Great Video! You’re definitely getting fast on that vessel. Keep it up 😎🤙🏽
@barryblackburn59105 сағат бұрын
Thank you 🤙🏽🤙🏽
@barryblackburn59106 сағат бұрын
I like the green color 😎
@jprmac12 күн бұрын
Do you try several of these drills in the same session, or are you supposed to get comfortable at one before moving onto the next? For instance, I'm having trouble even getting the hang of single side paddling with leg drive (& balance whilst doing it); should I spend longer on this before I progress to bar to chest?
@ThePaddleChannelКүн бұрын
Try out the different drills and see which one (or maybe more) resonates with you -- it's pretty common for one drill to "click", when others don't. We're working on another leg drive video with a land drill that really simplifies learning leg drive, so stay tuned for that!
@chenkarp5 күн бұрын
Nice one. Wish we could get those here.
@barryblackburn59104 күн бұрын
Sold by Outrigger Zone. Do you have a sales rep near you?
@chenkarp4 күн бұрын
@@barryblackburn5910 overall OC1/Waka ama are very rare in Israel, no one bring outrigger zone products, the shipping is making it very expensive.
@barryblackburn59104 күн бұрын
I hope you can find one. I really love the V1. I am still playing with the ama settings. Even a small change in how I rig the ama really changes the balance of the boat. I’m loving the challenge.
@chenkarp3 күн бұрын
@@barryblackburn5910 do you find it less stable than an OC1?
@barryblackburn59103 күн бұрын
@@chenkarpNo. You do sit higher and the V1 is more narrow than most OC1s but the V1 is longer and you can use your legs and feet more like you can in an OC6.
@cyberscribewebsolutions68235 күн бұрын
My rabbit ears didn't work out like I hoped... 😅
@barryblackburn59105 күн бұрын
I saw you in that clip. 😂
@jodyodell61595 күн бұрын
More clips like these, love it
@barryblackburn59105 күн бұрын
Thanks Jody! Rod paddled a Vega Arc and loved it. He said you were looking to get one!
@jodyodell61595 күн бұрын
@@barryblackburn5910 april got one ordered for me already. I have a flex for sail if yoi know anyone looking
@barryblackburn59104 күн бұрын
Jody, when is your Vega Arc coming in? Let us know when you are in NC!
@barryblackburn59105 күн бұрын
I know that guy!
@joedirt2222221 күн бұрын
Please fit your life jackets better. Or use one with a strap that holds it down.
@ThePaddleChannel21 күн бұрын
Sound advice. That was one of our first observations after reviewing first reviewing this footage. We now always snug the straps on the PFD before going out -- doing so doesn't decrease comfort at all. The Mocke PFD stays in place just fine if the strap are tightened properly. In truth, even with the straps loose, it would be nearly impossible to slip out of that PFD accidentally, but it does give one a heckuva chin rash if not tightened up. 😃
@mikeselby91822 күн бұрын
Great video. I went from a Fenn Elite SL to a Vega Flex. Absolutely best decision. Mike from Sydney Australia
@ThePaddleChannel21 күн бұрын
Thanks, Mike! That's cool to hear -- we always wonder if others' experience matches what we're learning and seeing.
@thomasjessen29 күн бұрын
I love your content and that you emphasize the technical training drills. One question - I see you do not feather your paddle. Are you still doing that and what are your considerations in this regard? Best regards from Denmark 😉
@ThePaddleChannel28 күн бұрын
We both still paddle zero feather. Rod tried feathering everywhere from 15-60 degrees for a while, but returned to 0 degrees after a few months due to wrist pain. A few reasons we stick with zero degree are: * When we were learning, a number of coaches/teachers recommended zero feather for easier bracing. Since we paddle in the ocean most of the time, that seemed like a good option. * Despite both of us having backgrounds in exercise physiology, we couldn't see that feathering really offers a true biomechanical advantage (though many very experienced paddlers would disagree). * Feathering does introduce additional movement at the wrist, and that has the potential for repetitive use injury. A good technique coach would probably mitigate that risk, but we don't have a coach here, so we just kept it simple. :) * Both of us have been pleased with our performance, both downwinding and racing, at zero degree feather. Again, there are plenty of paddlers who would disagree, but we're both happy with zero degree feather and don't have plans to change. Thanks for your kind comments!
