and had your system on my app I could do it for you no issue. Try your installer or Fox they will sort it straight away!
@nemezis2719832 күн бұрын
Thank you very much for your help and support, I will try tomorrow from computer see if that's help, if not will contact foxess support team 😀 hope they will help sort out the issue, I have to change for autoconsumpion and 1min time schedule to stop it working.
@nemezis2719832 күн бұрын
Thank you very much for your help and support, I will try tomorrow from computer see if that's help, if not will contact foxess support team 😀 hope they will help sort out the issue, I have to change for autoconsumpion and 1min time schedule to stop it working.
@adammitchell60573 күн бұрын
Very informative video, thanks. The cases you’ve done with the fox cube have been in garages. The cubes look like sealed units with no ventilation channels for cooling. How hot do they get, would you put them in a box room next to the loft, or always in an outbuilding or garage?
@alpselectrical2 күн бұрын
Hi, thanks for the comment. The rules on where batteries can be sited has just changed a few weeks ago making it a lot more limited. Lofts are now a no go, and small cupboards or near boilers, water cylinders etc. A frequently visited room in the house is ok as long as there is good fire separation and space around the system as per manufacturers guidelines. Garages are ideal for good ventilation but require integrated smoke alarms installed as it is a room not frequently visited. Some batteries work great outside such as Solax and Tesla Powerwall!
@melhiore3 күн бұрын
You got a sub from me... Nice, clean job. I have a Hybrid inverter already installed and thinking of retrofitting cube batteries... However, how do you calculate how much storage you need?? I mean the initial storage, I understand the option of adding additional storage later...
@alpselectrical2 күн бұрын
Hi, thanks for the comment and sub! Really appreciated! Batteries are the drummer of the band and the panels the lead singer! Batteries sit in the background but are the work horse of the system making a significant difference to your savings, especially in winter! I always say to customers to get a battery system that is easily added to, and then go conservative, but somewhere close to your annual usage. So I have 10kWh of battery and we use around that per day, sometimes just over. I could really do with another 2.5kWh to cover myself fully for most days. The idea being that if I charge them every night from the grid to 100% I should only ever be paying the cheap evening rate for my electric. The solar then tops them up for the evening and excess solar is exported to grid for payment. You can then even force discharge a full battery down to say 20% during the peak export rate period and start the whole process again. So in answer to your question, I would suggest as close to your daily usage as possible as long as budget allows. If budget is an issue just add half as much as it will still make a big difference and add more later when you can! :) Hope that helps!
@andrewmullen40033 күн бұрын
Never understood the thinking of payback period for a solar array, whats the payback for a gas boiler?
@alpselectrical2 күн бұрын
Im sorry I have no idea what that would be as i have no experience with gas boilers :)
@garyhall38353 күн бұрын
Great video Andy, i have some questions, How long will it take 'roughly' to have the savings on your electric to pay back the solar and battey install if you were a customer, taking into account the extra batteries that you added to your system. Unkess i understood it wrongly, which is likely 😅, how come your summer months aren't the highest producing months, it seemed like it was spring ? Great video btw, its the 1st one of yours that ive seen
@alpselectrical3 күн бұрын
Hi Gary, thanks for the comment! We do installation videos but I am now starting to provide informative videos on Solar & EV too, so lots more to come! So stay tuned! A system the size of mine for a customer should take 7 years to pay back saving around £800 per year or more depending upon the orientation of your property. As mine is 71 degrees off South I lose the sun at 4pm so obviously that has a significant bearing on the payback. It is still worth it though as the system will continue to work long after the payback period, and who knows where the energy prices will be then???? In answer to your question about Spring being my highest yields, that would be again down to my orientation. If I was bang due South I would expect my results to be different and show a better Summer. Also in this country, we seem to have good spring periods and so a mixture of both I think. I am going to upload a video purely about how solar works in winter and what you can do to maximise its potential with batteries, so look out for that. I will show other customers' results as well as my own and explain the various system sizes and orientations of others to compare. Thanks again! :)
@garyhall38353 күн бұрын
Thanks Andy for the reply even on a BH, it's a pity you guys are so far away as for some reason the KZfaq installers I've come across.oj KZfaq are always miles north of where I live. I like the idea of a Friday pint, that hasn't been a thing in over 20yrs where live cherrs
@alpselectrical2 күн бұрын
Haha! I am afraid a Friday pint is still a ritual for me! :)
@stuartibbotson71794 күн бұрын
thank you
@alpselectrical3 күн бұрын
You're welcome
@johncrosby79854 күн бұрын
Good video, straight forward no nonsense factual 10/10 The thing is hater’s gonna hate , I get it all the time with my EV same old dumb questions!!!! I normally just say 95 percent of ice car drivers who slag off EV’s have never even driven one and 95 percent of EV drivers used to be ice drivers but will never go back ! Then I say just think about that for a minute and walk off 😂 it’s the same with my solar and my battery same dumb questions ! But more videos like this one should help change their mindset 👍
@alpselectrical4 күн бұрын
Thank you! Despite my factual video I have still received comments saying it is a load of rubbish and one guy even said solar is only 3% efficient in the winter!!!! I mean there are people that will not have it that the earth is round so I am not trying to convince the unconvinced, more so trying to help those interested in having solar installed themselves haha :) Thanks for your comment
@mrmuds86244 күн бұрын
Do these fox batteries have thermal management? I've heard other people complain about the charge/discharge rate dropping to next to nothing when it's cold.
@alpselectrical4 күн бұрын
Hi, thanks for the comment. Most batteries other than Tesla will suffer during cold temperatures. Tesla has internal thermal management, as does SOLAX. Despite batteries like FOX, GivEnergy, and many others being IP65 rated and able to be installed outside, they do not have internal thermal management. You can have cabinets built which have their own thermal management but that will increase cost. I have spoke with various manufacturers about this and have been advised that the batteries will look after themselves in cold temperatures by simply holding back and not using their full capacity, ie, not fully charging, nor fully discharging. Some battery manufacturers boast that their batteries are more efficient than others when installed outside, but FOX do not advise them being outside and open to the elements.
@ChristopherAmos-bp1ju5 күн бұрын
looking at your figures without referral fees which as a solar installer you will be able to talk customers into the same deal as you get your electricity would have cost you £382.41 that is only taking off the £250. So your saving compared to the year before works out at £856.96 so how much would a system like you have cost a customer? how long would it take to pay back that cost including the interest because unless you have the spare cash you will need a loan. Yes I do have solar fitted the council here in stoke on trent fitted them and they are crap.
@alpselectrical4 күн бұрын
Hi, thanks for the comment. My savings are £786.96 for the year not taking into account anything other than the export payments received, however as I only started charging the batteries overnight 6 months into the year, and my export payments did not start for 2 months after installation, and I have only just started force discharging the batteries during the high tariff 4-7pm period I expect bigger savings this following year. These ways of utilising the batteries have a significant effect on energy savings. I am expecting my savings in the next 12 months to be closer to £900. For my system, a customer could expect around a 7/8 year payback if they had exactly the same system as me with the same orientation. I do not have a great orientation and lose the sun at 4pm off the panels, so clearly someone with the same system with a better orientation would see much greater yields and returns and payback period. Someone else may have an EV and go on a better tariff than I am on. There simply isn't a one-size-fits-all-all system, every case is different because of many varying factors, including a customer's annual usage, etc. Some customers do choose to get a personal loan, and they look at it as the annual energy savings are paying back the interest plus a significant portion of the loan payments, whilst every year owning more and more of the asset which they will own outright by the end of the loan term, which you could take for the term of the proposed payback period if you wish. Unlike a loan to buy a car which usually depreciates in value, the NPV of a solar system only grows, and with so much uncertainty with energy prices people are looking to secure some control over their energy bills in years to come. Regarding the solar installation at your home, was it a council scheme that was free? I am assuming that it will have been minimal panels and without battery storage, was it? If you are finding the system no good then it clearly is not a suitable system for your needs. Battery storage makes a huge difference when it comes to holding onto the yields for later consumption and utilising cheap energy tariffs to your advantage!