@thomasjessen28 күн бұрын
@@ThePaddleChannel 🙏🌊😎
@barryblackburn59104 күн бұрын
We still paddle at zero degree feather. What did you decide to do?
@raju-bitter29 күн бұрын
Great advice, thanks for sharing! 👃
@bigredfred33Ай бұрын
I’m looking to try super glue on a fiberglass shower with a two inch crack. I heard if you drill small holes on either end of the crack it will stop it from cracking further (not that I would do that to my kayak). I also saw a video of a guy that super glued two small dry blocks of wood together and two slightly moist blocks together, the moist pieces dried much faster.
@user-qf4bl6hx9vАй бұрын
Русский учи,потом ролики делай,!!!!
@adamfrbs9259Ай бұрын
This is absolutely not how i thought a wing paddle worked...good thing i watched this, it'll be here Monday.
@ThePaddleChannelАй бұрын
Awesome! You'll have to circle back. Be sure to read through the comments here, too -- there's some great advice there. Enjoy that new paddle!
@Destry.A.PАй бұрын
Do you have a part list to make one?
@ThePaddleChannelАй бұрын
Unfortunately we don't -- we wish we did. Our friend Jim made this mount, and we just bummed it off of him. 😄
@powhoundusАй бұрын
Much simpler than that long complicated explanation on wing tracking - let the paddle go where it wants to go. The only way a wing paddle will dive under you is if you try to force it down the side of the boat like a regular paddle. If you just pull back and don’t try to direct it along the boat, it will find the most efficient track. Very simple. Don’t have to think about propellers or wings. Just let it go where it wants. 🤷🏻♂️
@ThePaddleChannelАй бұрын
Different teaching cues resonate with different individuals, so a variety of explanations can be beneficial to a variety of paddlers. Most paddlers have been conditioned all their lives to "paddle with a pull" -- place the blade and pull. We've found that simply telling a developing paddler to "let the paddle go where it wants" still results in a pull, and their habit overcomes the natural path of the wing paddle. The first step is to let go of the pull concept and realize the wing wants to travel outward, toward that leading edge. The second step is to realize the surfski stroke is a push, not a pull. And yep, after that, the wing will find its own efficient path. No doubt your succinct explanation will connect with some paddlers and cause that light bulb moment -- thanks for sharing.
@gavingodfreyYTАй бұрын
Tahitian technique never made sense to me until I heard it explained in an Australian accent.
@ThePaddleChannelАй бұрын
Lol, true!
@josuedelucca72522 ай бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to do this test. A key takeaway, is that we need to properly identify our needs, training, and possible improvement curve over time. As said above, matters such as technique and fatigue over distance are important to address Speed on the elite ski isn't free. It needs training and talent, plus a realistic approach to every race and one's personal ability. Thank you 👍
@ThePaddleChannel2 ай бұрын
Very well said -- thank you for sharing!
@paddlingfool642 ай бұрын
Another of your pointless videos.
@ThePaddleChannel2 ай бұрын
Lol, you're always good for a smile. Actually, this topic is far from pointless for many paddlers....the question of advancing to a more "elite" boat is one many developing surfski paddling ask at some point. The video demonstrates our experience that elite isn't always faster for every paddler, and that the more stable platform may be a better choice for some. And that perhaps all paddlers shouldn't feel pressured to "move up" in boats until they're good and ready.
@adamclark81052 ай бұрын
great video!
@ThePaddleChannel2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it -- thank you!
@jrsmith5023 ай бұрын
I busted my v8 pro in 3😢
@ThePaddleChannel2 ай бұрын
Well, now it sounds like you're just one upping us. :) 'Hope you were able to get that repaired -- we were very fortunate that we could get these boats repaired, and they're still getting out on water and doing their thing!
@jrsmith5022 ай бұрын
@@ThePaddleChannel bought v9
@ThePaddleChannel2 ай бұрын
@@jrsmith502 great boat -- we're sure your enjoying it!
@jrsmith5022 ай бұрын
Wish I could add picture here
@getmysurfboard3 ай бұрын
Talking about unscientific tests. I wonder if you placed a long board at the back of two skis and gave them a shove to see which one went faster and further?
@ThePaddleChannel2 ай бұрын
We'll try to work that one into our next test 😂
@GroveAdrian3 ай бұрын
As a Brit who wants to travel abroad to learn to surf ski, where would you recommend? Where are you based?