@ChristopherAmos-bp1ju3 күн бұрын
@@alpselectrical yes they were on the house when we got it through a scheme there are 11 panels at 375 watts each according to the paperwork, we are only 5 degrees off due south but seem to produce very little according to our smart meter
@alpselectrical2 күн бұрын
Hi mate, you should be seeing around 3000kWh per year I would estimate off that system, but its difficult to comment without seeing it and testing it etc. If you are really seeing poor results and think there may be an issue it may be worth getting a local solar installer to come out and test the strings and everything is ok. It could be that if it is wired in two strings that only one is working and never been connected up correctly. Hard to comment but thats an ok system at 4.125KW and pretty much bang South! I would get it checked bud! :)
@alpselectrical5 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching the video - let us know what you think of the Fox Cube battery storage system because we love it!
@user-jv1ee1qr1f7 күн бұрын
Thanks, all good and interesting information. Just a thought on your statistics presentation. It looks as though Spring is best, but Autumn is worst. However, if you adjust the months & durations to centre on the solstices and equinoxes, then you will likely have a stronger seasonal variation, which will make the earlier Summer and Winter effects a bit more dramatic and dominant.
@alpselectrical6 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment, I wish I understood it, but as a mere electrician I was just putting together a general idea of the seasonal periods going by the official seasonal dates, and have also displayed the generation month by month so it hopefully gives people a fair idea of how it performs in throughout the year.
@user-jv1ee1qr1f4 күн бұрын
@@alpselectrical It was just some thoughts and I am not involved in Solar, but I am an interested observer, learning and hoping to invest if I have free money to do it, so just learning for now... Having recently been watching the Northern Lights, it made me think that about this and whether the 'Solar Winter' should be centred on the shortest day, ie late December and the 'Solar Summer' centred around the longest day, ie late June. That is like 1x month different to the normal thoughts on seasons which are more dictated by temperatures.
@alpselectrical3 күн бұрын
Hi, well funnily enough I am planning on doing a video purely about solar during winter and how to best utilise the batteries etc, and so I will look at what you suggest and perhaps alter the data to suit. Thanks very much for your input! And for watching! :)
@CH-vb5kr9 күн бұрын
You're hardly going to talk down "Solar" if you install/sell it.
@alpselectrical9 күн бұрын
Hi, thanks for your comment. We are not talking it up or down, just talking facts from personal experience as a user of solar and installer, and showing those who are interested in solar how it works throughout the year and how to save even more money utilising cheap tariffs to charge the batteries. It's not really for those who refuse to believe solar works (which it definitely does as the video proves)
@jamesbailey26019 күн бұрын
Hi thanks for the video, I have a solar and battery system but I am struggling with recording my data into a spread sheet, is it possible for you to share the spread sheet you have displayed please.
@alpselectrical9 күн бұрын
Hi, I'm not too sure how to do that tbh, I actually just put it together in excel
@ambassadorfromreality11252 күн бұрын
I hope you get it sorted but it might help if you do Google search with the manufacturers name plus " how to excel" very often somebody has done it and put it on the web. It is sometimes just a matter of getting the right search .
@adairjanney710910 күн бұрын
Sure it works, just not nearly as good as it does int he sunbelt so youll need more panels
@alpselectrical9 күн бұрын
Sorry don't understand the comment?
@Sean_S100010 күн бұрын
Before watching the video yes it works in winter, just not as good as summer
@alpselectrical9 күн бұрын
Correct!
@Yogeshji10810 күн бұрын
We need 2 Tesla power wall
@alpselectrical9 күн бұрын
Where do you live in the UK??
@user-dc2ot2tj2b11 күн бұрын
only woke can ask a questiom like that does solar work no it is lasy it only hang around in the sun.
@lukedaniels775010 күн бұрын
Somebody complaining about others being lazy when they are evidently too lazy to spell correctly or use any punctuation at all.
@alpselectrical9 күн бұрын
I would love to answer your comment but don't understand it sorry
@lukedaniels77509 күн бұрын
@@alpselectrical The comment is unintelligable. There is no sense to be made.
@user-dc2ot2tj2b8 күн бұрын
@@lukedaniels7750 amasing how some cantalk about something that is 50 years old and talk like it is invented yesterday yes to stupid to see the differend between sombody working or laing in the sun iam sure a coronation street folower?
@tebbo832411 күн бұрын
Great video Andy, I'm two days into using the system you installed and can't believe how well its working. Although a low energy user i can see this as a great investment. Looking forward to Octopus hooking me up to Flux export in due course. Keep the videos coming.
@alpselectrical9 күн бұрын
Hey thanks so much so glad to hear you are happy with the results so far!!! 😊
@journeysouth685212 күн бұрын
Great work at this institution ! The postman pat bit is to funny😂😂
@alpselectrical12 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@journeysouth685212 күн бұрын
This is good information about how to do this stuff .
@alpselectrical12 күн бұрын
Hey, thanks so much
@journeysouth685212 күн бұрын
Love this! Great information for new installers and great video.
@alpselectrical8 күн бұрын
thank you very much :)
@journeysouth685212 күн бұрын
Great video ! Love the intro with the plane flyby sound .
@alpselectrical12 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@alpselectrical12 күн бұрын
For those contemplating it, but unsure if solar works in the UK, hopefully, this video helps to reassure you that it does! 👍Please let us know your thoughts, and any questions, and if you have solar, let us know how it is performing for you! Thanks for watching!
@bermudatriangle203610 күн бұрын
why are you not using the tariff where its 7p at night?
@alpselectrical8 күн бұрын
We do not have an Electric Vehicle, the Octopus Go & Intelligent Octopus Go tariffs are only for customers with an Electric Vehicle (unfortunately)
@jamiepolson13 күн бұрын
As a meter installer I would NOT like to come across those chuffing isolators in a “ meter” cupboard.
@alpselectrical9 күн бұрын
Hey, I can completely appreciate that matey, especially on a Friday afternoon eh?, but with all due respect, we are more interested in keeping the customer happy than your good self :) As we said though, should they need to be - they can always be relocated, but for now and the foreseeable future its a tidy solution that serves a purpose, meets the regs, and keeps the install looking lovely! There is plenty of room in there and so nonsensical not to utilise it!
@scottdennis393720 күн бұрын
My mode scheduler is greyed out. Can't click it.. do I need to firm ware update?
@alpselectrical12 күн бұрын
Hi, sorry for the late reply, only just seen the comment. Yes that's correct, the firmware must be updated first. Just call the Fox Ess service centre - 024 7510 0078, and ask them for a firmware update. You will need to provide your inverter serial number. They should also be able to send you a PDF instruction on how to do this - good luck!
@electrician24720 күн бұрын
Nice job fellas
@alpselectrical9 күн бұрын
Hi, thank you very much!!!! :)
@alpselectrical22 күн бұрын
If you enjoy watching this installation video, don't forget to check out our others and like and subscribe! Thank you so much for watching 👀
@alpselectrical24 күн бұрын
If you own a Fox ESS solar system you may want to watch this video as it explains how to start using the new 'force discharge' capability introduced with the new app version 2.0 and firmware updates. Let us know in the comments if you have Fox and managed to update your system and if you think 'force discharge' will benefit you?
@scottmcshannon682126 күн бұрын
why do solar installers need scaffoldings but roofers dont? its the same roof, and roofers get closer to the edge.
@alpselectrical12 күн бұрын
They are two different trades, but no trade should work on a roof without scaffolding. The importance of Health and Safety can never be underestimated. It is simply not possible to install solar panels 'safely' on a roof off ladders alone. No reputable company would take short cuts with Health & Safety. Solar panels require a gap leaving around the edge of the array of 500mm.
@caymanblack95672 ай бұрын
Nice job, can I ask the price of this ?thx.
@alpselectrical12 күн бұрын
Hi, sorry just seen this, we work in the North-East where do you live?
@adaml99a6 ай бұрын
Great video and a little humour chucked in for good measure.😅 I’m going to buy one of this and install next week!
@alpselectrical3 ай бұрын
Gotta try and make the day more fun! Thanks for your comment glad you enjoyed the video!
@paulcalland56579 ай бұрын
DO NOT BUY WALLBOX, I HAD NITHING BUT PROBLEMS AND WASTE OF TIME CUSTOMER SERVICE, TAKES WEEKS BEFORE ZNYONE GETS BACK AND THEN ITS EMAIL TENNIS. NOT RECOMMENDED
@alpselectrical3 ай бұрын
TBH this was the customers purchase, we always recommend MyEnergi Zappi as our go-to EV charger...