@ThePaddleChannel3 ай бұрын
We're in the eastern US, but don't offer formal lessons. Check out surfskischool.co.za/ and surfskischool.co.za/surfski-school-international/ -- that's probably where we would start.
@barryblackburn59104 күн бұрын
If I had the money I would go to South Africa and paddle with Dawid Mocke!!
@waverideraus48823 ай бұрын
Not sure you can extrapolate times over distance, as other factors such as fatigue kicks in and the ideal "technique falls off". Additionally the more hydrodynamic boat will be less fatiguing as it will have more "run" Why upgrade, its not just about actual top speed but as barry says, its the challenge, and the lessons learned. You can get stuck with sloppy technique with stable boats, because you get away with it. It can be rewarding, even if it kicks your bum from time to time. oh also ego ..lol
@ThePaddleChannel3 ай бұрын
Agreed, the extrapolation is just an illustration to help us gain context regarding the differences in speed we saw in these few tests. As you say, there are many factors and athlete differences that would affect these projections over the course of an actual race -- and of course, environmental variance would play a significant role. On a rough day, the stable craft may produce a significantly better result, but in flat water, the opposite may be true. Speaking specifically to your example, the more hydrodynamic boat would have more run and would thus be less fatiguing...but if that same boat has less stability, it will eventually become more fatiguing (for some athletes). So many variables...which makes things fun. 'Love the points about why we should upgrade...especially ego (which isn't a bad thing -- there's value in doing something hard and nailing it!). Always great to hear your perspective!
@matthaley7303 ай бұрын
Surprising result! I've been trying to decide whether to race my V9 or V10 G4 at Carolina Cup. My conclusion so far is a) the risk/reward favors the V9, as the V10 will only be a few minutes faster at best, and I'm *very* likely to fall multiple times in it, and b) I'm not going to win Carolina Cup in this lifetime anyway, so I might as well have a dryer and more enjoyable run 😂! I need a lot more ocean time in the V10 to get confident in rough conditions. Nice dolphin footage, btw. See you guys at Carolina Cup next week!
@ThePaddleChannel3 ай бұрын
Looking forward to seeing you next week!
@JamesHunterRoss3 ай бұрын
You are completely right in concluding that the "right" boat depends on you and your paddling intention and goals. I'm using an OC1 (a Kahele) here of Dana Point CA, and it is exactly what I need for fitness, sightseeing, social activity and good fun. For me, anything without an ama would likely take away some of my enjoyment; the OC1 goes fast enough and has stability when it comes time to rest and hang out. When I paddle I see tons of surfskis and tons of OC1s!
@ThePaddleChannel3 ай бұрын
We love the OC1, too!
@williamparsons50443 ай бұрын
If your goal is to become an elite-level paddler and you dedicate the time to do that, I would only have one boat in the garage. If you are a weekend warrior and just in it for exercise and smiles, I would fill the garage with everything shiny that the budget allows. The empirical evidence demonstrated that familiarity and, ultimately, time in the boat determined the speed advantage. As a 105kg person, I hope someday for a boat that carries the waterline of an elite boat yet the width of an intermediate boat. I think for all the BO (Big and Old!) crowd, that would create a great balance between speed and stability.
@ThePaddleChannel3 ай бұрын
Well, maybe one elite boat in the garage....and then a second elite boat in the garage as a back up to the one elite boat...you know, just in case. 😄
@Alastair5103 ай бұрын
Proves the Mocke brothers mantra about 'stable is fast'.
@ThePaddleChannel3 ай бұрын
Lol, we're not sure our tests actually *prove* anything, but yes, that principle is proven true again and again. There are clearly some other conditions at play here, too, since stability wasn't a big factor in these flatwater tests. But definitely, stable is fast.
@jodyodell61593 ай бұрын
I thought about this too. Not just a stabilization factor, but i think were your center of gravity will contributes to the propultion differently with wider boats. For a bigger guy like me that has a lot of weight in upper body and a fat head 😊, my stroke, even of perfect every time, will propel the wider boats more effectively
@jodyodell61593 ай бұрын
Maybe not even its the weight but the length of the should to the water line is the factor that contributes to propulsion differently in wider boats
@ThePaddleChannel3 ай бұрын
We didn't even consider the Fat Head Factor. 🤣 But yes, Jody, you make a good point. Stability wasn't a big (or at least noticeable) factor on test day. Maybe it was geometry, comfort, etc -- more likely, a combination of multiple factors. Hope to paddle with you soon!
@jodyodell61593 ай бұрын
@@ThePaddleChannel all comes to your point, paddle for the love it and find the bpat that works for you.
@jodyodell61593 ай бұрын
First
@rodbrown83063 ай бұрын
Love the forgiving nature of these ski's, have you trailled the new V5, it a lot different than the older model I believe.
@ThePaddleChannel3 ай бұрын
Agreed, it's great that so many of the surfski manufacturers are providing many options for all goals and styles and skill levels these days. We haven't had a chance to try the new V5, but we do hear it's different from old model as well.
@teranhughes773 ай бұрын
Is it really this difficult to surski?
@ThePaddleChannel3 ай бұрын
It is a challenging and very rewarding sport, but Barry started out in an elite level boat, which definitely made it more challenging than a more stable boat would have been. Fortunately, many brands now offer a broad range of surfskis for a variety of skill levels. Most people recommend starting out with a stable boat to learn the basics (even a stable boat may feel tippy if you're accustomed to, say, a canoe or a wide sit on top kayak), but trust the boat and work on good technique, and the reward will be well worth the effort!
@barryblackburn59104 күн бұрын
It is a fun challenge and we love it! Even the falling out and remounting. That’s part of the workout for sure.
@flashinpan4 ай бұрын
Great video. Totally appreciate the effort. I will add one thing though. Not sure where you live, or what year you made this, but I live in California. You're looking at about $60 minimum for supplies.
@ThePaddleChannel4 ай бұрын
Well, you know, the California price conversion must be applied. :) Prices here in coastal North Carolina have increased over the past year, too, but like everywhere, local rates may vary. Thanks for sharing that info!
@tomhollins53034 ай бұрын
I'd suggest: first set you paddle length to get the right angle of entry into the water to suit your body geometry and your boat then choose your blade size to get a comfortable cadence. Split paddles make experimenting with feather easy, personally in a sprint boat I like around 25 degrees but that is just what works for me. Highly recommend checking out paddling technique videos from kayak sprinters and marathon paddlers, they translate well to skis.
@ThePaddleChannel4 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@illinoisenemabandit92095 ай бұрын
Learn to walk before you can run.
@barryblackburn59104 күн бұрын
Yes, my mom said when I was little I started running as soon as I thought I could walk and fell a lot!! Not much has changed 😂😂😂. Hope your paddling is full of stoke and smiles!
@BradStyron6 ай бұрын
Awesome Interview! I am from NC as well! I grew up in Morehead City and moved to Oahu 4 years ago! I'm working with Kai this coming year to produce some videos and I also just got my first Ares! SHOOTS!
@ThePaddleChannel6 ай бұрын
Very cool! We're looking forward to seeing those videos! Congrats on the Ares -- great boat.
@Lehmann1087 ай бұрын
Damn, girl! You said "dadoed" Respect!!!!
@xscale7 ай бұрын
Given there's zero speed difference between a stable beginner ski and a tippy intermediate ski downwind, and only a miniscule difference - tiny fractions of a km/h - on flat water - all this swimming amounts to masochism in my book. Unless you're kinky for racing, you don't need to "progress" to intermediate and elite skis. It will take you years of struggle you could be spending just enjoying the ride instead. By all means learn to improve your stroke - but you don't need any tippy boats to do that. More than that, if you want to learn to surf like Boyan does, you have to do what Boyan does and learn in a stable ski. Get a Nelo 520, a Think Ace/Zen, Epic V8 or Carbonology Cruze and NEVER trade up to any of the skinnier boats. No knock to The Paddle Channel - love you guys - but so people realise there really is a better (easier) way ...
@ThePaddleChannel6 ай бұрын
Valid point of view, thanks for sharing. For us, learning to paddle the more tippy craft is part of the fun (when the water is warm :) ), and having the ability to paddle a wider range of surfskis is a bonus. We've found that paddling the more elite and high end intermediate skis is more enjoyable in most conditions (though Rod finds the intermediate ski more enjoyable on rough days, so that's in agreement with your experience). We have also found that downwind speeds do improve, with a lower heart rate, in more advanced boats, *as long as the paddler is stable*. That's been our experience, but we're in 100% agreement that a paddler could start with one of the boats you listed and stay with it forever, and have a great time without ever trading up. It all depends on the paddler, their goals, personality, conditions, etc. Thanks for sharing your experience -- definitely a point of view paddlers should consider.
@barryblackburn59104 күн бұрын
We have found that in downwind conditions, a wider boat is practically the same speed as a skinny/tippy boat so I would agree with you there. In the flat water, a narrow boat is definitely faster. Different strokes, for different folks right!? Pun intended. Hope your paddling is full of stoke and smiles!!
@simonroberts69287 ай бұрын
Thx very much for the info, & also reassuring to see I’m not the only one still tipping out 😜
@ThePaddleChannel6 ай бұрын
Lol, it's always a possibility. Rod almost took a swim yesterday coming in through the inlet, and Barry rolled over in completely flat water while paddling backwards to clear a rudder a few days ago. We always say you always need to be ready to remount if you're going to paddle a surfski. :)
@72didee8 ай бұрын
All very good tips. Thank you. Helpful comments too. I like that framing of ‘stability on the water’ being different than stability on the ground.
@aqeelaakifshow19038 ай бұрын
Bruh
@edmundopinto61288 ай бұрын
Middle speed?
@nathanbruneau18229 ай бұрын
I know that guy! Hes my friend! Robert Martini! Woot woot
@jeffgerke3239 ай бұрын
Would this ski be ok for someone who is fairly new to Surfski? I paddled a Fenn Bluefin for a couple months then switched to an OC1, Kai Waa Ares. I have paddled the OC1 for the past 6 months but am thinking about going back to a ski. Just wondering if I might need more experience before trying the Vega Flex out.
@ThePaddleChannel9 ай бұрын
It really depends on the individual paddler. If you're okay with falling a fair bit at first and having a craft you can "grow into", the Flex might be okay. If you prefer a more conservative approach, the Flex might be a little "lively" for now. We recommend just being really honest with yourself in thinking about whether you're okay with many remounts in the early stages. Many, many coaches recommend "stability before ability"...we kind of straddle the fence on the issue. It really just depends. 'Wish we had a more definitive answer for you!
@angelamayfield644910 ай бұрын
😅 love OC 101 with April.
@ThePaddleChannel10 ай бұрын
April shares a lot of knowledge!
@tomiday6610 ай бұрын
Surfski. I use a waist belt leash attached to the rear carry handle on my surfski. I am mostly in the surf zone as opposed to down winding. In the surf the leash attached in the bucket tends to turn the boat sideways to the wave when you wipe out. The extra force breaks the leash. Attaching the leash at the rear turns the stern into the wave creating much less tug. My belt has a quick release and I use the strongest leash I can find. I tuck excess length through the belt after I mount the ski so the leash lies on the deck. Have to be careful not to get the leash wrapped around the rudder on remounts. Other than that it is quick and easy with no tangles around your feet and legs. Downwinding you are trying to hold onto your boat against the force of the wind. In the surf, you are working against the breaking wave. Big difference. Still, I shy away from mid mounted thin coil leashes even in the mildest conditions. Hola from So Cal and Baja!
@ThePaddleChannel10 ай бұрын
Thank for sharing that -- good info!
@IamNothing8210 ай бұрын
The v11 is 43 centimeters not 33. 33 is the depth...
@ThePaddleChannel10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the correction!
@chenkarp10 ай бұрын
Good stuff
@markgibbons126111 ай бұрын
Hi Rob, great review, a question. You say at the end it may not be for racing, can I ask why you say that. I’m considering a Flex for DW racing as where I live we get a lot of cross winds and chop so the added stability would probably keep me on the power more. Does it feel slow, let’s say compared to a V10 V12? Appreciate the advice
@ThePaddleChannel10 ай бұрын
Hey Mark, Rod here. Sorry I missed your comment earlier. I should clarify --- the Flex might not be someone's first choice for flatwater racing (though it's definitely no slouch). But for downwind racing, I would turn to the Flex every time, personally. I don't have enough experience in the V10 or V12 to really compare, but I wouldn't hesitate to race my Flex downwind on any day. Let us know what you decide!
@markgibbons126110 ай бұрын
@@ThePaddleChannel thanks for a great reply!!! Look forward to more videos